Re: Strategy for reading list
Hi Gordon, Glad you found the list and found it so helpful. Hopefully you will find it as helpful as many of us on the list. :-) I have for several years kept all my FrameMaker related mail on my Gmail account, mostly with automatic labeling that Gmail provides. Including other mail it accounts to more than 10,000 mails and still using just over 10% of my mail quota, but in Gmail everything is threaded, inbox mail with sent mail, so it is my first spot to search for any help on FM matters. You can probably do something similar with other mail agents, but I have not come across anything better suited for the job than Gmail. Until you get a lot piled up in your kept mail, you can, of course just google your problems, which will very often lead you to the discussions on the list, and you can search the archives, (which took a bit longer when I tried the last time, which was several years ago). Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Iceland 2009/10/26 Gordon Maney gma...@mestek.com: I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using lists such as this. It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me. It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken. My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can best understand the flow of content and follow topics? Thank you, Gordon Maney ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bod...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Life is not only a game--it is also a dance on roses. --Fleksnes (Rolv Wesenlund) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Strategy for reading list
I agree with Jim. I set Thunderbird to sort the messages into threads. I watch threads that are interesting or relevant to my work, perhaps archive anything useful, and delete the rest. If you check the messages at least daily, it only takes a few minutes and you can keep on top of it. Cheers Dave Pinkham, Jim wrote, on 27/10/2009 10:36 a.m.: > Gordon, it's great that you've discovered the resource that is this > list. The folks around here tend to be both very skilled and very > helpful -- and you can't ask for much more than that. > > I suspect you'll find it impractical to try to read everything all of > the time. For me, the easiest thing is to use an e-mail reader that can > sort list topics by thread automatically -- Outlook or gmail, for > instance. I keep an eye on my unread mail folder from time to time > throughout the day. Within the Unread Mail folder, I keep the current > view arranged by conversation. On less hectic days, I'll skim more > expansively and likely read most of the messages. If the schedule is not > overly pinched or the question looming seems to be a quick-and-easy > answer, I'll see whether I might be able to pitch in with a response > that I hope will be helpful. When days are hectic, I'll skim the threads > from time to time. If something seems significantly interesting or > pertinent, I'll wade chronologically through the first few messages to > test whether it really is. On really crazy weeks, the list may be > largely ignored until a relatively calmer time returns. The busier I get > the more likely, too, that whole threads not directly relevant to my > work will get wiped out with one stroke of the delete key. > > HTH, > Jim > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Maney > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:43 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Strategy for reading list > > I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit > I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using > lists such as this. > > It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my > way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me. > It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read > absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken. > > My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can > best understand the flow of content and follow topics? > > Thank you, > Gordon Maney > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. > com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.reynolds%40tait.co.nz > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029 Senior Technical Author Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632 Tait Electronics Ltd Email: dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz PO Box 1645 Christchurch New Zealand === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. ===
Strategy for reading list
Hi Gordon, Glad you found the list and found it so helpful. Hopefully you will find it as helpful as many of us on the list. :-) I have for several years kept all my FrameMaker related mail on my Gmail account, mostly with automatic labeling that Gmail provides. Including other mail it accounts to more than 10,000 mails and still using just over 10% of my mail quota, but in Gmail everything is threaded, inbox mail with sent mail, so it is my first spot to search for any help on FM matters. You can probably do something similar with other mail agents, but I have not come across anything better suited for the job than Gmail. Until you get a lot piled up in your kept mail, you can, of course just google your problems, which will very often lead you to the discussions on the list, and you can search the archives, (which took a bit longer when I tried the last time, which was several years ago). Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Iceland 2009/10/26 Gordon Maney : > I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit > I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using > lists such as this. > > It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my > way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me. > It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read > absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken. > > My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can > best understand the flow of content and follow topics? > > Thank you, > Gordon Maney > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bodvar at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- "Life is not only a game--it is also a dance on roses." --Fleksnes (Rolv Wesenlund)
Strategy for reading list
I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using lists such as this. It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me. It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken. My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can best understand the flow of content and follow topics? Thank you, Gordon Maney ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Strategy for reading list
Gordon, it's great that you've discovered the resource that is this list. The folks around here tend to be both very skilled and very helpful -- and you can't ask for much more than that. I suspect you'll find it impractical to try to read everything all of the time. For me, the easiest thing is to use an e-mail reader that can sort list topics by thread automatically -- Outlook or gmail, for instance. I keep an eye on my unread mail folder from time to time throughout the day. Within the Unread Mail folder, I keep the current view arranged by conversation. On less hectic days, I'll skim more expansively and likely read most of the messages. If the schedule is not overly pinched or the question looming seems to be a quick-and-easy answer, I'll see whether I might be able to pitch in with a response that I hope will be helpful. When days are hectic, I'll skim the threads from time to time. If something seems significantly interesting or pertinent, I'll wade chronologically through the first few messages to test whether it really is. On really crazy weeks, the list may be largely ignored until a relatively calmer time returns. The busier I get the more likely, too, that whole threads not directly relevant to my work will get wiped out with one stroke of the delete key. HTH, Jim -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Maney Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:43 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Strategy for reading list I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using lists such as this. It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me. It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken. My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can best understand the flow of content and follow topics? Thank you, Gordon Maney ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Strategy for reading list
I agree with Jim. I set Thunderbird to sort the messages into threads. I watch threads that are interesting or relevant to my work, perhaps archive anything useful, and delete the rest. If you check the messages at least daily, it only takes a few minutes and you can keep on top of it. Cheers Dave Pinkham, Jim wrote, on 27/10/2009 10:36 a.m.: Gordon, it's great that you've discovered the resource that is this list. The folks around here tend to be both very skilled and very helpful -- and you can't ask for much more than that. I suspect you'll find it impractical to try to read everything all of the time. For me, the easiest thing is to use an e-mail reader that can sort list topics by thread automatically -- Outlook or gmail, for instance. I keep an eye on my unread mail folder from time to time throughout the day. Within the Unread Mail folder, I keep the current view arranged by conversation. On less hectic days, I'll skim more expansively and likely read most of the messages. If the schedule is not overly pinched or the question looming seems to be a quick-and-easy answer, I'll see whether I might be able to pitch in with a response that I hope will be helpful. When days are hectic, I'll skim the threads from time to time. If something seems significantly interesting or pertinent, I'll wade chronologically through the first few messages to test whether it really is. On really crazy weeks, the list may be largely ignored until a relatively calmer time returns. The busier I get the more likely, too, that whole threads not directly relevant to my work will get wiped out with one stroke of the delete key. HTH, Jim -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Maney Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:43 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Strategy for reading list I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using lists such as this. It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me. It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken. My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can best understand the flow of content and follow topics? Thank you, Gordon Maney ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dave.reyno...@tait.co.nz. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.reynolds%40tait.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029 Senior Technical Author Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632 Tait Electronics Ltd Email: dave.reyno...@tait.co.nz PO Box 1645 Christchurch New Zealand === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. === ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Strategy for reading list
Hi, Gordon: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Pinkham, Jim jim.pink...@voith.com wrote: Gordon, it's great that you've discovered the resource that is this list. The folks around here tend to be both very skilled and very helpful -- and you can't ask for much more than that. [snipped] -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Maney Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:43 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Strategy for reading list I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using lists such as this. It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me. It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken. My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can best understand the flow of content and follow topics? [snipped] In addition to Jim's suggestions, you may find it useful to search Google with terms that you're interested in knowing more about, and including FrameMaker in the search terms. Google finds much of this list's archived conversations, as well as information from other forums and sources. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Strategy for reading list
Gordon Maney wrote: It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me. It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken. If you want to follow particular threads, you can either use an e-mail client that sorts messages into threads, or you can read the archives at http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/ and choose the Thread link for the current month. Myself, I just use the delete key liberally in my e-mail client to zap any messages I know won't help or interest me, or that I can't be of any help on. (Structure or DITA for example -- no clue, so Zap!) best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your words. -- Elbert Hubbard (1856-1915) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Strategy for reading list
Peter Gold wrote: In addition to Jim's suggestions, you may find it useful to search Google with terms that you're interested in knowing more about, and including FrameMaker in the search terms. Google finds much of this list's archived conversations, as well as information from other forums and sources. A slight refinement of that suggestion works even better: Instead of including FrameMaker in the search terms, specify lists.frameusers.com as the site to search. For instance, to find posts about conditional text, enter the following in a Google search box: conditional text site:lists.frameusers.com To search both the list archive and the FrameUsers website, make it: conditional text site:frameusers.com HTH! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Strategy for reading list
I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using lists such as this. It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me. It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken. My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can best understand the flow of content and follow topics? Thank you, Gordon Maney
Strategy for reading list
Gordon, it's great that you've discovered the resource that is this list. The folks around here tend to be both very skilled and very helpful -- and you can't ask for much more than that. I suspect you'll find it impractical to try to read everything all of the time. For me, the easiest thing is to use an e-mail reader that can sort list topics by thread automatically -- Outlook or gmail, for instance. I keep an eye on my unread mail folder from time to time throughout the day. Within the Unread Mail folder, I keep the current view arranged by conversation. On less hectic days, I'll skim more expansively and likely read most of the messages. If the schedule is not overly pinched or the question looming seems to be a quick-and-easy answer, I'll see whether I might be able to pitch in with a response that I hope will be helpful. When days are hectic, I'll skim the threads from time to time. If something seems significantly interesting or pertinent, I'll wade chronologically through the first few messages to test whether it really is. On really crazy weeks, the list may be largely ignored until a relatively calmer time returns. The busier I get the more likely, too, that whole threads not directly relevant to my work will get wiped out with one stroke of the delete key. HTH, Jim -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Maney Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:43 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Strategy for reading list I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using lists such as this. It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me. It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken. My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can best understand the flow of content and follow topics? Thank you, Gordon Maney ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Strategy for reading list
Hi, Gordon: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: > Gordon, it's great that you've discovered the resource that is this > list. The folks around here tend to be both very skilled and very > helpful -- and you can't ask for much more than that. [snipped] > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Maney > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:43 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Strategy for reading list > > I greatly appreciate the value to be found in this mailing list. I admit > I am really accustomed to using web forums, and have no experience using > lists such as this. > > It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my > way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me. > It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read > absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken. > > My question is this: How do you engage with this mechanism so you can > best understand the flow of content and follow topics? [snipped] In addition to Jim's suggestions, you may find it useful to search Google with terms that you're interested in knowing more about, and including FrameMaker in the search terms. Google finds much of this list's archived conversations, as well as information from other forums and sources. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
Strategy for reading list
Gordon Maney wrote:
>
> It has been hard for me to engage with the emails and be able to pick my
> way meaningfully through the information. It is often confusing to me.
> It seems that to stay connected with the process you would have to read
> absolutely everything, all the time, otherwise the chain is broken.
>
If you want to follow particular threads, you can either use an e-mail
client that sorts messages into threads, or you can read the archives at
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/ and choose the Thread
link for the current month.
Myself, I just use the delete key liberally in my e-mail client to zap
any messages I know won't help or interest me, or that I can't be of any
help on. ("Structure" or "DITA" for example -- no clue, so Zap!)
best,
--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
"He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand
your words."
-- Elbert Hubbard (1856-1915)
Strategy for reading list
Peter Gold wrote: > In addition to Jim's suggestions, you may find it useful to search > Google with terms that you're interested in knowing more about, and > including FrameMaker in the search terms. Google finds much of this > list's archived conversations, as well as information from other > forums and sources. A slight refinement of that suggestion works even better: Instead of including FrameMaker in the search terms, specify lists.frameusers.com as the site to search. For instance, to find posts about conditional text, enter the following in a Google search box: "conditional text" site:lists.frameusers.com To search both the list archive and the FrameUsers website, make it: "conditional text" site:frameusers.com HTH! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
