OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-20 Thread Marcus Carr
will white wrote: > I'm dubious that folks in most development environments have the > leisure to dawdle around in a wiki when they have their own workloads > to get through. Or am I misunderstanding the charm of a wiki? It > sounds like a mechanism to convince other people to do my work. W

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Peter Ring
If it is good enough for IBM, it is probably job safe in smaller companies: http://www.ibm.com/redbooks/redwiki Some lists of wiki systems, proprietary as well as free: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines http://www.wikimatrix.org/

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Marcus Carr
will white wrote: I'm dubious that folks in most development environments have the leisure to dawdle around in a wiki when they have their own workloads to get through. Or am I misunderstanding the charm of a wiki? It sounds like a mechanism to convince other people to do my work. Wikis a

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Peter Ring
Wikis are quite heavily used on company intranets for "conversational knowledge management". You do seem to be mistaken about what wikis are used for. Kind regards Peter Ring Whites wrote: > > I'm dubious that folks in most development environments have the leisure > to dawdle around in a wi

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 05:05 -0700 19/3/07, Whites wrote: >Back in the old days we were taught to use different relative pronouns for >persons and things. To my ancient ears "writers that use Wikis" is just >slovenly English. Still, it's better than "writers what use Wikis", but I >would expect "writers who use

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
I don't quite understand. You subscribe to this very informative list. How much are YOU paying the people who are letting their lights shine in this list? How much are they demanding? As I see this, Wiki is based on the same generic principal: the inner need to help, the inner need to let your lig

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 18:39 -0700 18/3/07, Whites wrote: >For starters, to the guy at SFSU trying to learn how to write, take another >run at that sentence: "I am writing a white paper for my class, and I'm >searching for writers who use wikis." Deconstruct, please, Will... ;-) Is it the comma before the conjunct

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Keith Arnett
e the time or inclination to do this. Regards, Keith Arnett Senior Technical Writer webMethods, Inc.\ Fairfax VA -Original Message----- Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:39:13 -0700 From: Whites Subject: Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis To: Diane Gaskill Cc: Framers For starters, to the guy at SFSU

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Ron Miller
I see here a key difference in this discussion. One is the open wiki like Wikipedia. The other is a corporate blog or wiki. The implementation is similar, but inside a company, the wiki contains information from trusted sources about *your* project. It provides a forum and a structure to commun

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Ron Miller
I disagree. I think Wikis can be very useful and hardly dawdling--could actually save time. They can provide a central place to share tips and tricks, to announce code updates, share code snippets and other information useful to a team. What's more when used with an environment like Sharepoint,

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Keith Arnett
e the time or inclination to do this. Regards, Keith Arnett Senior Technical Writer webMethods, Inc.\ Fairfax VA -Original Message- Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:39:13 -0700 From: Whites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis To: Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
Good point. And when you think about it, a blog is just a way of posting news items from a database. A wiki is like a "sub-web," in that it makes it easier to link between topics than using HTML. Either can be used for good... or (demonic laugh) vil. --- Ron Miller wrote: > I see here a

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Peter Ring
If it is good enough for IBM, it is probably job safe in smaller companies: http://www.ibm.com/redbooks/redwiki Some lists of wiki systems, proprietary as well as free: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines http://www.wikimatrix.org/ htt

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
I won't use WikiPedia as a source anymore because I've been burned too many times. The writers tell you what they want to tell you, which is often far from comprehensive. It's a very biased, often inaccurate, source. It's worth the extra five minutes to do the real research. However, wikis as a c

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
I guess it depends on how informed, disciplined and articulate their inner lights are then. I've seen some good things from Open Source, and some total failures. Two products I use daily were developed by single individuals to a standard higher than most Open Source projects. --- Bodvar Bjorgvins

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 05:05 -0700 19/3/07, Whites wrote: >Back in the old days we were taught to use different relative pronouns for >persons and things. To my ancient ears "writers that use Wikis" is just >slovenly English. Still, it's better than "writers what use Wikis", but I >would expect "writers who use

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Ron Miller
I see here a key difference in this discussion. One is the open wiki like Wikipedia. The other is a corporate blog or wiki. The implementation is similar, but inside a company, the wiki contains information from trusted sources about *your* project. It provides a forum and a structure to commu

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Ron Miller
I disagree. I think Wikis can be very useful and hardly dawdling--could actually save time. They can provide a central place to share tips and tricks, to announce code updates, share code snippets and other information useful to a team. What's more when used with an environment like Sharepoint

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
Good point. And when you think about it, a blog is just a way of posting news items from a database. A wiki is like a "sub-web," in that it makes it easier to link between topics than using HTML. Either can be used for good... or (demonic laugh) vil. --- Ron Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
I won't use WikiPedia as a source anymore because I've been burned too many times. The writers tell you what they want to tell you, which is often far from comprehensive. It's a very biased, often inaccurate, source. It's worth the extra five minutes to do the real research. However, wikis as a c

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
I guess it depends on how informed, disciplined and articulate their inner lights are then. I've seen some good things from Open Source, and some total failures. Two products I use daily were developed by single individuals to a standard higher than most Open Source projects. --- Bodvar Bjorgvins

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Peter Ring
Wikis are quite heavily used on company intranets for "conversational knowledge management". You do seem to be mistaken about what wikis are used for. Kind regards Peter Ring Whites wrote: I'm dubious that folks in most development environments have the leisure to dawdle around in a wiki w

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
I don't quite understand. You subscribe to this very informative list. How much are YOU paying the people who are letting their lights shine in this list? How much are they demanding? As I see this, Wiki is based on the same generic principal: the inner need to help, the inner need to let your li

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-19 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 18:39 -0700 18/3/07, Whites wrote: >For starters, to the guy at SFSU trying to learn how to write, take another >run at that sentence: "I am writing a white paper for my class, and I'm >searching for writers who use wikis." Deconstruct, please, Will... ;-) Is it the comma before the conjunct

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-18 Thread Whites
For starters, to the guy at SFSU trying to learn how to write, take another run at that sentence: "I am writing a white paper for my class, and I'm searching for writers who use wikis." I've been asked before what I thought about wikis in a software documentation environment. I suspect that

Re: OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-18 Thread Whites
For starters, to the guy at SFSU trying to learn how to write, take another run at that sentence: "I am writing a white paper for my class, and I'm searching for writers who use wikis." I've been asked before what I thought about wikis in a software documentation environment. I suspect that

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-18 Thread Diane Gaskill
If you are a TW in San Francisco and would like to help this TW student, please reply directly to him. Thanks, Diane === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [silicon-valley-technical-writers]

OT: Tech Writers & Wikis

2007-03-18 Thread Diane Gaskill
If you are a TW in San Francisco and would like to help this TW student, please reply directly to him. Thanks, Diane === -Original Message- From: silicon-valley-technical-writ...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:09 AM To: silicon-valley-technical-write