Structured FM font issue ; char tag applied but format is not being applied WAS: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Craig Ede]

This might be the perfect time for this question:

In a structured xml document we've defined an element called uni that is used 
to contain glyphs that are known to exist in Arial Unicode MS. Most of the rest 
of the document text is in Arial. We have the uni element mapping to a 
character tag called unicodeFont that is defined to change the font family to 
Arial Unicode MS and set the Weight and Variation as Regular.

 

When the xml is brought into Framemaker, all the uni elements end up as 
Arial, many of which then show as question marks, yet they are tagged with the 
correct character format. If we select one and change the family to Arial 
Unicode MS and update all, all the characters become what we expect.

 

If anyone can explain why these are not coming in as Arial Unicode MS as they 
should, I would greatly appreciate it. Our italics formatting uses the same 
strategy, and it works. Why would the Font Family be different.

 

Thanks.

Craig

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RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Ann Zdunczyk]

For years I have used a software product called PopChar. I displays all the
characters in a font and by clicking on the character it will place it in
your application. Here is the URL:
http://www.ergonis.com/products/popcharx/. It works on MAC and PC.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 2:46 PM
To: Nancy Allison; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Can't enter alpha character in text

Are you sure there's an alpha in the font you're using? You can inspect it
with Windows' Character Map utility. It will indicate the key sequence to
type it in the status bar.

If you're using a Unicode font, 097 is wrong. Use one of the methods
documented here:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/3b1/index.htm

Or just cut and paste from the browser test page that links to.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:
 Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.

  I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple 
 thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or 
 a lower-case
 a) into text.

 The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special 
 character set does not work (it comes out as an x).
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Can't enter alpha character in text

[Ann Zdunczyk]

For years I have used a software product called PopChar. I displays all the
characters in a font and by clicking on the character it will place it in
your application. Here is the URL:
http://www.ergonis.com/products/popcharx/. It works on MAC and PC.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 2:46 PM
To: Nancy Allison; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Can't enter alpha character in text

Are you sure there's an alpha in the font you're using? You can inspect it
with Windows' Character Map utility. It will indicate the key sequence to
type it in the status bar.

If you're using a Unicode font, 097 is wrong. Use one of the methods
documented here:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/3b1/index.htm

Or just cut and paste from the "browser test page" that links to.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
> Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.
>
>  I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple 
> thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or 
> a lower-case
> a) into text.
>
> The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special 
> character set does not work (it comes out as an "x").
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Can't enter alpha character in text

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, all. I use FM 10on a Windows 7 system.I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into text.The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone cross-eyed trying to find the character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a way to search for the character. If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be very grateful.--Nancy
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RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Alt-097 is simply the character lower-case ‘a’. Enter it, highlight it and then 
set it to the symbol font (using the character designer preferably!) and it 
will show you what you want.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:18 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.

 I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am 
trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into 
text.

The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character 
set does not work (it comes out as an x). I have gone cross-eyed trying to 
find the character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a 
way to search for the character.

If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be very grateful.

--Nancy
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Re: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Jul-19 2:17 PM, Nancy Allison wrote:

Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.
 I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple 
thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or 
a lower-case a) into text.
The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special 
character set does not work (it comes out as an x). I have gone 
cross-eyed trying to find the character in the Character Palette, 
which does not seem to provide a way to search for the character.




You can make a variable containing \u03B1 and insert it as required, 
provided the font you are using contains that glyph.


HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

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Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Nancy Allison]

Hi. I got the information from http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0CD0QFjAAurl="">Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I hoped it would work for FM 10, too.Obviously, I need to update my understanding of FM 10 and character sets.Thanks, everyone. I am saving your responses for reference the next time the special-character struggle comes up. Which it will.On 07/19/13, Fred Ridderdocu...@hotmail.com wrote:Where did you get that 097 code point? 
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Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Lin Sims]

Hi Nancy,

If you look closely at the table, you'll see that the alpha symbol appears
in the Symbol font column. In other words, Adobe/Frame is advising that you
enter ANSI 097 (for a) and apply the Symbol font. So you understood just
fine, you just missed the last step. At the end of the week, that's
understandable!

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:

  Hi. I got the information from


 http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0CD0QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdfei=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAwusg=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNAsig2=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMgbvm=bv.49478099,d.aWM

 Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I
 hoped it would work for FM 10, too.

 Obviously, I need to update my understanding of FM 10 and character sets.

 Thanks, everyone. I am saving your responses for reference the next time
 the special-character struggle comes up. Which it will.


 On 07/19/13, Fred Ridderdocu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Where did you get that 097 code point?

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RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Fred Ridder]

The table that contains the ANSI 097 - lower-case alpha mapping is in the 
section titled Symbol and ZapfDingbats character sets and the lower-case 
alpha character and character name are in the column of the table headed 
Symbol set: graphic and name. What this tells you is that this character 
mapping applies *only* to the Symbol font. This method--relying on the 
character mapping of a specific font--is the old, pre-Unicode way of 
implementing special characters. The rightmost columns of the same table tell 
you that the same ANSI code will produce an outlined, 8-petal floral dingbat if 
the character is formatted as ZapfDingbats.

Unless you have a specific requirement to avoid Unicode (e.g., a need to 
produce MIF files that are compatible with FM versions prior to v8), it is 
generally better to reference special characters by their Unicode hex code, 
which is (theoretically, at least) universal in any Unicode font that supports 
the codepage that contains the character.

-FR


Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:12:25 -0500
From: ma...@verizon.net
To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

 Hi. I got the information from  
http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0CD0QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdfei=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAwusg=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNAsig2=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMgbvm=bv.49478099,d.aWM
 Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I 
hoped it would work for FM 10, too. Obviously, I need to update my 
understanding of FM 10 and character sets. Thanks, everyone. I am saving your 
responses for reference the next time the special-character struggle comes up. 
Which it will.  On 07/19/13, Fred Ridderdocu...@hotmail.com wrote: Where did 
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RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Fred Ridder]

Where did you get that 097 code point?  Decimal 097 (hex 0061) is actually the 
code point for a Latin lower-case a, and perhaps the instruction you cite 
assumed that you would format the character as Symbol font, which maps the 
Greek alphabet to the corresponding Latin alphabet code points and yields an 
alpha glyph in place of a Latin a glyph.

But if you're using a Unicode font that supports the appropriate codepage, you 
should be able to use the code point for the proper Greek character, which is 
hex 03B1 (u+03B1). There are several ways to insert this character:
You can use the Character palette (File  Utilities  Character Palette)
You can use the File  Utilities  Hex Input commandYou can type it directly 
using the hex keypad mode described in the list last weekYou can copy the 
character from the Windows Character Map tool and paste it into the FrameMaker 
document.

-Fred Ridder


Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:17:34 -0500
From: ma...@verizon.net
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.  I am wasting way, way too much 
time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am trying to insert a lower case 
alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into text. The key code 
Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character set does not 
work (it comes out as an x). I have gone cross-eyed trying to find the 
character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a way to 
search for the character.  If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be 
very grateful. --Nancy


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RE: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

FM 9 and FM 10 should work identically in regard to _this_ font issue, so no 
need to worry about that in this case. :)

Most importantly, from that link document, on page 13, it shows that you need 
to use the Symbol font to get an alpha (for the value 097).

Z

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:12 PM
To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

 Hi. I got the information from

http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0CD0QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdfei=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAwusg=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNAsig2=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMgbvm=bv.49478099,d.aWM

Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I hoped 
it would work for FM 10, too.

Obviously, I need to update my understanding of FM 10 and character sets.

Thanks, everyone. I am saving your responses for reference the next time the 
special-character struggle comes up. Which it will.


On 07/19/13, Fred Ridderdocu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

Where did you get that 097 code point?
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Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, all.Well, life turned out to be simpler than I'd feared.(Syed, I didn't get the result you describe. As you stated, Alt-097 produces a lowercase a (in Arial, anyway). When I switch it to Symbol, I got a small uppercase A in what looks like a serif font.)However, I copied and pasted my source text from a Word file into NotePad. The symbol came through. I then copied and pasted it into FrameMaker. The symbol came through again!So I'm all set for now. Gawd, if I never had to struggle with another font issue, I would die happy.Thanks, everyone. Happy Friday!On 07/19/13, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:Alt-097 is simply the character lower-case ‘a’. Enter it, highlight it and then set it to the symbol font (using the character designer preferably!) and it will show you what you want.ZFrom: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy AllisonSent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:18 AMTo: framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject: Can't enter alpha character in textHi, all. I use FM 10on a Windows 7 system.I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into text.The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone cross-eyed trying to find the character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a way to search for the character. If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be very grateful.--Nancy
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Re: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Robert Lauriston]

Are you sure there's an alpha in the font you're using? You can
inspect it with Windows' Character Map utility. It will indicate the
key sequence to type it in the status bar.

If you're using a Unicode font, 097 is wrong. Use one of the methods
documented here:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/3b1/index.htm

Or just cut and paste from the browser test page that links to.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:
 Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.

  I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I
 am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case
 a) into text.

 The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character
 set does not work (it comes out as an x).
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[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Jul-19 2:17 PM, Nancy Allison wrote:
> Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.
>  I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple 
> thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or 
> a lower-case a) into text.
> The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special 
> character set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone 
> cross-eyed trying to find the character in the Character Palette, 
> which does not seem to provide a way to search for the character.
>

You can make a variable containing \u03B1 and insert it as required, 
provided the font you are using contains that glyph.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

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[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Alt-097 is simply the character lower-case ?a?. Enter it, highlight it and then 
set it to the symbol font (using the character designer preferably!) and it 
will show you what you want.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:18 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.

 I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am 
trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into 
text.

The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character 
set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone cross-eyed trying to 
find the character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a 
way to search for the character.

If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be very grateful.

--Nancy
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[Fred Ridder]

Where did you get that 097 code point?  Decimal 097 (hex 0061) is actually the 
code point for a Latin lower-case "a", and perhaps the instruction you cite 
assumed that you would format the character as Symbol font, which maps the 
Greek alphabet to the corresponding Latin alphabet code points and yields an 
alpha glyph in place of a Latin "a" glyph.

But if you're using a Unicode font that supports the appropriate codepage, you 
should be able to use the code point for the proper Greek character, which is 
hex 03B1 (u+03B1). There are several ways to insert this character:
You can use the Character palette (File > Utilities > Character Palette)
You can use the File > Utilities > Hex Input commandYou can type it directly 
using the hex keypad mode described in the list last weekYou can copy the 
character from the Windows Character Map tool and paste it into the FrameMaker 
document.

-Fred Ridder


Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:17:34 -0500
From: ma...@verizon.net
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.  I am wasting way, way too much 
time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am trying to insert a lower case 
alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into text. The key code 
Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character set does not 
work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone cross-eyed trying to find the 
character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a way to 
search for the character.  If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be 
very grateful. --Nancy



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[Lin Sims]

Hi Nancy,

If you look closely at the table, you'll see that the alpha symbol appears
in the Symbol font column. In other words, Adobe/Frame is advising that you
enter ANSI 097 (for "a") and apply the Symbol font. So you understood just
fine, you just missed the last step. At the end of the week, that's
understandable!

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Nancy Allison  wrote:

>  Hi. I got the information from
>
>
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=1=web=1=rja=0CD0QFjAA=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdf=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAw=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNA=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMg=bv.49478099,d.aWM
>
> Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I
> hoped it would work for FM 10, too.
>
> Obviously, I need to update my understanding of FM 10 and character sets.
>
> Thanks, everyone. I am saving your responses for reference the next time
> the special-character struggle comes up. Which it will.
>
>
> On 07/19/13, Fred Ridder wrote:
>
> Where did you get that 097 code point?
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[Fred Ridder]

The table that contains the ANSI 097 <-> lower-case alpha mapping is in the 
section titled "Symbol and ZapfDingbats character sets" and the lower-case 
alpha character and character name are in the column of the table headed 
"Symbol set: graphic and name". What this tells you is that this character 
mapping applies *only* to the Symbol font. This method--relying on the 
character mapping of a specific font--is the old, pre-Unicode way of 
implementing special characters. The rightmost columns of the same table tell 
you that the same ANSI code will produce an outlined, 8-petal floral dingbat if 
the character is formatted as ZapfDingbats.

Unless you have a specific requirement to avoid Unicode (e.g., a need to 
produce MIF files that are compatible with FM versions prior to v8), it is 
generally better to reference special characters by their Unicode hex code, 
which is (theoretically, at least) universal in any Unicode font that supports 
the codepage that contains the character.

-FR


Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:12:25 -0500
From: ma...@verizon.net
To: docudoc at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

 Hi. I got the information from  
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=1=web=1=rja=0CD0QFjAA=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdf=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAw=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNA=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMg=bv.49478099,d.aWM
 Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I 
hoped it would work for FM 10, too. Obviously, I need to update my 
understanding of FM 10 and character sets. Thanks, everyone. I am saving your 
responses for reference the next time the special-character struggle comes up. 
Which it will.  On 07/19/13, Fred Ridder wrote: Where 
did you get that 097 code point?   
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[Combs, Richard]

Fred Ridder wrote:

> The table that contains the ANSI 097 <-> lower-case alpha mapping is in the
> section titled "Symbol and ZapfDingbats character sets" and the lower-case
> alpha character and character name are in the column of the table headed
> "Symbol set: graphic and name". What this tells you is that this character
> mapping applies *only* to the Symbol font. This method--relying on the
> character mapping of a specific font--is the old, pre-Unicode way of
> implementing special characters. The rightmost columns of the same table tell
> you that the same ANSI code will produce an outlined, 8-petal floral dingbat
> if the character is formatted as ZapfDingbats.
> 
> Unless you have a specific requirement to avoid Unicode (e.g., a need to
> produce MIF files that are compatible with FM versions prior to v8), it is
> generally better to reference special characters by their Unicode hex code,
> which is (theoretically, at least) universal in any Unicode font that supports
> the codepage that contains the character.

In fact, if you read "FrameMaker 9 character sets" on page 4 of that PDF 
instead of jumping to the tables in the "Support for FrameMaker 7.x character 
set" section, you'll see information about how to enter Unicode characters, and 
it mirrors what Fred posted earlier. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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Can't enter alpha character in text

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hmmm ? do you have the symbol font installed? The symptom you describe is what 
generally what I see happen when a font is not available to FM ? it just 
displays the base character (?a? in this case).

Because, I just tested it in FM and it worked fine for me!

Of course, if you are using Unicode fonts, then it is better to use the Unicode 
value for the alpha character rather than an ?a? in the symbol font. I based my 
response (i.e., using 097) from your original question. J

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:45 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi, all.

Well, life turned out to be simpler than I'd feared.

(Syed, I didn't get the result you describe. As you stated, Alt-097 produces a 
lowercase a (in Arial, anyway). When I switch it to Symbol, I got a small 
uppercase A in what looks like a serif font.)

However, I copied and pasted my source text from a Word file into NotePad. The 
symbol came through. I then copied and pasted it into FrameMaker. The symbol 
came through again!

So I'm all set for now. Gawd, if I never had to struggle with another font 
issue, I would die happy.

 Thanks, everyone. Happy Friday!
On 07/19/13, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)%3cSyed.Hosain at aeris.net>> wrote:

Alt-097 is simply the character lower-case ?a?. Enter it, highlight it and then 
set it to the symbol font (using the character designer preferably!) and it 
will show you what you want.

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:18 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.

 I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am 
trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into 
text.

The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character 
set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone cross-eyed trying to 
find the character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a 
way to search for the character.

If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be very grateful.

--Nancy
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[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

FM 9 and FM 10 should work identically in regard to _this_ font issue, so no 
need to worry about that in this case. :)

Most importantly, from that link document, on page 13, it shows that you need 
to use the Symbol font to get an alpha (for the value 097).

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:12 PM
To: docudoc at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

 Hi. I got the information from

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=1=web=1=rja=0CD0QFjAA=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdf=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAw=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNA=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMg=bv.49478099,d.aWM

Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I hoped 
it would work for FM 10, too.

Obviously, I need to update my understanding of FM 10 and character sets.

Thanks, everyone. I am saving your responses for reference the next time the 
special-character struggle comes up. Which it will.


On 07/19/13, Fred Riddermailto:docudoc at hotmail.com>> 
wrote:

Where did you get that 097 code point?
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[Robert Lauriston]

Are you sure there's an alpha in the font you're using? You can
inspect it with Windows' Character Map utility. It will indicate the
key sequence to type it in the status bar.

If you're using a Unicode font, 097 is wrong. Use one of the methods
documented here:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/3b1/index.htm

Or just cut and paste from the "browser test page" that links to.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
> Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.
>
>  I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I
> am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case
> a) into text.
>
> The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character
> set does not work (it comes out as an "x").

Structured FM font issue ; char tag applied but format is not being applied WAS: Can't enter alpha character in text

[Craig Ede]

This might be the perfect time for this question:

In a structured xml document we've defined an element called  that is used 
to contain glyphs that are known to exist in Arial Unicode MS. Most of the rest 
of the document text is in Arial. We have the  element mapping to a 
character tag called unicodeFont that is defined to change the font family to 
Arial Unicode MS and set the Weight and Variation as Regular.



When the xml is brought into Framemaker, all the  elements end up as 
Arial, many of which then show as question marks, yet they are tagged with the 
correct character format. If we select one and change the family to Arial 
Unicode MS and update all, all the characters become what we expect.



If anyone can explain why these are not coming in as Arial Unicode MS as they 
should, I would greatly appreciate it. Our italics formatting uses the same 
strategy, and it works. Why would the Font Family be different.



Thanks.

Craig

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