RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Zimmerman, Gary]

Calling Klaus Daube...  :)


> -Original Message-
> From: Harding, Dan
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:22 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
> 
> ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer
> gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk,
> blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gewerken
> bei das dumpkopfen. Das rubbernecken sichtseeren keepen das cotten-
> pickenen hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:55 AM
> To: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
> 
> David Davis said:
> > In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns,
> so you'd have the equivalent of "Usermanual"  (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but
> English prefers to leave a space.
> 
> Indeed! :)
> 
> Reminds me of the time I was helping a fraternity brother (fluent German
> speaker) translate a highly technical document from German to English for
> his summer job and we encountered this (or some similar) word:
> "SchwebendeElektroMagnetischenFeld"  and that was one of the simpler
> compound words there!
> 
> The translation we provided in English was "Levitating Electro-Magnetic
> Field". The word "Schwebende" means something else I think, but the
> context was MagLev trains, so "Levitating" seemed better to me! :)
> 
> I have never forgotten this story even though it has been 40 years now. I
> ended up sudying German for two semesters the year after that summer -
> needed it as a foreign language requirement.
> 
> Z
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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Tim Pann]

Gemeinschaftsgeful is a beautiful word. Even more off topic, my last name, 
Pann, as best I can estimate, is from Panne, which means mechanical breakdown.

Why "mechanical breakdown" would be such a short word in German rather than a 
long concatenation of strung-together words I don't know, but it is what it is 
and I am apparently it.

Tim Mechanical Breakdown

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Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:59 AM
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Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual

>That's some of the most impressive pseudogerman I've ever seen. Kudos! :D

We are getting truly off topic, but my favorite German compound is 
'Gemeinschaftsgefül' (if I have spelled it correctly). It's a real word, taken 
from Adlerian psychology, and is rather lovely. It means, as best I know, 'a 
spontaneous feeling of unity with the whole of Mankind'.

Which I get a bit of from this group.

To make this e-mail a bit more on-topic, in the UK at least I have never come 
across 'User's Manual', only 'User Manual' or 'User Guide'.

--
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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Craig, Alison]

I prefer to think of it as a manual intended for - not owned by - users.

Alison


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From: Shmuel [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 7:19 AM
To: Craig, Alison; hessiansx4; Framers
Subject: Re: User's manual vs. User manual

We use User's Manual. User's Manual is the manual for the User. How do explain 
the name User Manual? If it means the same thing, isn't it missing the 
"apostrophe s"?

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On 14-Mar-15 1:44 AM, Craig, Alison wrote:
Personally, I've always preferred User Manual.

I find the other option awkward to say as well as awkward looking.

Alison


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Subject: User's manual vs. User manual

  Any thoughts on which is preferable for hardware products?




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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Steve Rickaby]

>That's some of the most impressive pseudogerman I've ever seen. Kudos! :D

We are getting truly off topic, but my favorite German compound is 
'Gemeinschaftsgefül' (if I have spelled it correctly). It's a real word, taken 
from Adlerian psychology, and is rather lovely. It means, as best I know, 'a 
spontaneous feeling of unity with the whole of Mankind'.

Which I get a bit of from this group.

To make this e-mail a bit more on-topic, in the UK at least I have never come 
across 'User's Manual', only 'User Manual' or 'User Guide'.

-- 
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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Harding, Dan]

Lest anyone think I created that, I plagiarized shamelessly. Apparently it has 
been around since the 1960s, a "classic" as it were.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lea Rush
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Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual

That's some of the most impressive pseudogerman I've ever seen. Kudos! :D

Lea Rush
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P: 800-536-3111, +1-503-657-3010

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan
Sent: March 16, 2015 9:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual

ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken 
und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und 
poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. 
Das rubbernecken sichtseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen hans in das pockets 
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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

This is from an old e-mail I sent to the Framers list not quite 5 years ago.

I got this from my sister and ... I am sorry ... I _cannot_ resist sending this 
completely off-topic response. Please forgive me in advance!

Z

Subject: English will become official European Language.

The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be 
the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the 
other possibility.

As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English 
spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan 
that would become known as 'Euro-English'.

In the first year, 's' will replace the soft 'c'. Sertainly, this will make the 
sivil servants jump with joy. The hard 'c' will be dropped in favour of 'k'. 
This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome 
'ph' will be replaced with 'f'. This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expected to reach 
the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.

Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben 
a deterent to akurate speling.

Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent 'e' in the language is 
disgrasful and it should go away.

By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as Replasing 'th' with 'z' 
and 'w' with 'v'.

During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary 'o' kan be dropd from vords containing 'ou' 
and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl.

Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU understand 
ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru. Und efter ze fifz yer, ve 
vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.

If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual

ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken 
und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und 
poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. 
Das rubbernecken sichtseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen hans in das pockets 
muss; relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:55 AM
To: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual

David Davis said:
> In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns, so 
> you'd have the equivalent of "Usermanual"  (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but 
> English prefers to leave a space.

Indeed! :) 

Reminds me of the time I was helping a fraternity brother (fluent German 
speaker) translate a highly technical document from German to English for his 
summer job and we encountered this (or some similar) word: 
"SchwebendeElektroMagnetischenFeld"  and that was one of the simpler 
compound words there!

The translation we provided in English was "Levitating Electro-Magnetic Field". 
The word "Schwebende" means something else I think, but the context was MagLev 
trains, so "Levitating" seemed better to me! :)

I have never forgotten this story even though it has been 40 years now. I ended 
up sudying German for two semesters the year after that summer - needed it as a 
foreign language requirement. 

Z

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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Lea Rush]

That's some of the most impressive pseudogerman I've ever seen. Kudos! :D

Lea Rush 
Software and Documentation Specialist 
Astoria-Pacific
www.astoria-pacific.com
P: 800-536-3111, +1-503-657-3010

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan
Sent: March 16, 2015 9:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual

ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken 
und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und 
poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. 
Das rubbernecken sichtseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen hans in das pockets 
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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Harding, Dan]

ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken 
und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und 
poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. 
Das rubbernecken sichtseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen hans in das pockets 
muss; relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten.



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:55 AM
To: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual

David Davis said:
> In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns, so 
> you'd have the equivalent of "Usermanual"  (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but 
> English prefers to leave a space.

Indeed! :) 

Reminds me of the time I was helping a fraternity brother (fluent German 
speaker) translate a highly technical document from German to English for his 
summer job and we encountered this (or some similar) word: 
"SchwebendeElektroMagnetischenFeld"  and that was one of the simpler 
compound words there!

The translation we provided in English was "Levitating Electro-Magnetic Field". 
The word "Schwebende" means something else I think, but the context was MagLev 
trains, so "Levitating" seemed better to me! :)

I have never forgotten this story even though it has been 40 years now. I ended 
up sudying German for two semesters the year after that summer - needed it as a 
foreign language requirement. 

Z

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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

David Davis said:
> In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns, so 
> you'd have the equivalent of "Usermanual"  (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but 
> English prefers to leave a space.

Indeed! :) 

Reminds me of the time I was helping a fraternity brother (fluent German 
speaker) translate a highly technical document from German to English for his 
summer job and we encountered this (or some similar) word: 
"SchwebendeElektroMagnetischenFeld"  and that was one of the simpler 
compound words there!

The translation we provided in English was "Levitating Electro-Magnetic Field". 
The word "Schwebende" means something else I think, but the context was MagLev 
trains, so "Levitating" seemed better to me! :)

I have never forgotten this story even though it has been 40 years now. I ended 
up sudying German for two semesters the year after that summer - needed it as a 
foreign language requirement. 

Z

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Re: User's manual vs. User manual

[hessiansx4]

Thanks for your quick, and often humorous responses. (It's Monday and 
laughter-inducing answers are always welcomed!) We are going to go with "User 
Manual" for brevity and translation considerations. This group rocks! 


 On Monday, March 16, 2015 4:51 AM, "Davis, David" 
 wrote:
   

 Well what if you have more than one user? Then it would have to be "Users' 
Manual" :)

It's easier to avoid that fuss and just called it "User Manual".

In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns, so you'd 
have the equivalent of "Usermanual"  (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but English 
prefers to leave a space.

_

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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[David Artman]

We avoid this issue by naming books after their functional scope:
'Widget' Installation
'Widget' Operation
'Widget' Administration
(etc)
 
The thinking being (a) we avoid this whole thread, (b) we don't have to superfluous terms like "manual" or "guide" that state the obvious, and (c) end users typically have a functional domain and, as such, only want/need content that addresses their work. Installation is typically one-time, perhaps not even done by the customer; Operation is day-to-day routines; Administration is typically one-time plus regular maintenance and infrequent adjustments (e.g., new regulations) or additions (e.g., new users due to new employees). Also, a given site might require several Operation manuals but only one Admin manual.
 
I realize this is more than you asked for, but there's more to consider than just (bad) use of possessive.
David

 Original Message Subject: User's manual vs. User manualFrom: hessiansx4 Date: Fri, March 13, 2015 6:10 pmTo: Framers 

  Any thoughts on which is preferable for hardware products?


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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Harding, Dan]

Or get away from the whole conundrum entirely.

Calling the hardware in question a “widget”, for the moment:

Widget Instruction Manual
Widget Reference Manual
Guide to Using Widgets
Widget How-To Guide
Widgets 101
Widgets and You
1001 Uses for Widgets
Widgetology
Everything You Always Wanted to Know about Widgets, but Your Mother Wouldn’t 
Tell You

-Dan

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  Any thoughts on which is preferable for hardware products?
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Re: User's manual vs. User manual

[Steve Rickaby]

Applying the Google Popularity Test (yeah, I know) gives:

User Manual: 223 million hits

User's Manual: 19.7 million hits

It would seem therefore that the former is 11.3197 times more usual ;-)

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Re: User's manual vs. User manual

[Shmuel]

  
  
We use User’s Manual. User’s Manual is the manual for the User. How
do explain the name User Manual? If it means the same thing, isn't
it missing the "apostrophe s"? 

--
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Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 14-Mar-15 1:44 AM, Craig, Alison
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Personally, I’ve always
preferred
User Manual. 
 
I find the other option
awkward to say as well as awkward looking.
 
Alison
 
 

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Re: User's manual vs. User manual

[Shmuel]

  
  
We use User’s Manual. User’s Manual is the manual for the User. How
do explain the name User Manual? If it means the same thing, isn't
it missing the "apostrophe s"? 

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On 14-Mar-15 1:44 AM, Craig, Alison
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Personally, I’ve always
preferred
User Manual. 
 
I find the other option
awkward to say as well as awkward looking.
 
Alison
 
 

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Re: User's manual vs. User manual

[Art Campbell]

Without getting into a grammar argument best left to a staff meeting where
everyone has had too much coffee, I would agree with Andrew on the Best
Practice way to name manuals/books -- that's my preference too.

But disagree with him on the nouns -- I think all those he listed are or
could arguably be compound nouns, not a singular noun/noun our
adjective/noun pair.

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On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Andrew Warren 
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> VLM Tech Subs [techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] wrote:
>
> > “User” is a noun. Nouns do not modify nouns
>
> Dish soap, car wash, road work, bicycle chain, buggy whip, winter coat,
> tree branch, dog collar, reference manual
>
> My own preference is to name the thing for WHAT it is rather than FOR WHOM
> it is:
>
> Quickstart Guide
> Installation Guide
> Reference Manual
> Operating Manual
> Instruction Manual
>
> Or be even more specific:
>
> Using the Zipchip 5000
> Guide to the QZ190
> IBM System/360 Principles of Operation
> The Tektronix 465 Oscilloscope
>
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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Craig Ede]

"User", in this case, is a limiting adjective, like butterfly in "butterfly 
migration".
I prefer that to the possessive adjective "User's".

In my mind, one is limiting the scope of the manual not identifying its 
possessor.

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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Andrew Warren]

VLM Tech Subs [techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] wrote:

> “User” is a noun. Nouns do not modify nouns

Dish soap, car wash, road work, bicycle chain, buggy whip, winter coat, tree 
branch, dog collar, reference manual

My own preference is to name the thing for WHAT it is rather than FOR WHOM it 
is:

Quickstart Guide
Installation Guide
Reference Manual
Operating Manual
Instruction Manual
 
Or be even more specific:
 
Using the Zipchip 5000
Guide to the QZ190
IBM System/360 Principles of Operation
The Tektronix 465 Oscilloscope

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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[VLM Tech Subs]

“User” is a noun. Nouns do not modify nouns; adjectives—and articles, if you 
have a more traditional view of the Parts of Speech—modify nouns. 

Ergo … è User’s Manual, User’s Guide, user’s mannerisms, user’s fork, user’s 
eraser, user’s banana, etc. Of course, one could choose “Usage Manual”, or just 
plain, old, run-o’-the-mill “Manual”. But then there could be—and often used to 
be—User’s Guide/Manual, Reference Manual, and more. 

One solution to this mind-numbing conundrum might look like this:

Getting Started Guide
User’s Manual
Reference Manual
Shortcuts (often a card or the like)
Developer’s Guide (wouldn’t say “Developer Guide” … right?)
SDK Reference [Guide/Manual]
Scripting Reference [Guide/Manual]

I like to think in terms of systems. :)

Bottom line: At every opportunity, preserve our language. For these days, if we 
don’t, not many others will. 

IMO, that was at least three cents worth, what with inflation and all …  :)

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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

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Same here!

Z

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Personally, I’ve always preferred User Manual.

I find the other option awkward to say as well as awkward looking.

Alison


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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Helen Borrie]

At 12:44 p.m. 14/03/2015, Craig, Alison wrote:

>Personally, I’ve always preferred User Manual. 
> 
>I find the other option awkward to say as well as awkward looking.

I agree.  If you use the possessive version, is it going to be "User's Manual" 
or "Users' Manual" ?  Too messy.

Helen
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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Craig, Alison]

Personally, I’ve always preferred User Manual.

I find the other option awkward to say as well as awkward looking.

Alison


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