Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-21 Thread Alan Litchfield
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > In the US versions I have laid my hands on there is the option of > several languages and, AFAIK, there is no difference between the > issues, but I have not bought anything more recent than 7.2. > > For the main question: Have I ever talked about Big-Business-Feudal-S

Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-21 Thread Klaus Daube
On 19 Oct 2009 at 9:49, Michael M?ller-Hillebrand wrote: > In the past there were two editions of FrameMaker: an English-only > version, and an international version which could be installed with > English, French, German, or Japanese UI. I don't know if that is still > true. Well, let's stop

Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-21 Thread Rick Quatro
Or, it could be that the lower price in the Netherlands is mandated by their government through "price controls". Rick On 19 Oct 2009 at 9:49, Michael M?ller-Hillebrand wrote: > In the past there were two editions of FrameMaker: an English-only > version, and an international version which cou

Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-21 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Mike, Thanks for adding some balance to this thread. Another cost of doing business is the threat and defense of litigation. For example, Microsoft is regularly being sued by the European Union. I am sure that these costs are passed on to European customers. I found it amusing when the US Justi

Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-21 Thread Mike Wickham
>> Dov, don't read this: The price difference between "feuds" (read: >> countries) is a total discrimination and should be fought against by >> the UN. > Especially in an age where data can be shunted around the globe with > relative > ease. The only barriers to pricing equality are notional, or i

RE: Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-21 Thread Rick Quatro
Or, it could be that the lower price in the Netherlands is mandated by their government through "price controls". Rick On 19 Oct 2009 at 9:49, Michael Müller-Hillebrand wrote: > In the past there were two editions of FrameMaker: an English-only > version, and an international version which cou

RE: Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-21 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Mike, Thanks for adding some balance to this thread. Another cost of doing business is the threat and defense of litigation. For example, Microsoft is regularly being sued by the European Union. I am sure that these costs are passed on to European customers. I found it amusing when the US Justi

Re: Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-21 Thread Mike Wickham
>> Dov, don't read this: The price difference between "feuds" (read: >> countries) is a total discrimination and should be fought against by >> the UN. > Especially in an age where data can be shunted around the globe with > relative > ease. The only barriers to pricing equality are notional, or i

Re: Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-21 Thread Klaus Daube
On 19 Oct 2009 at 9:49, Michael Müller-Hillebrand wrote: > In the past there were two editions of FrameMaker: an English-only > version, and an international version which could be installed with > English, French, German, or Japanese UI. I don't know if that is still > true. Well, let's stop

Re: Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-20 Thread Alan Litchfield
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > In the US versions I have laid my hands on there is the option of > several languages and, AFAIK, there is no difference between the > issues, but I have not bought anything more recent than 7.2. > > For the main question: Have I ever talked about Big-Business-Feudal-S

Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-20 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
In the US versions I have laid my hands on there is the option of several languages and, AFAIK, there is no difference between the issues, but I have not bought anything more recent than 7.2. For the main question: Have I ever talked about Big-Business-Feudal-System? Dov, don't read this: The pri

Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-20 Thread Art Campbell
I believe the product manager's name and email are on the Adobe FM/TCS blog. FM is being coded in India at the moment, but I don't know if the product management is based there or in California. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in th

Re: Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-20 Thread Art Campbell
I believe the product manager's name and email are on the Adobe FM/TCS blog. FM is being coded in India at the moment, but I don't know if the product management is based there or in California. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this

Re: Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-20 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
In the US versions I have laid my hands on there is the option of several languages and, AFAIK, there is no difference between the issues, but I have not bought anything more recent than 7.2. For the main question: Have I ever talked about Big-Business-Feudal-System? Dov, don't read this: The pri

Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-19 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand
Wow, I learn new vocabulary on this list. My dictionary tells me: > rort |r?rt| > noun Austral., informal > 1 [often with adj. ] a fraudulent or dishonest act or practice : a > tax rort. > 2 a wild party. I assume you are not talking about the admission fee to a wild upgrade party ;-) The p

Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-19 Thread Alan Litchfield
Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515 for the same thing for International customers. There are no shipping costs when it has been downloaded and even if shipping were included I don't see how

Re: Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-19 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand
Wow, I learn new vocabulary on this list. My dictionary tells me: > rort |rɔrt| > noun Austral., informal > 1 [often with adj. ] a fraudulent or dishonest act or practice : a > tax rort. > 2 a wild party. I assume you are not talking about the admission fee to a wild upgrade party ;-) The p

RE: Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-18 Thread Dov Isaacs
9 12:40 PM > To: FrameUsers List > Subject: Adobe's upgrade rort > > Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the > upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515 > for the same thing for International customers. > >

Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-18 Thread Dov Isaacs
, 2009 12:40 PM > To: FrameUsers List > Subject: Adobe's upgrade rort > > Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the > upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515 > for the same thing for International customers. > >

Adobe's upgrade rort

2009-10-18 Thread Alan Litchfield
Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515 for the same thing for International customers. There are no shipping costs when it has been downloaded and even if shipping were included I don't see how