Re: text frame that isn't visible
Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good. * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame -- mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames manually. * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be on. * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all situations, you want autoconnected pages. * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have nested ones. * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and pages are added automatically. Art Art Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: FM 8.0, Windows XP. A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the nature of disconnected and connected pages in general. I'm happy to learn. In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible? SPECIFIC QUESTION(s) What does that message mean? GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS How would I find a text frame that isn't visible? Why would I ever use a text frame that isn't visible? Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default? How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between two other figures? Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have just typed the white text into the existing text frame. I didn't think of that until right now. Anyhow, I'd still like to know.) How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page and connect it to the table page? Does it have anything to do with using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right master pages? I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do. Sprightly yours, Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: text frame that isn't visible
Hi Art: I hope someday soon to know enough to rewrite these templates! I'd tackle it now, but the reference pages have me stumped. I have to add pages because there is only one illustration page in the template, and a lot of time our illustrations split over two - three pages. Is there another way to add pages? Just keep hitting enter until a new page shows up? That gives me my connected page but goes against every thing I've ever learned about efficient report writing. Thanks! Deirdre On 10/20/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good. * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame -- mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames manually. * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be on. * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all situations, you want autoconnected pages. * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have nested ones. * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and pages are added automatically. Art Art Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: FM 8.0, Windows XP. A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the nature of disconnected and connected pages in general. I'm happy to learn. In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible? SPECIFIC QUESTION(s) What does that message mean? GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS How would I find a text frame that isn't visible? Why would I ever use a text frame that isn't visible? Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default? How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between two other figures? Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have just typed the white text into the existing text frame. I didn't think of that until right now. Anyhow, I'd still like to know.) How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page and connect it to the table page? Does it have anything to do with using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right master pages? I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do. Sprightly yours, Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: text frame that isn't visible
Deirdre, First, the templates You can redesign the templates pretty easily from FM Portrait pages and then just import the Reference Pages from your existing doc. Which means you don't have to go on to the Ref pages for anything, assuming everything there is working. Tell us about the Illustration Pages. Is that a Master Page? Does it have a text frame on it, or is it blank? Art Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Art: I hope someday soon to know enough to rewrite these templates! I'd tackle it now, but the reference pages have me stumped. I have to add pages because there is only one illustration page in the template, and a lot of time our illustrations split over two - three pages. Is there another way to add pages? Just keep hitting enter until a new page shows up? That gives me my connected page but goes against every thing I've ever learned about efficient report writing. Thanks! Deirdre On 10/20/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good. * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame -- mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames manually. * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be on. * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all situations, you want autoconnected pages. * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have nested ones. * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and pages are added automatically. Art Art Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: FM 8.0, Windows XP. A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the nature of disconnected and connected pages in general. I'm happy to learn. In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible? SPECIFIC QUESTION(s) What does that message mean? GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS How would I find a text frame that isn't visible? Why would I ever use a text frame that isn't visible? Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default? How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between two other figures? Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have just typed the white text into the existing text frame. I didn't think of that until right now. Anyhow, I'd still like to know.) How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page and connect it to the table page? Does it have anything to do with using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right master pages? I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do. Sprightly yours, Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit
Re: text frame that isn't visible
My own experience with connecting text frames where one isn't visible is when I have a frame with special text of some kind on one page, and then create an empty frame on another page down the line and need the text from the first frame to continue into the frame on the latter page. For instance, a story on page 1 of your newspaper that continues inside the newspaper would use this feature. In this case, here's what I do (and it does work for me): 1. Create a text frame on the current page and import the text into that frame. 2. Navigate to the page where the story should continue and create a text frame (it doesn't matter what size) on that page. 3. Return to the frame on the page where the text starts and click on that frame to highlight the grab handles. 4. Navigate to the page where the new text frame is located and click on that frame to highlight the grab handles. 5. Click on the Format pull-down, then select Customize layout, then select Connect text frames and answer in the affirmative to Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?. The overflow text from the first text frame (which is on the earlier, nonvisible page) now flows into the visible text frame on the current page. Like I said, this works for me. -- Kenpo in Atlanta -- Original message from Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi all: FM 8.0, Windows XP. A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the nature of disconnected and connected pages in general. I'm happy to learn. In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible? SPECIFIC QUESTION(s) What does that message mean? GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS How would I find a text frame that isn't visible? Why would I ever use a text frame that isn't visible? Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default? How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between two other figures? Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have just typed the white text into the existing text frame. I didn't think of that until right now. Anyhow, I'd still like to know.) How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page and connect it to the table page? Does it have anything to do with using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right master pages? I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do. Sprightly yours, Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/poshedly%40bellsouth.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: text frame that isn't visible
The not visible frame may well be on another page that is not visible. I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a possibility. The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the autoconnect property. This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very specialized page design needs. Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table. If that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a new page to contain the extra table rows. I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic frame. On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote: | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating | a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that | have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building | stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good. | | * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame -- | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames | manually. | | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on | a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the | default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a | checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be | on. | | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should | need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all | situations, you want autoconnected pages. | | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have | nested ones. | | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e | broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and | pages are added automatically. | | Art | | Art Campbell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 | Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson | No disclaimers | apply. |DoD 358 | | | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hi all: | | FM 8.0, Windows XP. | | A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the | nature of disconnected and connected pages in general. I'm happy to | learn. | | In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a | message that says OK to use a text frame that isn't visible? | | SPECIFIC QUESTION(s) | | What does that message mean? | | GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS | | How would I find a text frame that isn't visible? Why would I ever | use a text frame that isn't visible? | | Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default? | | How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures | jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between | two other figures? | | Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame | it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text | frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and | pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have | just typed the white text into the existing text frame. I didn't | think of that until right now. Anyhow, I'd still like to know.) | | How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds | a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page | and connect it to the table page? Does it have anything to do with | using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right | master pages? | | I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do. | | Sprightly yours, | | Deirdre - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information
Re: text frame that isn't visible
Thanks Lester: I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties -- the autoconnect box is selected. How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page? The only way I know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows up, or go to Special Add Disconnected Page. Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read Special Add Connected Page? Thanks! Deirdre On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The not visible frame may well be on another page that is not visible. I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a possibility. The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the autoconnect property. This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very specialized page design needs. Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table. If that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a new page to contain the extra table rows. I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic frame. On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote: | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating | a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that | have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building | stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good. | | * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame -- | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames | manually. | | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on | a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the | default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a | checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be | on. | | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should | need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all | situations, you want autoconnected pages. | | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have | nested ones. | | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e | broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and | pages are added automatically. | | Art | | Art Campbell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 | Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson | No disclaimers | apply. |DoD 358 | | | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hi all: | | FM 8.0, Windows XP. | | A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the | nature of disconnected and connected pages in general. I'm happy to | learn. | | In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a | message that says OK to use a text frame that isn't visible? | | SPECIFIC QUESTION(s) | | What does that message mean? | | GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS | | How would I find a text frame that isn't visible? Why would I ever | use a text frame that isn't visible? | | Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default? | | How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures | jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between | two other figures? | | Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame | it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text | frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and | pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have | just typed the white text into the existing text frame. I didn't | think of that until right now. Anyhow, I'd still like to know.) |
Re: text frame that isn't visible
Or perhaps Page Break? LOL -- I just saw that. Is that how to force a connected page? Thanks! Deirdre On 10/20/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Lester: I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties -- the autoconnect box is selected. How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page? The only way I know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows up, or go to Special Add Disconnected Page. Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read Special Add Connected Page? Thanks! Deirdre On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The not visible frame may well be on another page that is not visible. I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a possibility. The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the autoconnect property. This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very specialized page design needs. Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table. If that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a new page to contain the extra table rows. I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic frame. On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote: | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating | a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that | have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building | stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good. | | * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame -- | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames | manually. | | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on | a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the | default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a | checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be | on. | | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should | need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all | situations, you want autoconnected pages. | | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have | nested ones. | | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e | broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and | pages are added automatically. | | Art | | Art Campbell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 | Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson | No disclaimers | apply. |DoD 358 | | | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hi all: | | FM 8.0, Windows XP. | | A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the | nature of disconnected and connected pages in general. I'm happy to | learn. | | In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a | message that says OK to use a text frame that isn't visible? | | SPECIFIC QUESTION(s) | | What does that message mean? | | GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS | | How would I find a text frame that isn't visible? Why would I ever | use a text frame that isn't visible? | | Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default? | | How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures | jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between | two other figures? | | Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame | it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text | frame is usually
RE: text frame that isn't visible
Deirdre, if you have a paragraph tag (for example anchor) that is very very small (like 2 point font) and it is set to start at the top of a page, adding a paragraph with that tag will automatically create a new page and let you add the anchored frame on the new page To me, that sounds like what you want for your multiple images under one Figure title. On Monday, October 20, 2008 16:12, Deirdre Reagan wrote: | Thanks Lester: | | I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties -- | the autoconnect box is selected. | | How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page? The only way I | know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows | up, or go to Special Add Disconnected Page. | | Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read | Special Add Connected Page? | | Thanks! | | Deirdre - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: text frame that isn't visible
Deirdre Reagan wrote: How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page? The only way I know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows up, or go to Special Add Disconnected Page. Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read Special Add Connected Page? I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding how FM works and trying to use it as a page-layout program like Quark or PageMaker. There is no Add Connected Page command because you should never add pages. You just add _content_, and FM creates additional pages automatically to hold it. Your illustrations should be inserted into the (autoconnected) text flow, not put on separate pages. When you reach the end of the last paragraph before an illustration, hit Enter to make a new paragraph, and then select File Import File and import your illustration. FM will create an anchored frame (anchored at the text cursor location) to hold the illustration. If you want the figure caption below the figure, hit Enter again, make the new pgf your figure caption pgf. There's more to it (Keep With settings, whether to define a dedicated figure anchor pgf, etc.), but that's the basic idea. Don't add pages! Let FM do that for you. (If you have, or can get, Adobe's Classroom in a Book for FM, working through that will teach you a lot of these basic concepts of how FM works and how to work with it instead of against it. HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: text frame that isn't visible
Deidre, Unless your template is broken, all you need to do is add your content. FM will add pages as necessary. You can also add a page break manually to any paragraph or use a paragraph with the Top of Page attribute. If the template is broken, in that no matter what you do you can't get it to add new pages beyond a certain point, copy your content into a different copy of the template. Somehow our Indian subcontractor manages to do this to our files periodically, and I almost always have to start over with a new file. Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:12 PM To: Lester C. Smalley Cc: Framer's List Subject: Re: text frame that isn't visible Thanks Lester: I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties -- the autoconnect box is selected. How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page? The only way I know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows up, or go to Special Add Disconnected Page. Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read Special Add Connected Page? Thanks! Deirdre On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The not visible frame may well be on another page that is not visible. I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a possibility. The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the autoconnect property. This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very specialized page design needs. Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table. If that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a new page to contain the extra table rows. I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic frame. On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote: | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about | creating a new, clean template and applying it to any of your | files/books that have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as | if you're building stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good. | | * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame -- | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames | manually. | | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's | on a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't | the default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- | a checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always | be on. | | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you | should need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all | situations, you want autoconnected pages. | | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have | nested ones. | | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if | youv'e broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the | rows and pages are added automatically. | | Art | | Art Campbell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 | Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson | No disclaimers | apply. |DoD | 358 | | | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hi all: | | FM 8.0, Windows XP. | | A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the | nature of disconnected and connected pages in general. I'm happy | to learn. | | In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a | message that says
