Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

2006-05-28 Thread rebecca officer
Good grief - that google search for Documents and Settings\ filetype:pdf has 
14 million hits!! Is there anything you can do to stop Word doing that when you 
print direct to Distiller?

Cheers, Rebecca

 Shlomo Perets [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/06 10:56 PM 
Dov Isaacs wrote:

... By the way, when dealing with Wurd documents, even with
PDF, be very careful that the properties don't migrate
to the PDF file. When you use the PDFMaker facility of
Acrobat some of that information in the Wurd document
does make its way into the Description part of
Document Properties  !


An Adobe Technical Note I saw a while ago had a similar recommendation (= 
turn off Convert Document Information in PDFMaker).

I disagree with this recommendation;  more in this month's Hmmm..., 
http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html
(Why bother learning how to use a feature, if you can simply disable it?)


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting  add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat



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RE: What do you use for PDF Generation?

2006-05-28 Thread Ridder, Fred
That hit count is deceptive because of the way the search was 
specified. The search returns all pages that include the word 
Document or the word Settings, not just the ones that have
inappropriate metadata strings. 

Use the search specification
Documents and Settings +pdf  
for a more relevant search result. (A quick visual scan of a 
hundred or so result listings showed that all of them included 
a pathname that included the user's login name, which was not
the case with the broader search.) But even this narrower search 
returns more than 2 million hits, including more than 200,000
documents that deal with some aspect of computer security!

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ


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Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

Good grief - that google search for Documents and Settings\
filetype:pdf has 14 million hits!! Is there anything you can do to stop
Word doing that when you print direct to Distiller?

Cheers, Rebecca

 Shlomo Perets [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/06 10:56 PM 
Dov Isaacs wrote:

... By the way, when dealing with Wurd documents, even with
PDF, be very careful that the properties don't migrate
to the PDF file. When you use the PDFMaker facility of
Acrobat some of that information in the Wurd document
does make its way into the Description part of
Document Properties  !


An Adobe Technical Note I saw a while ago had a similar recommendation
(= 
turn off Convert Document Information in PDFMaker).

I disagree with this recommendation;  more in this month's Hmmm..., 
http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html
(Why bother learning how to use a feature, if you can simply disable
it?)


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting  add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat
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Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

2006-05-28 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

Hi, Fred.

Ouch! This is exactly the reason (information inside files) that I
started this set of questions in the first place! We wanted to avoid
a problem with inadvertent hidden content in a Word or Excel file
that somebody here sent out of the company.

I was hoping that PDF would prevent it, but learned that I needed to
do something extra to prevent it! At least this info is automatically
not present in the PDF if I disable the item as suggested. In Word,
we not have such controls, as far as I know, and asking users to all
remember to change the properties, etc., is not going to work. Too
easy to forget!

So, sorry, Shlomo, I'd much rather live without the feature than
have such problems occur! :)

Z

Ridder, Fred wrote:
That hit count is deceptive because of the way the search was 
specified. The search returns all pages that include the word 
Document or the word Settings, not just the ones that have
inappropriate metadata strings. 


Use the search specification
Documents and Settings +pdf  
for a more relevant search result. (A quick visual scan of a 
hundred or so result listings showed that all of them included 
a pathname that included the user's login name, which was not
the case with the broader search.) But even this narrower search 
returns more than 2 million hits, including more than 200,000

documents that deal with some aspect of computer security!

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ


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Good grief - that google search for Documents and Settings\
filetype:pdf has 14 million hits!! Is there anything you can do to stop
Word doing that when you print direct to Distiller?

Cheers, Rebecca


Shlomo Perets [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/06 10:56 PM 

Dov Isaacs wrote:


... By the way, when dealing with Wurd documents, even with
PDF, be very careful that the properties don't migrate
to the PDF file. When you use the PDFMaker facility of
Acrobat some of that information in the Wurd document
does make its way into the Description part of
Document Properties  !



An Adobe Technical Note I saw a while ago had a similar recommendation
(= 
turn off Convert Document Information in PDFMaker).


I disagree with this recommendation;  more in this month's Hmmm..., 
http://www.microtype.com/Hmmm.html

(Why bother learning how to use a feature, if you can simply disable
it?)


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting  add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat
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Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

2006-05-23 Thread Ron Teplitz






Message: 1
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:01:28 -0700
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What do you use for PDF generation?
To: framers framers@frameusers.com
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Hi, all.

Pardon the slightly unrelated to FrameMaker questions, but I am figure
I am not too far off the mark here, since you all are likely to be very
familiar with similar polices to what I describe here.

We are standardizing on a new policy that documents/files sent outside
the company must be in PDF form only. No Word or Excel (typically) or
FrameMaker (of course! :) ) files. And, obviously, it does not include
text e-mail!

This means that we must install PDF creation software on all our user
computers ... including laptops and ones that may not be connected to the
Internet at all times.

Acrobat Professional is too expensive a solution for this, plus it is
overkill for most of our employees. We have some people who only create
documents and files in Word or Excel for example.

Hence, my questions:

1. What are you all using for PDF file creation?

2. Does it allow forms? I.e., for external folks to fill in fields and
send back the form!

3. What would you recommend we do, if you were setting up a similar
policy?

Thanks!

Z
 


Z,

Every copy of Frame I've seen for a long time included Acrobat 
Distiller, going back to at least FM 6.0. Distiller does all of what 
many folks need in the way of PDF generation. What version of Frame do 
you have? Have you checked to see if your distribution included Distiller?


Cheers,
Ron

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Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

2006-05-23 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

Ron Teplitz wrote:
Every copy of Frame I've seen for a long time included Acrobat 
Distiller, going back to at least FM 6.0. Distiller does all of what 
many folks need in the way of PDF generation. What version of Frame do 
you have? Have you checked to see if your distribution included Distiller?


Cheers,
Ron


Oh, I should have been clearer. I definitely use Acrobat Pro 7 for
my PDF creation! With output from FrameMaker and all other programs
too. :)

My questions related to the fact that we need to get PDF creation
ability for *all* the employees in our company, and the price of
Acrobat Pro (or Standard, too) would be very prohibitive. These
folks mostly do not use FrameMaker ... most are simply using Word
and Excel for their daily stuff.

Right now, I am leaning towards either Acrobat Elements or PDF995
as the preferred solution for this new policy ... those seem to
have garnered the most votes too, but I do plan on quickly looking
at some of the open-source freebie stuff as well.

What I have tried and did NOT like: PDF-Xchange. This came as a
freebie demo with some app that I got, and it simply crashes too 
often on my system. Not good enough.


Another one that was still a tad bit too expensive (as an Enterprise
total cost) was PDF Convertor 3 from Nuance. I liked it (I use my
copy of the PDF to Word convertor on occasion), but the total cost
is a bit high.

This is why PDF995 is leading the pack right now ...

Thanks!

Z


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Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:01:28 -0700
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What do you use for PDF generation?
To: framers framers@frameusers.com
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Hi, all.

Pardon the slightly unrelated to FrameMaker questions, but I am figure
I am not too far off the mark here, since you all are likely to be very
familiar with similar polices to what I describe here.

We are standardizing on a new policy that documents/files sent outside
the company must be in PDF form only. No Word or Excel (typically) or
FrameMaker (of course! :) ) files. And, obviously, it does not include
text e-mail!

This means that we must install PDF creation software on all our user
computers ... including laptops and ones that may not be connected to the
Internet at all times.

Acrobat Professional is too expensive a solution for this, plus it is
overkill for most of our employees. We have some people who only create
documents and files in Word or Excel for example.

Hence, my questions:

1. What are you all using for PDF file creation?

2. Does it allow forms? I.e., for external folks to fill in fields and
send back the form!

3. What would you recommend we do, if you were setting up a similar
policy?

Thanks!

Z


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Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

2006-05-23 Thread Mike McCallister

Z,

One other possibility is to have folks import their Word docs into
OpenOffice, and then Save as PDF.  OO does a very nice job.  I don't
have experience converting Excel to PDF in OO, but that should be OK
too.

Hope this helps,

Mike McCallister

On 5/23/06, Syed Zaeem Hosain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My questions related to the fact that we need to get PDF creation
ability for *all* the employees in our company, and the price of
Acrobat Pro (or Standard, too) would be very prohibitive. These
folks mostly do not use FrameMaker ... most are simply using Word
and Excel for their daily stuff.

Right now, I am leaning towards either Acrobat Elements or PDF995
as the preferred solution for this new policy ... those seem to
have garnered the most votes too, but I do plan on quickly looking
at some of the open-source freebie stuff as well.




 Hence, my questions:

 1. What are you all using for PDF file creation?

 2. Does it allow forms? I.e., for external folks to fill in fields and
 send back the form!

 3. What would you recommend we do, if you were setting up a similar
 policy?

 Thanks!

 Z

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Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

2006-05-23 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

Hi, Dov.

Dov Isaacs wrote:

A word of advice. Before you go loading up on el'cheapo
$9.95 PDF creation software, make sure that what it generates
is really kosher. We quite often see problems when these
PDF files escape the environment in which they were created
and attempts are made to either combine them with other PDF
files in Acrobat or to place them in FrameMaker, InDesign,
or elsewhere. Problems often manifest themselves as funky font
definitions with improper names and encodings that cause
chaos when attempts are made to repurpose those PDF files.
Just because those other employees are not publishing vast
tomes doesn't mean that they should have shoddy tools.


Good points, yes!

We have some people who create print-quality documents for which
we need to be sure that the PDF's are very high quality. For these
folks, we have Acrobat Pro installed on their systems - the right
way to go for sure!

It is the rest of the folks, who send out docs and files outside
our company for reading or review and other purposes, that we want
to have in PDF format. The purpose is to avoid having original
documents out there. The policy was created because we got burned
by properties information in a Word doc recently - an older doc
was used to create a new one and ... oops!

None of the PDF's from these other employees is likely to be used
in situations where they might cause problems like you mention.
So, I am fairly confident (but keeping my fingers crossed till I
test some more) that we should be okay with something like PDF995.

But, I will definitely try things out in detail before proceeding ...

Of course, if Adobe Elements were a LOT lower in price for multiple
copies, or the server version of Acrobat was not so crazily over-
priced for our simple needs (less than 50 employees total!), we
would not be looking at cheaper alternatives. Hint, hint! :)

Thanks for the input regardless! It is appreciated.

Z


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:09 AM
To: Ron Teplitz
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

Ron Teplitz wrote:
Every copy of Frame I've seen for a long time included Acrobat 
Distiller, going back to at least FM 6.0. Distiller does 
all of what 
many folks need in the way of PDF generation. What version 
of Frame do 
you have? Have you checked to see if your distribution 

included Distiller?

Cheers,
Ron
Oh, I should have been clearer. I definitely use Acrobat Pro 
7 for my PDF creation! With output from FrameMaker and all 
other programs too. :)


My questions related to the fact that we need to get PDF 
creation ability for *all* the employees in our company, and 
the price of Acrobat Pro (or Standard, too) would be very 
prohibitive. These folks mostly do not use FrameMaker ... 
most are simply using Word and Excel for their daily stuff.


Right now, I am leaning towards either Acrobat Elements or 
PDF995 as the preferred solution for this new policy ... 
those seem to have garnered the most votes too, but I do 
plan on quickly looking at some of the open-source freebie 
stuff as well.


What I have tried and did NOT like: PDF-Xchange. This came as 
a freebie demo with some app that I got, and it simply 
crashes too often on my system. Not good enough.


Another one that was still a tad bit too expensive (as an 
Enterprise total cost) was PDF Convertor 3 from Nuance. I 
liked it (I use my copy of the PDF to Word convertor on 
occasion), but the total cost is a bit high.


This is why PDF995 is leading the pack right now ...

Thanks!

Z

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RE: What do you use for PDF Generation?

2006-05-23 Thread Dov Isaacs
Hint, hint ... I am just a dumb engineer here at Adobe.
I don't set the prices or have any influence over those
issues.

By the way, when dealing with Wurd documents, even with
PDF, be very careful that the properties don't migrate
to the PDF file. When you use the PDFMaker facility of
Acrobat some of that information in the Wurd document
does make its way into the Description part of 
Document Properties  !

- Dov 

 -Original Message-
 From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:36 PM
 To: Dov Isaacs
 Cc: Ron Teplitz; Framers@frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?
 
 Hi, Dov.
 
 Dov Isaacs wrote:
  A word of advice. Before you go loading up on el'cheapo
  $9.95 PDF creation software, make sure that what it generates
  is really kosher. We quite often see problems when these
  PDF files escape the environment in which they were created
  and attempts are made to either combine them with other PDF
  files in Acrobat or to place them in FrameMaker, InDesign,
  or elsewhere. Problems often manifest themselves as funky font
  definitions with improper names and encodings that cause
  chaos when attempts are made to repurpose those PDF files.
  Just because those other employees are not publishing vast
  tomes doesn't mean that they should have shoddy tools.
 
 Good points, yes!
 
 We have some people who create print-quality documents for which
 we need to be sure that the PDF's are very high quality. For these
 folks, we have Acrobat Pro installed on their systems - the right
 way to go for sure!
 
 It is the rest of the folks, who send out docs and files outside
 our company for reading or review and other purposes, that we want
 to have in PDF format. The purpose is to avoid having original
 documents out there. The policy was created because we got burned
 by properties information in a Word doc recently - an older doc
 was used to create a new one and ... oops!
 
 None of the PDF's from these other employees is likely to be used
 in situations where they might cause problems like you mention.
 So, I am fairly confident (but keeping my fingers crossed till I
 test some more) that we should be okay with something like PDF995.
 
 But, I will definitely try things out in detail before proceeding ...
 
 Of course, if Adobe Elements were a LOT lower in price for multiple
 copies, or the server version of Acrobat was not so crazily over-
 priced for our simple needs (less than 50 employees total!), we
 would not be looking at cheaper alternatives. Hint, hint! :)
 
 Thanks for the input regardless! It is appreciated.
 
 Z
 
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Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

2006-05-23 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

Hi, Dov.

Dov Isaacs wrote:

Hint, hint ... I am just a dumb engineer here at Adobe.
I don't set the prices or have any influence over those
issues.


Oops, I was not aiming that at you per se! Sorry about that.


By the way, when dealing with Wurd documents, even with
PDF, be very careful that the properties don't migrate
to the PDF file. When you use the PDFMaker facility of
Acrobat some of that information in the Wurd document
does make its way into the Description part of 
Document Properties  !


Ouch. I did not know this happened. I will check my stuff
very carefully then and set it up properly. Is there a way
to disable this permanently, like a setting, in Acrobat so
that it does not occur as a matter of course?

Z


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From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:36 PM

To: Dov Isaacs
Cc: Ron Teplitz; Framers@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What do you use for PDF Generation?

Hi, Dov.

Dov Isaacs wrote:

A word of advice. Before you go loading up on el'cheapo
$9.95 PDF creation software, make sure that what it generates
is really kosher. We quite often see problems when these
PDF files escape the environment in which they were created
and attempts are made to either combine them with other PDF
files in Acrobat or to place them in FrameMaker, InDesign,
or elsewhere. Problems often manifest themselves as funky font
definitions with improper names and encodings that cause
chaos when attempts are made to repurpose those PDF files.
Just because those other employees are not publishing vast
tomes doesn't mean that they should have shoddy tools.

Good points, yes!

We have some people who create print-quality documents for which
we need to be sure that the PDF's are very high quality. For these
folks, we have Acrobat Pro installed on their systems - the right
way to go for sure!

It is the rest of the folks, who send out docs and files outside
our company for reading or review and other purposes, that we want
to have in PDF format. The purpose is to avoid having original
documents out there. The policy was created because we got burned
by properties information in a Word doc recently - an older doc
was used to create a new one and ... oops!

None of the PDF's from these other employees is likely to be used
in situations where they might cause problems like you mention.
So, I am fairly confident (but keeping my fingers crossed till I
test some more) that we should be okay with something like PDF995.

But, I will definitely try things out in detail before proceeding ...

Of course, if Adobe Elements were a LOT lower in price for multiple
copies, or the server version of Acrobat was not so crazily over-
priced for our simple needs (less than 50 employees total!), we
would not be looking at cheaper alternatives. Hint, hint! :)

Thanks for the input regardless! It is appreciated.

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RE: What do you use for PDF generation?

2006-05-22 Thread Beck, Charles
Hi Z,

You wrote: 

One other product I found while googling is www.pdf995.com! This has a
pretty outstanding price for the Enterprise license. Has anybody used
their stuff?

I have not used the enterprise version, but I used to use the regular
version of pdf995, and I loved it! It does a great job of producing
PDFs, and, as you say, the price is hard to beat. 

Chuck
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RE: What do you use for PDF generation?

2006-05-22 Thread Ridder, Fred
Setting up a watched folder on a network drive that can be 
accessed by more than one user is specifically prohibited
by the Acrobat EULA. It's not a matter of violating some 
copyright law, but it is certainly *not*permitted* under the
software license. Adobe does have licenses that permit this 
kind of operation, but those products cost thousands (rather 
than hundreds) of dollars.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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Hi,

Another possibility is to set up a network drive on a server that has
Distiller installed on it, and share the watched in-out folders. That
way,
many people can use one installation of Distiller. I guess it's possible
that
would violate some copyright law, so I'm only suggesting it based on
resolution of that issue. But I have seen it done, and it can work if
things
are kept in proportion. 

Bruce Kimball
www.zhando.com
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Re: What do you use for PDF generation?

2006-05-21 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

Hi, Bill.

Bill Swallow wrote:

If you have enough people who need to create PDFs by corporate
mandate, look into setting up Adove Acrobat Elements. It's a volume
license solution that starts at 100 seats. Your entire company could
be set up to use this.


Thanks! You are the second person to refer to this product. I will look
into it, particularly since a few of us use Acrobat Pro and the products
are probably pretty similar in many regards - makes support easier.

One other product I found while googling is www.pdf995.com! This has a
pretty outstanding price for the Enterprise license. Has anybody used
their stuff?

Z


On 5/21/06, Syed Zaeem Hosain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, all.

Pardon the slightly unrelated to FrameMaker questions, but I am figure
I am not too far off the mark here, since you all are likely to be very
familiar with similar polices to what I describe here.

We are standardizing on a new policy that documents/files sent outside
the company must be in PDF form only. No Word or Excel (typically) or
FrameMaker (of course! :) ) files. And, obviously, it does not include
text e-mail!

This means that we must install PDF creation software on all our user
computers ... including laptops and ones that may not be connected to the
Internet at all times.

Acrobat Professional is too expensive a solution for this, plus it is
overkill for most of our employees. We have some people who only create
documents and files in Word or Excel for example.

Hence, my questions:

1. What are you all using for PDF file creation?

2. Does it allow forms? I.e., for external folks to fill in fields and
send back the form!

3. What would you recommend we do, if you were setting up a similar
policy?

Thanks!

Z
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