Calling Klaus Daube... :)
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From: Harding, Dan
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer
gefingerpoken und mittengrabben
I recommend User Manual.
Technical Writers should not ever use possessives. They are also forbidden for
translation.
Tom
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We avoid this issue by naming books after their functional scope:
'Widget' Installation
'Widget' Operation
'Widget' Administration
(etc)
The thinking being (a) we avoid this whole thread, (b) we don't have to superfluous terms like "manual" or "guide" that state the obvious,and (c) end users
to Know about Widgets, but Your Mother Wouldn’t
Tell You
-Dan
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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 5:11 PM
To: Framers
Subject: User's manual vs. User manual
Any thoughts on which
9:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken
und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und
poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei
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Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
David Davis said:
In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns, so
you'd have the equivalent of Usermanual (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but
English prefers to leave a space.
Indeed! :)
Reminds me of the time I
...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan
Sent: March 16, 2015 9:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken
und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen
, 2015 11:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
That's some of the most impressive pseudogerman I've ever seen. Kudos! :D
Lea Rush
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-Original
That's some of the most impressive pseudogerman I've ever seen. Kudos! :D
We are getting truly off topic, but my favorite German compound is
'Gemeinschaftsgefül' (if I have spelled it correctly). It's a real word, taken
from Adlerian psychology, and is rather lovely. It means, as best I know,
Thanks for your quick, and often humorous responses. (It's Monday and
laughter-inducing answers are always welcomed!) We are going to go with User
Manual for brevity and translation considerations. This group rocks!
On Monday, March 16, 2015 4:51 AM, Davis, David
David Davis said:
In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns, so
you'd have the equivalent of Usermanual (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but
English prefers to leave a space.
Indeed! :)
Reminds me of the time I was helping a fraternity brother (fluent German
speaker)
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Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 7:19 AM
To: Craig, Alison; hessiansx4; Framers
Subject: Re: User's manual vs. User manual
We use User's Manual. User's Manual is the manual for the User. How do explain
the name User Manual? If it means the same thing, isn't it missing
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Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
That's some of the most impressive pseudogerman I've ever seen. Kudos! :D
We are getting truly off topic, but my favorite German compound is
'Gemeinschaftsgefül' (if I have spelled it correctly). It's a real word, taken
from
Well what if you have more than one user? Then it would have to be Users'
Manual :)
It's easier to avoid that fuss and just called it User Manual.
In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns, so you'd
have the equivalent of Usermanual (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but
day, March 13, 2015 3:11 PM
To: Framers
Subject: User's manual vs. User manual
Any thoughts on which is
preferable for hardwar
day, March 13, 2015 3:11 PM
To: Framers
Subject: User's manual vs. User manual
Any thoughts on which is
preferable for hardwar
Applying the Google Popularity Test (yeah, I know) gives:
User Manual: 223 million hits
User's Manual: 19.7 million hits
It would seem therefore that the former is 11.3197 times more usual ;-)
--
Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet: PLEASE!]
User, in this case, is a limiting adjective, like butterfly in butterfly
migration.
I prefer that to the possessive adjective User's.
In my mind, one is limiting the scope of the manual not identifying its
possessor.
Craig
Without getting into a grammar argument best left to a staff meeting where
everyone has had too much coffee, I would agree with Andrew on the Best
Practice way to name manuals/books -- that's my preference too.
But disagree with him on the nouns -- I think all those he listed are or
could
three cents worth, what with inflation and all … :)
Best regards,
Elchanan
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Any
VLM Tech Subs [techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] wrote:
“User” is a noun. Nouns do not modify nouns
Dish soap, car wash, road work, bicycle chain, buggy whip, winter coat, tree
branch, dog collar, reference manual
My own preference is to name the thing for WHAT it is rather than FOR
Same here!
Z
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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:44 PM
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Personally, I’ve always preferred User Manual.
I find
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