RE: Not selecting the entire word in Frame

[Heidi Bailey]

I think you just need to hold shift and press the arrow key. If you hold Ctrl 
as well, it selects the whole word.

Cheers,
Heidi

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:31:15 -0500
From: michael.schwa...@teradyne.com
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Subject: Not selecting the entire word in Frame
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I'm using Frame 10.  I work with keyboard shortcuts a lot.  When I'm editing, I 
often put the cursor in a word then hit Ctrl+Shift+left arrow, to highlight the 
part of the word I want to change.  I would have sworn that, until a few 
minutes ago, this would select only the part of the word  from the cursor to 
the beginning of the word.  But now it's selecting the entire word.  I can't 
find how to set a preference to indicate how I want Frame to behave.

In Word, there's the option When selecting, automatically select entire word. 
 I thought there was something similar in Frame.  Have I been hallucinating?

Thanks.

Michael Schwartz
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Not selecting the entire word in Frame

[Heidi Bailey]

I think you just need to hold shift and press the arrow key. If you hold Ctrl 
as well, it selects the whole word.

Cheers,
Heidi

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:31:15 -0500
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Subject: Not selecting the entire word in Frame
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I'm using Frame 10.  I work with keyboard shortcuts a lot.  When I'm editing, I 
often put the cursor in a word then hit Ctrl+Shift+left arrow, to highlight the 
part of the word I want to change.  I would have sworn that, until a few 
minutes ago, this would select only the part of the word  from the cursor to 
the beginning of the word.  But now it's selecting the entire word.  I can't 
find how to set a preference to indicate how I want Frame to behave.

In Word, there's the option "When selecting, automatically select entire word." 
 I thought there was something similar in Frame.  Have I been hallucinating?

Thanks.

Michael Schwartz
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RE: Convert A3 to A4 format

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi Rod,

I frequently have to change page size, as the project managers discuss options 
for brochures, quick starts...

If you don't want to develop a different template, you could give the following 
a bash (as suggested to me by my excellent partner):

1. Calculate the size of the text frames (including headers, footers and any on 
custom master pages) that you want in the new files.

2. Change these text frames in your original document. Yes it looks weird, but 
it saves lots of hassle after the page resize.

3. Save the file as MIF.

4. Open the MIF file in a text editor.

5. Search for PageSize, find the values that follow this string, and use 
Search+Replace to change them to the size you want.

6. Save and close the MIF file.

7. Open the MIF file in FrameMaker, check that all the page sizes are okay and 
that the text frames are where you want them.

8. Save as an FM file.

You can then use this file to import master page and page size to other files.

Hope that helps,
Heidi Bailey


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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:18:18 +1200
From: Rod Fee rod...@xtra.co.nz
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Convert A3 to A4 format
Message-ID: 010701ce4089$9aa1b830$cfe52890$@xtra.co.nz
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=US-ASCII

Hi team,

I have a novel that I set up with several master pages for different files.

The majority of these have the following frames:

-Footer
-Three text boxes that flow to following pages
-A header column for each text column

I originally set it up as A3 because I thought there would otherwise not be
enough room for  meaningful amount of text in each frame on each page.

I was wrong. Now I want to make it all A4.

When I select the files and try to change the page size to A4 it tells me
the column sizes will be all wrong  - not entirely sure how to fix this
easily. Any clues?

Regards,
Rod Fee



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Convert A3 to A4 format

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi Rod,

I frequently have to change page size, as the project managers discuss options 
for brochures, quick starts...

If you don't want to develop a different template, you could give the following 
a bash (as suggested to me by my excellent partner):

1. Calculate the size of the text frames (including headers, footers and any on 
custom master pages) that you want in the new files.

2. Change these text frames in your original document. Yes it looks weird, but 
it saves lots of hassle after the page resize.

3. Save the file as MIF.

4. Open the MIF file in a text editor.

5. Search for PageSize, find the values that follow this string, and use 
Search+Replace to change them to the size you want.

6. Save and close the MIF file.

7. Open the MIF file in FrameMaker, check that all the page sizes are okay and 
that the text frames are where you want them.

8. Save as an FM file.

You can then use this file to import master page and page size to other files.

Hope that helps,
Heidi Bailey


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OCZ Technology Ltd
25B-25C Western Avenue
Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX14 4SH
Registered in England no 7806324
Registered Address:  As Above
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:18:18 +1200
From: "Rod Fee" <rod...@xtra.co.nz>
To: 
Subject: RE: Convert A3 to A4 format
Message-ID: <010701ce4089$9aa1b830$cfe52890$@xtra.co.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="US-ASCII"

Hi team,

I have a novel that I set up with several master pages for different files.

The majority of these have the following frames:

-Footer
-Three text boxes that flow to following pages
-A header column for each text column

I originally set it up as A3 because I thought there would otherwise not be
enough room for  meaningful amount of text in each frame on each page.

I was wrong. Now I want to make it all A4.

When I select the files and try to change the page size to A4 it tells me
the column sizes will be all wrong  - not entirely sure how to fix this
easily. Any clues?

Regards,
Rod Fee



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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi Rick,
I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, I 
have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can you 
tell me which of the files in there is the right one:

Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
Mathcmds.cfg
Sample.cfg
Wincmds.cfg

Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?


Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so it 
is a pain to have to reset this each time.
I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?

Thanks,
Heidi
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
From: Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com
To: 'Syed Zaeem Hosain' syed.hos...@aeris.net,  'Alison Craig'
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com,  'Fred Ridder' docu...@hotmail.com,
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
Message-ID: 001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii

Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
these lines:

Modify MoveIPToCellAtRight KeySequence /Right 
Modify MoveIPToCellAtLeft KeySequence /Left 
Modify MoveIPToCellAbove KeySequence /Up 
Modify MoveIPToCellBelow KeySequence /Down 

Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
the arrow keys.



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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Harro de Jong [mailto:harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com]
Sent: 18 March 2013 13:50
To: Heidi Bailey
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame 
placement)

Heidi Bailey wrote:


 I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit
 folder, I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no
 customui.cfg file. Can you tell me which of the files in there is the right 
 one:

 Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...) Mathcmds.cfg
 Sample.cfg Wincmds.cfg

 Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?

configui is the correct folder name. If customui.cfg doesn't exist, you can 
create it in this folder.


 Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
 Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place
 a screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames
 left-aligned, so it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
 I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some
 way of setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?

No. I used to use QuicKeys to change this for all frames in a book, but sadly 
that isn't officially supported under Windows 7 anymore. Some people have got 
it to work though.

Harro de Jong
Triview

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RE: [JUNK] Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Oh, odd. I missed that - not helpful!
Thanks,
Heidi

-Original Message-
From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 March 2013 14:02
To: Heidi Bailey
Cc: r...@rickquatro.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [JUNK] Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing 
(graphic frame placement)
Importance: Low

I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the fminit\configui folder and it 
works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a different email, is that 
cursor navigation apparently no longer works in regular text.

Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but with his death it is, 
as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe someone has a copy they'd be 
willing to give you.

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey hbai...@ocztechnology.com wrote:
 Hi Rick,
 I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, 
 I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can 
 you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:

 Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...) Mathcmds.cfg
 Sample.cfg Wincmds.cfg

 Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?


 Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
 Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
 screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so 
 it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
 I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
 setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?

 Thanks,
 Heidi
 --

 Message: 11
 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
 From: Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com
 To: 'Syed Zaeem Hosain' syed.hos...@aeris.net,  'Alison Craig'
 alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com,  'Fred Ridder' docu...@hotmail.com,
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
 Message-ID: 001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com
 Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii

 Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor
 and add these lines:

 Modify MoveIPToCellAtRight KeySequence /Right  Modify
 MoveIPToCellAtLeft KeySequence /Left  Modify MoveIPToCellAbove
 KeySequence /Up  Modify MoveIPToCellBelow KeySequence /Down 

 Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells
 using the arrow keys.



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 OX14 4SH
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Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi Rick,
I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, I 
have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can you 
tell me which of the files in there is the right one:

Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
Mathcmds.cfg
Sample.cfg
Wincmds.cfg

Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?


Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so it 
is a pain to have to reset this each time.
I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?

Thanks,
Heidi
--

Message: 11
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
From: "Rick Quatro" 
To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" ,  "'Alison Craig'"
,  "'Fred Ridder'" ,

Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
these lines:

>
>
>
>

Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
the arrow keys.



Technical Author
OCZ Technology Ltd
25B-25C Western Avenue
Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX14 4SH
Registered in England no 7806324
Registered Address:  As Above
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Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Harro de Jong [mailto:harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com]
Sent: 18 March 2013 13:50
To: Heidi Bailey
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame 
placement)

Heidi Bailey wrote:


> I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit
> folder, I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no
> customui.cfg file. Can you tell me which of the files in there is the right 
> one:
>
> Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...) Mathcmds.cfg
> Sample.cfg Wincmds.cfg
>
> Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?

configui is the correct folder name. If customui.cfg doesn't exist, you can 
create it in this folder.


> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place
> a screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames
> left-aligned, so it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some
> way of setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?

No. I used to use QuicKeys to change this for all frames in a book, but sadly 
that isn't officially supported under Windows 7 anymore. Some people have got 
it to work though.

Harro de Jong
Triview

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[JUNK] Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Oh, odd. I missed that - not helpful!
Thanks,
Heidi

-Original Message-
From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 March 2013 14:02
To: Heidi Bailey
Cc: rick at rickquatro.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [JUNK] Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing 
(graphic frame placement)
Importance: Low

I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the fminit\configui folder and it 
works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a different email, is that 
cursor navigation apparently no longer works in regular text.

Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but with his death it is, 
as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe someone has a copy they'd be 
willing to give you.

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey  
wrote:
> Hi Rick,
> I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, 
> I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can 
> you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:
>
> Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...) Mathcmds.cfg
> Sample.cfg Wincmds.cfg
>
> Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?
>
>
> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
> screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so 
> it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
>
> Thanks,
> Heidi
> --
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> From: "Rick Quatro" 
> To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" ,  "'Alison Craig'"
> ,  "'Fred Ridder'"  hotmail.com>,
> 
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"
>
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor
> and add these lines:
>
> >  MoveIPToCellAtLeft >  > >
>
> Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells
> using the arrow keys.
>
>
>
> Technical Author
> OCZ Technology Ltd
> 25B-25C Western Avenue
> Milton Park
> Abingdon
> Oxfordshire
> OX14 4SH
> Registered in England no 7806324
> Registered Address:  As Above
> Tel: +44 (0) 1235 824900
> Fax: +44 (0) 1235 821141
> Email: hbailey at ocztechnology.com
> Web: http://www.ocztechnology.com
>
>
>
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Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks, I'll try this!
Cheers,
Heidi


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From: Fred Ridder [docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 March 2013 14:39
To: ljsims.ml at gmail.com; Heidi Bailey
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame 
placement)

One solution to this is to define the KeySequence for navigation within a table 
to use one or more modifier keys (Shift, Ctrl, or Alt) in addition to the 
cursor keys. This change does not affect the function of the unmodified cursor 
keys in regular text.

To specify a modifier key in a KeySequence string, just use a plus sign for 
Shift, a caret for Ctrl, or a tilde for Alt. The modifier key symbol(s) needs 
to appear at the start of the string with no space (i.e. immediately to the 
left of the slash). For example:
>
would define the keystroke combination for moving down a row in a table to be 
the Ctrl key plus the down arrow cursor key.

BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf 
that Adobe used to distribute in the Documentation directory of the FrameMaker 
installation. Unfortunately, this document was last updated for FrameMaker 7.0, 
and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I would hope that this 
file is still available somewhere on the Adobe website, but I suspect that may 
be over-optimistic.

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic 
> frame placement)
> From: ljsims.ml at gmail.com
> To: hbailey at ocztechnology.com
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>
> I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the fminit\configui folder
> and it works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a different
> email, is that cursor navigation apparently no longer works in regular
> text.
>
> Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but with his death
> it is, as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe someone has a copy
> they'd be willing to give you.
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey  
> wrote:
> > Hi Rick,
> > I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit 
> > folder, I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg 
> > file. Can you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:
> >
> > Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
> > Mathcmds.cfg
> > Sample.cfg
> > Wincmds.cfg
> >
> > Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?
> >
> >
> > Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> > Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
> > screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, 
> > so it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> > I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> > setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Heidi
> > --
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> > From: "Rick Quatro" 
> > To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" , "'Alison Craig'"
> > , "'Fred Ridder'" ,
> > 
> > Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> > Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
> > these lines:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
> > the arrow keys.





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Single sourcing in the the new TCS3

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi Kate,
I have experimented with the single-sourcing (FM10 to RH9) and found some of 
the same problems as you, I suspect.
The information available regarding single-sourcing is limited, bitty and 
slightly frustrating if you want to use your own CSS.
The TCS forum guys (http://groups.google.com/group/TCS-Users?hl=en) were quite 
helpful, although I'm not sure I have fully understood everything. It seems 
that there are limits to how well RH applies your CSS, so you have to use RH's 
Style Mapping features.
I haven't yet found a comprehensive (written) step-by-step procedure, but the 
TCS forum can be useful once you have absorbed all the lessons from the adobe 
tutorials at 
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=listloc=en_usproduct=RoboHelp.

Good Luck,
Heidi Bailey

-Original Message-

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:36:21 -0400
From: Katelyn Cummings k...@terrasim.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Single sourcing in the new TCS3
Message-ID: 500d5355.1030...@terrasim.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hello Framers!

I work for a relatively small company, and unfortunately I am relatively new to 
both RoboHelp and FrameMaker. My company wants to switch to having our online 
help and our user's manual to be essentially the same.
They have thought about using the single sourcing available in TCS2. I have 
been having some problems with the single sourcing and wanted to see if anyone 
has had similar problems.

1) So, first of all, is anyone out there using the interactive linking to 
single source between FrameMaker and RoboHelp? And if so, what kind of problems 
have you run into? I have run into issues with formatting.
Sometimes it just does not accept the CSS I have written even though I know the 
code is fine. I also have had problems with pictures as well as issues with the 
links crossing over. Is this a problem with the stylesheets, which I have had 
difficulty editing? Or is it a problem with how the original FrameMaker 
documents were created? Am I just an inexperienced user?  I realize you do not 
know for sure because you are not here with me, but if you had any insights 
about known issues or common problems with the single sourcing, that would be 
helpful.

2) Has anyone switch from TCS2 to TCS3 or TCS3.5 for single sourcing purposes 
and if so, why? I have been trying to determine the pros and cons, but as far 
as I can tell, there is not a lot of enhanced capability.

Any help that you all could give me would be very much appreciated.

Best,
Kate



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Single sourcing in the the new TCS3

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi Kate,
I have experimented with the single-sourcing (FM10 to RH9) and found some of 
the same problems as you, I suspect.
The information available regarding single-sourcing is limited, bitty and 
slightly frustrating if you want to use your own CSS.
The TCS forum guys (http://groups.google.com/group/TCS-Users?hl=en) were quite 
helpful, although I'm not sure I have fully understood everything. It seems 
that there are limits to how well RH applies your CSS, so you have to use RH's 
Style Mapping features.
I haven't yet found a comprehensive (written) step-by-step procedure, but the 
TCS forum can be useful once you have absorbed all the lessons from the adobe 
tutorials at 
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=list=en_us=RoboHelp.

Good Luck,
Heidi Bailey

-Original Message-

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:36:21 -0400
From: Katelyn Cummings <k...@terrasim.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Single sourcing in the new TCS3
Message-ID: <500D5355.1030107 at terrasim.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hello Framers!

I work for a relatively small company, and unfortunately I am relatively new to 
both RoboHelp and FrameMaker. My company wants to switch to having our online 
help and our user's manual to be essentially the same.
They have thought about using the single sourcing available in TCS2. I have 
been having some problems with the single sourcing and wanted to see if anyone 
has had similar problems.

1) So, first of all, is anyone out there using the interactive linking to 
single source between FrameMaker and RoboHelp? And if so, what kind of problems 
have you run into? I have run into issues with formatting.
Sometimes it just does not accept the CSS I have written even though I know the 
code is fine. I also have had problems with pictures as well as issues with the 
links crossing over. Is this a problem with the stylesheets, which I have had 
difficulty editing? Or is it a problem with how the original FrameMaker 
documents were created? Am I just an inexperienced user?  I realize you do not 
know for sure because you are not here with me, but if you had any insights 
about known issues or common problems with the single sourcing, that would be 
helpful.

2) Has anyone switch from TCS2 to TCS3 or TCS3.5 for single sourcing purposes 
and if so, why? I have been trying to determine the pros and cons, but as far 
as I can tell, there is not a lot of enhanced capability.

Any help that you all could give me would be very much appreciated.

Best,
Kate



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One Gateway Center, Suite 2050 (412) 232-3646  EXT 23
420 Fort Duquesne Blvd (412) 232-3649 (FAX)
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Thanks for the table to FM/PDF suggestions

[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks to everyone who has given me suggestions so far.
I am trying to get a bit more info about the back end, and also will 
investigate some of the suggestions.

If you kind people don't hear from me for a while, it's because I'm trying 
stuff out (and doing some writing work :-).
Cheers,

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

PLX Technology Ltd
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:? As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbailey at plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com

Simplify getting table-based data to FM / PDF

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,

Apologies for the length of my query: I don't know how to put it more 
succinctly!

I wonder if anyone has ideas on how to improve a process for taking table-based 
information (from .reg files, saved to HTML then converted to Word) into 
FrameMaker and finally made into PDF (as part of a large book).

The source info is created by many people typing into mysterious files and 
parsed by coding. I have no access to these tables or the coding and  no 
ability to maintain either. But they are very well looked after by an 
intelligent and helpful techie.
The source info is highly structured and suitable for keeping in a database.
In the smallest instance, the source info translates to 250 A4 pages of tables. 
In the largest instance (so far), the source info translates to 900 A4 pages.
The source is used by many people and only specific parts of it are taken into 
the book. It is in effect conditionalised so that the view of it I convert only 
shows the parts I need.

Currently I have to: 
-open the .reg page in IE
-save as HTML
-open in Word and save as Word
-open the Word file in FM
-apply FM template
-run a (fabulously helpful) Framescript to tidy everything up
-create a LoP for various headings in the converted file
-create a few cross refs to places in the converted file
-do the book and PDF things you usually have to do.

Specifically, I am looking for a swifter way to get from source info to either 
FM or PDF. This means I would like suggestions on:
- formats the source info could be in, that quickly and accurately convert to 
FM or PDF
- if going from source straight to PDF, suggestions on how to deal with the LoP 
and cross refs plus formatting to match the FM template (tools or automation 
routes)

As I have to add navigation (such as cross refs and the LoP), I suspect that 
there isn't a better way than using FM. Fine by me, but I'm open to ideas.

No, I can't train the source inputters to use FM - it's hard enough training 
them to spell...

Please reply directly to me, as I'm on digest.

Thanks,

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

PLX Technology Ltd
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbai...@plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com


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[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks to everyone who has given me suggestions so far.
I am trying to get a bit more info about the back end, and also will 
investigate some of the suggestions.

If you kind people don't hear from me for a while, it's because I'm trying 
stuff out (and doing some writing work :-).
Cheers,

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

PLX Technology Ltd
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbai...@plxtech.com
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Simplify getting table-based data to FM / PDF

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,

Apologies for the length of my query: I don't know how to put it more 
succinctly!

I wonder if anyone has ideas on how to improve a process for taking table-based 
information (from .reg files, saved to HTML then converted to Word) into 
FrameMaker and finally made into PDF (as part of a large book).

The source info is created by many people typing into mysterious files and 
parsed by coding. I have no access to these tables or the coding and  no 
ability to maintain either. But they are very well looked after by an 
intelligent and helpful techie.
The source info is highly structured and suitable for keeping in a database.
In the smallest instance, the source info translates to 250 A4 pages of tables. 
In the largest instance (so far), the source info translates to 900 A4 pages.
The source is used by many people and only specific parts of it are taken into 
the book. It is in effect conditionalised so that the view of it I convert only 
shows the parts I need.

Currently I have to: 
-open the .reg page in IE
-save as HTML
-open in Word and save as Word
-open the Word file in FM
-apply FM template
-run a (fabulously helpful) Framescript to tidy everything up
-create a LoP for various headings in the converted file
-create a few cross refs to places in the converted file
-do the book and PDF things you usually have to do.

Specifically, I am looking for a swifter way to get from source info to either 
FM or PDF. This means I would like suggestions on:
- formats the source info could be in, that quickly and accurately convert to 
FM or PDF
- if going from source straight to PDF, suggestions on how to deal with the LoP 
and cross refs plus formatting to match the FM template (tools or automation 
routes)

As I have to add navigation (such as cross refs and the LoP), I suspect that 
there isn't a better way than using FM. Fine by me, but I'm open to ideas.

No, I can't train the source inputters to use FM - it's hard enough training 
them to spell...

Please reply directly to me, as I'm on digest.

Thanks,

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

PLX Technology Ltd
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:? As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbailey at plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com

RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track Changes facility

[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks, but that doesn't explain why condition C shows and hides
successfully, even when it also has the track changes condition
applied... 

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: 30 March 2010 16:11
To: Heidi Bailey; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track
Changes facility

Heidi Bailey wrote: 
 
 FM8p277, Windows XP.
 
 I have a document with 3 conditions in: call them A, B and C for ease.

 I add text with the Track Changes facility on, so that reviewers can 
 see what's new. I then apply the relevant conditions to relevant 
 words/numbers/sentences.
 
 Then I set just condition A text to show, so that I can make a pdf
file.
 However, condition A and B text is showing! Condition C seems to 
 behave as you'd expect: the condition C text only displays when you 
 set it to show.
 For example, a table cell has the entry 108.00, where condition A 
 applies to the 10 (so the entry for A should show 10.00) and condition

 B applies to the 8 (so the entry for B should show 8.00). Instead it 
 shows 108.00.
 
 I checked that I had the right condition set to show, and that the 
 text only had the right condition applied. The problem persisted.
 
 The only way I have found to eliminate the problem is to accept the 
 tracked change on the bits of text that don't behave as expected. The 
 conditions A and B remain on the text, and then display correctly when

 set to show.
 
 Anyone else seen this? Anyone got any suggested workarounds? My 
 reviewers would like to see which characters have changed, which is 
 why we use this rather than just change bars.

I don't have much experience with Track Changes, but I'm pretty sure it
relies on a couple of additional under the covers conditions to mark
inserted and deleted text. So when you insert 10 and apply condition A
to it, it's really got two conditions applied, A and Inserted. When you
tell FM to hide A, but haven't accepted the changes, the Inserted
condition is still set to display. So FM displays the 10 because
you're telling it to. :-)

BTW, most people who use conditional text will advise you not to
conditionalize on as granular a level as you're using -- it's just
asking for trouble. If it were me, I'd put 10.00 and 8.00 in
separate paragraphs and conditionalize the paragraphs (not that it would
help with your issue, other than making what's displayed less
confusing). 


Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track Changes facility

[Heidi Bailey]

Very interesting! I'll test the different views and see what happens.
Thank you for the hints!
Cheers,
Heidi 

-Original Message-
From: Reng, Dr. Winfried [mailto:wr...@tycoint.com] 
Sent: 31 March 2010 08:31
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Heidi Bailey
Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track
Changesfacility

Hi Heidi,

I have the very same FrameMaker version (although on Windows 2000).
I did exactly what you said:
Created 3 conditions A, B, C.
Enabled Track Text Edits.
Added text 108.00. I also added this text in a table cell.
Then applied condition A to 10 and condition B to 8.
Then I hid all conditions except A.
Result: 10.00
Then I hid all conditions except B.
Result: 8.00
Then I switched on Preview Final. Then the green colour of the Track
Text Edits feature disappeared.
Everything worked as expected.

However, I opened the file again and displayed everything again with
Preview off.
Then I switched on Preview Final and hid all conditions except A.
My result was: .00 (the contrary to your observation) The same with B.

Therefore the show/hide settings do not work correctly, when you switch
on Preview Final before you hide your conditions.

I append my test file.

Best regards

Winfried

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Heidi 
 Bailey
 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:03 AM
 To: Combs, Richard
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track 
 Changes facility
 
 Thanks, but that doesn't explain why condition C shows and hides 
 successfully, even when it also has the track changes condition 
 applied...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
 Sent: 30 March 2010 16:11
 To: Heidi Bailey; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track 
 Changes facility
 
 Heidi Bailey wrote: 
  
  FM8p277, Windows XP.
  
  I have a document with 3 conditions in: call them A, B and
 C for ease.
 
  I add text with the Track Changes facility on, so that
 reviewers can
  see what's new. I then apply the relevant conditions to relevant 
  words/numbers/sentences.
  
  Then I set just condition A text to show, so that I can make a pdf
 file.
  However, condition A and B text is showing! Condition C seems to 
  behave as you'd expect: the condition C text only displays when you 
  set it to show.
  For example, a table cell has the entry 108.00, where condition A 
  applies to the 10 (so the entry for A should show 10.00)
 and condition
 
  B applies to the 8 (so the entry for B should show 8.00). 
 Instead it
  shows 108.00.
  
  I checked that I had the right condition set to show, and that the 
  text only had the right condition applied. The problem persisted.
  
  The only way I have found to eliminate the problem is to accept the 
  tracked change on the bits of text that don't behave as
 expected. The
  conditions A and B remain on the text, and then display
 correctly when
 
  set to show.
  
  Anyone else seen this? Anyone got any suggested workarounds? My 
  reviewers would like to see which characters have changed, which is 
  why we use this rather than just change bars.
 
 I don't have much experience with Track Changes, but I'm pretty sure 
 it relies on a couple of additional under the covers conditions to 
 mark inserted and deleted text. So when you insert 10 and apply 
 condition A to it, it's really got two conditions applied, A and 
 Inserted. When you tell FM to hide A, but haven't accepted the 
 changes, the Inserted condition is still set to display. So FM 
 displays the 10 because you're telling it to. :-)
 
 BTW, most people who use conditional text will advise you not to 
 conditionalize on as granular a level as you're using -- it's just 
 asking for trouble. If it were me, I'd put 10.00 and 8.00 in 
 separate paragraphs and conditionalize the paragraphs (not that it 
 would help with your issue, other than making what's displayed less 
 confusing).
 
 
 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
 Polycom, Inc.
 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
 303-223-5111
 --
 rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
 303-777-0436
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RE: CLOSED: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track Changes facility

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,

I think you have hit on the right answer. I don't normally touch the
Preview buttons, assuming that it is set to Off. But the wrong one must
have been selected when hiding conditions.

So: ensure Preview Off is selected BEFORE hiding conditional text!

Many thanks,
Heidi 

-Original Message-
From: Reng, Dr. Winfried [mailto:wr...@tycoint.com] 
Sent: 31 March 2010 08:31
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Heidi Bailey
Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track
Changesfacility

Hi Heidi,

I have the very same FrameMaker version (although on Windows 2000).
I did exactly what you said:
Created 3 conditions A, B, C.
Enabled Track Text Edits.
Added text 108.00. I also added this text in a table cell.
Then applied condition A to 10 and condition B to 8.
Then I hid all conditions except A.
Result: 10.00
Then I hid all conditions except B.
Result: 8.00
Then I switched on Preview Final. Then the green colour of the Track
Text Edits feature disappeared.
Everything worked as expected.

However, I opened the file again and displayed everything again with
Preview off.
Then I switched on Preview Final and hid all conditions except A.
My result was: .00 (the contrary to your observation) The same with B.

Therefore the show/hide settings do not work correctly, when you switch
on Preview Final before you hide your conditions.

I append my test file.

Best regards

Winfried

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Heidi 
 Bailey
 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:03 AM
 To: Combs, Richard
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track 
 Changes facility
 
 Thanks, but that doesn't explain why condition C shows and hides 
 successfully, even when it also has the track changes condition 
 applied...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
 Sent: 30 March 2010 16:11
 To: Heidi Bailey; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track 
 Changes facility
 
 Heidi Bailey wrote: 
  
  FM8p277, Windows XP.
  
  I have a document with 3 conditions in: call them A, B and
 C for ease.
 
  I add text with the Track Changes facility on, so that
 reviewers can
  see what's new. I then apply the relevant conditions to relevant 
  words/numbers/sentences.
  
  Then I set just condition A text to show, so that I can make a pdf
 file.
  However, condition A and B text is showing! Condition C seems to 
  behave as you'd expect: the condition C text only displays when you 
  set it to show.
  For example, a table cell has the entry 108.00, where condition A 
  applies to the 10 (so the entry for A should show 10.00)
 and condition
 
  B applies to the 8 (so the entry for B should show 8.00). 
 Instead it
  shows 108.00.
  
  I checked that I had the right condition set to show, and that the 
  text only had the right condition applied. The problem persisted.
  
  The only way I have found to eliminate the problem is to accept the 
  tracked change on the bits of text that don't behave as
 expected. The
  conditions A and B remain on the text, and then display
 correctly when
 
  set to show.
  
  Anyone else seen this? Anyone got any suggested workarounds? My 
  reviewers would like to see which characters have changed, which is 
  why we use this rather than just change bars.
 
 I don't have much experience with Track Changes, but I'm pretty sure 
 it relies on a couple of additional under the covers conditions to 
 mark inserted and deleted text. So when you insert 10 and apply 
 condition A to it, it's really got two conditions applied, A and 
 Inserted. When you tell FM to hide A, but haven't accepted the 
 changes, the Inserted condition is still set to display. So FM 
 displays the 10 because you're telling it to. :-)
 
 BTW, most people who use conditional text will advise you not to 
 conditionalize on as granular a level as you're using -- it's just 
 asking for trouble. If it were me, I'd put 10.00 and 8.00 in 
 separate paragraphs and conditionalize the paragraphs (not that it 
 would help with your issue, other than making what's displayed less 
 confusing).
 
 
 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
 Polycom, Inc.
 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
 303-223-5111
 --
 rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
 303-777-0436
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RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track Changesfacility

[Heidi Bailey]

The simplified response I would give to anyone working with
conditionalised text: always work with your conditions set to SHOW, so
you can see where conditionalised text is, and can select just the bit
you want without selecting markers for hidden stuff by accident.
 
I always have done this, and hide the conditions I want hidden before
doing a pagination check followed by pdf creation.
 
Cheers,
Heidi



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 31 March 2010 14:29
To: Heidi Bailey; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track
Changesfacility



But do please consider the piece of advice that Richard offered in his
original response to avoid conditionalize such small units of content.
Conditionalizing single characters rather than the whole word (or in
your case number) that contains them really makes it *much* more
diffucult to maintain the document and to see when the conditions are
not displaying correctly. Some of us who have had to live with highly
conditionalized documents have gone so far as to always conditionalize
the complete sentence when there is more than one conditional difference
within the sentence.
Conditionalizing single characters requires a high degree of fussiness
in making selections before applying the condition. It is *much* easier
to double-click a word to select the whole thing and then apply the
condition.
When you have 2 or 3 conditions applied to the same word, it is easy to
accidentally delete the marker for one of the hidden conditions,
breaking the sentence in a way that is hard to see.
When you conditionalize individual characters, it is not obvious when
the show/hide logic is acting up and it often requires a *very* close
reading to detect the errors. In your example, 108.00 does not look like
an error unless you are really familiar with the material to know that
the value is out of range. Only one specific error case (the case
Winfried described where neither conditions is shown) produces a fairly
obvoius result, but even in the case of .00 you still have to be
reading closely to see it. If you conditionalize the whole string
10.00 with condition A and the whoe string 8.00 with condition C,
you will get nothing at all if neither condition shows and something
clearly anomalous like 10.008.00 or 8.0010.00 if boith conditions
show.
-Fred Ridder


 Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track
Changes facility
 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:35:00 -0700
 From: hbai...@plxtech.com
 To: wr...@tycoint.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Very interesting! I'll test the different views and see what happens.
 Thank you for the hints!
 Cheers,
 Heidi 


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Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track Changes facility

[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks, but that doesn't explain why condition C shows and hides
successfully, even when it also has the track changes condition
applied... 

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: 30 March 2010 16:11
To: Heidi Bailey; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track
Changes facility

Heidi Bailey wrote: 

> FM8p277, Windows XP.
> 
> I have a document with 3 conditions in: call them A, B and C for ease.

> I add text with the Track Changes facility on, so that reviewers can 
> see what's new. I then apply the relevant conditions to relevant 
> words/numbers/sentences.
> 
> Then I set just condition A text to show, so that I can make a pdf
file.
> However, condition A and B text is showing! Condition C seems to 
> behave as you'd expect: the condition C text only displays when you 
> set it to show.
> For example, a table cell has the entry 108.00, where condition A 
> applies to the 10 (so the entry for A should show 10.00) and condition

> B applies to the 8 (so the entry for B should show 8.00). Instead it 
> shows 108.00.
> 
> I checked that I had the right condition set to show, and that the 
> text only had the right condition applied. The problem persisted.
> 
> The only way I have found to eliminate the problem is to accept the 
> tracked change on the bits of text that don't behave as expected. The 
> conditions A and B remain on the text, and then display correctly when

> set to show.
> 
> Anyone else seen this? Anyone got any suggested workarounds? My 
> reviewers would like to see which characters have changed, which is 
> why we use this rather than just change bars.

I don't have much experience with Track Changes, but I'm pretty sure it
relies on a couple of additional "under the covers" conditions to mark
inserted and deleted text. So when you insert "10" and apply condition A
to it, it's really got two conditions applied, A and Inserted. When you
tell FM to hide A, but haven't accepted the changes, the Inserted
condition is still set to display. So FM displays the "10" because
you're telling it to. :-)

BTW, most people who use conditional text will advise you not to
conditionalize on as granular a level as you're using -- it's just
asking for trouble. If it were me, I'd put "10.00" and "8.00" in
separate paragraphs and conditionalize the paragraphs (not that it would
help with your issue, other than making what's displayed less
confusing). 


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track Changes facility

[Heidi Bailey]

Very interesting! I'll test the different views and see what happens.
Thank you for the hints!
Cheers,
Heidi 

-Original Message-
From: Reng, Dr. Winfried [mailto:wr...@tycoint.com] 
Sent: 31 March 2010 08:31
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Heidi Bailey
Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track
Changesfacility

Hi Heidi,

I have the very same FrameMaker version (although on Windows 2000).
I did exactly what you said:
Created 3 conditions A, B, C.
Enabled "Track Text Edits".
Added text "108.00". I also added this text in a table cell.
Then applied condition A to 10 and condition B to 8.
Then I hid all conditions except A.
Result: 10.00
Then I hid all conditions except B.
Result: 8.00
Then I switched on "Preview Final". Then the green colour of the "Track
Text Edits" feature disappeared.
Everything worked as expected.

However, I opened the file again and displayed everything again with
Preview off.
Then I switched on "Preview Final" and hid all conditions except A.
My result was: .00 (the contrary to your observation) The same with B.

Therefore the show/hide settings do not work correctly, when you switch
on "Preview Final" before you hide your conditions.

I append my test file.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Heidi 
> Bailey
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:03 AM
> To: Combs, Richard
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track 
> Changes facility
> 
> Thanks, but that doesn't explain why condition C shows and hides 
> successfully, even when it also has the track changes condition 
> applied...
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.combs at Polycom.com]
> Sent: 30 March 2010 16:11
> To: Heidi Bailey; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track 
> Changes facility
> 
> Heidi Bailey wrote: 
>  
> > FM8p277, Windows XP.
> > 
> > I have a document with 3 conditions in: call them A, B and
> C for ease.
> 
> > I add text with the Track Changes facility on, so that
> reviewers can
> > see what's new. I then apply the relevant conditions to relevant 
> > words/numbers/sentences.
> > 
> > Then I set just condition A text to show, so that I can make a pdf
> file.
> > However, condition A and B text is showing! Condition C seems to 
> > behave as you'd expect: the condition C text only displays when you 
> > set it to show.
> > For example, a table cell has the entry 108.00, where condition A 
> > applies to the 10 (so the entry for A should show 10.00)
> and condition
> 
> > B applies to the 8 (so the entry for B should show 8.00). 
> Instead it
> > shows 108.00.
> > 
> > I checked that I had the right condition set to show, and that the 
> > text only had the right condition applied. The problem persisted.
> > 
> > The only way I have found to eliminate the problem is to accept the 
> > tracked change on the bits of text that don't behave as
> expected. The
> > conditions A and B remain on the text, and then display
> correctly when
> 
> > set to show.
> > 
> > Anyone else seen this? Anyone got any suggested workarounds? My 
> > reviewers would like to see which characters have changed, which is 
> > why we use this rather than just change bars.
> 
> I don't have much experience with Track Changes, but I'm pretty sure 
> it relies on a couple of additional "under the covers" conditions to 
> mark inserted and deleted text. So when you insert "10" and apply 
> condition A to it, it's really got two conditions applied, A and 
> Inserted. When you tell FM to hide A, but haven't accepted the 
> changes, the Inserted condition is still set to display. So FM 
> displays the "10" because you're telling it to. :-)
> 
> BTW, most people who use conditional text will advise you not to 
> conditionalize on as granular a level as you're using -- it's just 
> asking for trouble. If it were me, I'd put "10.00" and "8.00" in 
> separate paragraphs and conditionalize the paragraphs (not that it 
> would help with your issue, other than making what's displayed less 
> confusing).
> 
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> --

CLOSED: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track Changes facility

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,

I think you have hit on the right answer. I don't normally touch the
Preview buttons, assuming that it is set to Off. But the wrong one must
have been selected when hiding conditions.

So: ensure Preview Off is selected BEFORE hiding conditional text!

Many thanks,
Heidi 

-Original Message-
From: Reng, Dr. Winfried [mailto:wr...@tycoint.com] 
Sent: 31 March 2010 08:31
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Heidi Bailey
Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track
Changesfacility

Hi Heidi,

I have the very same FrameMaker version (although on Windows 2000).
I did exactly what you said:
Created 3 conditions A, B, C.
Enabled "Track Text Edits".
Added text "108.00". I also added this text in a table cell.
Then applied condition A to 10 and condition B to 8.
Then I hid all conditions except A.
Result: 10.00
Then I hid all conditions except B.
Result: 8.00
Then I switched on "Preview Final". Then the green colour of the "Track
Text Edits" feature disappeared.
Everything worked as expected.

However, I opened the file again and displayed everything again with
Preview off.
Then I switched on "Preview Final" and hid all conditions except A.
My result was: .00 (the contrary to your observation) The same with B.

Therefore the show/hide settings do not work correctly, when you switch
on "Preview Final" before you hide your conditions.

I append my test file.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Heidi 
> Bailey
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:03 AM
> To: Combs, Richard
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track 
> Changes facility
> 
> Thanks, but that doesn't explain why condition C shows and hides 
> successfully, even when it also has the track changes condition 
> applied...
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.combs at Polycom.com]
> Sent: 30 March 2010 16:11
> To: Heidi Bailey; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track 
> Changes facility
> 
> Heidi Bailey wrote: 
>  
> > FM8p277, Windows XP.
> > 
> > I have a document with 3 conditions in: call them A, B and
> C for ease.
> 
> > I add text with the Track Changes facility on, so that
> reviewers can
> > see what's new. I then apply the relevant conditions to relevant 
> > words/numbers/sentences.
> > 
> > Then I set just condition A text to show, so that I can make a pdf
> file.
> > However, condition A and B text is showing! Condition C seems to 
> > behave as you'd expect: the condition C text only displays when you 
> > set it to show.
> > For example, a table cell has the entry 108.00, where condition A 
> > applies to the 10 (so the entry for A should show 10.00)
> and condition
> 
> > B applies to the 8 (so the entry for B should show 8.00). 
> Instead it
> > shows 108.00.
> > 
> > I checked that I had the right condition set to show, and that the 
> > text only had the right condition applied. The problem persisted.
> > 
> > The only way I have found to eliminate the problem is to accept the 
> > tracked change on the bits of text that don't behave as
> expected. The
> > conditions A and B remain on the text, and then display
> correctly when
> 
> > set to show.
> > 
> > Anyone else seen this? Anyone got any suggested workarounds? My 
> > reviewers would like to see which characters have changed, which is 
> > why we use this rather than just change bars.
> 
> I don't have much experience with Track Changes, but I'm pretty sure 
> it relies on a couple of additional "under the covers" conditions to 
> mark inserted and deleted text. So when you insert "10" and apply 
> condition A to it, it's really got two conditions applied, A and 
> Inserted. When you tell FM to hide A, but haven't accepted the 
> changes, the Inserted condition is still set to display. So FM 
> displays the "10" because you're telling it to. :-)
> 
> BTW, most people who use conditional text will advise you not to 
> conditionalize on as granular a level as you're using -- it's just 
> asking for trouble. If it were me, I'd put "10.00" and "8.00" in 
> separate paragraphs and conditionalize the paragraphs (not that it 
> would help with your issue, other than making what's displayed less 
> confusing).
> 
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> --

Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track Changesfacility

[Heidi Bailey]

The simplified response I would give to anyone working with
conditionalised text: always work with your conditions set to SHOW, so
you can see where conditionalised text is, and can select just the bit
you want without selecting markers for hidden stuff by accident.

I always have done this, and hide the conditions I want hidden before
doing a pagination check followed by pdf creation.

Cheers,
Heidi



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 31 March 2010 14:29
To: Heidi Bailey; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track
Changesfacility



But do please consider the piece of advice that Richard offered in his
original response to avoid conditionalize such small units of content.
Conditionalizing single characters rather than the whole word (or in
your case number) that contains them really makes it *much* more
diffucult to maintain the document and to see when the conditions are
not displaying correctly. Some of us who have had to live with highly
conditionalized documents have gone so far as to always conditionalize
the complete sentence when there is more than one conditional difference
within the sentence.
Conditionalizing single characters requires a high degree of fussiness
in making selections before applying the condition. It is *much* easier
to double-click a word to select the whole thing and then apply the
condition.
When you have 2 or 3 conditions applied to the same word, it is easy to
accidentally delete the marker for one of the hidden conditions,
breaking the sentence in a way that is hard to see.
When you conditionalize individual characters, it is not obvious when
the show/hide logic is acting up and it often requires a *very* close
reading to detect the errors. In your example, 108.00 does not look like
an error unless you are really familiar with the material to know that
the value is out of range. Only one specific error case (the case
Winfried described where neither conditions is shown) produces a fairly
obvoius result, but even in the case of ".00" you still have to be
reading closely to see it. If you conditionalize the whole string
"10.00" with condition A and the whoe string "8.00" with condition C,
you will get nothing at all if neither condition shows and something
clearly anomalous like "10.008.00" or "8.0010.00" if boith conditions
show.
-Fred Ridder


> Subject: RE: Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track
Changes facility
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:35:00 -0700
> From: HBailey at PLXTech.com
> To: wreng at tycoint.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Very interesting! I'll test the different views and see what happens.
> Thank you for the hints!
> Cheers,
> Heidi 

Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track Changes facility

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi all,

FM8p277, Windows XP.

I have a document with 3 conditions in: call them A, B and C for ease. I
add text with the Track Changes facility on, so that reviewers can see
what's new. I then apply the relevant conditions to relevant
words/numbers/sentences.

Then I set just condition A text to show, so that I can make a pdf file.
However, condition A and B text is showing! Condition C seems to behave
as you'd expect: the condition C text only displays when you set it to
show.
For example, a table cell has the entry 108.00, where condition A
applies to the 10 (so the entry for A should show 10.00) and condition B
applies to the 8 (so the entry for B should show 8.00). Instead it shows
108.00.

I checked that I had the right condition set to show, and that the text
only had the right condition applied. The problem persisted.

The only way I have found to eliminate the problem is to accept the
tracked change on the bits of text that don't behave as expected. The
conditions A and B remain on the text, and then display correctly when
set to show.

Anyone else seen this? Anyone got any suggested workarounds? My
reviewers would like to see which characters have changed, which is why
we use this rather than just change bars.

Thanks,

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

Oxford Semiconductor, Ltd
A Subsidiary of PLX Technology, Inc.
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX 14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbai...@plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com
 
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Wrong conditional text displaying when using FM Track Changes facility

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi all,

FM8p277, Windows XP.

I have a document with 3 conditions in: call them A, B and C for ease. I
add text with the Track Changes facility on, so that reviewers can see
what's new. I then apply the relevant conditions to relevant
words/numbers/sentences.

Then I set just condition A text to show, so that I can make a pdf file.
However, condition A and B text is showing! Condition C seems to behave
as you'd expect: the condition C text only displays when you set it to
show.
For example, a table cell has the entry 108.00, where condition A
applies to the 10 (so the entry for A should show 10.00) and condition B
applies to the 8 (so the entry for B should show 8.00). Instead it shows
108.00.

I checked that I had the right condition set to show, and that the text
only had the right condition applied. The problem persisted.

The only way I have found to eliminate the problem is to accept the
tracked change on the bits of text that don't behave as expected. The
conditions A and B remain on the text, and then display correctly when
set to show.

Anyone else seen this? Anyone got any suggested workarounds? My
reviewers would like to see which characters have changed, which is why
we use this rather than just change bars.

Thanks,

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

Oxford Semiconductor, Ltd
A Subsidiary of PLX Technology, Inc.
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX 14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbailey at plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com

Unable to select etc variable

[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks to Rick and Richard for helpful workarounds!

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

Oxford Semiconductor, Ltd
A Subsidiary of PLX Technology, Inc.
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX 14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbai...@plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com
 
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[Heidi Bailey]

 
Sorry, and Art too!

-Original Message-
From: Heidi Bailey 
Sent: 02 February 2010 08:32
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Unable to select etc variable

Thanks to Rick and Richard for helpful workarounds!

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

Oxford Semiconductor, Ltd
A Subsidiary of PLX Technology, Inc.
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX 14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

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RE: Cannot select etc

[Heidi Bailey]

 Now that is very interesting!
Thank you for that snippet. The only other theory I had was that using
View - Hide/Show conditionalised Text (with all files in a book window
selected) might somehow delete the text.

I shall test out your discovery, as that could explain it in several
cases I can think of.

Vielen Dank!

Heidi


Message: 8
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:03:11 +
From: Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.com
Subject: RE: Unable to select, conditionalise,  hide/show a variable in
a   text frame on left of master page
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:

68dd39f76c80934fa7b401f68f3f8b2c6b65cf1...@ukstr1ex00025.tycofs.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi,

I do not know, if this is related to your problem.
I noticed a problem when importing the page layout with
hidden text. I have a footer with text draft and the
exact time. This text has a condition draft. When I
hide this condition and import the page layout into
another file, the hidden text is not imported. If the
condition is shown, the text is imported.

Best regards

Winfried

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Unable to select etc variable

[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks to Rick and Richard for helpful workarounds!

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

Oxford Semiconductor, Ltd
A Subsidiary of PLX Technology, Inc.
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX 14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbailey at plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com

FW: Unable to select etc variable

[Heidi Bailey]

Sorry, and Art too!

-Original Message-
From: Heidi Bailey 
Sent: 02 February 2010 08:32
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Unable to select etc variable

Thanks to Rick and Richard for helpful workarounds!

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

Oxford Semiconductor, Ltd
A Subsidiary of PLX Technology, Inc.
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX 14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbailey at plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com

Cannot select etc

[Heidi Bailey]

 Now that is very interesting!
Thank you for that snippet. The only other theory I had was that using
View - Hide/Show conditionalised Text (with all files in a book window
selected) might somehow delete the text.

I shall test out your discovery, as that could explain it in several
cases I can think of.

Vielen Dank!

Heidi


Message: 8
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:03:11 +
From: "Reng, Dr. Winfried" 
Subject: RE: Unable to select, conditionalise,  hide/show a variable in
a   text frame on left of master page
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Message-ID:

<68DD39F76C80934FA7B401F68F3F8B2C6B65CF1160 at UKSTR1EX00025.TYCOFS.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi,

I do not know, if this is related to your problem.
I noticed a problem when importing the page layout with
hidden text. I have a footer with text "draft" and the
exact time. This text has a condition "draft". When I
hide this condition and import the page layout into
another file, the hidden text is not imported. If the
condition is shown, the text is imported.

Best regards

Winfried

Unable to select, conditionalise, hide/show a variable in a text frame on left of master page

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,
Sorry for the long subject title, but this one is a bit hard to
summarise.

Windows XP, SP3, FM8p277.
This was all re-installed in the last few days, thanks to my PC
self-destructing. The problems existed before the crash and are just as
annoying now.

I have a vertical text frame on each master page (horizontal text frame
rotated through 90Deg), which I use for watermarking. The text frame has
a single paragraph (with tag Watermark applied). 
The paragraph contains a single-word variable (called Watermark), which
says something like Draft or Approval.
The variable should have condition Watermark applied, which I can then
hide or show as needed.

In some of my documents, and now all of my template files, The watermark
text frame misbehaves, particularly when placed on the LEFT of a page
(not so much when it's on the right). Experimentation by someone with a
great deal of patience reveals that the problem arises if the text frame
is within 2.75 inches of the left margin.

The misbehaviour is manifested as:

-Text frame on LEFT of page: When trying to hide conditionalised
variable text, the variable is completely deleted, or the condition is
removed and the text not hidden.

-Text frame on LEFT of page: When trying to select the variable, you
cannot single-click it to select, nor double-click it to open the
Variables dialog box. You can select the whole paragraph by
triple-clicking, but I usually only want to select the variable. You can
select the variable (according to my patient friend) by placing the
cursor before the variable, then holding dhow Shift + pressing the right
arrow key.

-Text frame on RIGHT of page: Works perfectly normally when it comes to
selecting. However, the removal of condition and/or variable does
sometimes happen. 

I can send anyone willing to look at it a copy of misbehaving file. But
if you have any idea of what to check, please let me know. Various
things have been tried (such as turning off sidehead area, changing size
of text frame and paragraph text, moving text frame to where things
start to work again...).

All help gratefully received!
Cheers,

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

Oxford Semiconductor, Ltd
A Subsidiary of PLX Technology, Inc.
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX 14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbai...@plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com
 
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Unable to select, conditionalise, hide/show a variable in a text frame on left of master page

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,
Sorry for the long subject title, but this one is a bit hard to
summarise.

Windows XP, SP3, FM8p277.
This was all re-installed in the last few days, thanks to my PC
self-destructing. The problems existed before the crash and are just as
annoying now.

I have a vertical text frame on each master page (horizontal text frame
rotated through 90Deg), which I use for watermarking. The text frame has
a single paragraph (with tag Watermark applied). 
The paragraph contains a single-word variable (called Watermark), which
says something like "Draft" or "Approval".
The variable should have condition Watermark applied, which I can then
hide or show as needed.

In some of my documents, and now all of my template files, The watermark
text frame misbehaves, particularly when placed on the LEFT of a page
(not so much when it's on the right). Experimentation by someone with a
great deal of patience reveals that the problem arises if the text frame
is within 2.75 inches of the left margin.

The misbehaviour is manifested as:

-Text frame on LEFT of page: When trying to hide conditionalised
variable text, the variable is completely deleted, or the condition is
removed and the text not hidden.

-Text frame on LEFT of page: When trying to select the variable, you
cannot single-click it to select, nor double-click it to open the
Variables dialog box. You can select the whole paragraph by
triple-clicking, but I usually only want to select the variable. You can
select the variable (according to my patient friend) by placing the
cursor before the variable, then holding dhow Shift + pressing the right
arrow key.

-Text frame on RIGHT of page: Works perfectly normally when it comes to
selecting. However, the removal of condition and/or variable does
sometimes happen. 

I can send anyone willing to look at it a copy of misbehaving file. But
if you have any idea of what to check, please let me know. Various
things have been tried (such as turning off sidehead area, changing size
of text frame and paragraph text, moving text frame to where things
start to work again...).

All help gratefully received!
Cheers,

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

Oxford Semiconductor, Ltd
A Subsidiary of PLX Technology, Inc.
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX 14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbailey at plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com

Can we change the track text edit marker colours in FM8?

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,

Having just discovered the useful track edit tool, I wonder if it is
possible to change the colour/underline that the edited text is given?

For example, I'd like to change the marker for inserted text from forest
green to a brighter colour.

I can't find anything in the FM8 user guide, nor on the internet. If
anyone knows of a backdoor way to do this, please let me know!

Thanks,

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

Oxford Semiconductor, Ltd
A Subsidiary of PLX Technology, Inc.
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX 14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbai...@plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com
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Can we change the track text edit marker colours in FM8?

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,

Having just discovered the useful track edit tool, I wonder if it is
possible to change the colour/underline that the edited text is given?

For example, I'd like to change the marker for inserted text from forest
green to a brighter colour.

I can't find anything in the FM8 user guide, nor on the internet. If
anyone knows of a backdoor way to do this, please let me know!

Thanks,

Heidi Bailey
Technical Author

Oxford Semiconductor, Ltd
A Subsidiary of PLX Technology, Inc.
25 Milton Park
Abingdon
Oxfordshire
OX 14 4SH

Registered in England no 2733820
Registered Address:  As Above

Tel: +44 (0)1235 824958
Email: hbailey at plxtech.com
Web: www.plxtech.com

Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,

Has anyone seen or got a solution to the Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug? When I use 
it, FM places a ú

in front of the word following the selected text.

 

Thanks, 

 

Heidi Bailey

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Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,

Has anyone seen or got a solution to the Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug? When I use 
it, FM places a ?

in front of the word following the selected text.



Thanks, 



Heidi Bailey

How to make cross references in text insets work

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,

 

We are starting to use text insets. The inset file has cross refs to
figures or tables within the text inset. When the inset is imported by
reference, these cross refs don't work.

 

We found an article that explained how to apply hypertext commands
Specify Named Destination and Jump to Named Destination to the cross
refs. In theory (and in practice when using Message URL and mailto
hyperlinks), hyperlinks in insets work. However, we can't get these
hypertexted cross refs to work.

 

Anyone have any ideas about how to make them work? We use Framemaker 7.2
and do not have any fancy add-ons.

 

Thanks,

 

Heidi Bailey

 

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