Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

[Steve Rickaby]

At 15:19 +1100 31/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A former client of mine has a thesis with many graphics imported by
reference into FrameMaker 5.5.6 running in Classic Mac 9.1 on
PowerMacintosh.  She wants to convert them to InDesign v. 2.0.  I
suggested that she save to Mac Word 4, 5, or 6, or to RTF using the
Japanese converter, in the Save As dialogue.  I can't do this myself as I
don't have FrameMaker installed on my home Windows computer.

So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6  Word/RTF  InDesign?  (I
don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)

I think this was the route I took a few years ago when presented with the same 
thing. However, I was fortunate in that the Word Ms had no graphics: these 
would need to be picked out of the Word docs and re-set in InDesign. Trouble 
is, Word does a load of Deep Juju on imported graphics, and I'll bet in your 
client's case the original image files are no longer available.

One trick that is often recommended to handle embedded graphics in Word is to 
[separately] save as HTML, which spits out all the graphics separately. Trouble 
is, I think it spits them out as GIFs - although this might be configurable.

If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user who can assist in
this conversion please contact Mary Ann directly at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or by calling mobile 0425 794 949 (+61 425
794 949).

Moral: read ahead... :-(

-- 
Steve
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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

[Kenneth C. Benson]

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 So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6  Word/RTF  InDesign?  (I
don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)


Sure, but I agree with Steve: remove the graphics first and then Place them
again in Indesign. Since they're referenced, this shouldn't be a problem.
The Indesign document will need some work; it will get styles and local
formatting from RTF, but of course it will only get what Frame was able to
put into the RTF file (and it will probably get some junk that you don't
want).

Indesign 2.0 was kind of primitive. IDCS2 offers anchored objects. I don't
think ID2 could anchor (but it's been awhile), so she might want to consider
upgrading first.


 If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user


Why Australian? Why does she need help at all? It sounds like she has both
Frame and Indesign. She should just delete all the graphics, save as RTF,
Place the RTF in ID (keeping styles and formatting), and then add back the
graphics. But if she does need help, I'd be happy to assist, even though I'm
in upstate New York.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
(518) 697-0700
www.pegtype.com

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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

[Peter Gold]

Look into the MIF-to-ID tool now in beta test phase from DTP Tools:

http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid


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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

[Wolfgang Kühn]

Kenneth C. Benson wrote:
 ...
 Indesign 2.0 was kind of primitive. IDCS2 offers anchored objects. I don't
 think ID2 could anchor (but it's been awhile), so she might want to consider
 upgrading first.
 ...
   
Anchored objects are a very new feature of IDCS2. The DOC/RTF import
filter of IDCS2 was completely re-designed and has many new features. I
agree totally with Steve: ID2.0 was very primitive (not a challenger for
Quark) but in this edition Adobe integrates the FM book feature and many
other features from FM. That was also the reason why many technical
writers declared FM as dead at that time.

WoK
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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

[Kenneth C. Benson]

From: Wolfgang Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I agree totally with Steve: ID2.0 was very primitive


Then you agree with Ken, not Steve. Although Steve may also hold those
sentiments, he didn't say anything about ID2.

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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:34 -0500 31/1/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote

  I agree totally with Steve: ID2.0 was very primitive

Then you agree with Ken, not Steve. Although Steve may also hold those
sentiments, he didn't say anything about ID2.

Yeah, I was wondering about this, especially as I'm still on InD 2.0 ;-) Still, 
useful to know about the better features of CS2: I'll upgrade just as soon as 
another InD project comes in.

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Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

[Kenneth C. Benson]

From: Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Still, useful to know about the better features of CS2: I'll upgrade just
as soon as another InD project comes in.


Footnotes were another big one they added with CS2. ID still doesn't come
close to Frame in terms of automation, but with every release they get a
little closer. Make sure you've got a newer computer, though. IDCS ran okay
on my aging Pentium III, but CS2 is so annoyingly slow that I've decided to
get something new.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

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FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

All:

A former client of mine has a thesis with many graphics imported by 
reference into FrameMaker 5.5.6 running in Classic Mac 9.1 on 
PowerMacintosh.  She wants to convert them to InDesign v. 2.0.  I 
suggested that she save to Mac Word 4, 5, or 6, or to RTF using the 
Japanese converter, in the Save As dialogue.  I can't do this myself as I 
don't have FrameMaker installed on my home Windows computer.

So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word/RTF > InDesign?  (I 
don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)

If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user who can assist in 
this conversion please contact Mary Ann directly at 
 or by calling mobile 0425 794 949 (+61 425 
794 949).

Thanks,
Hedley

--
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Training Content Developer and Tools Specialist
MYOB Australia Pty Ltd 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

? MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2007

FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

[Steve Rickaby]

At 15:19 +1100 31/1/07, hedley.finger at myob.com wrote:

>A former client of mine has a thesis with many graphics imported by
>reference into FrameMaker 5.5.6 running in Classic Mac 9.1 on
>PowerMacintosh.  She wants to convert them to InDesign v. 2.0.  I
>suggested that she save to Mac Word 4, 5, or 6, or to RTF using the
>Japanese converter, in the Save As dialogue.  I can't do this myself as I
>don't have FrameMaker installed on my home Windows computer.
>
>So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word/RTF > InDesign?  (I
>don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)

I think this was the route I took a few years ago when presented with the same 
thing. However, I was fortunate in that the Word Ms had no graphics: these 
would need to be picked out of the Word docs and re-set in InDesign. Trouble 
is, Word does a load of Deep Juju on imported graphics, and I'll bet in your 
client's case the original image files are no longer available.

One trick that is often recommended to handle embedded graphics in Word is to 
[separately] save as HTML, which spits out all the graphics separately. Trouble 
is, I think it spits them out as GIFs - although this might be configurable.

>If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user who can assist in
>this conversion please contact Mary Ann directly at
> or by calling mobile 0425 794 949 (+61 425
>794 949).

Moral: read ahead... :-(

-- 
Steve

FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

[Ridder, Fred]

An approach I've used a lot when I don't have the source files for
graphics in a Word file I need to convert to FrameMaker is to 
select just the graphic and use the Selection option and the 
Adobe PDF printer in the Print dialog to make a PDF of the 
graphic. I then open the PDF in Acrobat sand use the 
Document>Crop command to crop away the whitespace. 
Using that PDF in FrameMaker produces results that print
just as well as they do in the Word document because the
Adobe PDF printer captures all the benefits of Word's "Deep
Juju". As Dov noted, the placed PDF is converted to EPS 
when you print the FrameMaker document, and you have
the added benefit of a *much* better on-screen rendition of
the graphic in FrameMaker.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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Subject: Re: FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

At 15:19 +1100 31/1/07, hedley.finger at myob.com wrote:

>A former client of mine has a thesis with many graphics imported by
>reference into FrameMaker 5.5.6 running in Classic Mac 9.1 on
>PowerMacintosh.  She wants to convert them to InDesign v. 2.0.  I
>suggested that she save to Mac Word 4, 5, or 6, or to RTF using the
>Japanese converter, in the Save As dialogue.  I can't do this myself as
I
>don't have FrameMaker installed on my home Windows computer.
>
>So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word/RTF > InDesign?  (I
>don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)

I think this was the route I took a few years ago when presented with
the same thing. However, I was fortunate in that the Word Ms had no
graphics: these would need to be picked out of the Word docs and re-set
in InDesign. Trouble is, Word does a load of Deep Juju on imported
graphics, and I'll bet in your client's case the original image files
are no longer available.

One trick that is often recommended to handle embedded graphics in Word
is to [separately] save as HTML, which spits out all the graphics
separately. Trouble is, I think it spits them out as GIFs - although
this might be configurable.

>If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user who can assist in
>this conversion please contact Mary Ann directly at
> or by calling mobile 0425 794 949 (+61 425
>794 949).

Moral: read ahead... :-(

-- 
Steve
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FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

[Kenneth C. Benson]

From: 

> So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word/RTF > InDesign?  (I
don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)


Sure, but I agree with Steve: remove the graphics first and then Place them
again in Indesign. Since they're referenced, this shouldn't be a problem.
The Indesign document will need some work; it will get styles and local
formatting from RTF, but of course it will only get what Frame was able to
put into the RTF file (and it will probably get some junk that you don't
want).

Indesign 2.0 was kind of primitive. IDCS2 offers anchored objects. I don't
think ID2 could anchor (but it's been awhile), so she might want to consider
upgrading first.


> If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user


Why Australian? Why does she need help at all? It sounds like she has both
Frame and Indesign. She should just delete all the graphics, save as RTF,
Place the RTF in ID (keeping styles and formatting), and then add back the
graphics. But if she does need help, I'd be happy to assist, even though I'm
in upstate New York.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
(518) 697-0700
www.pegtype.com

FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

[Peter Gold]

Look into the MIF-to-ID tool now in beta test phase from DTP Tools:

http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

[Wolfgang Kühn]

Kenneth C. Benson wrote:
> ...
> Indesign 2.0 was kind of primitive. IDCS2 offers anchored objects. I don't
> think ID2 could anchor (but it's been awhile), so she might want to consider
> upgrading first.
> ...
>   
Anchored objects are a very new feature of IDCS2. The DOC/RTF import
filter of IDCS2 was completely re-designed and has many new features. I
agree totally with Steve: ID2.0 was very primitive (not a challenger for
Quark) but in this edition Adobe integrates the FM book feature and many
other features from FM. That was also the reason why many technical
writers declared FM as dead at that time.

WoK

FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:34 -0500 31/1/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote

> > I agree totally with Steve: ID2.0 was very primitive
>
>Then you agree with Ken, not Steve. Although Steve may also hold those
>sentiments, he didn't say anything about ID2.

Yeah, I was wondering about this, especially as I'm still on InD 2.0 ;-) Still, 
useful to know about the better features of CS2: I'll upgrade just as soon as 
another InD project comes in.

-- 
Steve

FrameMaker 5.5.6 > Word > InDesign help needed

[Kenneth C. Benson]

From: "Steve Rickaby" 

> Still, useful to know about the better features of CS2: I'll upgrade just
as soon as another InD project comes in.


Footnotes were another big one they added with CS2. ID still doesn't come
close to Frame in terms of automation, but with every release they get a
little closer. Make sure you've got a newer computer, though. IDCS ran okay
on my aging Pentium III, but CS2 is so annoyingly slow that I've decided to
get something new.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

FrameMaker 5.5.6 Word InDesign help needed

[hedley . finger]

All:

A former client of mine has a thesis with many graphics imported by 
reference into FrameMaker 5.5.6 running in Classic Mac 9.1 on 
PowerMacintosh.  She wants to convert them to InDesign v. 2.0.  I 
suggested that she save to Mac Word 4, 5, or 6, or to RTF using the 
Japanese converter, in the Save As dialogue.  I can't do this myself as I 
don't have FrameMaker installed on my home Windows computer.

So, will this process work: FrameMaker 5.5.6  Word/RTF  InDesign?  (I 
don't have InDesign or any InDesign experience.)

If this does work, can an Australian FrameMaker user who can assist in 
this conversion please contact Mary Ann directly at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or by calling mobile 0425 794 949 (+61 425 
794 949).

Thanks,
Hedley

--
Hedley Finger
Training Content Developer and Tools Specialist
MYOB Australia Pty Ltd http://myob.com/au
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia
mailto:hedleyDOTfingerATmyobDOTcom
Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

© MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2007
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