Long change bars are created when a table is in between 2 lines
Greetings from a chilly Scotland, I have a strange behaviour with change bars which is quite undesirable, where change bars become excessively long. I found this with a structured XML document, but the same occurs with unstructured documents, and the behaviour occurs in FM 10, 11 and 12. The scenario is a simple unstructured document containing the following: x a 1 y b 2 z c 3 and a table is added to the end of each of the lines. Select the letter a, and then select menu item: Format Style Change Bar. The line is correctly marked with the change bar. But when same action is performed for the letter b, the change bar is extended between the 'x a 1' line including the table. Repeat the same for the letter c, and now the whole document has a change bar! This is NOT useful, as the table content hasn't been changed - it's just the lines where the table anchor are located that have changed. I would have expected just the line to be marked with the change bar - as the MIF of the document clearly has the table anchor outwith the 'change bar' tagged text. I can add a line-feed character, or add an extra paragraph before the table anchor to circumvent the long change bar effect, but my client does not like this. Could this be considered a bug? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Long change bars are created when a table is in between 2 lines
Many people create a para tag called Anchor to solve this (and a host of other less than desirable behaviours) that you may want to try It's an almost invisible tag that I use only to anchor tables and graphic frames. I set the para font to 2 points, which is usually the minimum, and adjust space above to match other body type paragraphs. I color it red for on screen visibility. Never put any text in the tag -- just use it as an anchor point. Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Simon BUCH simon.b...@m-ais.com wrote: Greetings from a chilly Scotland, I have a strange behaviour with change bars which is quite undesirable, where change bars become excessively long. I found this with a structured XML document, but the same occurs with unstructured documents, and the behaviour occurs in FM 10, 11 and 12. The scenario is a simple unstructured document containing the following: x a 1 y b 2 z c 3 and a table is added to the end of each of the lines. Select the letter a, and then select menu item: Format Style Change Bar. The line is correctly marked with the change bar. But when same action is performed for the letter b, the change bar is extended between the 'x a 1' line including the table. Repeat the same for the letter c, and now the whole document has a change bar! This is NOT useful, as the table content hasn't been changed - it's just the lines where the table anchor are located that have changed. I would have expected just the line to be marked with the change bar - as the MIF of the document clearly has the table anchor outwith the 'change bar' tagged text. I can add a line-feed character, or add an extra paragraph before the table anchor to circumvent the long change bar effect, but my client does not like this. Could this be considered a bug? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Long change bars are created when a table is in between 2
Hi Simon, You could also use the Character Designer to apply change bars so that the table marker will not be included. You can use a mouse in the Character Designer dialog box, or use the keyboard. The key sequence for those change bars is Format Style Change Bar, which can by keyed on a Windows PC by: [Alt][o] [y] [c] This does not mean the behavior was not a bug, but it is a relatively easy workaround. As an aside, I sometimes want to have a change bar that includes an intermediate table. FM 9 does not do this the way your version behaves. If I highlight a long sequence of paragraphs, and use the Paragraph Designer to apply a change bar, the tables are skipped. If I use the Character Designer to apply the change bar, then the tables are included. Best Wishes, Ed DeRosier Technical Writer Anritsu Company Morgan Hill, California ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Long change bars are created when a table is in between 2
Hi Ed, I checked with FM 8 and FM 12: If the character format is applied only to a single character in each paragraph, the change bars combine to a long line, including also the tables. I do not see any kind of workaround in your suggestion, the bug here is exactly what Simon was telling us. I haven't got FM 9 here right now, so I cannot say if the behaviour is different. Best regards - Tino H. Haida De Rosier, Edward: Hi Simon, You could also use the Character Designer to apply change bars so that the table marker will not be included. You can use a mouse in the Character Designer dialog box, or use the keyboard. The key sequence for those change bars is Format Style Change Bar, which can by keyed on a Windows PC by: [Alt][o] [y] [c] This does not mean the behavior was not a bug, but it is a relatively easy workaround. As an aside, I sometimes want to have a change bar that includes an intermediate table. FM 9 does not do this the way your version behaves. If I highlight a long sequence of paragraphs, and use the Paragraph Designer to apply a change bar, the tables are skipped. If I use the Character Designer to apply the change bar, then the tables are included. Best Wishes, Ed DeRosier Technical Writer Anritsu Company Morgan Hill, California ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
