Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
If you recreate it in Visio or PowerPoint and save it as an EMF, it will come out as clear as text in the PDF (or print). It definitely takes more time than a screen capture though. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 058-763-7133 On 20-May-16 7:05 PM, Lin Sims wrote: One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need to reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over the W. It is VERY visible. I cannot figure out how to reproduce it. I've tried using the equation editor's diacritic marks, but the mark is too small and too high above the letter. I've tried using the W-character-with-the-circumflex, but again, the mark is too small to see, and this time it's close enough to the letter that it's hard to distinguish it. I thought about using repositioning to move a larger angle over the letter, but I can't find anything like that in the character sets (still looking). Anyone have any ideas? Getting MathML isn't an option. If worse comes to worst, I'll screenshot the bloody thing, but I hate doing that sort of workaround. It feels sloppy. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
I haven't been following this thread, so this might have been suggested already. Have you tried http://graphemica.com/%C5%B4 latin capital letter W with circumflex (U+0174)? or using Alt and the arrow keys to adjust the kerning? Here is an image of W^θ after adjusting the font and the kerning. [image: Inline image 1] Ed Nodland San Diego Data Services On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Klaus Daube wrote: > On 20 May 2016 at 12:05, Lin Sims wrote: > > > One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need > to > > reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W > > with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left > > angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over > the > > W. It is VERY visible. > > Lin, I encountered same problems years ago when teaching FM at the > Technical > University in Zurich (ETH). > You may have a look at my 'solution' on > http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker15.html > > HTH Klaus Daube > ~~ > Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich > Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper > F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: d...@daube.ch W: www.daube.ch > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
On 20 May 2016 at 12:05, Lin Sims wrote: > One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need to > reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W > with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left > angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over the > W. It is VERY visible. Lin, I encountered same problems years ago when teaching FM at the Technical University in Zurich (ETH). You may have a look at my 'solution' on http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker15.html HTH Klaus Daube ~~ Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: d...@daube.ch W: www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
Oh, this looks VERY useful. Thanks for this. Also to Klaus for keeping a copy around. On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > This might help, though it sounds like maybe there's a bug in FM. > > http://www.daube.ch/docu/files/FrameLaTeXTemplate.pdf > > How about rendering the Word formula to PDF and inserting that as an image? > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > > Can't get a new tool. Can't get a new font, either. I did try the > > diacritical marks on the Equation palette, that was the "too small and > too > > high". I also tried using FrameMaker's Character Palette; that was the > "too > > small, so close it got lost in the rest of the actual character." > > > > I _believe_ the W is the standard representation of this quantity. > > > > If the attached .png comes through, you can see what I need to create. > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
This might help, though it sounds like maybe there's a bug in FM. http://www.daube.ch/docu/files/FrameLaTeXTemplate.pdf How about rendering the Word formula to PDF and inserting that as an image? On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > Can't get a new tool. Can't get a new font, either. I did try the > diacritical marks on the Equation palette, that was the "too small and too > high". I also tried using FrameMaker's Character Palette; that was the "too > small, so close it got lost in the rest of the actual character." > > I _believe_ the W is the standard representation of this quantity. > > If the attached .png comes through, you can see what I need to create. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
It is an estimated value hat over a W matrix. I think I'll grab a screenshot, assuming our corporate style standards allow, and I believe they do. On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 4:28 PM, William Saylor wrote: > Alan, > I feel your pain. If you have to do this a lot MathType is not very > expensive and easy to use in FM (either OLE or MathML). IMHO it is > becoming > the most widely used equation editor for hundreds of applications. > I assume you are adding the "estimated value" hat over a W matrix. > The MT output to me looks better than anything else I have seen. > Bill > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > [mailto:framers-bounces+wsaylor=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf Of Alan Litchfield > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:03 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation > > My preference is to use TeX/LaTeX to produce a pdf of the equation. To be > honest, I never really had a lot of joy with Frame's equation editor and > the > output from TeX is far superior to most other tools. > > You can make your learning curve shallower by using one of the many online > LaTeX equation tools. They all do pretty much the same thing because they > all use pretty much the same binaries to do it with. > > Without thorough testing, this tool seems to provide what I would be > looking > for (direct input of TeX code, pdf output, some examples): > https://www.latex4technics.com > > Here is where you can learn about writing the code: > https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Mathematics > > Here is a link to all the symbols you might want (all 14032 of them) > http://tug.ctan.org/info/symbols/comprehensive/symbols-a4.pdf > Go to page 100 to find the hat code and other diacritics. e.g. \hat{W} vs > \mathring{W} or \bar{a} > > Alan > > > On 21/05/16 4:05 am, Lin Sims wrote: > > One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I > > need to reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a > > capital W with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look > > like a left angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been > > placed over the W. It is VERY visible. > > > > I cannot figure out how to reproduce it. I've tried using the equation > > editor's diacritic marks, but the mark is too small and too high above > > the letter. I've tried using the W-character-with-the-circumflex, but > > again, the mark is too small to see, and this time it's close enough > > to the letter that it's hard to distinguish it. I thought about using > > repositioning to move a larger angle over the letter, but I can't find > > anything like that in the character sets (still looking). > > > > Anyone have any ideas? Getting MathML isn't an option. If worse comes > > to worst, I'll screenshot the bloody thing, but I hate doing that sort > > of workaround. It feels sloppy. > > > > -- > Dr Alan Litchfield > AlphaByte > PO Box 1941 > Auckland, New Zealand 1140 > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
I totally agree with Alan! LaTeX is unsurpassed in this math and "formula" capability - highly general purpose. You can easily create the entire math "text' and formulas you need - with a little bit of a learning curve - and then create a PDF of that for use elsewhere. Z > -Original Message- > From: Framers [mailto:framers- > bounces+syed.hosain=aeris@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan > Litchfield > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 01:03 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation > > My preference is to use TeX/LaTeX to produce a pdf of the equation. To be > honest, I never really had a lot of joy with Frame's equation editor and the > output from TeX is far superior to most other tools. > > You can make your learning curve shallower by using one of the many online > LaTeX equation tools. They all do pretty much the same thing because they all > use pretty much the same binaries to do it with. > > Without thorough testing, this tool seems to provide what I would be looking > for (direct input of TeX code, pdf output, some examples): > https://www.latex4technics.com > > Here is where you can learn about writing the code: > https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Mathematics > > Here is a link to all the symbols you might want (all 14032 of them) > http://tug.ctan.org/info/symbols/comprehensive/symbols-a4.pdf > Go to page 100 to find the hat code and other diacritics. e.g. \hat{W} vs > \mathring{W} or \bar{a} > > Alan > > On 21/05/16 4:05 am, Lin Sims wrote: > > One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I > > need to reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a > > capital W with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look > > like a left angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been > > placed over the W. It is VERY visible. > > > > I cannot figure out how to reproduce it. I've tried using the equation > > editor's diacritic marks, but the mark is too small and too high above > > the letter. I've tried using the W-character-with-the-circumflex, but > > again, the mark is too small to see, and this time it's close enough > > to the letter that it's hard to distinguish it. I thought about using > > repositioning to move a larger angle over the letter, but I can't find > > anything like that in the character sets (still looking). > > > > Anyone have any ideas? Getting MathML isn't an option. If worse comes > > to worst, I'll screenshot the bloody thing, but I hate doing that sort > > of workaround. It feels sloppy. > > > > -- > Dr Alan Litchfield > AlphaByte > PO Box 1941 > Auckland, New Zealand 1140 > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
Alan, I feel your pain. If you have to do this a lot MathType is not very expensive and easy to use in FM (either OLE or MathML). IMHO it is becoming the most widely used equation editor for hundreds of applications. I assume you are adding the "estimated value" hat over a W matrix. The MT output to me looks better than anything else I have seen. Bill -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+wsaylor=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:03 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation My preference is to use TeX/LaTeX to produce a pdf of the equation. To be honest, I never really had a lot of joy with Frame's equation editor and the output from TeX is far superior to most other tools. You can make your learning curve shallower by using one of the many online LaTeX equation tools. They all do pretty much the same thing because they all use pretty much the same binaries to do it with. Without thorough testing, this tool seems to provide what I would be looking for (direct input of TeX code, pdf output, some examples): https://www.latex4technics.com Here is where you can learn about writing the code: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Mathematics Here is a link to all the symbols you might want (all 14032 of them) http://tug.ctan.org/info/symbols/comprehensive/symbols-a4.pdf Go to page 100 to find the hat code and other diacritics. e.g. \hat{W} vs \mathring{W} or \bar{a} Alan On 21/05/16 4:05 am, Lin Sims wrote: > One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I > need to reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a > capital W with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look > like a left angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been > placed over the W. It is VERY visible. > > I cannot figure out how to reproduce it. I've tried using the equation > editor's diacritic marks, but the mark is too small and too high above > the letter. I've tried using the W-character-with-the-circumflex, but > again, the mark is too small to see, and this time it's close enough > to the letter that it's hard to distinguish it. I thought about using > repositioning to move a larger angle over the letter, but I can't find > anything like that in the character sets (still looking). > > Anyone have any ideas? Getting MathML isn't an option. If worse comes > to worst, I'll screenshot the bloody thing, but I hate doing that sort > of workaround. It feels sloppy. > -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
My preference is to use TeX/LaTeX to produce a pdf of the equation. To be honest, I never really had a lot of joy with Frame's equation editor and the output from TeX is far superior to most other tools. You can make your learning curve shallower by using one of the many online LaTeX equation tools. They all do pretty much the same thing because they all use pretty much the same binaries to do it with. Without thorough testing, this tool seems to provide what I would be looking for (direct input of TeX code, pdf output, some examples): https://www.latex4technics.com Here is where you can learn about writing the code: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Mathematics Here is a link to all the symbols you might want (all 14032 of them) http://tug.ctan.org/info/symbols/comprehensive/symbols-a4.pdf Go to page 100 to find the hat code and other diacritics. e.g. \hat{W} vs \mathring{W} or \bar{a} Alan On 21/05/16 4:05 am, Lin Sims wrote: One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need to reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over the W. It is VERY visible. I cannot figure out how to reproduce it. I've tried using the equation editor's diacritic marks, but the mark is too small and too high above the letter. I've tried using the W-character-with-the-circumflex, but again, the mark is too small to see, and this time it's close enough to the letter that it's hard to distinguish it. I thought about using repositioning to move a larger angle over the letter, but I can't find anything like that in the character sets (still looking). Anyone have any ideas? Getting MathML isn't an option. If worse comes to worst, I'll screenshot the bloody thing, but I hate doing that sort of workaround. It feels sloppy. -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
Can't get a new tool. Can't get a new font, either. I did try the diacritical marks on the Equation palette, that was the "too small and too high". I also tried using FrameMaker's Character Palette; that was the "too small, so close it got lost in the rest of the actual character." I _believe_ the W is the standard representation of this quantity. If the attached .png comes through, you can see what I need to create. [image: Inline image 1] On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: > Umm, what you say about Word's equation editor is not entirely accurate. > Microsoft used to use a reduced version of MathType as Word's built in > equation editor; but as of Word 2007, the default equation editor is a > brand-new tool, developed in-house by Microsoft. The old MathType-based > editor is supported primarily to render legacy equations. > > -FR > > > From: Framers > on behalf of Craig W. Johnson > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:49 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation > > The unicode code for combining (i.e. zero-width) circumflex is hex 0302, > and it should follow the character it appears above. If you don't have a > unicode entry method handy, using Frame's replace function - "W" with > "W\u0302" - will get you the code, BUT, you need the circumflex to be > declared in a font that will show the code (Times New Roman or Arial both > work). You'll still need to do some fussing with changing the spread of the > W, and moving the mark vertically. > > I set a lot of books with a lot of math, and rather than mess with > FrameMaker's editor, or continually potschke things together by hand, I > rely on MathType, which will produce any number of outputs, including EPS > and bitmap formats. It saves a lot of time because it's a superset of > Word's equation editor, and usually Word equations import seamlessly (or at > least more reliably than much else imports from Word). You can also specify > something akin to named stylesheets for font and positioning in equations > (so you can have, say, separate styles for text equations and table > equations), and support for micro-positioning is good. It also has support > for TeX, which is another option here, but setting that up and using it > makes Frame's learning curve look like a walk in the park. > > Of course, using any auxiliary app will also gives you a bunch of graphics > files to keep track of, but if your math is at all complicated it's > probably worthwhile. > > MathType for Windows costs around $100 and may be downloaded as a 30-day > unfettered demo from < > http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/default.htm>. It's also > available in a strong Mac version, for those (like me) who prefer running > Frame using a VM. > > Hope this helps. > > Craig Johnson > Remex Publishing > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
Umm, what you say about Word's equation editor is not entirely accurate. Microsoft used to use a reduced version of MathType as Word's built in equation editor; but as of Word 2007, the default equation editor is a brand-new tool, developed in-house by Microsoft. The old MathType-based editor is supported primarily to render legacy equations. -FR From: Framers on behalf of Craig W. Johnson Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:49 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation The unicode code for combining (i.e. zero-width) circumflex is hex 0302, and it should follow the character it appears above. If you don't have a unicode entry method handy, using Frame's replace function - "W" with "W\u0302" - will get you the code, BUT, you need the circumflex to be declared in a font that will show the code (Times New Roman or Arial both work). You'll still need to do some fussing with changing the spread of the W, and moving the mark vertically. I set a lot of books with a lot of math, and rather than mess with FrameMaker's editor, or continually potschke things together by hand, I rely on MathType, which will produce any number of outputs, including EPS and bitmap formats. It saves a lot of time because it's a superset of Word's equation editor, and usually Word equations import seamlessly (or at least more reliably than much else imports from Word). You can also specify something akin to named stylesheets for font and positioning in equations (so you can have, say, separate styles for text equations and table equations), and support for micro-positioning is good. It also has support for TeX, which is another option here, but setting that up and using it makes Frame's learning curve look like a walk in the park. Of course, using any auxiliary app will also gives you a bunch of graphics files to keep track of, but if your math is at all complicated it's probably worthwhile. MathType for Windows costs around $100 and may be downloaded as a 30-day unfettered demo from <http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/default.htm>. It's also available in a strong Mac version, for those (like me) who prefer running Frame using a VM. Hope this helps. Craig Johnson Remex Publishing ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
The unicode code for combining (i.e. zero-width) circumflex is hex 0302, and it should follow the character it appears above. If you don't have a unicode entry method handy, using Frame's replace function - "W" with "W\u0302" - will get you the code, BUT, you need the circumflex to be declared in a font that will show the code (Times New Roman or Arial both work). You'll still need to do some fussing with changing the spread of the W, and moving the mark vertically. I set a lot of books with a lot of math, and rather than mess with FrameMaker's editor, or continually potschke things together by hand, I rely on MathType, which will produce any number of outputs, including EPS and bitmap formats. It saves a lot of time because it's a superset of Word's equation editor, and usually Word equations import seamlessly (or at least more reliably than much else imports from Word). You can also specify something akin to named stylesheets for font and positioning in equations (so you can have, say, separate styles for text equations and table equations), and support for micro-positioning is good. It also has support for TeX, which is another option here, but setting that up and using it makes Frame's learning curve look like a walk in the park. Of course, using any auxiliary app will also gives you a bunch of graphics files to keep track of, but if your math is at all complicated it's probably worthwhile. MathType for Windows costs around $100 and may be downloaded as a 30-day unfettered demo from <http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/default.htm>. It's also available in a strong Mac version, for those (like me) who prefer running Frame using a VM. Hope this helps. Craig Johnson Remex Publishing - Original Message - From: "Lin Sims" To: "Frame Users" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:05:32 AM Subject: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need to reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over the W. It is VERY visible. I cannot figure out how to reproduce it. I've tried using the equation editor's diacritic marks, but the mark is too small and too high above the letter. I've tried using the W-character-with-the-circumflex, but again, the mark is too small to see, and this time it's close enough to the letter that it's hard to distinguish it. I thought about using repositioning to move a larger angle over the letter, but I can't find anything like that in the character sets (still looking). Anyone have any ideas? Getting MathML isn't an option. If worse comes to worst, I'll screenshot the bloody thing, but I hate doing that sort of workaround. It feels sloppy. -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
I'm an idiot who didn't read for comprehension, you said you already tried that, apologies. Patrick >>> "Patrick Edwards" 5/20/2016 11:20 AM >>> That sounds like "latin capital letter w with circumflex": Unicode Character 'LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W WITH CIRCUMFLEX' (U+0174) http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0174/index.htm Just use the character palette to insert this character using a typeface containing this glyph, such as Times New Roman or Arial Unicode MS. Patrick H. Edwards Production Editor and Web Administrator International Ocean Discovery Program JOIDES Resolution Science Operator Texas A&M University 1000 Discovery Drive College Station TX 77845-9547 979 845 1199 edwa...@iodp.tamu.edu >>> "Monique Semp" 5/20/2016 11:13 AM >>> > One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need to reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over the W. It is VERY visible. Do you mean a "W" with a caret? If the equation would still be valid (that is, "W" is arbitrary, not denoting a specific entity that's normally denoted by "W"), FrameMaker has symbols for all the vowels-with-carets: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/10.0/Using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7862b-7ff0.html. I haven't yet found how to add the caret to non-vowels... -Monique ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
That sounds like "latin capital letter w with circumflex": Unicode Character 'LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W WITH CIRCUMFLEX' (U+0174) http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0174/index.htm Just use the character palette to insert this character using a typeface containing this glyph, such as Times New Roman or Arial Unicode MS. Patrick H. Edwards Production Editor and Web Administrator International Ocean Discovery Program JOIDES Resolution Science Operator Texas A&M University 1000 Discovery Drive College Station TX 77845-9547 979 845 1199 edwa...@iodp.tamu.edu >>> "Monique Semp" 5/20/2016 11:13 AM >>> > One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need to reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over the W. It is VERY visible. Do you mean a "W" with a caret? If the equation would still be valid (that is, "W" is arbitrary, not denoting a specific entity that's normally denoted by "W"), FrameMaker has symbols for all the vowels-with-carets: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/10.0/Using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7862b-7ff0.html. I haven't yet found how to add the caret to non-vowels... -Monique ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
Hi Lin Monique, If you are creating an equation using the Equations Editor, you can add the "hat" as a diacritical mark to an equation entity. Hope this helps. Martha On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Monique Semp wrote: > One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need to >> > reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W with > what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left angle > bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over the W. It > is VERY visible. > > Do you mean a "W" with a caret? If the equation would still be valid (that > is, "W" is arbitrary, not denoting a specific entity that's normally > denoted by "W"), FrameMaker has symbols for all the vowels-with-carets: > http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/10.0/Using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7862b-7ff0.html > . > > I haven't yet found how to add the caret to non-vowels... > > -Monique > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need to reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over the W. It is VERY visible. Do you mean a "W" with a caret? If the equation would still be valid (that is, "W" is arbitrary, not denoting a specific entity that's normally denoted by "W"), FrameMaker has symbols for all the vowels-with-carets: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/10.0/Using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7862b-7ff0.html. I haven't yet found how to add the caret to non-vowels... -Monique ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation
One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need to reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over the W. It is VERY visible. I cannot figure out how to reproduce it. I've tried using the equation editor's diacritic marks, but the mark is too small and too high above the letter. I've tried using the W-character-with-the-circumflex, but again, the mark is too small to see, and this time it's close enough to the letter that it's hard to distinguish it. I thought about using repositioning to move a larger angle over the letter, but I can't find anything like that in the character sets (still looking). Anyone have any ideas? Getting MathML isn't an option. If worse comes to worst, I'll screenshot the bloody thing, but I hate doing that sort of workaround. It feels sloppy. -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com