Re: [Framers] Text inset links in PDFs in FM 2017 and no updates to purchased version

2017-02-03 Thread Carol J. Elkins 

At 05:13 PM 2/3/2017, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote:

Lin Sims said:
> ... and if you stop paying the subscription, you will not be able 
to open or edit your files in Frame anymore.
And right there is the reason for why subscription purchases simply 
cannot be a good idea! IMHO.


Agreed. I was badly caught by not know this when I cancelled my CC 
subscription a few years ago. My licensed versions of Photoshop and 
Illustrator didn't care that the files were created in a newer 
version (other than alerting me to possible consequences) and opened 
them just fine. However, none of my InDesign files would open in my 
older licensed version. I was (at the time) able to find an online 
service that would convert, for free, the files to a format that I 
COULD open, but it was a laborious and irritating waste of time. 
(Plus Rick Q generously helped me out with files that I caught after 
the free service shut down.) How much effort would it have cost Adobe 
to make it abundantly clear that there was no backward compatibility 
to the files created with CC? It would not have taken me long to open 
each of my InDesign files while my subscription was still working and 
downsave them.


Carol


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Re: [Framers] Text inset links in PDFs in FM 2017 and no updates to purchased version

2017-02-03 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain 
Lin Sims said:
> ... and if you stop paying the subscription, you will not be able to open or 
> edit your files in Frame anymore.

And right there is the reason for why subscription purchases simply cannot be a 
good idea! IMHO.

Z
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Re: [Framers] Text inset links in PDFs in FM 2017 and no updates to purchased version

2017-02-03 Thread LGLists 
David,

 

If you’d be able to test it out without too much bother, we’d appreciate it. 
The new person needs to know for sure if she needs to purchase a script to get 
the links to work.

 

All,

 

If anyone else knows about the text inset links in PDFs, much obliged if you’d 
let us know to save David from having to test it out.

 

Thanks for the answers on the updates. Seems like the perpetual licenses work 
as they always have. I was hard-pressed to believe that you couldn’t get bug 
fixes and general updates. I have FM12 (TCS 5, I think) and have no need to 
upgrade.

 

Thanks all!!

 

~
Linda G. Gallagher


 

From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 1:57 PM
To: LGLists; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Text inset links in PDFs in FM 2017 and no updates to 
purchased version

 

Can't answer your first question right now, but i have a few insets i could try 
and see if it works.

 

 

On the other issue, I have purchased version of Framemaker 2015 and you need to 
go to the help menu and select Updates. Frame will go out and see check. If 
there are, Frame will let you know.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:34 PM, LGLists

 wrote:

Hi All!



I'm posting on behalf of someone else who is contemplating taking on some of
my projects. She's getting info from FM support that I'm a little skeptical
about. Sorry to repeat the one item, but I've not heard back. 





.  I got this a bit wrong the first time, too. According to FM support,
the bug that caused x-refs from text insets to not be working links in PDFs
was reported in FM 10 and does not now show up on the list of bugs. This
makes is sound like it's been fixed. Has anyone has tested this in FM 2017
to see if links work without having to run a script in FM to get them to
work?




.  She was also told that if you purchased a license (not the monthly
subscription) that you did not get an updates or bug fixes. I know that
didn't used to be true. Is it the case that if you purchase a license
without the monthly subscription that you don't get even bug fixes? No a
point releases? Nothing?





I appreciate any info you folks can share. I've been out of the loop on the
latest and greatest for a while.



Thanks for any info you have on this!!



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[Framers] access to your framemaker files WAS: Text inset links in PDFs in FM 2017 and no updates to purchased version

2017-02-03 Thread Craig Ede 

...unless you resubscribe or backsave the files to a version you have a 
perpetual license for. This is not terrifically hard to do using Extendscript 
for large numbers of files.


Presumably you could subscribe for a year, then start a new subscription 
sometime later and have access to your files.


Here's how perpetual licenses have been treated in the past. I haven't heard of 
changes.

Updates are pushed out to you (via notification that they are available) and 
can be triggered from the menu system using Help > Updates...  You are NOT 
required to install them.


Version upgrades are available as free upgrades if released within 30 days of 
purchase (at least for individual users). This may not be true for corporate or 
academic license purchasers.


Subscription users get all upgrades (at least that's the way Creative Cloud 
works) and can decide to install them or not AND can retain older versions on 
the system as well. So you aren't bumped up to a new release and HAVE to use 
that release. You can use the older one(s). This is nice for consultants who 
require specific versions for specific customers.  I have advocated to Adobe 
that given the FM world out there, new users ought to get access to all 
previous version licenses they might request for use on a single machine.


Thanks.


Craig







From: Framers  on 
behalf of Lin Sims 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 2:54 PM
To: LGLists
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: [Framers] Text inset links in PDFs in FM 2017 and no updates to 
purchased version

I can't speak to the text insets, but as far as the subscription versus
outright license is concerned, I believe the differences are that the
updates/bug fixes are automatically pushed for the subscription, but you
have to download and install for the license; and if you stop paying the
subscription, you will not be able to open or edit your files in Frame
anymore.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 3:34 PM, LGLists  wrote:

> Hi All!
>
>
>
> I'm posting on behalf of someone else who is contemplating taking on some
> of
> my projects. She's getting info from FM support that I'm a little skeptical
> about. Sorry to repeat the one item, but I've not heard back.
>
>
>
>
>
> .   I got this a bit wrong the first time, too. According to FM
> support,
> the bug that caused x-refs from text insets to not be working links in PDFs
> was reported in FM 10 and does not now show up on the list of bugs. This
> makes is sound like it's been fixed. Has anyone has tested this in FM 2017
> to see if links work without having to run a script in FM to get them to
> work?
>
>
>
>
> .   She was also told that if you purchased a license (not the monthly
> subscription) that you did not get an updates or bug fixes. I know that
> didn't used to be true. Is it the case that if you purchase a license
> without the monthly subscription that you don't get even bug fixes? No a
> point releases? Nothing?
>
>
>
>
>
> I appreciate any info you folks can share. I've been out of the loop on the
> latest and greatest for a while.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any info you have on this!!
>
>
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
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Re: [Framers] Text inset links in PDFs in FM 2017 and no updates to purchased version

2017-02-03 Thread David Spreadbury 
Can't answer your first question right now, but i have a few insets i could try 
and see if it works.

On the other issue, I have purchased version of Framemaker 2015 and you need to 
go to the help menu and select Updates. Frame will go out and see check. If 
there are, Frame will let you know.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:34 PM, LGLists wrote:   Hi 
All!

 

I'm posting on behalf of someone else who is contemplating taking on some of
my projects. She's getting info from FM support that I'm a little skeptical
about. Sorry to repeat the one item, but I've not heard back. 

 

 

.      I got this a bit wrong the first time, too. According to FM support,
the bug that caused x-refs from text insets to not be working links in PDFs
was reported in FM 10 and does not now show up on the list of bugs. This
makes is sound like it's been fixed. Has anyone has tested this in FM 2017
to see if links work without having to run a script in FM to get them to
work?




.      She was also told that if you purchased a license (not the monthly
subscription) that you did not get an updates or bug fixes. I know that
didn't used to be true. Is it the case that if you purchase a license
without the monthly subscription that you don't get even bug fixes? No a
point releases? Nothing?

 

 

I appreciate any info you folks can share. I've been out of the loop on the
latest and greatest for a while.

 

Thanks for any info you have on this!!

 

~
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Re: [Framers] Text inset links in PDFs in FM 2017 and no updates to purchased version

2017-02-03 Thread Lin Sims 
I can't speak to the text insets, but as far as the subscription versus
outright license is concerned, I believe the differences are that the
updates/bug fixes are automatically pushed for the subscription, but you
have to download and install for the license; and if you stop paying the
subscription, you will not be able to open or edit your files in Frame
anymore.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 3:34 PM, LGLists  wrote:

> Hi All!
>
>
>
> I'm posting on behalf of someone else who is contemplating taking on some
> of
> my projects. She's getting info from FM support that I'm a little skeptical
> about. Sorry to repeat the one item, but I've not heard back.
>
>
>
>
>
> .   I got this a bit wrong the first time, too. According to FM
> support,
> the bug that caused x-refs from text insets to not be working links in PDFs
> was reported in FM 10 and does not now show up on the list of bugs. This
> makes is sound like it's been fixed. Has anyone has tested this in FM 2017
> to see if links work without having to run a script in FM to get them to
> work?
>
>
>
>
> .   She was also told that if you purchased a license (not the monthly
> subscription) that you did not get an updates or bug fixes. I know that
> didn't used to be true. Is it the case that if you purchase a license
> without the monthly subscription that you don't get even bug fixes? No a
> point releases? Nothing?
>
>
>
>
>
> I appreciate any info you folks can share. I've been out of the loop on the
> latest and greatest for a while.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any info you have on this!!
>
>
>
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> 
>
>
>
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[Framers] Text inset links in PDFs in FM 2017 and no updates to purchased version

2017-02-03 Thread LGLists 
Hi All!

 

I'm posting on behalf of someone else who is contemplating taking on some of
my projects. She's getting info from FM support that I'm a little skeptical
about. Sorry to repeat the one item, but I've not heard back. 

 

 

.   I got this a bit wrong the first time, too. According to FM support,
the bug that caused x-refs from text insets to not be working links in PDFs
was reported in FM 10 and does not now show up on the list of bugs. This
makes is sound like it's been fixed. Has anyone has tested this in FM 2017
to see if links work without having to run a script in FM to get them to
work?




.   She was also told that if you purchased a license (not the monthly
subscription) that you did not get an updates or bug fixes. I know that
didn't used to be true. Is it the case that if you purchase a license
without the monthly subscription that you don't get even bug fixes? No a
point releases? Nothing?

 

 

I appreciate any info you folks can share. I've been out of the loop on the
latest and greatest for a while.

 

Thanks for any info you have on this!!

 

~
Linda G. Gallagher


 

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[Framers] RESULTS: Up for discussion: changing Framers' default Reply-To behavior

2017-02-03 Thread FrameUsers Admin 
During the last week, I've gotten good responses, both on-list and 
off-list, to my request for comments about changing Framers' default 
Reply-To behavior from Reply to Poster to Reply to List. Thank you 
all so much for being involved in this decision.


By a majority of two to one, respondents would rather have messages 
automatically reply to list.


Therefore, I plan to change the default reply-to setting for this 
group to Reply to List. I will initiate this change on FEBRUARY 12 
and we'll see how it goes. Hopefully no one is emailing content that 
they'd be embarrassed by, regardless of who receives it. Slow down 
and don't be so quick to hit Send. Anytime you're sending an email of 
substance, take a minute to make sure that it says what you want it 
to and that it's addressed to the person or group you want to read 
it. In a world of instant communication, old-fashioned proofreading 
is the most powerful weapon you have against embarrassing emails.


And please don't be put off by the idea of sharing your email with 
the entire group. This is an extremely friendly bunch of people who 
do not bash posters they disagree with. We have very informative 
discussions on the pros and cons of a lot of ideas and solutions.


I'm excited at the idea of having more posts shared with the group 
that were previously, either intentionally or accidentally, sent only 
to the original poster. After all, the purpose of this group is to 
share information.


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Re: [Framers] Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's a page for that!

2017-02-03 Thread Pat Christenson 
Thank you!

Pat

From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 12:07 PM
To: Pat Christenson 
Cc: fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's 
a page for that!

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html
Click the "Compare Older Versions" to download the PDF, which does have the 
same URL Bernard posted.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Pat Christenson 
> wrote:
Hi Bernard,

I'm getting a 404 Not Found on this URL.

Pat Christenson

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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
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Subject: [Framers] Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's a 
page for that!

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wwwimages.adobe.com_content_dam_acom_en_products_framemaker_framemake=DwICAg=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSMJ71NR_1HMKptQ=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_6iaUj61_E=QxJc1KyONunbC3ivCqbiL9eagEnD7tjy9em57ykByVU=Hqx3SyLuuaj4Qvd4lA5oqCB8OnOSQ3gsxpfUznWxIoY=
r_2017/pdf/FM_2017_VERSION_COMPARISION.pdf

Adobe has a PDF that provides info on the functions of FM2017 compared with 
versions going back to v9. Could be helpful in deciding to move to a new tool.

Bernard

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[Framers] REPOST (shorter link): Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's a page for that!

2017-02-03 Thread Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter) 
Shortened the link to this (hope it helps):
https://goo.gl/l3yD41

Seems that the wrap may have messed up the original. Adobe has a PDF that
provides info on the functions of FM2017 compared with versions going back
to v9. Could be helpful in deciding to move to a new tool.

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Re: [Framers] Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's a page for that!

2017-02-03 Thread Lin Sims 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Click the "Compare Older Versions" to download the PDF, which does have the
same URL Bernard posted.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Pat Christenson <
pat.christen...@morningstar.com> wrote:

> Hi Bernard,
>
> I'm getting a 404 Not Found on this URL.
>
> Pat Christenson
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
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> r_2017/pdf/FM_2017_VERSION_COMPARISION.pdf
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Re: [Framers] Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's a page for that!

2017-02-03 Thread Pat Christenson 
Hi Bernard,

I'm getting a 404 Not Found on this URL.

Pat Christenson

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Subject: [Framers] Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's a 
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https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wwwimages.adobe.com_content_dam_acom_en_products_framemaker_framemake=DwICAg=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSMJ71NR_1HMKptQ=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_6iaUj61_E=QxJc1KyONunbC3ivCqbiL9eagEnD7tjy9em57ykByVU=Hqx3SyLuuaj4Qvd4lA5oqCB8OnOSQ3gsxpfUznWxIoY=
r_2017/pdf/FM_2017_VERSION_COMPARISION.pdf

Adobe has a PDF that provides info on the functions of FM2017 compared with 
versions going back to v9. Could be helpful in deciding to move to a new tool.

Bernard

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[Framers] Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's a page for that!

2017-02-03 Thread Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter) 
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/products/framemaker/framemake
r_2017/pdf/FM_2017_VERSION_COMPARISION.pdf

Adobe has a PDF that provides info on the functions of FM2017 compared with
versions going back to v9. Could be helpful in deciding to move to a new
tool.

Bernard

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