Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

Is EPS required for any reason other than exporting for placement in FrameMaker?

If there's no other reason you need EPS, you don't need to worry about
whether the drawing application can edit EPS files. In fact, you could
probably forget about EPS entirely, and export PDF or EMF to place in
FrameMaker.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Tammy Van Boening
 wrote:
> Thank you everyone. This list is invaluable. OK, I understand all the ins
> and outs of the difference apps., and stuff about the subscription vs.
> perpetual licenses, so I have what I need for now. I am sure that I will
> have a few more questions later on today as I try to wrap up this process.
>
> Thank you everyone again.
>
> TVB
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Carol J. Elkins [mailto:celk...@awrittenword.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:38 AM
> To: Tammy Van Boening; 'Framers List'
> Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question
>
> Tammy, Photoshop really isn't set up to handle vector graphics, such as line
> drawings. But it can handle and output photos and screen captures. I use
> both but prefer Illustrator. Illustrator's native .ai format is the same as
> .eps. I import .ai photos by reference into Framemaker and it works
> seamlessly.
>
> Carol
>
> At 07:36 AM 9/7/2016, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
>>I know
>>that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
>>advantage/disadvantage of one over the other?
>
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

Xara may have issues with EPS.

http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?66467-EPS-in-Designer-Pro-X9

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
 wrote:
> I highly recommend the Xara products. I use their image editing and video 
> products with good results. I switched to their perpetual  licensed tools 
> when Adobe went cloud licensed based.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

I highly recommend the Xara products. I use their image editing and video 
products with good results. I switched to their perpetual  licensed tools when 
Adobe went cloud licensed based.

Z

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On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 9:05 AM -0700, "Shmuel Wolfson" 
mailto:shmue...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Inkscape is free vector-based drawing program that can save as EPS.
https://inkscape.org/en/
Xara is a cheap vector-based drawing program that can save as EPS.
http://www.xara.com/eu/photo-graphic-designer/features/

--
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Technical Writer
058-763-7133


On 07-Sep-16 4:36 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
> just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
> requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
> start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
> that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
> advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
> work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
> leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
> this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
> license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
> tools?
>
> Thanks!
>
> TVB
>
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

I don't know about Illustrator, but Photoshop CS 6 was the last one before 
Creative Cloud, as I recall.

Z

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On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 7:10 AM -0700, "Tammy Van Boening" 
mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com>> wrote:

What were the last versions of Photoshop and AI that were sold with a
perpetual license before they got sucked up into this subscription mode as
part of CS?

Thank you!

TVB


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From: Framers
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On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:36 AM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

Hi All,

I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
tools?

Thanks!

TVB

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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

Creative Suite 6 was the last version for which Adobe sells perpetual
licenses. You can still download it and buy a license from Adobe but
only by phone.

https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/cs6-product-downloads.html

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Craig, Alison  wrote:
> I know Creative Suite 5.5 was definitely perpetual license and based on a 
> quick eBay search, so was CS 6.0.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Craig, Alison]

I know Creative Suite 5.5 was definitely perpetual license and based on a quick 
eBay search, so was CS 6.0.


Alison Craig
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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 10:25 AM
To: 'Carol J. Elkins'; 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

Thank you everyone. This list is invaluable. OK, I understand all the ins
and outs of the difference apps., and stuff about the subscription vs.
perpetual licenses, so I have what I need for now. I am sure that I will
have a few more questions later on today as I try to wrap up this process.

Thank you everyone again.

TVB



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From: Carol J. Elkins [mailto:celk...@awrittenword.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:38 AM
To: Tammy Van Boening; 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

Tammy, Photoshop really isn't set up to handle vector graphics, such as line
drawings. But it can handle and output photos and screen captures. I use
both but prefer Illustrator. Illustrator's native .ai format is the same as
.eps. I import .ai photos by reference into Framemaker and it works
seamlessly.

Carol

At 07:36 AM 9/7/2016, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
>I know
>that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
>advantage/disadvantage of one over the other?


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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thank you everyone. This list is invaluable. OK, I understand all the ins
and outs of the difference apps., and stuff about the subscription vs.
perpetual licenses, so I have what I need for now. I am sure that I will
have a few more questions later on today as I try to wrap up this process.

Thank you everyone again.

TVB



-Original Message-
From: Carol J. Elkins [mailto:celk...@awrittenword.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:38 AM
To: Tammy Van Boening; 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

Tammy, Photoshop really isn't set up to handle vector graphics, such as line
drawings. But it can handle and output photos and screen captures. I use
both but prefer Illustrator. Illustrator's native .ai format is the same as
.eps. I import .ai photos by reference into Framemaker and it works
seamlessly.

Carol

At 07:36 AM 9/7/2016, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
>I know
>that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an 
>advantage/disadvantage of one over the other?


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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

Inkscape can't open EPS files, so you have to convert them:

https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#how-to-open-eps-files-in-windows
http://kristarella.com/2010/03/edit-eps-files-in-inkscape-on-mac

Then exporting to EPS when you're done is problematic:

http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2013/08/12/how-to-produce-vector-eps-with-cmyk-color-using-free-software
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Scott Prentice]

I'd take a good look at Inkscape. It probably does all you need, is a 
good vector graphics editor, and is free (open source) ..


https://inkscape.org/

Between PS and AI, you'd want to use AI for EPS. Assuming you're using 
EPS because you want vector graphics, AI is a vector graphics editor. 
While PS can export EPS, that's not what PS was designed for.


However, neither of these are available as a perpetual license (AFAIK). 
Here are other choices for vector graphics editors ..


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_vector_graphics_editors

Cheers,
...scott


On 9/7/16 6:36 AM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

Hi All,

I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
tools?

Thanks!

TVB

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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

Illustrator is for vector graphics, Photoshop is for bitmaps. EPS is a
vector format, so you should use Illustrator to edit it. You can sort
of edit EPS in Photoshop, but not really.

If you really need to edit EPS, I would not mess around with anything
but Illustrator. Is that really a hard requirement and if so why?

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Tammy Van Boening
 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
> just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
> requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
> start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
> that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
> advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
> work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
> leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
> this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
> license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
> tools?
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Inkscape is free vector-based drawing program that can save as EPS.
https://inkscape.org/en/
Xara is a cheap vector-based drawing program that can save as EPS.
http://www.xara.com/eu/photo-graphic-designer/features/

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133


On 07-Sep-16 4:36 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

Hi All,

I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
tools?

Thanks!

TVB

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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Carol J. Elkins]

Tammy, Photoshop really isn't set up to handle vector graphics, such 
as line drawings. But it can handle and output photos and screen 
captures. I use both but prefer Illustrator. Illustrator's native .ai 
format is the same as .eps. I import .ai photos by reference into 
Framemaker and it works seamlessly.


Carol

At 07:36 AM 9/7/2016, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other?


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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Sorry, I  mean CC, not CS. 

TVB

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On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:10 AM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

What were the last versions of Photoshop and AI that were sold with a
perpetual license before they got sucked up into this subscription mode as
part of CS?

Thank you!

TVB


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From: Framers
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On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:36 AM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

Hi All,

I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
tools?

Thanks!

TVB

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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Tammy Van Boening]

What were the last versions of Photoshop and AI that were sold with a
perpetual license before they got sucked up into this subscription mode as
part of CS?

Thank you!

TVB


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On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:36 AM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

Hi All,

I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
tools?

Thanks!

TVB

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Re: [Framers] Is the Framers list still working?

[Ken Poshedly]

Steve,
I've posted several messages since Tuesday and gotten replies.
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 5:33 AM, Steve Waldenga-王安祖 
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 The last mail I received was 8/15.

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

[Jeff Coatsworth]

​Yes, it's safer to find a machine that doesn't have any FM loaded on it to 
play around with trials.


From: Ken Poshedly 
Sent: September-07-16 9:49 AM
To: Jeff Coatsworth
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

Good idea, Jeff.

I do have FM 10 (not 11) installed on a laptop at home. But will installing 
cloud-based FM2015 "pollute" that and make my FM10 unusable afterwards?

I remember seeing previous posts over the years of others who did trial 
upgrades but then decided no-thanks, only to find their original versions 
unusable.

-- Ken


On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 9:39 AM, Jeff Coatsworth 
 wrote:


Ken - if you've got a spare machine at home (or kicking about the office), you 
could download the FM2015 trial & test for yourself ;>)

From: Framers 
mailto:jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com>>
 on behalf of Ken Poshedly 
mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net>>
Sent: September-07-16 9:35 AM
To: Rick Quatro; 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

To all,
Could someone on this list who already uses FM2015 email me privately so we 
could set up a short test?
Thanks,
-- Ken in Atlanta


On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 11:42 AM, Rick Quatro 
mailto:r...@rickquatro.com>> wrote:


Ken,

Have them save the files in MIF and you will be able to open them with 11.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017
r...@frameexpert.com




-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 11:25 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

The translation department at my company's home office in China is considering 
to obtain FrameMaker 2015. That's the best wording I can use for this because 
I'm sure all of us are aware of the hacking in that country, so I can't speak 
for how they'll get the software. (My company is absolutely humongous in China 
with offices worldwide, but operates as if the staff consists of only four or 
five minimum-wage peons. Sort of how Scrooge treated Marley in The Christmas 
Carol.)

My office is in metro Atlanta and we use "FrameMaker Version 11.0," with really 
no problems — though I wish we didn't have to jump through hoops to archive 
[book-build] a finished manual. (Even then, those archives have their own 
problems with duplicates of some files in different folders.)

I already know that files created (or edited) in a newer version of Frame must 
be deliberately saved to a lower version so they can be accessed by those with 
the earlier Frame product.

Because of the multi-generational difference between FrameMaker 2015 and Frame 
11, I'm concerned that the newer product will not save files to the earlier 
level (FM11) that we here can use.

Are my concerns valid or is everything hunky-dory? And no, the Chinese 
management at my office will definitely NOT (i.e., no way, nada, hell-no!, 
etc.) upgrade my department of three American writers with the new product. The 
Chinese business model (or at least the one my company follows) is to cut costs 
but hope for increased sales. I'll be glad to discuss that issue off-list.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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[Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Hi All,

I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
tools?

Thanks!

TVB

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Ken - if you've got a spare machine at home (or kicking about the office), you 
could download the FM2015 trial & test for yourself ;>)

From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Ken Poshedly 
Sent: September-07-16 9:35 AM
To: Rick Quatro; 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

To all,
Could someone on this list who already uses FM2015 email me privately so we 
could set up a short test?
Thanks,
-- Ken in Atlanta


On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 11:42 AM, Rick Quatro  
wrote:


 Ken,

Have them save the files in MIF and you will be able to open them with 11.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017
r...@frameexpert.com




-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 11:25 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

The translation department at my company's home office in China is considering 
to obtain FrameMaker 2015. That's the best wording I can use for this because 
I'm sure all of us are aware of the hacking in that country, so I can't speak 
for how they'll get the software. (My company is absolutely humongous in China 
with offices worldwide, but operates as if the staff consists of only four or 
five minimum-wage peons. Sort of how Scrooge treated Marley in The Christmas 
Carol.)

My office is in metro Atlanta and we use "FrameMaker Version 11.0," with really 
no problems — though I wish we didn't have to jump through hoops to archive 
[book-build] a finished manual. (Even then, those archives have their own 
problems with duplicates of some files in different folders.)

I already know that files created (or edited) in a newer version of Frame must 
be deliberately saved to a lower version so they can be accessed by those with 
the earlier Frame product.

Because of the multi-generational difference between FrameMaker 2015 and Frame 
11, I'm concerned that the newer product will not save files to the earlier 
level (FM11) that we here can use.

Are my concerns valid or is everything hunky-dory? And no, the Chinese 
management at my office will definitely NOT (i.e., no way, nada, hell-no!, 
etc.) upgrade my department of three American writers with the new product. The 
Chinese business model (or at least the one my company follows) is to cut costs 
but hope for increased sales. I'll be glad to discuss that issue off-list.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

[Ken Poshedly]

To all,
Could someone on this list who already uses FM2015 email me privately so we 
could set up a short test?
Thanks,
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 11:42 AM, Rick Quatro  
wrote:
 

 Ken,

Have them save the files in MIF and you will be able to open them with 11.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017
r...@frameexpert.com




-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 11:25 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

The translation department at my company's home office in China is considering 
to obtain FrameMaker 2015. That's the best wording I can use for this because 
I'm sure all of us are aware of the hacking in that country, so I can't speak 
for how they'll get the software. (My company is absolutely humongous in China 
with offices worldwide, but operates as if the staff consists of only four or 
five minimum-wage peons. Sort of how Scrooge treated Marley in The Christmas 
Carol.)

My office is in metro Atlanta and we use "FrameMaker Version 11.0," with really 
no problems — though I wish we didn't have to jump through hoops to archive 
[book-build] a finished manual. (Even then, those archives have their own 
problems with duplicates of some files in different folders.)

I already know that files created (or edited) in a newer version of Frame must 
be deliberately saved to a lower version so they can be accessed by those with 
the earlier Frame product.

Because of the multi-generational difference between FrameMaker 2015 and Frame 
11, I'm concerned that the newer product will not save files to the earlier 
level (FM11) that we here can use.

Are my concerns valid or is everything hunky-dory? And no, the Chinese 
management at my office will definitely NOT (i.e., no way, nada, hell-no!, 
etc.) upgrade my department of three American writers with the new product. The 
Chinese business model (or at least the one my company follows) is to cut costs 
but hope for increased sales. I'll be glad to discuss that issue off-list.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] Is the Framers list still working?

[Johan Anglemark]

The easiest way to find out is to use the link in the footer and look in 
the archive: 


(Short answer: Yes, it is.)

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On 2016-09-07 11:32, Steve Waldenga-王安祖 wrote:

The last mail I received was 8/15.

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[Framers] Is the Framers list still working?

[Steve Waldenga-王安祖]

The last mail I received was 8/15.

Regards,
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