Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent

[Tino H. Haida]

Hi Karen, 

I checked with FM 2015 on PC: 
The glyph palette shows more characters, that is true, but only
characters that really are part of the font have a correct wysiwyg
preview.
If you click on the "ć", a question mark is shown in the text, which is
the expected result. 

As far as I can tell, you should "upgrade" the Helvetica font... It will
be a little bit more expensive, but it is the best way to have a
consistent design throughout all different languages. 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

Karen Robbins:

> Hi Tino,
> 
> Hm, that's interesting. On the Mac side, it does contain all the glyphs. And 
> in the FM Character Palette, it looks like they are there as well (definitely 
> NOT there for the basic Helvetica, in contrast).
> 
> I'll look into another (Pro) version for the PC side. Would be a help with 
> Greek characters, too--I already had to add a special font for those.
> 
> Thanks!
> --Karen
> 
> At 2:55 AM +0200 6/23/16, Tino H. Haida wrote: Hi Karen,
> 
> the Std-font contains only the standard latin (western) characters.
> 
> You would need the Pro-version of this Helvetica font (=latin extended, with 
> Central European characters) oder the WGL4 font (includes also Baltic, Greek 
> and Cyrillic characters).
> 
> Pls refer to the website of a font vendor like Linotype.
> 
> Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin
> 
> Karen Robbins:
> 
> Actually, I spoke too soon. It does work for some fonts (e.g., Garamond), but 
> not others--including HelveticaNeueLT Std, the one I need. It should have all 
> the characters and glyphs that exist.
> 
> K
> 
> At 8:41 PM + 6/22/16, Craig, Alison wrote:
> 
> I don't know how to do it with the keyboard, but it's easy to do using File > 
> Utilities > Character Palette (FM 12).
> 
> Select the font you want (eg, Arial) and go through the palette until you 
> find "ç".
> 
> Alison
> 
> Technical Documentation Specialist
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> From: Framers 
> [mailto:<mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com>framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com]
>  On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:57 PM
> To: <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
> 
> I am trying to keyboard an acute accent over the letter C (as in the name
> Mi"iç), which can be done on a Mac and in HTML but apparently not in Frame
> on the PC. Alt+0263 doesn't work. A colleague with a versions-old FM quick
> reference card says it confirms that couldn't be done (at least at that
> version). Still true for v11 and forward?
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> Karen
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Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent

[Tino H. Haida]

Hi Karen, 

the Std-font contains only the standard latin (western) characters. 

You would need the Pro-version of this Helvetica font (=latin extended,
with Central European characters) oder the WGL4 font (includes also
Baltic, Greek and Cyrillic characters). 

Pls refer to the website of a font vendor like Linotype. 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

Karen Robbins:

> Actually, I spoke too soon. It does work for some fonts (e.g., Garamond), but 
> not others--including HelveticaNeueLT Std, the one I need. It should have all 
> the characters and glyphs that exist.
> 
> K
> 
> At 8:41 PM + 6/22/16, Craig, Alison wrote: 
> 
>> I don't know how to do it with the keyboard, but it's easy to do using File 
>> > Utilities > Character Palette (FM 12).
>> 
>> Select the font you want (eg, Arial) and go through the palette until you 
>> find "ç".
>> 
>> Alison
>> 
>> Technical Documentation Specialist
>> <mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>acr...@bkultrasound.com | <>bkultrasound.com
>> 
>> From: Framers 
>> [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Karen Robbins
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:57 PM
>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
>> 
>> I am trying to keyboard an acute accent over the letter C (as in the name
>> Mi"iç), which can be done on a Mac and in HTML but apparently not in Frame
>> on the PC. Alt+0263 doesn't work. A colleague with a versions-old FM quick
>> reference card says it confirms that couldn't be done (at least at that
>> version). Still true for v11 and forward?
>> 
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Karen
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Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml

[Tino H. Haida]

Hi Rick, 

maybe FM sees "caption" as a reserved element name.
What happens if you try with a slightly different name? 

Why don't you use simply "Title" for the table title (which FM
interprets as table title directly without r/w rule).

Rick Quatro:

> I mocked up a simple structured application to try to isolate the problem. I
> am not using any transform with this one. Whether I use my application or
> not, whatever element I specify as the Table Title element gets dropped on
> export to XML.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:47 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
> 
> Hmm .. strange. Just a stretch, but is the default for the table's format
> set to "No Title"?
> 
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/15/17 1:32 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Also, when I save to XML with no 
> application, the table title 
> (
> element) still gets dropped from the xml.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Title gets dropped on save as xml
> 
> Rick...
> 
> Is your  in a location that makes it a valid "table title" 
> from the FM perspective? That is .. it's actually in the FM table 
> object structure, not like a DITA table where the  is outside 
> the table object's structure?
> 
> I've seen this cause strangeness when you call it a "table title" but 
> it's not in the right location.
> 
> Cheers,
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/15/17 12:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi All,
> 
> I have a structured application where my table titles are  
> elements. I have  set up as a Table Title in my EDD/template 
> and I have this RW rule:
> 
> element "caption" is fm table title element;
> 
> When I save as XML using my structured application, the  
> element gets dropped and doesn't appear in the XML. I am using 
> FrameMaker 2015. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
> 585-366-4017
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Re: [Framers] Windows XP versus Windows Explorer (Ding!)

[Tino H. Haida]

... Yes, this is weird. 

Win 7 locks folders when you work with them in certain applications
(Acrobat, FrameMaker), but also with the normal Win Explorer.
The Explorer puts an invisible "thumbs.db" file into folders that have
been opened and keeps them locked. 

See https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2025703 

This problem did not occur with WIN XP (as far as I remember). But if
other colleagues are also working with the same files this may be the
reason. Or maybe the server OS keeps the files locked. 

Best Regards -- Tino Haida

> For the record, it happens from time to time on Win 7 64bit as well.
> 
> -Carla
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+cmartinek=zebra@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
> Of Ken Poshedly
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:27 PM
> To: Framers List 
> Subject: [Framers] Windows XP versus Windows Explorer (Ding!)
> 
> Here's an annoyance where two "things" on my computer simply can't get along 
> and I wonder if anyone here has any suggestions on how to stop this from 
> happening.
> 
> While my two coworkers use Windows 7, my own office platform is still 
> chugging along nicely with Windows XP. This is because in the past, we had 
> problematic FrameMaker files that crashed while being opened in Windows 7, 
> but they opened smoothly on my platform. We all use FrameMaker 11 and all of 
> our files are on a network drive. (We have never been able to figure out why 
> they opened on my platform but not the others. And my company refuses to 
> spend the few bucks on upgrading my operating system, a la "If it ain't 
> broke, don't fix it.")
> 
> Anyway, when we create a new FM book based on a previous one, we copy the 
> pertinent old FM folder (along with its subordinate Insets folder of the 
> various images) to a new location on our network drive.
> 
> Because the default name of the graphics folder is "Insets", and I don't want 
> the new FM file to reference the old Insets folder, I try to rename that old 
> one something else ("Insets - Temp" or whatever) until I have successfully 
> opened the new FM file to correctly reference the new Insets folder at the 
> new location.
> 
> Confused yet? I hope not. Anyway . . .
> 
> More often than not, when I try to rename the old Insets folder, I get a 
> pop-up box stating that no renaming can be done because another program is 
> using this folder -- but it really ain't.
> 
> I will close out every open program, re-open Windows Explorer and then once 
> more try to rename the old Insets folder, but keep getting that nagging 
> pop-up about another program using this folder.
> 
> The final action is close out everything and do a system restart. That always 
> works but it's a pain in the ass.
> 
> Isn't there a keyboard shortcut or something else I can do to prevent this 
> waste of my time (which obviously slows my productivity)?
> 
> -- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] TOC Issues in FM 11

[Tino H. Haida]

Hi Ed, 

Is there a frame inserted below the paragraph (Advanced settings)? 

Typically this frame should contain a line as object to produce an
underline in the layout. 
(The frame is defined on the Reference pages.) 
If this successfully applies to all chapters, the definition on the TOC
page should be checked. You may keep (and resize) or delete the frame
resp. change the paragraph setting. 

If this is not the scenario in your case, I do not know... 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

Ed Lightle:

> Hi, Framers.
> 
> When I add a TOC page to a book and try to add a Heading1 paragraph style at 
> the top, there is almost 2 inches of space between the Heading1 paragraph and 
> the first Heading1TOC entry. The Heading1 is also missing the underline that 
> other Heading1 styles have.
> 
> How can I fix the spacing problem?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ed Lightle
> Sr. Technical Writer
> Command Alkon
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Re: [Framers] Read-write rules for graphics

[Tino H. Haida]

Hello Roger, 

we use a setting where (almost) all elements are controlled by
FrameMaker: 

element "Graphic" {
  is fm graphic element;
} 

element "I.Graphic" {
  is fm graphic element;
  attribute "file" is fm property file;
 } 

This works very well, here an example for the XML output/input of a
Graphic element: 



- 

I do not see an error in your definitions. But you are adding many
definitions that may be redundant -- as you can see, "align", "height",
"position" and "width" do not need a special treatment.
Maybe you should start anew with the smallest possible, working setting
-- just trying to find out, what FrameMaker does in the import/export
and then adjusting it step by step. 

Best -- Tino H.Haida, Berlin 

Am 2019-09-09 20:15, schrieb Roger Shuttleworth:

> Hello All
> 
> Using FM11. I have been wrestling for a few days with read-write rules for 
> graphics. When I save my (rather simple) structured FM file as XML, all is 
> fine except for the images. All my images are imported by reference, and the 
> anchored frames contain only one image each. My rules for the  element 
> are:
> 
> element "image" {
> is fm graphic element;
> fm property import by reference or copy value is "ref";
> writer facet default {
> export dpi is 96;
> specify size in in; }
> attribute "href" {
> /* is fm attribute; */
> is fm property file;
> }
> attribute "position" {
> is fm property position;
> value "inline" is fm property value inline;
> value "break" is fm property value bottom;
> /*  value "runin" is fm property value runin; */
> }
> attribute "align" {
> is fm property alignment;
> value "left" is fm property value align left;
> value "right" is fm property value align right;
> value "center" is fm property value align center;
> value "current" is fm property value align center;
> }
> attribute "height" {
> is fm property height;
> is fm attribute;
> }
> attribute "width" {
> is fm property width;
> is fm attribute;
> }
> }
> 
> There are a couple of issues:
> 
> 1. The "href" attribute, which is defined in my EDD as arequired id,
> exports as an empty string. I need it to populate with the path to
> my referenced graphic. You will note that I have commented out one
> line of the rules, but it makes no difference. Do I have to specify
> the "href" value in FM, or should it pick up the filename
> automatically when exporting?
> 2. In the "position" attribute, the "runin" line results in an error
> when checking the rules document. Hence it too is commented out.
> However, the Developer Reference mentions "runin" as a valid value
> for the FM property, and the other values don't cause the error.
> What gives?
> 3. How do I get the XML to record the *actual* sizes of the referenced
> graphics? The sizes exported to the XML (in the height and width
> attributes) are bigger than in my FM document, so if I fiddle the
> "href" value and then reopen the doc in FM, they import in the
> larger size.
> 
> Believe me, I have scoured the Structure Dev Ref and the Developer Guide and 
> tried all kinds of permutations, but nothing works as I wish. Of course, 
> having been retired for six years my memory of these things is somewhat hazy 
> anyway...
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Roger
> 
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Re: [Framers] Character codes

[Tino H. Haida]

Hi Doug,

you would use the Code converter by Richard Ishida to find out exactly 
what characters are given.


--> https://r12a.github.io/app-conversion/

This tool is invaluable for my daily work...

Best -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

Am 2020-09-24 14:54, schrieb Doug:


Is there a way to select a character in Frame and have it tell you what
computer code it represents?  Some special characters have multiple 
codes

that will display them.

Thanks!

Doug
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