RE: A Pantone colour definition question

[Davis, David]

Garima,
when I do File  Save as PDF in FrameMaker11, I first get a dialog to choose 
file name and destination, then I get a PDF Setup for Selected File dialog.
The first tab of this is labelled Settings and has a panel on it with just 
two radio buttons, only labelled RGB and CMYK, no explanation.
Is this what you mean by Uncheck the option for 'Convert CMYK colors to RGB' ?


Regards,

David


From: Garima Kamthan [mailto:gkamt...@adobe.com]
Sent: 31 July 2013 11:14
To: Richard Doll
Cc: deb.alt...@anixter.com; i...@mikewickham.com; Davis, David; Kunal Saini; 
Vikram Verma; Kapil Verma
Subject: RE: A Pantone colour definition question

Hi Richard,

To retain CMYK colors in PDF, you can do the following:


1.   Modify a job option to change color setting to 'leave color 
unchanged'. Steps are:

Select: File-print setup. The printer selected should be 'Adobe PDF'.

Click on properties. click 'Edit' for any job option(which is to be used to 
generate PDF) in Default settings. Go to 'color' tab. In 'color management 
policies' change option to Leave color unchanged.

2.   Do 'Save as PDF':

In PDF job options, select the job option created in step1

Uncheck the option for 'Convert CMYK colors to RGB'

Would suggest you to use the above settings for getting CMYK colors in PDF.
In case you are just interested in retaining CMYK colors for 'TIF' images, then 
you can use the flag 'ConvertGraphicsToEPS'.
Open maker.ini file present in $FmHome directory. Mark ConvertGraphicsToEPS 
as On. Restart Framemaker. Now, even if Convert CMYK colors to RGB option is 
checked in PDF set dialog, graphics(jpeg, psd, tiff) will retain CMYK colors.

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Garima

From: Kapil Verma
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:24 AM
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Vikram Verma
Subject: RE: A Pantone colour definition question

Richard,

Thanks for your note. My colleague Garima will get back to you on this question.

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From: Richard Doll [mailto:sgmli...@tds.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:33 PM
To: Kapil Verma
Cc: deb.alt...@anixter.commailto:deb.alt...@anixter.com; 
i...@mikewickham.commailto:i...@mikewickham.com; Davis, David
Subject: Re: A Pantone colour definition question
Importance: High

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Kapil,

As a FrameMaker-10 (structured) and Acrobat-Pro-10 of the TCS-package user,
compiling 3k catalog pages/yr having approx. 3.25 CMYK-defined images per page 
and
about 20 CMYK-defined in FrameMaker colors (as a company-standards for 
part-numbers/section bleed-tabs/etc.) . . .

Images are provided as PDF-(for full-page) and TIF (for single-column) all 
having colors defined in CMYK.

Please define exactly WHAT options are required to guarantee rendering the 
exact CMYK of the input and
HOW/WHERE in FrameMaker and/or Acrobat-Pro to set them.

at your decision . . . reference to product help or how-to data at Adobe 
web-site is appreciated.

In earlier Frame/Acrobat versions, I had script-converted all TIFs to EPS via 
Photoshop, to prevent Windows of its RGB perversion.

Thanks for your valued response.

Richard Doll
graphic communications llc
sgmli...@tds.netmailto:sgmli...@tds.net
1-317-539-4857
frame user since ver. 4

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A Pantone colour definition question

[Davis, David]

OK, cheers, Matt! :)

Re: talk of the "GDI" -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Device_Interface isn't giving me an 
unequivocal answer, but surely this 16 bit API is not getting used by 
FrameMaker in a 64bit Win7 or Win8 environment? Or is it...?

David


From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]
Sent: 30 July 2013 23:02
To: Davis, David;  List
Subject: Re: A Pantone colour definition question

David, define your color as Pantone 390C, specify spot color, and use the CMYK 
representation as the definition.

Arnis may jump in to explain when Windows stopped bolloxing the colors, but 
with Win7, you should have no problems with the file.

Doing a Save as PDF, using the Adobe PDF print driver should respect the spot 
color in the PDF, and if sent to a CMYK device, respect the color you defined 
in the doc.

Try all of this and let me know if it doesn't work as promised.



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On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:32 AM, "Davis, David" mailto:David.Davis at invensys.com>> wrote:


Here's one of those nefarious color questions


I'm using FrameMaker 11

I'm doing a doc where the company's branding guidelines ask for a squiggly line 
in a particular colour.
They're asking for "Pantone 390C"



So, if I go to View > Colour > Definitions, then Colour Definitions, I can 
chose "PANTON(r) Coated" from the list.


However, the dialog this brings up is offering colours with a "CVC" suffix.


The Branding Guide I'm using also has a suggest CYMK match for the Pantone 
colour.

Does this actually work though? Or will Frame still turn the spot-ink named 
Pantone into an RGB value when distill it to a PDF?


Regards,
David




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A Pantone colour definition question

[Davis, David]

Garima,
when I do File > Save as PDF in FrameMaker11, I first get a dialog to choose 
file name and destination, then I get a "PDF Setup for Selected File" dialog.
The first tab of this is labelled "Settings" and has a panel on it with just 
two radio buttons, only labelled "RGB" and "CMYK", no explanation.
Is this what you mean by "Uncheck the option for 'Convert CMYK colors to RGB'" ?


Regards,

David


From: Garima Kamthan [mailto:gkamt...@adobe.com]
Sent: 31 July 2013 11:14
To: Richard Doll
Cc: deb.altman at anixter.com; info at mikewickham.com; Davis, David; Kunal 
Saini; Vikram Verma; Kapil Verma
Subject: RE: A Pantone colour definition question

Hi Richard,

To retain CMYK colors in PDF, you can do the following:


1.   Modify a job option to change color setting to 'leave color 
unchanged'. Steps are:

Select: File->print setup. The printer selected should be 'Adobe PDF'.

Click on properties. click 'Edit' for any job option(which is to be used to 
generate PDF) in Default settings. Go to 'color' tab. In 'color management 
policies' change option to "Leave color unchanged.

2.   Do 'Save as PDF':

In PDF job options, select the job option created in step1

Uncheck the option for 'Convert CMYK colors to RGB'

Would suggest you to use the above settings for getting CMYK colors in PDF.
In case you are just interested in retaining CMYK colors for 'TIF' images, then 
you can use the flag 'ConvertGraphicsToEPS'.
Open maker.ini file present in $FmHome directory. Mark "ConvertGraphicsToEPS" 
as On. Restart Framemaker. Now, even if "Convert CMYK colors to RGB" option is 
checked in PDF set dialog, graphics(jpeg, psd, tiff) will retain CMYK colors.

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Garima

From: Kapil Verma
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:24 AM
To: Richard Doll; Garima Kamthan
Cc: deb.altman at anixter.com<mailto:deb.altman at anixter.com>; info at 
mikewickham.com<mailto:info at mikewickham.com>; Davis, David; Kunal Saini; 
Vikram Verma
Subject: RE: A Pantone colour definition question

Richard,

Thanks for your note. My colleague Garima will get back to you on this question.

Thanks,

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From: Richard Doll [mailto:sgmli...@tds.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:33 PM
To: Kapil Verma
Cc: deb.altman at anixter.com<mailto:deb.altman at anixter.com>; info at 
mikewickham.com<mailto:info at mikewickham.com>; Davis, David
Subject: Re: A Pantone colour definition question
Importance: High

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Server I RoboHelp Server


Kapil,

As a FrameMaker-10 (structured) and Acrobat-Pro-10 of the TCS-package user,
compiling 3k catalog pages/yr having approx. 3.25 CMYK-defined images per page 
and
about 20 CMYK-defined in FrameMaker colors (as a company-standards for 
part-numbers/section bleed-tabs/etc.) . . .

Images are provided as PDF-(for full-page) and TIF (for single-column) all 
having colors defined in CMYK.

Please define exactly WHAT options are required to guarantee rendering the 
exact CMYK of the "input" and
HOW/WHERE in FrameMaker and/or Acrobat-Pro to set them.

at your decision . . . reference to product "help" or "how-to" data at Adobe 
web-site is appreciated.

In earlier Frame/Acrobat versions, I had script-converted all TIFs to E

A Pantone colour definition question

[Davis, David]

Here's one of those nefarious colour questions ;)
I'm using FrameMaker 11, although by the looks of the dialog I've got on my 
screen, these settings haven't changed since at least Frame 5.5 ;)

I'm doing a doc where the company's branding guidelines ask for a squiggly line 
in a particular colour.
They're asking for Pantone 390C
The interweb tells me the C suffix stands for Coated.

So, if I go to View  Colour  Definitions, then Colour Definitions, I can 
chose PANTON(r) Coated from the list.
However, the dialog this brings up is offering colours with a CVC suffix. The 
interweb appears to suggest this means Computer Video?  Is that not something 
different? I am confused! Why doesn't it just say C for the suffix?

In any case: the only reason I'm bothering about this at all is:
The Branding Guide I'm using also has a suggest CYMK match for the Pantone 
colour.
I can type this in instead, but from reading the FrameMaker documentation, it 
seems to suggest that if I ask it to put that colour in as a Spot, with a 
named Pantone ink, then it will make its way through like that into whatever 
PDF I make?
And it will then be up to the printer driver on whatever printer prints it to 
decide the best CYMK match for Pantone 390C at print time... which is likely 
to be a better match then me  Frame guessing here today.
Does this actually work though? Or will Frame still turn the spot-ink named 
Pantone into an RGB value when distill it to a PDF?
(Mind you, if I specify it as a CMYK, it's almost certainly going to RGB-ify 
it? Or has Frame11 stopped all that nonsense? I've read much wailing and 
gnashing of teeth about this online)
Regards,
David


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A Pantone colour definition question

[Davis, David]

Here's one of those nefarious colour questions ;)
I'm using FrameMaker 11, although by the looks of the dialog I've got on my 
screen, these settings haven't changed since at least Frame 5.5 ;)

I'm doing a doc where the company's branding guidelines ask for a squiggly line 
in a particular colour.
They're asking for "Pantone 390C"
The interweb tells me the "C" suffix stands for Coated.

So, if I go to View > Colour > Definitions, then Colour Definitions, I can 
chose "PANTON(r) Coated" from the list.
However, the dialog this brings up is offering colours with a "CVC" suffix. The 
interweb appears to suggest this means "Computer Video"?  Is that not something 
different? I am confused! Why doesn't it just say "C" for the suffix?

In any case: the only reason I'm bothering about this at all is:
The Branding Guide I'm using also has a suggest CYMK match for the Pantone 
colour.
I can type this in instead, but from reading the FrameMaker documentation, it 
seems to suggest that if I ask it to put that colour in as a "Spot", with a 
named Pantone ink, then it will make its way through like that into whatever 
PDF I make?
And it will then be up to the printer driver on whatever printer prints it to 
decide the best CYMK match for "Pantone 390C" at print time... which is likely 
to be a better match then me & Frame guessing here today.
Does this actually work though? Or will Frame still turn the spot-ink named 
Pantone into an RGB value when distill it to a PDF?
(Mind you, if I specify it as a CMYK, it's almost certainly going to RGB-ify 
it? Or has Frame11 stopped all that nonsense? I've read much wailing and 
gnashing of teeth about this online)
Regards,
David


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Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off

[Davis, David]

Hi folks.
After not using Frame day-to-day for a few years, I've finally landed a 
contract where they want me to use it...
So I am just finding out what's new in Frame 11 and reading through all the 
docs.

Not wanting to bombard the list with minutiae, but there are some quite odd 
things buried in the Frame help files that look like they've been there since 
the 1990s -
E.g. in Home / Using FrameMaker 11 / Templates and Page Layout / Formats  
Fonts I found this little oddball:


-  Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off 
or not installed. If you do use Courier without ATM, FrameMaker products do not 
accurately display the Courier font.

Lol what on earth is that about? Adobe Type Manager hasn't been needed for 
working with PostScript Type1 fonts since Windows 2000!

David


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"Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

[Davis, David]

Hi folks.
After not using Frame day-to-day for a few years, I've finally landed a 
contract where they want me to use it...
So I am just finding out what's new in Frame 11 and reading through all the 
docs.

Not wanting to bombard the list with minutiae, but there are some quite odd 
things buried in the Frame help files that look like they've been there since 
the 1990s -
E.g. in "Home / Using FrameMaker 11 / Templates and Page Layout / Formats > 
Fonts" I found this little oddball:


-  "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off 
or not installed. If you do use Courier without ATM, FrameMaker products do not 
accurately display the Courier font."

Lol what on earth is that about? Adobe Type Manager hasn't been needed for 
working with PostScript Type1 fonts since Windows 2000!

David


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