Re: Autoinsert two siblings under a parent

[Fred Wersan]

You can't do this elegantly, that is, in the EDD. But, you could script 
it with Framescript, or even a basic windows scripting tool, like 
AutoIt. Anything that you can do from the keyboard, you can script.

Fred
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RE: Replace a para tag throughout book?

[Kelly McDaniel]

That's what I do...Kelly.

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Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:51 AM
To: Fred Ridder; Framers
Subject: Re: Replace a para tag throughout book?

Good point Fred.

But you could take a dummy file which only has the new par tag (and no 
other par tags) and import the par tags from that file to all the files 
in the book. Then do the search and replace.

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Fred Ridder wrote:
 Responding to Diane Gaskill's question about a method of 

 propagating a new paragraph format across a book, Art 

 Campbell wrote:


   
 Yup. Just set book to the apply range and you should be all set.
 

   
 Remember that it won't remove the old tag, but the new one should be
 

   
 in place.
 

  

   
 Can this method be used to globally rename a tag across a set of
book files?
   

  

   
 Or, create one of your Callout_Large paras, then Copy Special 
 

   
 Paragraph Format.
 

   
 In the Find dialog box, specify the book range, search for
 

   
 Callout_Regular, and replace by pasting.
 

  

 Note that while this technique does paste the new tag name and

 its format properties into each file where it makes a replacement,

 it does *not* add it to the Paragraph Catalog, so that it will show

 up as an override (asterisked) in all files except the one where you

 originally applied it. And also note that it will not add the new 

 tag name and formatting at all to any file where the old tag was 

 not actually applied to a paragraph in the document, so the new

 tag may or may not be ubiquitous after using this technique. 

  

 So while this approach may be a quick and dirty alternative to using

 a script or a plug-in to do the tag renaming/replacement, you may

 ultimately find it to be a little too far on the dirty side and not as


 quick as it first seems.

  

 -Fred Ridder

  

  

  

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Mouse-scrolling solutions

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, all. I've been googling ways to get my mouse to scroll, and I see 
several. I don't want to screw up my system, so I thought I'd ask, which 
solution did you use that was easy and successful? I'm using Framemaker 
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Re: Mouse-scrolling solutions

[Art Campbell]

Freewheel.

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html

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 solution did you use that was easy and successful? I'm using Framemaker
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Re: Quick Access Bar Menu Help

[theboggette]

SOLVED!  Thank you all who responded.

--- On Thu, 2/19/09, theboggette thebogge...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: theboggette thebogge...@yahoo.com
Subject: Quick Access Bar Menu Help
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 10:48 AM







I mistakenly moved the Quick Access Bar with my mouse.  Now I can't get it to 
move back up.  It now sets apart like the catalog and is in the way.  I've 
reviewed the Customizing Frame Products document, but can't seem to figure out 
how to move this back.  I'd have thought dragging it back would work, but it 
doesn't.  I'm also not able to resize it.  I'm in Frame 8.
 
Help?
 
Trish



  
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RE: Autoinsert two siblings under a parent

[Cole, Gary E]

Yves, for FM 7.1 you can only AutoInsert one element at a given level of
the structure. You can AutoInsert multiple children but each will be a
child of the previous auto inserted child.


Gary

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Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:27 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Autoinsert two siblings under a parent

Hi Structured FM experts

Does anyone know whether there is a way to autoinsert two siblings under
a parent?

I have got a menucascade element which needs two uicontrol child
elements. I was wondering whether I can have these two uicontrols
automatically inserted as child elements whenever I insert a
menucascade.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Replace a para tag throughout book?

[meg miranda]

Another way to replace a para tag throughout a book involves using mif files 
and maybe some scripting.

1. Make mif versions of all your book files.
2. Identify the para tag string text that you want to replace. For ex. 
'Heading2'.
3. Identify the para tag string you want to replace it with. For ex. 'Heading1'.
4. Either write a script to iterate through the files and replace the para or 
open each mif file in a text editor (not frame) and do a search/replace.

I've been writing/formatting web services operations lately, and this sort of 
trick has saved me countless hours.

If you have access to WebWorks 2003, UNIX, and perl, I can help with more 
details on efficiently doing this sort of change for a doc set.

cheers,
Meg


  
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Re: Mouse-scrolling solutions

[Nancy Allison]

  Gawd, you guys are the BEST! All fixed! (I used Freewheel. Took maybe 
30 seconds tops.)

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Art Campbell wrote:

 Freewheel.

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html 
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html   
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html
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FrameMaker index question

[Shmuel Wolfson]

When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked.
Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked.
Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this?

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Re: FrameMaker index question

[Art Campbell]

Shmuel,

This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because
this type of link would only work if the index string is only used
once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or
more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does
the link from the term go?

If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a
hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is
used.

Art

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 When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked.
 Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked.
 Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this?

 --
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 Technical Writer
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Re: FrameMaker index question

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Good point.

In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an 
index consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be 
preferable to have the function name hyperlinked as well.

Is there any automatic way of doing this?

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Technical Writer
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Art Campbell wrote:
 Shmuel,

 This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because
 this type of link would only work if the index string is only used
 once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or
 more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does
 the link from the term go?

 If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a
 hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is
 used.

 Art

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 When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked.
 Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked.
 Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this?

 --
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133

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RE: FrameMaker index question

[Combs, Richard]

Shmuel Wolfson wrote: 
 
 In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an
 index consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be
 preferable to have the function name hyperlinked as well.
 
 Is there any automatic way of doing this?

Yes. Don't make an index, make an alphabetical list instead. 

If the function names always appear by themselves in heading pgfs: 

1) Go to Add  List Of  Paragraphs (Alphabetical).

2) In the dialog, move the pgf tag that contains the function names to
the Include list, make sure Create Hypertext Links is checked, and click
Add. 

If the function names don't appear in headings, you can still get there,
albeit with more work, by inserting custom markers and creating a List
of Markers (Alphabetical). 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: FrameMaker index question

[Art Campbell]

If you have to deliver it in an Index, no, I don't think there is.

If you have the freedom to generate the other kind of front/rear
matter list, like a TOC but a List of Functions, that would be both a
better solution for your readers and easier to implement.

You could try generating a list of functions and then integrating  /
alphabetizing it into the existing Index. Might be something a
framescript could do...

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 Good point.

 In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an index
 consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be preferable to
 have the function name hyperlinked as well.

 Is there any automatic way of doing this?

 --
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133


 Art Campbell wrote:

 Shmuel,

 This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because
 this type of link would only work if the index string is only used
 once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or
 more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does
 the link from the term go?

 If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a
 hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is
 used.

 Art

 Art Campbell
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  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



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 wrote:


 When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked.
 Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked.
 Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this?

 --
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133

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Re: FrameMaker index question

[Shlomo Perets]

Shmuel,

You wrote:

  When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked.
  Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked.
  Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this?

If there is no character formatting present in the index, differentiating 
the page number from the index term, the hypertext marker present in front 
of the first page number extends its active area on both sides of the 
marker: to the beginning of the paragraph (including the index term), and 
to the end of the paragraph or the beginning of the next hypertext marker 
(when there are two entries). The link defined for the index term is the 
same as the first entry.

Character formatting present in the reference page (IX flow) or in the 
index entries themselves (through the source marker) will interfere with 
this default behavior and will limit the active area to the page number only.


Shlomo Perets

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RE: FrameMaker index question

[Combs, Richard]

Shlomo Perets wrote: 
 
 If there is no character formatting present in the index,
differentiating
 the page number from the index term, the hypertext marker present in
front
 of the first page number extends its active area on both sides of the
 marker: to the beginning of the paragraph (including the index term),
and
 to the end of the paragraph or the beginning of the next hypertext
marker
 (when there are two entries). The link defined for the index term is
the
 same as the first entry.

Well, I'm reluctant to contradict someone of Shlomo's stature, but index
entries don't follow the standard hypertext behavior as he described it.
The index term is never part of the active area. 

I can't fully explain this, but I'm sure the behavior is deliberate. I
suspect it derives from this fact: In your index doc, each index entry
is a single pgf (e.g., Level1IX), but in the reference page spec, the
page number portion is defined as a separate pgf, IndexIX. 

Behind the curtain, I suspect the active area is initially limited to
the IndexIX pgf boundaries, and it retains that limit when IndexIX is
merged into the LevelxIX pgf containing the index term. 

Richard


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RE: FrameMaker index question

[Shlomo Perets]

Richard,

You wrote:

Well, I'm reluctant to contradict someone of Shlomo's stature, but index
entries don't follow the standard hypertext behavior as he described it.
The index term is never part of the active area.

Thanks for the compliment.

If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the 
samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation folder), and 
inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that the 
index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as single 
links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers had 
a different character format, this would have interfered with the link 
extending to include the term.


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RE: Mouse-scrolling solutions

[Syed.Hosain]

The Microsoft mouse drivers (built into the Intellipoint stuff) from
version 6.0 onwards - currently at version 6.3 - worked very well for me
for the scroll wheel support inside FrameMaker.

With FrameMaker 7.2 and 8.0. on Windows XP SP2, SP3 and I am now on
Windows Vista.

I was going to test FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 beta next week - will
check mouse scrolling there.

Z

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Hi, all. I've been googling ways to get my mouse to scroll, and I see 
several. I don't want to screw up my system, so I thought I'd ask, which

solution did you use that was easy and successful? I'm using Framemaker 
7.1b023 on Windows XP SP3.

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Aligning Autonumbers

[Jack DeLand]

This one is a little odd. I'm trying to match a graphic artist's iodea 
of what our numbering should look like.  It goes in outline still from n 
to n.n to n.n.n, like
9
9.9
9.9.9
but he wants it to align on the right, not the left.  I can sort of 
kluge it with spaces in text, but not so in the TOC. I'm thinking a tab 
should be used, but where and how would it be inserted?
Thanks in advance.
FM 8 on Vista.

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Re: Aligning Autonumbers

[Art Campbell]

Although I think it's kind of a bass-ackward design, you can do it
with a right, or maybe a decimal, tab in the Heading1TOC (and other)
tags. Just set it to the correct indent location in the tag and in the
correct position in the Autonumbering stream, save, then insert a tab
stop into the correct location of each level on the TOC's Reference
Page so they'll be inserted automatically.


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On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Jack DeLand jdela...@comcast.net wrote:
 This one is a little odd. I'm trying to match a graphic artist's iodea
 of what our numbering should look like.  It goes in outline still from n
 to n.n to n.n.n, like
 9
 9.9
 9.9.9
 but he wants it to align on the right, not the left.  I can sort of
 kluge it with spaces in text, but not so in the TOC. I'm thinking a tab
 should be used, but where and how would it be inserted?
 Thanks in advance.
 FM 8 on Vista.

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Re: Aligning Autonumbers

[Alan Litchfield]

Like Art said, pretty strange way to do it, but that's what graphic designers
are for right ;)

I would handle it this way:
1. Create the auto-number sequence but put a tab symbol after it and in the
Basic Paragraph settings put in a right aligned tab. When the numbers are
created they should all line up against the right aligned tab marker.
2. Then you can put in another tab symbol (left aligned) for the paragraph
starting point and in the Basic Paragraph settings have a second tab.
3. Set the Left Indent to the second tab setting.

A:n.n.n.n+\t\t

Cheers
Alan

Jack DeLand wrote:
 This one is a little odd. I'm trying to match a graphic artist's iodea
 of what our numbering should look like.  It goes in outline still from n
 to n.n to n.n.n, like
 9
 9.9
 9.9.9
 but he wants it to align on the right, not the left.  I can sort of
 kluge it with spaces in text, but not so in the TOC. I'm thinking a tab
 should be used, but where and how would it be inserted?
 Thanks in advance.
 FM 8 on Vista.

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RE: FrameMaker index question

[Combs, Richard]

Shlomo Perets wrote:
 
 If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the
 samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation
folder), and
 inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that
the
 index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as
single
 links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers
had
 a different character format, this would have interfered with the link
 extending to include the term.

I should have known Shlomo was correct, and I apologize for doubting
him. It took me a while to figure out why my experience was different. 

I knew there was no char format applied anywhere in my index entries or
in the ref page index spec. And before posting, I confirmed that my
Level1IX and IndexIX pgf formats had the same Default Font settings. 

So why does the active area in my indexes not extend to the left of the
page number? 

Um, well ... because the SeparatorsIX pgf has different Default Font
settings. And as a consequence, the space before the page number has a
different font, terminating the active area. 

The origin of this SeparatorsIX pgf format are lost in the mists of
time. This is the behavior I've seen for as long as I can remember, and
I assumed it was just The Way Things Worked. 

In the immortal words of Emily Littela, Oh. That's different. Never
mind! 

(Sorry, Shlomo!)

Richard


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RE: Aligning Autonumbers

[Combs, Richard]

Alan Litchfield wrote:

 Like Art said, pretty strange way to do it, but that's what graphic
 designers
 are for right ;)

Actually, right-aligning numbers of varying lengths isn't that strange.
It gives you a consistent amount of space between the number and the
following text, regardless of the length of the number. It looks best,
IMHO, if you set up the pgfs so that the numbers are outdented. 
 
 I would handle it this way:
 1. Create the auto-number sequence but put a tab symbol after it and
in the
 Basic Paragraph settings put in a right aligned tab. When the numbers
are
 created they should all line up against the right aligned tab marker.
 2. Then you can put in another tab symbol (left aligned) for the
paragraph
 starting point and in the Basic Paragraph settings have a second tab.
 3. Set the Left Indent to the second tab setting.
 
 A:n.n.n.n+\t\t

Almost right. But the first tab has to come _before_ the number or it
won't have any effect on the number. Something like this: 

A:\tn.n.n.n+\t 

For the pgf formats, figure out how much space the biggest number you'll
ever need requires, and define the right tab a bit further right than
that. Then define a left tab (and the left indent of your pgf) maybe 0.2
or 0.25 to the right of the right tab. 

If you have a side head area, you can set up the numbered pgfs to span
the side head. Then set your tabs and indents to align the number to the
right edge of the side head and the text to the left edge of the text
column. Looks pretty good, if you ask me. 

For the TOC pgfs, you need a similar right-tab-followed-by-left-tab
setup. Then in the reference page TOC spec, set up the relevant entries
something like this: 

\t$paranum\t$paratext\t$pagenum

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Aligning Autonumbers

[Alan Litchfield]

Good stuff, thanks Richard :)



Combs, Richard wrote:
 Almost right. But the first tab has to come _before_ the number or it
 won't have any effect on the number. Something like this:

 A:\tn.n.n.n+\t

That was what I meant ;)



 For the pgf formats, figure out how much space the biggest number you'll
 ever need requires, and define the right tab a bit further right than
 that. Then define a left tab (and the left indent of your pgf) maybe 0.2
 or 0.25 to the right of the right tab.

 If you have a side head area, you can set up the numbered pgfs to span
 the side head. Then set your tabs and indents to align the number to the
 right edge of the side head and the text to the left edge of the text
 column. Looks pretty good, if you ask me.

 For the TOC pgfs, you need a similar right-tab-followed-by-left-tab
 setup. Then in the reference page TOC spec, set up the relevant entries
 something like this:

 \t$paranum\t$paratext\t$pagenum

Of course, good point. I wonder, had the designer included the ToC?

Cheers
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Re: Replace a para tag throughout book?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:43:07 -0800 (PST), meg miranda 
megmira...@yahoo.com wrote:

If you have access to WebWorks 2003, UNIX, and perl, I can 
help with more details on efficiently doing this sort of 
change for a doc set.

Yes, this is a good approach.  But you don't need WebWorks to
get MIF for all the files in your book, including the .book
file itself.  You can do it with the *demo* version of Mif2Go,
no need to purchase.  Just set up a project with MIF as the
output format.  For MIF, the demo and registered versions
are entirely identical.

One nice feature of Mif2Go's method is that you can save
the files as MIF in a different directory, but keep the
extensions of the Frame binary files, .fm and .book.  In
addition, this does *not* alter the relative paths.  Why?
Because that way when your script is done, you can just 
drop the altered MIF files back into the original dir,
and they Just Work.  (We did this originally to allow use
of CVS to store MIF files, so diff would work on them,
and provide for easy restore.)  This saves you the extra 
step of resaving them as Frame binary at the end; as soon
as you edit one, Frame will save it in binary automatically.

The free unlimited demo version of Mif2Go is available at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
You might want to wait until tomorrow; we're putting
a new upgrade (53) on the site later tonight.  ;-)

HTH!

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Re: Aligning Autonumbers

[Jack DeLand]

Thanks to all for your help.  I am translating the German specs from the 
graphic designer, and yes, he did come up with that TOC design by 
himself. 100 bucks says he never used FM. They are big on 
Interleaf/Quicksilver.

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Transparency in graphics?

[Amy Vogt]

Hi, all,
Does anyone have any work-arounds/plug-ins for maintaining transparency
in imported graphics in FM8? 
Is there any hope for this or other improved graphics functions in FM9?
 
Thanks-
 
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RE: FrameMaker index question

[Van Boening, Tammy]

Don't feel bad Richard. I am right there with you!!

Thanks Shlomo - after all these years, duh! Learned something new and
learned it the right way.

sigh It's only Monday, right? /sigh

Tammy Van Boening
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Charter University
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Richard
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:00 PM
To: Shlomo Perets; fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker index question

Shlomo Perets wrote:
 
 If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the
 samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation
folder), and
 inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that
the
 index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as
single
 links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers
had
 a different character format, this would have interfered with the link
 extending to include the term.

I should have known Shlomo was correct, and I apologize for doubting
him. It took me a while to figure out why my experience was different. 

I knew there was no char format applied anywhere in my index entries or
in the ref page index spec. And before posting, I confirmed that my
Level1IX and IndexIX pgf formats had the same Default Font settings. 

So why does the active area in my indexes not extend to the left of the
page number? 

Um, well ... because the SeparatorsIX pgf has different Default Font
settings. And as a consequence, the space before the page number has a
different font, terminating the active area. 

The origin of this SeparatorsIX pgf format are lost in the mists of
time. This is the behavior I've seen for as long as I can remember, and
I assumed it was just The Way Things Worked. 

In the immortal words of Emily Littela, Oh. That's different. Never
mind! 

(Sorry, Shlomo!)

Richard


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Numbering question

[Angela Provan]

Hi All,

I have a quick question about simple numbering options. I am creating a doco
with numbered paragraphs i.e.

2
2.1
2.1.1

2.2
2.2.1

I have set these as heading 1, heading 2 and heading 3 but having difficulty
with the numbering.
I'm still new to FM and therefore fumbling my way through it so any help
would be greatly appreciated!

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Autoinsert two siblings under a parent

[Fred Wersan]

You can't do this elegantly, that is, in the EDD. But, you could script 
it with Framescript, or even a basic windows scripting tool, like 
AutoIt. Anything that you can do from the keyboard, you can script.

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Replace a para tag throughout book?

[Kelly McDaniel]

That's what I do...Kelly.

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
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Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:51 AM
To: Fred Ridder; Framers
Subject: Re: Replace a para tag throughout book?

Good point Fred.

But you could take a dummy file which only has the new par tag (and no 
other par tags) and import the par tags from that file to all the files 
in the book. Then do the search and replace.

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Technical Writer
052-763-7133

Fred Ridder wrote:
> Responding to Diane Gaskill's question about a method of 
>
> propagating a new paragraph format across a book, Art 
>
> Campbell wrote:
>
>
>   
>> Yup. Just set "book" to the apply range and you should be all set.
>> 
>
>   
>> Remember that it won't remove the old tag, but the new one should be
>> 
>
>   
>> in place.
>> 
>
>  
>
>   
>>> Can this method be used to globally rename a tag across a set of
book files?
>>>   
>
>  
>
>   
 Or, create one of your Callout_Large paras, then Copy Special 
 
>
>   
 Paragraph Format.
 
>
>   
 In the Find dialog box, specify the book range, search for
 
>
>   
 Callout_Regular, and replace by pasting.
 
>
>  
>
> Note that while this technique does paste the new tag name and
>
> its format properties into each file where it makes a replacement,
>
> it does *not* add it to the Paragraph Catalog, so that it will show
>
> up as an override (asterisked) in all files except the one where you
>
> originally applied it. And also note that it will not add the new 
>
> tag name and formatting at all to any file where the old tag was 
>
> not actually applied to a paragraph in the document, so the new
>
> tag may or may not be ubiquitous after using this technique. 
>
>  
>
> So while this approach may be a quick and dirty alternative to using
>
> a script or a plug-in to do the tag renaming/replacement, you may
>
> ultimately find it to be a little too far on the dirty side and not as

>
> quick as it first seems.
>
>  
>
> -Fred Ridder
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Mouse-scrolling solutions

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, all. I've been googling ways to get my mouse to scroll, and I see 
several. I don't want to screw up my system, so I thought I'd ask, which 
solution did you use that was easy and successful? I'm using Framemaker 
7.1b023 on Windows XP SP3.

Thankee.

Mouse-scrolling solutions

[Art Campbell]

Freewheel.

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html

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> several. I don't want to screw up my system, so I thought I'd ask, which
> solution did you use that was easy and successful? I'm using Framemaker
> 7.1b023 on Windows XP SP3.
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Mouse-scrolling solutions

[Nancy Allison]

  Gawd, you guys are the BEST! All fixed! (I used Freewheel. Took maybe 
30 seconds tops.)

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Art Campbell wrote:

> Freewheel.

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html 
 ? 

FrameMaker index question

[Shmuel Wolfson]

When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked.
Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked.
Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this?

-- 
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Technical Writer
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FrameMaker index question

[Art Campbell]

Shmuel,

This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because
this type of link would only work if the index string is only used
once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or
more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does
the link from the term go?

If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a
hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is
used.

Art

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> Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked.
> Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this?
>
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FrameMaker index question

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Good point.

In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an 
index consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be 
preferable to have the function name hyperlinked as well.

Is there any automatic way of doing this?

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Art Campbell wrote:
> Shmuel,
>
> This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because
> this type of link would only work if the index string is only used
> once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or
> more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does
> the link from the term go?
>
> If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a
> hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is
> used.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>art.campbell at gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>   No disclaimers apply.
>DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shmuel Wolfson  
> wrote:
>   
>> When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked.
>> Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked.
>> Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
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>> Technical Writer
>> 052-763-7133
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FrameMaker index question

[Combs, Richard]

Shmuel Wolfson wrote: 

> In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an
> index consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be
> preferable to have the function name hyperlinked as well.
> 
> Is there any automatic way of doing this?

Yes. Don't make an index, make an alphabetical list instead. 

If the function names always appear by themselves in heading pgfs: 

1) Go to Add > List Of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical).

2) In the dialog, move the pgf tag that contains the function names to
the Include list, make sure Create Hypertext Links is checked, and click
Add. 

If the function names don't appear in headings, you can still get there,
albeit with more work, by inserting custom markers and creating a List
of Markers (Alphabetical). 

HTH!
Richard


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FrameMaker index question

[Art Campbell]

If you have to deliver it in an Index, no, I don't think there is.

If you have the freedom to generate the other kind of front/rear
matter list, like a TOC but a List of Functions, that would be both a
better solution for your readers and easier to implement.

You could try generating a list of functions and then integrating  /
alphabetizing it into the existing Index. Might be something a
framescript could do...

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
> Good point.
>
> In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an index
> consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be preferable to
> have the function name hyperlinked as well.
>
> Is there any automatic way of doing this?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Shmuel,
>>
>> This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because
>> this type of link would only work if the index string is only used
>> once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or
>> more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does
>> the link from the term go?
>>
>> If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a
>> hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is
>> used.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>  No disclaimers apply.
>>   DoD 358
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shmuel Wolfson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked.
>>> Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked.
>>> Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Shmuel Wolfson
>>> Technical Writer
>>> 052-763-7133
>>>
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FrameMaker index question

[Shlomo Perets]

Shmuel,

You wrote:

 > When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked.
 > Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked.
 > Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this?

If there is no character formatting present in the index, differentiating 
the page number from the index term, the hypertext marker present in front 
of the first page number extends its active area on both sides of the 
marker: to the beginning of the paragraph (including the index term), and 
to the end of the paragraph or the beginning of the next hypertext marker 
(when there are two entries). The link defined for the index term is the 
same as the first entry.

Character formatting present in the reference page (IX flow) or in the 
index entries themselves (through the source marker) will interfere with 
this default behavior and will limit the active area to the page number only.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers/Assistants 

FrameMaker index question

[Combs, Richard]

Shlomo Perets wrote: 

> If there is no character formatting present in the index,
differentiating
> the page number from the index term, the hypertext marker present in
front
> of the first page number extends its active area on both sides of the
> marker: to the beginning of the paragraph (including the index term),
and
> to the end of the paragraph or the beginning of the next hypertext
marker
> (when there are two entries). The link defined for the index term is
the
> same as the first entry.

Well, I'm reluctant to contradict someone of Shlomo's stature, but index
entries don't follow the standard hypertext behavior as he described it.
The index term is never part of the active area. 

I can't fully explain this, but I'm sure the behavior is deliberate. I
suspect it derives from this fact: In your index doc, each index entry
is a single pgf (e.g., Level1IX), but in the reference page spec, the
page number portion is defined as a separate pgf, IndexIX. 

Behind the curtain, I suspect the active area is initially limited to
the IndexIX pgf boundaries, and it retains that limit when IndexIX is
merged into the LevelxIX pgf containing the index term. 

Richard


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FrameMaker index question

[Shlomo Perets]

Richard,

You wrote:

>Well, I'm reluctant to contradict someone of Shlomo's stature, but index
>entries don't follow the standard hypertext behavior as he described it.
>The index term is never part of the active area.

Thanks for the compliment.

If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the 
samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation folder), and 
inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that the 
index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as single 
links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers had 
a different character format, this would have interfered with the link 
extending to include the term.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
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Mouse-scrolling solutions

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

The Microsoft mouse drivers (built into the Intellipoint stuff) from
version 6.0 onwards - currently at version 6.3 - worked very well for me
for the scroll wheel support inside FrameMaker.

With FrameMaker 7.2 and 8.0. on Windows XP SP2, SP3 and I am now on
Windows Vista.

I was going to test FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 beta next week - will
check mouse scrolling there.

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:38 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Mouse-scrolling solutions


Hi, all. I've been googling ways to get my mouse to scroll, and I see 
several. I don't want to screw up my system, so I thought I'd ask, which

solution did you use that was easy and successful? I'm using Framemaker 
7.1b023 on Windows XP SP3.

Thankee.

Aligning Autonumbers

[Jack DeLand]

This one is a little odd. I'm trying to match a graphic artist's iodea 
of what our numbering should look like.  It goes in outline still from n 
to n.n to n.n.n, like
9
9.9
9.9.9
but he wants it to align on the right, not the left.  I can sort of 
kluge it with spaces in text, but not so in the TOC. I'm thinking a tab 
should be used, but where and how would it be inserted?
Thanks in advance.
FM 8 on Vista.

-- 
Jack DeLand :: member, information architecture institute :: 248.252.2200 :: 
www.jackdeland.com

Aligning Autonumbers

[Art Campbell]

Although I think it's kind of a bass-ackward design, you can do it
with a right, or maybe a decimal, tab in the Heading1TOC (and other)
tags. Just set it to the correct indent location in the tag and in the
correct position in the Autonumbering stream, save, then insert a tab
stop into the correct location of each level on the TOC's Reference
Page so they'll be inserted automatically.


Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Jack DeLand  wrote:
> This one is a little odd. I'm trying to match a graphic artist's iodea
> of what our numbering should look like.  It goes in outline still from n
> to n.n to n.n.n, like
> 9
> 9.9
> 9.9.9
> but he wants it to align on the right, not the left.  I can sort of
> kluge it with spaces in text, but not so in the TOC. I'm thinking a tab
> should be used, but where and how would it be inserted?
> Thanks in advance.
> FM 8 on Vista.
>
> --
> Jack DeLand :: member, information architecture institute :: 248.252.2200 :: 
> www.jackdeland.com
>
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FrameMaker index question

[Combs, Richard]

Shlomo Perets wrote:

> If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the
> samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation
folder), and
> inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that
the
> index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as
single
> links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers
had
> a different character format, this would have interfered with the link
> extending to include the term.

I should have known Shlomo was correct, and I apologize for doubting
him. It took me a while to figure out why my experience was different. 

I knew there was no char format applied anywhere in my index entries or
in the ref page index spec. And before posting, I confirmed that my
Level1IX and IndexIX pgf formats had the same Default Font settings. 

So why does the active area in my indexes not extend to the left of the
page number? 

Um, well ... because the SeparatorsIX pgf has different Default Font
settings. And as a consequence, the space before the page number has a
different font, terminating the active area. 

The origin of this SeparatorsIX pgf format are lost in the mists of
time. This is the behavior I've seen for as long as I can remember, and
I assumed it was just The Way Things Worked. 

In the immortal words of Emily Littela, "Oh. That's different. Never
mind!" 

(Sorry, Shlomo!)

Richard


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Polycom, Inc.
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303-223-5111
--
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Aligning Autonumbers

[Combs, Richard]

Alan Litchfield wrote:

> Like Art said, pretty strange way to do it, but that's what graphic
> designers
> are for right ;)

Actually, right-aligning numbers of varying lengths isn't that strange.
It gives you a consistent amount of space between the number and the
following text, regardless of the length of the number. It looks best,
IMHO, if you set up the pgfs so that the numbers are outdented. 

> I would handle it this way:
> 1. Create the auto-number sequence but put a tab symbol after it and
in the
> Basic Paragraph settings put in a right aligned tab. When the numbers
are
> created they should all line up against the right aligned tab marker.
> 2. Then you can put in another tab symbol (left aligned) for the
paragraph
> starting point and in the Basic Paragraph settings have a second tab.
> 3. Set the Left Indent to the second tab setting.
> 
> A:n.n.n.n+\t\t

Almost right. But the first tab has to come _before_ the number or it
won't have any effect on the number. Something like this: 

A:\t...\t 

For the pgf formats, figure out how much space the biggest number you'll
ever need requires, and define the right tab a bit further right than
that. Then define a left tab (and the left indent of your pgf) maybe 0.2
or 0.25 to the right of the right tab. 

If you have a side head area, you can set up the numbered pgfs to span
the side head. Then set your tabs and indents to align the number to the
right edge of the side head and the text to the left edge of the text
column. Looks pretty good, if you ask me. 

For the TOC pgfs, you need a similar right-tab-followed-by-left-tab
setup. Then in the reference page TOC spec, set up the relevant entries
something like this: 

\t<$paranum>\t<$paratext>\t<$pagenum>

HTH!
Richard


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Polycom, Inc.
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Replace a para tag throughout book?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:43:07 -0800 (PST), meg miranda 
 wrote:

>If you have access to WebWorks 2003, UNIX, and perl, I can 
>help with more details on efficiently doing this sort of 
>change for a doc set.

Yes, this is a good approach.  But you don't need WebWorks to
get MIF for all the files in your book, including the .book
file itself.  You can do it with the *demo* version of Mif2Go,
no need to purchase.  Just set up a project with MIF as the
output format.  For MIF, the demo and registered versions
are entirely identical.

One nice feature of Mif2Go's method is that you can save
the files as MIF in a different directory, but keep the
extensions of the Frame binary files, .fm and .book.  In
addition, this does *not* alter the relative paths.  Why?
Because that way when your script is done, you can just 
drop the altered MIF files back into the original dir,
and they Just Work.  (We did this originally to allow use
of CVS to store MIF files, so diff would work on them,
and provide for easy restore.)  This saves you the extra 
step of resaving them as Frame binary at the end; as soon
as you edit one, Frame will save it in binary automatically.

The free unlimited demo version of Mif2Go is available at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
You might want to wait until tomorrow; we're putting
a new upgrade (53) on the site later tonight.  ;-)

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Aligning Autonumbers

[Jack DeLand]

Thanks to all for your help.  I am translating the German specs from the 
graphic designer, and yes, he did come up with that TOC design by 
himself. 100 bucks says he never used FM. They are big on 
Interleaf/Quicksilver.

-- 
Jack DeLand :: member, information architecture institute :: 734.629.7890 :: 
www.jackdeland.com

Transparency in graphics?

[Amy Vogt]

Hi, all,
Does anyone have any work-arounds/plug-ins for maintaining transparency
in imported graphics in FM8? 
Is there any hope for this or other improved graphics functions in FM9?

Thanks-

Amy Vogt
PPI Technical Communications
440-498-8529

FrameMaker index question

[Van Boening, Tammy]

Don't feel bad Richard. I am right there with you!!

Thanks Shlomo - after all these years, duh! Learned something new and
learned it the right way.

 It's only Monday, right? 

Tammy Van Boening
Curriculum Developer 
Charter University
Charter Communications, Inc.
tammy.vanboening at chartercom.com

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs,
Richard
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:00 PM
To: Shlomo Perets; Framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker index question

Shlomo Perets wrote:

> If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the
> samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation
folder), and
> inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that
the
> index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as
single
> links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers
had
> a different character format, this would have interfered with the link
> extending to include the term.

I should have known Shlomo was correct, and I apologize for doubting
him. It took me a while to figure out why my experience was different. 

I knew there was no char format applied anywhere in my index entries or
in the ref page index spec. And before posting, I confirmed that my
Level1IX and IndexIX pgf formats had the same Default Font settings. 

So why does the active area in my indexes not extend to the left of the
page number? 

Um, well ... because the SeparatorsIX pgf has different Default Font
settings. And as a consequence, the space before the page number has a
different font, terminating the active area. 

The origin of this SeparatorsIX pgf format are lost in the mists of
time. This is the behavior I've seen for as long as I can remember, and
I assumed it was just The Way Things Worked. 

In the immortal words of Emily Littela, "Oh. That's different. Never
mind!" 

(Sorry, Shlomo!)

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
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