Fw: Keycaps fonts lose their already shady characters

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

All:

> I recently needed to show actual key caps in some documentation.
> [...] I was able to  find three keycaps fonts,
> 
> If Character Map is set to the keycaps font and I select the
> characters corresponding to A B C a b and c , I get the A B C Alt
> Return and CapsLock key caps in the Characters To Copy box.  Copying
> these characters from Character Map and _pasting_ into FrameMaker
> retains these characters.  But, if I create a character or paragraph
> format set to use the keycaps font, and then _type_ A B C a b and c
> , I get A B C A B and C, except that the second lot of caps are
> slightly smaller, like small capitals.

 Er ... blush! Apologies to Mr and Mrs Adobe. I created both the keycaps 
character format and para format by using the New Format command in the 
designers to create formats that inherited most of their properties from 
the currently selected format. But I was asleep at the wheel and did not 
notice that both of those formats specified Small Caps. So FrameMaker did 
what it normally does for small caps -- map to the uppercase characters, 
then reduce their size. I didn't even notice the clue that was staring me 
in the face: "... except that the second lot of caps are slightly smaller, 
like small capitals".  Many grovelling apologies to whoever needs some at 
the moment.

Regards,
Hedley

--
Hedley Finger
Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

? MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2006

Fw: Keycaps fonts lose their already shady characters

[hedley . finger]

All:

 I recently needed to show actual key caps in some documentation.
 [...] I was able to  find three keycaps fonts,
 
 If Character Map is set to the keycaps font and I select the
 characters corresponding to A B C a b and c , I get the A B C Alt
 Return and CapsLock key caps in the Characters To Copy box.  Copying
 these characters from Character Map and _pasting_ into FrameMaker
 retains these characters.  But, if I create a character or paragraph
 format set to use the keycaps font, and then _type_ A B C a b and c
 , I get A B C A B and C, except that the second lot of caps are
 slightly smaller, like small capitals.

 Er ... blush! Apologies to Mr and Mrs Adobe. I created both the keycaps 
character format and para format by using the New Format command in the 
designers to create formats that inherited most of their properties from 
the currently selected format. But I was asleep at the wheel and did not 
notice that both of those formats specified Small Caps. So FrameMaker did 
what it normally does for small caps -- map to the uppercase characters, 
then reduce their size. I didn't even notice the clue that was staring me 
in the face: ... except that the second lot of caps are slightly smaller, 
like small capitals.  Many grovelling apologies to whoever needs some at 
the moment.

Regards,
Hedley

--
Hedley Finger
Technical Communications Tools  Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia http://myob.com/au
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia
mailto:hedleyDOTfingerATmyobDOTcom
Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

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Keycaps fonts lose their already shady characters

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

All:

I recently needed to show actual key caps in some documentation.  After a 
plea on austechwriters and googling around, I was able to find three 
keycaps fonts, one shareware and not very aesthetic, and two of unknown 
provenance, probably copyright.  But they all exhibit the same baffling 
behaviour, so I'll just use one for the following examples.

If Character Map is set to the keycaps font and I select the characters 
corresponding to A B C a b and c , I get the A B C Alt Return and CapsLock 
key caps in the 
Characters To Copy box.  Copying these characters from Character Map and 
_pasting_ into FrameMaker retains these characters.  But, if I create a 
character or paragraph format set to use the keycaps font, and then _type_ 
A B C a b and c , I get A B C A B and C, except that the second lot of 
caps are slightly smaller, like small capitals.  Re-applying the keycaps 
character and paragraph formats makes no difference -- the a b c 
characters stay stubbornly alphabetic and do not display as Alt Return and 
CapsLock.

What is the reason for this odd behaviour and can anyone suggest a 
workaround other than copying from Character Map?  Can anybody direct me 
to other keycaps fonts that behave correctly in FrameMaker**, preferably 
freeware  (but I am prepared to pay a modest price out of my own pocket, 
even though it's my employers job).

Regards,
Hedley

** But Wordpad, Microsoft Word, and OpenOffice.org Writer display the 
correct characters when the paragraph or character format applies the 
keycaps font.  So can someone at Adobe tell me why FrameMaker won't handle 
these fonts correctly as displayed in Character Map and in the font viewer 
when you double-click the font file in the Windows Font folder?

--
Hedley Finger
Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

? MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2006

Keycaps fonts lose their already shady characters

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

Not a clue about your real problem. I just had to respond: How can you even 
DREAM of paying for something like that out of your own pocket? Big guy wants 
the job done - big guy pays. Judging by your contributions to the list over the 
years, I think your employer should cherish you and respect your judgment 
enough to do that!

-Niels

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-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of hedley.finger at myob.com
-> Sent: 30. marts 2006 06:49
-> To: framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Cc: austechwriter at freelists.org
-> Subject: Keycaps fonts lose their already shady characters
-> 
-> All:
-> 
-> I recently needed to show actual key caps in some 
-> documentation.  After a plea on austechwriters and googling 
-> around, I was able to find three keycaps fonts, one 
-> shareware and not very aesthetic, and two of unknown 
-> provenance, probably copyright.  But they all exhibit the 
-> same baffling behaviour, so I'll just use one for the 
-> following examples.
-> 
-> If Character Map is set to the keycaps font and I select the 
-> characters corresponding to A B C a b and c , I get the A B 
-> C Alt Return and CapsLock key caps in the Characters To Copy 
-> box.  Copying these characters from Character Map and 
-> _pasting_ into FrameMaker retains these characters.  But, if 
-> I create a character or paragraph format set to use the 
-> keycaps font, and then _type_ A B C a b and c , I get A B C 
-> A B and C, except that the second lot of caps are slightly 
-> smaller, like small capitals.  Re-applying the keycaps 
-> character and paragraph formats makes no difference -- the a 
-> b c characters stay stubbornly alphabetic and do not display 
-> as Alt Return and CapsLock.
-> 
-> What is the reason for this odd behaviour and can anyone 
-> suggest a workaround other than copying from Character Map?  
-> Can anybody direct me to other keycaps fonts that behave 
-> correctly in FrameMaker**, preferably freeware  (but I am 
-> prepared to pay a modest price out of my own pocket, even 
-> though it's my employers job).
-> 
-> Regards,
-> Hedley
-> 
-> ** But Wordpad, Microsoft Word, and OpenOffice.org Writer 
-> display the correct characters when the paragraph or 
-> character format applies the keycaps font.  So can someone 
-> at Adobe tell me why FrameMaker won't handle these fonts 
-> correctly as displayed in Character Map and in the font 
-> viewer when you double-click the font file in the Windows 
-> Font folder?
-> 
-> --
-> Hedley Finger
-> Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist MYOB 
-> Australia <http://myob.com/au>
-> P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
-> 12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 
-> 3151 Australia
-> <mailto:hedleyDOTfingerATmyobDOTcom>
-> Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558
-> 
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Keycaps fonts lose their already shady characters

[hedley . finger]

All:

I recently needed to show actual key caps in some documentation.  After a 
plea on austechwriters and googling around, I was able to find three 
keycaps fonts, one shareware and not very aesthetic, and two of unknown 
provenance, probably copyright.  But they all exhibit the same baffling 
behaviour, so I'll just use one for the following examples.

If Character Map is set to the keycaps font and I select the characters 
corresponding to A B C a b and c , I get the A B C Alt Return and CapsLock 
key caps in the 
Characters To Copy box.  Copying these characters from Character Map and 
_pasting_ into FrameMaker retains these characters.  But, if I create a 
character or paragraph format set to use the keycaps font, and then _type_ 
A B C a b and c , I get A B C A B and C, except that the second lot of 
caps are slightly smaller, like small capitals.  Re-applying the keycaps 
character and paragraph formats makes no difference -- the a b c 
characters stay stubbornly alphabetic and do not display as Alt Return and 
CapsLock.

What is the reason for this odd behaviour and can anyone suggest a 
workaround other than copying from Character Map?  Can anybody direct me 
to other keycaps fonts that behave correctly in FrameMaker**, preferably 
freeware  (but I am prepared to pay a modest price out of my own pocket, 
even though it's my employers job).

Regards,
Hedley

** But Wordpad, Microsoft Word, and OpenOffice.org Writer display the 
correct characters when the paragraph or character format applies the 
keycaps font.  So can someone at Adobe tell me why FrameMaker won't handle 
these fonts correctly as displayed in Character Map and in the font viewer 
when you double-click the font file in the Windows Font folder?

--
Hedley Finger
Technical Communications Tools  Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia http://myob.com/au
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia
mailto:hedleyDOTfingerATmyobDOTcom
Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

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