MS Re: "Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?

[Wei JIANG [PT-CN]]

The attached Word 2003 document lists all the strings - 107 of them - 
that contain "click and drag", from all MS products published by June 4, 
2012. Enjoy!

Wei Jiang
English<>Chinese Translator and Multilingual DTPer based in Beijing, China


All those On 10/26/2012 4:21 AM, Bill Swallow wrote:
> Ah, but what's the publish date? It'd be interesting to see if they
> ignore their own style guidelines or if these examples predate their
> v.4 MoS.
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Wei JIANG [PT-CN]
>  wrote:
>> Out of the multilingual Microsoft corpus which covers all their major
>> products, I do see quite a few instances of "click and drag". They are:
>>
>> Click to select a row, or click and drag to select multiple rows. Drag
>> selected row(s) to move them to desired tab order.
>> To CREATE a break line, click at the desired postion.\nTo DELETE a break
>> line, double click on the line.\nTo MOVE a break line, click and drag it
>> To MOVE a break line, click and drag it.
>> To move a column break, click and drag the line
>> Click and drag to remove cell partitions.
>> Click and drag to insert |.
>> Click and drag to create a table and to draw rows, columns and borders.
>> Click and drag to select several objects.
>> Click and drag to insert a control.
>> Click and drag to draw a motion path
>> :-)
>>
>> Wei

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Re: Click-and-drag or just drag -- ?

[De Rosier, Edward]

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 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:28:47 -0700
 From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
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 Subject: Re: Click-and-drag or just drag -- ?

 Microsoft Manual of Style says drag.

IMHO, style manuals are important and valuable, but technical writers must be 
able to choose to use words and syntax that may violate certain rules in 
order to be clear and concise, as judged by the writer when considering the 
audience.

If Click and Drag will result in less questioning by the reading audience, 
then that is the better choice.

If management refuses to allow such variations, then the job is probably not 
paying well enough for the writer's professional judgment.

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Anritsu Company, Microwave Measurement Division
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Re: Click-and-drag or just drag -- ?

[Wei JIANG [PT-CN]]

Out of the multilingual Microsoft corpus which covers all their major 
products, I do see quite a few instances of click and drag. They are:


Click to select a row, or click and drag to select multiple rows. Drag 
selected row(s) to move them to desired tab order.
To CREATE a break line, click at the desired postion.\nTo DELETE a break 
line, double click on the line.\nTo MOVE a break line, click and drag it

To MOVE a break line, click and drag it.
To move a column break, click and drag the line
Click and drag to remove cell partitions.
Click and drag to insert |.
Click and drag to create a table and to draw rows, columns and borders.
Click and drag to select several objects.
Click and drag to insert a control.
Click and drag to draw a motion path
:-)

Wei

On 10/24/2012 2:28 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

Microsoft Manual of Style says drag.
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Re: Click-and-drag or just drag -- ?

[Robert Lauriston]

The benefit of a style guide is that you don't waste time pondering
arbitrary usage choices.

If you know a phrase will confuse your audience, you override the
style guide, or (if you're required to follow it) propose an
exception.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 5:12 PM, De Rosier, Edward
edward.deros...@anritsu.com wrote:
 IMHO, style manuals are important and valuable, but technical writers must be 
 able to choose to use words and syntax that may violate certain rules in 
 order to be clear and concise, as judged by the writer when considering the 
 audience.

 If Click and Drag will result in less questioning by the reading audience, 
 then that is the better choice.

 If management refuses to allow such variations, then the job is probably 
 not paying well enough for the writer's professional judgment.
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Re: Click-and-drag or just drag -- ?

[Bill Swallow]

 If Click and Drag will result in less questioning by the reading audience, 
 then that is the better choice.

Audience indeed comes first, but do also consider intent. Is it your
company's intent to teach computing 101?

 If management refuses to allow such variations, then the job is probably 
 not paying well enough for the writer's professional judgment.

Or there's a corporate style to follow for consistency, brand
adherence, and ease of translation. A writer's professional judgement
should weigh all those before entertaining variations.

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Re: Click-and-drag or just drag -- ?

[Bill Swallow]

Ah, but what's the publish date? It'd be interesting to see if they
ignore their own style guidelines or if these examples predate their
v.4 MoS.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Wei JIANG [PT-CN]
jia...@polytrans.com.cn wrote:
 Out of the multilingual Microsoft corpus which covers all their major
 products, I do see quite a few instances of click and drag. They are:

 Click to select a row, or click and drag to select multiple rows. Drag
 selected row(s) to move them to desired tab order.
 To CREATE a break line, click at the desired postion.\nTo DELETE a break
 line, double click on the line.\nTo MOVE a break line, click and drag it
 To MOVE a break line, click and drag it.
 To move a column break, click and drag the line
 Click and drag to remove cell partitions.
 Click and drag to insert |.
 Click and drag to create a table and to draw rows, columns and borders.
 Click and drag to select several objects.
 Click and drag to insert a control.
 Click and drag to draw a motion path
 :-)

 Wei

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RE: Click-and-drag or just drag -- ?

[Alison Craig]

 Is it your company's intent to teach computing 101?



In my case, the answer to this is YES.



I have to write to the lowest common denominator - meaning that within the 
medical device community there are people who are barely computer literate, all 
the way up to those who know way more than I do. I can never assume and 
therefore would have to go with click and drag (although for me, it's tap 
and drag as we have touch screens).



 and ease of translation



At the same time, as we translate into more than 6 other languages, I always 
have to keep consistency in mind. Both for clarity and for cost.




Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Lead

604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.comhttp://www.ultrasonix.com/

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 If Click and Drag will result in less questioning by the reading audience, 
 then that is the better choice.



Audience indeed comes first, but do also consider intent. Is it your company's 
intent to teach computing 101?



 If management refuses to allow such variations, then the job is probably 
 not paying well enough for the writer's professional judgment.



Or there's a corporate style to follow for consistency, brand adherence, and 
ease of translation. A writer's professional judgement should weigh all those 
before entertaining variations.



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Content Solutions Manager

GlobalScript, a division of LinguaLinx

http://globalscript.com

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RE: Click-and-drag or just drag -- ?

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Alison Craig wrote:
 


I have to write to the lowest common denominator - meaning that within the 
medical device community there are people who are barely computer literate, 
all the way up to those who know way more than I do. I can never assume 
and therefore would have to go with click and drag (although for me, it's 
tap and drag as we have touch screens).
 
Umm, wouldn't that be touch and drag rather than tap and drag? Isn't tapping
a momentary touch, which won't work if you're trying to drag? Or do you really 
have to tap first, then touch and drag? Unless there is a separate tap required
to indicate that you want to do something with *that* object, I personally never
think of dragging somethign on a touch screen as being a two-part motion. I just
drag something with my fingertip or stylus.
 
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"Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?

[De Rosier, Edward]

from framers Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23

... was  message: 4
> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:28:47 -0700
> From: Robert Lauriston 
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: "Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?

> Microsoft Manual of Style says drag.

IMHO, style manuals are important and valuable, but technical writers must be 
able to "choose" to use words and syntax that may violate certain rules in 
order to be clear and concise, as judged by the writer when considering the 
audience.

If "Click and Drag" will result in less questioning by the reading audience, 
then that is the better choice.

If "management" refuses to allow such variations, then the job is probably not 
paying well enough for the writer's professional judgment.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company, Microwave Measurement Division

"Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?

[Wei JIANG [PT-CN]]

Out of the multilingual Microsoft corpus which covers all their major 
products, I do see quite a few instances of "click and drag". They are:

Click to select a row, or click and drag to select multiple rows. Drag 
selected row(s) to move them to desired tab order.
To CREATE a break line, click at the desired postion.\nTo DELETE a break 
line, double click on the line.\nTo MOVE a break line, click and drag it
To MOVE a break line, click and drag it.
To move a column break, click and drag the line
Click and drag to remove cell partitions.
Click and drag to insert |.
Click and drag to create a table and to draw rows, columns and borders.
Click and drag to select several objects.
Click and drag to insert a control.
Click and drag to draw a motion path
:-)

Wei

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"Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?

[Robert Lauriston]

The benefit of a style guide is that you don't waste time pondering
arbitrary usage choices.

If you know a phrase will confuse your audience, you override the
style guide, or (if you're required to follow it) propose an
exception.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 5:12 PM, De Rosier, Edward
 wrote:
> IMHO, style manuals are important and valuable, but technical writers must be 
> able to "choose" to use words and syntax that may violate certain rules in 
> order to be clear and concise, as judged by the writer when considering the 
> audience.
>
> If "Click and Drag" will result in less questioning by the reading audience, 
> then that is the better choice.
>
> If "management" refuses to allow such variations, then the job is probably 
> not paying well enough for the writer's professional judgment.

"Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?

[Bill Swallow]

> If "Click and Drag" will result in less questioning by the reading audience, 
> then that is the better choice.

Audience indeed comes first, but do also consider intent. Is it your
company's intent to teach computing 101?

> If "management" refuses to allow such variations, then the job is probably 
> not paying well enough for the writer's professional judgment.

Or there's a corporate style to follow for consistency, brand
adherence, and ease of translation. A writer's professional judgement
should weigh all those before entertaining variations.

-- 
Bill Swallow
Content Solutions Manager
GlobalScript, a division of LinguaLinx
http://globalscript.com
http://lingualinx.com

"Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?

[Bill Swallow]

Ah, but what's the publish date? It'd be interesting to see if they
ignore their own style guidelines or if these examples predate their
v.4 MoS.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Wei JIANG [PT-CN]
 wrote:
> Out of the multilingual Microsoft corpus which covers all their major
> products, I do see quite a few instances of "click and drag". They are:
>
> Click to select a row, or click and drag to select multiple rows. Drag
> selected row(s) to move them to desired tab order.
> To CREATE a break line, click at the desired postion.\nTo DELETE a break
> line, double click on the line.\nTo MOVE a break line, click and drag it
> To MOVE a break line, click and drag it.
> To move a column break, click and drag the line
> Click and drag to remove cell partitions.
> Click and drag to insert |.
> Click and drag to create a table and to draw rows, columns and borders.
> Click and drag to select several objects.
> Click and drag to insert a control.
> Click and drag to draw a motion path
> :-)
>
> Wei

-- 
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Content Solutions Manager
GlobalScript, a division of LinguaLinx
http://globalscript.com
http://lingualinx.com

"Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?

[Alison Craig]

> Is it your company's intent to teach computing 101?



In my case, the answer to this is YES.



I have to write to the lowest common denominator - meaning that within the 
medical device community there are people who are barely computer literate, all 
the way up to those who know way more than I do. I can never assume and 
therefore would have to go with "click and drag" (although for me, it's "tap 
and drag" as we have touch screens).



> and ease of translation



At the same time, as we translate into more than 6 other languages, I always 
have to keep consistency in mind. Both for clarity and for cost.




Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Lead

604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com/>

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Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: "Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?



> If "Click and Drag" will result in less questioning by the reading audience, 
> then that is the better choice.



Audience indeed comes first, but do also consider intent. Is it your company's 
intent to teach computing 101?



> If "management" refuses to allow such variations, then the job is probably 
> not paying well enough for the writer's professional judgment.



Or there's a corporate style to follow for consistency, brand adherence, and 
ease of translation. A writer's professional judgement should weigh all those 
before entertaining variations.



--

Bill Swallow

Content Solutions Manager

GlobalScript, a division of LinguaLinx

http://globalscript.com

http://lingualinx.com

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"Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?

[Fred Ridder]

Alison Craig wrote:



>I have to write to the lowest common denominator - meaning that within the 
>medical device community there are people who are barely computer literate, 
>all the way up to those who know way more than I do. I can never assume 
>and therefore would have to go with "click and drag" (although for me, it's 
>"tap and drag" as we have touch screens).

Umm, wouldn't that be "touch and drag" rather than "tap and drag"? Isn't tapping
a momentary touch, which won't work if you're trying to drag? Or do you really 
have to tap first, then touch and drag? Unless there is a separate tap required
to indicate that you want to do something with *that* object, I personally never
think of dragging somethign on a touch screen as being a two-part motion. I just
drag something with my fingertip or stylus.

Just my $.02...

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Re: Click-and-drag or just drag -- ?

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"Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?

[Robert Lauriston]

Microsoft Manual of Style says drag.