[Framers] CMS Advice

[Ben Anderson]

Hello All!

My company is beginning to look at various Content Management Systems.  Can 
anyone give me some info regarding Adobe's Experience Manager?

Thanks!

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[Framers] Is anyone using Documentum (or any other CMS) to share content between FM and Word?

[Art Campbell]

Content would, ideally, be unformatted so local formatting could be applied.

If so, any thoughts, tips, tricks, traps?

TIA,
Art

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Re: [Framers] OT: CMS Scope

[Peter Gold]

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp  wrote:

> Hi, you didn’t mention your name,
>
> what you describe is very organization centric. Try to look at it form a
> client perspective, from the users point of view.
> What do your users need? What do your clients need, both new and existing
> ones? That should be the staring point and, if you do that right, it will
> give enough ROI arguments to defend the idea of a unified content strategy.
> And think about content services.
>
> And, by the way, there’s no such thing as an Enterprise CMS that will
> cover all. Let everyone use their own systems but  govern it centrally.


​In other words - or images - if you imagine the enterprise being as simple
as an elephant, a single unified system that makes all its detail
accessible to anyone who needs to use it is a lot like this:

Six Blind Men - YouTube
<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&ved=0ahUKEwiQhZXev-XTAhWn24MKHVaFASUQtwIIaTAN&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiBqgr5xZLz0&usg=AFQjCNHEwP0q9WmJnJze9FDkaqqYdSJHcQ&sig2=cFVu4DRZ-X_m9emt4n5EnQ&cad=rjt>

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Re: [Framers] OT: CMS Scope

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi, you didn’t mention your name,

what you describe is very organization centric. Try to look at it form a client 
perspective, from the users point of view.
What do your users need? What do your clients need, both new and existing ones? 
That should be the staring point and, if you do that right, it will give enough 
ROI arguments to defend the idea of a unified content strategy. And think about 
content services.

And, by the way, there’s no such thing as an Enterprise CMS that will cover 
all. Let everyone use their own systems but  govern it centrally.




Kind regards,
 
Wim Hooghwinkel

Information Energy, <http://www.informationenergy.org/program/> 17-18 mei 2017 
in Utrecht!

FontoXML <http://www.fontoxml.com/> | DITAToo <http://www.ditatoo.com/> | 
FrameMaker <http://framemakerspecialist.nl/>

> 
> Hi All,
> 
> What is the typical scope of coverage for an enterprise CMS? I'm trying to 
> establish ROI and just cannot see it for me as a tech writer in the 
> environment I'm in. Should a CMS only attempt to cover tech pubs? I admit 
> that I cannot see how it is possible to bring in all of the content sources 
> from all of the completely disconnected groups into one system and have that 
> facilitate any level of productivity. I do not see any possible return unless 
> all of the content sources feed the same system and support all of the 
> mechanisms (metadata, etc.) that would be required.
> 
> We have several CMS and approaches to managing our IP, and you will easily 
> see that when something like a small accessory piece is discontinued or 
> changes, it is a monumental effort just to identify where that topic may be 
> discussed. The rest of this just illustrates the environment and sources of 
> content.
> 
> SharePoint for the Intranet. IT bought the license, only certain modules, and 
> turned it loose to each department head to manage their own Intranet space. 
> It is an ad-hoc nightmare, not to mention that only about half the 
> departments moved their content into SharePoint so there is a mix.
> 
> TeamSite to SiteCore for the website. This provides a form interface for the 
> person that enters page content and downloadable content. They are fed 
> information off-the-cuff by product marketing managers. There is no mechanism 
> for content reuse at all. It is an equal nightmare.
> 
> The mechanical group has a "vault" that requires SolidWorks to access. There 
> is no file-level access that I can see. There is something similar for the 
> electronic design group. The programmers use a GIT repository. All of the 
> designs (PDF files) and software deliverables (executable/installation code) 
> ultimately gets manually copied to an accessible network folder under and 
> managed by corporate engineering services (CES).
> 
> The production lines and our customer service group use whatever they want, 
> depending on the person, to develop mfg/assembly/test procedures, training 
> programs, etc.  These are archived in department folders and managed by those 
> individual teams and may include videos, podcasts, webinars, PowerPoint, 
> Word, PDF, etc...
> 
> The design engineers write design concepts such as theory of operation, 
> presentations, white papers, and other deeply technical stuff, using whatever 
> they want and keeping wherever (local HDD, random network). The product 
> marketing engineers/product managers write sales guides and application 
> notes, and support all user/marketing content. These teams pass their 
> deliverables directly to the Marketing/Web teams. The project managers are 
> using OneNote to collect project activities and all related documents that 
> may include Excel, Word, PPT, etc. files, or links to network folders and 
> other Intranet locations.
> 
> Marcom uses Adobe creative suite, mostly InDesign and primarily contract the 
> work out. There is also all of the typical marketing stuff like banners, 
> magazine articles, video, webinars, etc...
> The Pubs group uses unstructured FrameMaker and an old-fashioned book 
> paradigm to create user manuals, and they are directly under Marcom. There 
> are only a couple writers and each has their own product lines. Content 
> re-use mostly comes in the form of a document that covers a particular topic 
> or technology. For example, all of the boiler plate type stuff is in a 
> separate guide that is associate with a number of like products.
> 
> Anything requiring revision control is managed in a Unix based ERP system 
> that also manages inventory, BOM structures, order entry, etc. There is a 
> "corporate" element of content as well.
> 
> 

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[Framers] OT: CMS Scope

[cuc tu]

Hi All,

What is the typical scope of coverage for an enterprise CMS? I'm trying to 
establish ROI and just cannot see it for me as a tech writer in the environment 
I'm in. Should a CMS only attempt to cover tech pubs? I admit that I cannot see 
how it is possible to bring in all of the content sources from all of the 
completely disconnected groups into one system and have that facilitate any 
level of productivity. I do not see any possible return unless all of the 
content sources feed the same system and support all of the mechanisms 
(metadata, etc.) that would be required.

We have several CMS and approaches to managing our IP, and you will easily see 
that when something like a small accessory piece is discontinued or changes, it 
is a monumental effort just to identify where that topic may be discussed. The 
rest of this just illustrates the environment and sources of content.

SharePoint for the Intranet. IT bought the license, only certain modules, and 
turned it loose to each department head to manage their own Intranet space. It 
is an ad-hoc nightmare, not to mention that only about half the departments 
moved their content into SharePoint so there is a mix.

TeamSite to SiteCore for the website. This provides a form interface for the 
person that enters page content and downloadable content. They are fed 
information off-the-cuff by product marketing managers. There is no mechanism 
for content reuse at all. It is an equal nightmare.

The mechanical group has a "vault" that requires SolidWorks to access. There is 
no file-level access that I can see. There is something similar for the 
electronic design group. The programmers use a GIT repository. All of the 
designs (PDF files) and software deliverables (executable/installation code) 
ultimately gets manually copied to an accessible network folder under and 
managed by corporate engineering services (CES).

The production lines and our customer service group use whatever they want, 
depending on the person, to develop mfg/assembly/test procedures, training 
programs, etc.  These are archived in department folders and managed by those 
individual teams and may include videos, podcasts, webinars, PowerPoint, Word, 
PDF, etc...

The design engineers write design concepts such as theory of operation, 
presentations, white papers, and other deeply technical stuff, using whatever 
they want and keeping wherever (local HDD, random network). The product 
marketing engineers/product managers write sales guides and application notes, 
and support all user/marketing content. These teams pass their deliverables 
directly to the Marketing/Web teams. The project managers are using OneNote to 
collect project activities and all related documents that may include Excel, 
Word, PPT, etc. files, or links to network folders and other Intranet locations.

Marcom uses Adobe creative suite, mostly InDesign and primarily contract the 
work out. There is also all of the typical marketing stuff like banners, 
magazine articles, video, webinars, etc...
The Pubs group uses unstructured FrameMaker and an old-fashioned book paradigm 
to create user manuals, and they are directly under Marcom. There are only a 
couple writers and each has their own product lines. Content re-use mostly 
comes in the form of a document that covers a particular topic or technology. 
For example, all of the boiler plate type stuff is in a separate guide that is 
associate with a number of like products.

Anything requiring revision control is managed in a Unix based ERP system that 
also manages inventory, BOM structures, order entry, etc. There is a 
"corporate" element of content as well.




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[Framers] OT: XML, Oxygen, CMS, etc.

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

I have a client moving away from Structured FrameMaker to another XML-based
workflow. I don't have all of the details, but if you are interested in
helping them as a consultant, please contact me offlist and I will forward
your information to them. Thank you very much.

Rick

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Re: [Framers] OTS DITA and CMS

[Robert Lauriston]

Flare would make it a lot easier to manage those projects. Its
FrameMaker import is quite good. Docs are defined by graphical TOC
trees of topic file icons. You can swap topics in or out quickly and
easily to match whatever actually ships.

What revision control system are the developers using? You could put
the docs in the codeline along with the features and generate the docs
as part of the build, automatically ensuring that the docs match the
release. I think that accounts for the popularity of Markdown /
AsciiDoc / reStructuredText plus Jekyll / Hugo / whatever despite
their relative crudeness compared with popular authoring toolchains.

Personally I would argue for more sophisticated release management
instead. "Oh, we shipped? Everybody scramble!" is a pretty good sign
you're not following best practices.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:17 PM, cuc tu  wrote:
> Hello All,
>
>
> I'm looking for a quick and easy transition to a more modern workflow to help 
> keep up with
>
> software development. I've currently only authored in unstructured Frame 
> under a book
>
> paradigm, and am finding it impossible to track development. Basically, we 
> have two writers
>
> to support ~30 developers. The SW group has moved to an agile scrum process 
> and create
>
> software features in modular form. Then they are checked into the SW pool and 
> tested by
>
> another team who then publishes the FW releases to the Web team. The testing 
> takes about 1
>
> to 2 weeks and some features may not get released. Also, we do not really 
> know when the SW
>
> is released until it goes live (much of the process is automated and 
> decisions happen
>
> overnight). Dev cycles are three weeks and the software is usually not 
> available until it
>
> is checked in for testing since there are many dependencies.
>
>
> I'd like to find a way to have content more modular and easy to snap-in/out 
> like the
>
> software folks can switch on/off software features. I've thought of trying 
> this with
>
> conditional text, but I think the complexity and granularity of what needs to 
> be controlled
>
> is too high. I'd also like for the writing resources to be more agile so they 
> can work on
>
> any document piece as needed. Right now, we move around and track "book" 
> packages and
>
> publish PDF books with incrementing revisions.
>
>
> Any suggestions on how to proceed or where to look for some ideas?
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Re: [Framers] OTS DITA and CMS

[john . x . posada]

Have you tried Book Include/Exclude?

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From:   cuc tu 
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Date:   07/26/2016 03:18 PM
Subject:[Framers] OTS DITA and CMS
Sent by:"Framers"   



Hello All,


I'm looking for a quick and easy transition to a more modern workflow to
help keep up with

software development. I've currently only authored in unstructured Frame
under a book

paradigm, and am finding it impossible to track development. Basically, we
have two writers

to support ~30 developers. The SW group has moved to an agile scrum process
and create

software features in modular form. Then they are checked into the SW pool
and tested by

another team who then publishes the FW releases to the Web team. The
testing takes about 1

to 2 weeks and some features may not get released. Also, we do not really
know when the SW

is released until it goes live (much of the process is automated and
decisions happen

overnight). Dev cycles are three weeks and the software is usually not
available until it

is checked in for testing since there are many dependencies.


I'd like to find a way to have content more modular and easy to snap-in/out
like the

software folks can switch on/off software features. I've thought of trying
this with

conditional text, but I think the complexity and granularity of what needs
to be controlled

is too high. I'd also like for the writing resources to be more agile so
they can work on

any document piece as needed. Right now, we move around and track "book"
packages and

publish PDF books with incrementing revisions.


Any suggestions on how to proceed or where to look for some ideas?


Thanks,

C

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[Framers] OTS DITA and CMS

[cuc tu]

Hello All,


I'm looking for a quick and easy transition to a more modern workflow to help 
keep up with

software development. I've currently only authored in unstructured Frame under 
a book

paradigm, and am finding it impossible to track development. Basically, we have 
two writers

to support ~30 developers. The SW group has moved to an agile scrum process and 
create

software features in modular form. Then they are checked into the SW pool and 
tested by

another team who then publishes the FW releases to the Web team. The testing 
takes about 1

to 2 weeks and some features may not get released. Also, we do not really know 
when the SW

is released until it goes live (much of the process is automated and decisions 
happen

overnight). Dev cycles are three weeks and the software is usually not 
available until it

is checked in for testing since there are many dependencies.


I'd like to find a way to have content more modular and easy to snap-in/out 
like the

software folks can switch on/off software features. I've thought of trying this 
with

conditional text, but I think the complexity and granularity of what needs to 
be controlled

is too high. I'd also like for the writing resources to be more agile so they 
can work on

any document piece as needed. Right now, we move around and track "book" 
packages and

publish PDF books with incrementing revisions.


Any suggestions on how to proceed or where to look for some ideas?


Thanks,

C

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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Art Campbell]

​Do you have a URL for these? Nothing's googling up under either ​"Jang's
F.M. Circus" or Plug-in Hybrid Documents"

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 3:22 PM,  wrote:

> Plug-in Hybrid Documents





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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[jang]

Restricting cross-references from pointing to materials that are not inside 
text insets takes most of the usefulness of text insets out of the equation.
The issue with cross-references and text insets is that the FM cross-references 
contain a unique identifier as well as the file name of the referenced file. 
This is the source file of the text inset, which does not resolve to the file 
into which the text inset is inserted. Such issues can be resolved by 
scripting, which traverses all the files in a book searching for 
cross-reference targets. In the second pass, the script tries to resolve the 
targets for each cross-referece from the list of identifiers while disregarding 
the file names. When a match is found, the new file name replaces the one that 
was in the original reference. This is also what the XRef Wizard does for 
structured FM files.

FYI, I am delivering a series of 7 webinars hosted by Adobe, under the umbrella 
title of "Jang's F.M. Circus". The session on June 2nd revolves around creating 
unbreakable links. That builds on the previous session, on "Plug-in Hybrid 
Documents", where I show how FM can be connected to a MySQL database.

If companies need custom solutions, they can always approach me off-list. I am 
certain I can always find a solution for FM-related problems, whether they are 
in structured or unstructured documents, or a mix of these.

Jang F.M. Graat

The Frame Tamer

> West Street Consulting's XRef Wizard takes care of the problem with
> cross-references and text insets:
> 
> 
> 
> Requires Structured FrameMaker, though.
> 
> -j
> 
> On 2016-04-26 18:06, David Artman wrote:
> 
> > P.S. You missed a REAL and intractable issue: I've found sometimes that
> > cross-references just don't like text insets; and so I often advise a
> > strategy where headings are not the 'top leaf' of inset content, and the
> > actual-text-in-files must be targeted for cross-referencing (i.e.,
> > heading must be typed every time, then inset inserted). As such,
> > text-inset content can only really internally cross-reference (i.e.,
> > inside its own inset) or cross-reference between 'real' text in the
> > files that make the actual deliverable. Not a giant issue, but
> > non-optimal compared, say, to DITA conreffing.
> > 
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Johan Anglemark]

West Street Consulting's XRef Wizard takes care of the problem with 
cross-references and text insets:


http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_XRefWizard.htm

Requires Structured FrameMaker, though.

-j

On 2016-04-26 18:06, David Artman wrote:

P.S. You missed a REAL and intractable issue: I've found sometimes that
cross-references just don't like text insets; and so I often advise a
strategy where headings are not the 'top leaf' of inset content, and the
actual-text-in-files must be targeted for cross-referencing (i.e.,
heading must be typed every time, then inset inserted). As such,
text-inset content can only really internally cross-reference (i.e.,
inside its own inset) or cross-reference between 'real' text in the
files that make the actual deliverable. Not a giant issue, but
non-optimal compared, say, to DITA conreffing.


--
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Robert Lauriston]

A longstanding bug was that cross-references in text insets would not
work reliably (e.g. hyperlinks would be dead in exported PDFs),
instead you had to use newlink and gotolink.

I don't know if Adobe ever fixed that.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 9:06 AM, David Artman  wrote:
> ... I've found sometimes that
> cross-references just don't like text insets ...
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[David Artman]

One idea for you that I hope will be useful for these issues (works for
us!):

- There is no way, other than our spreadsheet, to see where the text
insets are used. So if inset A is used in book A, B, and C, we can't
tell that other than through the spreadsheet. You can't click the text
inset and see where it's used.

First, you do need a book-of-books with all of your library in it.
Usually not too daunting; and if your library is vast, make several
divided by whatever scheme you like.

Then, simply append a "file-killer' suffix to the inset that you are
testing for locations (e.g., rename "inset_How-to-Foo.fm" to
"inset_How-to-Foo.fm.HIDE").

Finally, do an Update on the book(s)-of-books and see in the log where
you get errors because of the now-'missing' inset file. [I know that's a
bit tedious for EVERY inset file update, but if you REALLY want to be
sure of where you're hitting existing books]

- Also, if we need to find information and we search the book or books
for that string, we can't find it as text insets aren't searchable. 

Easy as pie! Make a 'warehouse book' which contains every single FM file
in your library, solely for the purposes of doing global searches.
Again, if your library is vast, make a set of them divided by whatever
scheme you find most useful. In fact, a categorization scheme could also
help you with inset discovery (i.e., writers checking whether something
they want to add to a publication is already written and reusable): The
easier it is to narrow down a search prior to turning FrameMaker's Find
dialog loose, the better for efficiency.

Hope this reaffirms your strategy! And don't take any duff from folks
who think managing hundreds of insets is a bad idea--I've seen libraries
with thousands
David

P.S. You missed a REAL and intractable issue: I've found sometimes that
cross-references just don't like text insets; and so I often advise a
strategy where headings are not the 'top leaf' of inset content, and the
actual-text-in-files must be targeted for cross-referencing (i.e.,
heading must be typed every time, then inset inserted). As such,
text-inset content can only really internally cross-reference (i.e.,
inside its own inset) or cross-reference between 'real' text in the
files that make the actual deliverable. Not a giant issue, but
non-optimal compared, say, to DITA conreffing.
DCA
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[russ]

I guess I should chime in here with some clarification... it is true
that InsetPlus will only work with structured Frame, because only a
structured document has the markup to allow better automation. The
reason that you struggle with insets in unstructured Frame is because
the lack of metadata simply prevents anything more advanced. This is
true with many aspects beyond text insets, but I begin to digress.

InsetPlus works with any structured document, provided that you have an
attribute available on both source and reference elements to make the
link. InsetPlus uses a methodology very similar to the DITA conref
mechanism, so "conref" and "id" are typical attribute names. However,
you can use any attributes defined in your EDD that are not in use for
something else.

InsetPlus is completely free and always will be. The download includes
sample files and a tutorial.

Russ (Owner, WSC) 

>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Tornquist, Patti <
> patti.tornqu...@teamquest.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes and it looks excellent, but it only works with structured Frame.
>>
>> The jump from unstructured to structured Frame is quite significant.
>>
>> 
>> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com  on behalf
>> of Robert Lauriston 
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 12:03 PM
>> To: Tornquist, Patti; framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS
>>
>> Have you looked at InsetPlus?
>>
>> http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_InsetPlus.htm
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Tornquist, Patti
>>  wrote:
>>> We are using insets for reuse (and we use unstructured FM12). So for
>> content that is used in multiple places, we make it into a text inset and
>> then we can edit in one place and use it in multiple places.
>>>
>>> We log the insets in a spreadsheet by fm file name, topic title, writer,
>> and last change date, and then we regularly run a book of books to identify
>> text insets and determine if we're missing any in the spreadsheet.
>>>
>>> We have two main problems:
>>> - There is no way, other than our spreadsheet, to see where the text
>> insets are used. So if inset A is used in book A, B, and C, we can't tell
>> that other than through the spreadsheet. You can't click the text inset and
>> see where it's used.
>>> - Also, if we need to find information and we search the book or books
>> for that string, we can't find it as text insets aren't searchable.


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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Johan Anglemark]

We are using InsetPlus together AXCM, also from West Street Consulting, 
and everything is automated with a set of ExtendScripts from JANG 
Communication - http://www.jang.nl/.


We're talking about a few hundred insets per FrameMaker book. Back when 
we were using Unstructured FrameMaker we more or less stopped using text 
insets because we thought they didn't really work, but in the publishing 
framework we are using now, they work really well.


-j

On 2016-04-22 18:15, Art Campbell wrote:

Robert, are you using this, or just knew about it?
_
And, it does look as if it requires structured Fm, but the web site (quick
perusal) doesn't say what kind of structure is required/supported.

Any know?



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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Tornquist, Patti <
patti.tornqu...@teamquest.com> wrote:


Yes and it looks excellent, but it only works with structured Frame.

The jump from unstructured to structured Frame is quite significant.


From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com  on behalf
of Robert Lauriston 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 12:03 PM
To: Tornquist, Patti; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

Have you looked at InsetPlus?

http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_InsetPlus.htm

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Tornquist, Patti
 wrote:

We are using insets for reuse (and we use unstructured FM12).  So for

content that is used in multiple places, we make it into a text inset and
then we can edit in one place and use it in multiple places.


We log the insets in a spreadsheet by fm file name, topic title, writer,

and last change date, and then we regularly run a book of books to identify
text insets and determine if we're missing any in the spreadsheet.


We have two main problems:
- There is no way, other than our spreadsheet, to see where the text

insets are used.  So if inset A is used in book A, B, and C, we can't tell
that other than through the spreadsheet. You can't click the text inset and
see where it's used.

- Also, if we need to find information and we search the book or books

for that string, we can't find it as text insets aren't searchable.




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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Robert Lauriston]

I've never used it.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Robert, are you using this, or just knew about it?
> _
> And, it does look as if it requires structured Fm, but the web site (quick
> perusal) doesn't say what kind of structure is required/supported.
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Tornquist, Patti
>  wrote:
>>
>> Yes and it looks excellent, but it only works with structured Frame.
>>
>> The jump from unstructured to structured Frame is quite significant.
>>
>> 
>> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com  on behalf of
>> Robert Lauriston 
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 12:03 PM
>> To: Tornquist, Patti; framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS
>>
>> Have you looked at InsetPlus?
>>
>> http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_InsetPlus.htm
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Tornquist, Patti
>>  wrote:
>> > We are using insets for reuse (and we use unstructured FM12).  So for
>> > content that is used in multiple places, we make it into a text inset and
>> > then we can edit in one place and use it in multiple places.
>> >
>> > We log the insets in a spreadsheet by fm file name, topic title, writer,
>> > and last change date, and then we regularly run a book of books to identify
>> > text insets and determine if we're missing any in the spreadsheet.
>> >
>> > We have two main problems:
>> > - There is no way, other than our spreadsheet, to see where the text
>> > insets are used.  So if inset A is used in book A, B, and C, we can't tell
>> > that other than through the spreadsheet. You can't click the text inset and
>> > see where it's used.
>> > - Also, if we need to find information and we search the book or books
>> > for that string, we can't find it as text insets aren't searchable.
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Robert Lauriston]

Yeah, if I was looking to move away from FrameMaker for the reasons
you are, Flare would be the one to beat. Its FrameMaker import is
excellent so if your docs are tagged consistently the transition is
relatively painless.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Tornquist, Patti
 wrote:
> Yes and it looks excellent, but it only works with structured Frame.
>
> The jump from unstructured to structured Frame is quite significant.
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Art Campbell]

Robert, are you using this, or just knew about it?
_
And, it does look as if it requires structured Fm, but the web site (quick
perusal) doesn't say what kind of structure is required/supported.

Any know?



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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Tornquist, Patti <
patti.tornqu...@teamquest.com> wrote:

> Yes and it looks excellent, but it only works with structured Frame.
>
> The jump from unstructured to structured Frame is quite significant.
>
> 
> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com  on behalf
> of Robert Lauriston 
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 12:03 PM
> To: Tornquist, Patti; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS
>
> Have you looked at InsetPlus?
>
> http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_InsetPlus.htm
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Tornquist, Patti
>  wrote:
> > We are using insets for reuse (and we use unstructured FM12).  So for
> content that is used in multiple places, we make it into a text inset and
> then we can edit in one place and use it in multiple places.
> >
> > We log the insets in a spreadsheet by fm file name, topic title, writer,
> and last change date, and then we regularly run a book of books to identify
> text insets and determine if we're missing any in the spreadsheet.
> >
> > We have two main problems:
> > - There is no way, other than our spreadsheet, to see where the text
> insets are used.  So if inset A is used in book A, B, and C, we can't tell
> that other than through the spreadsheet. You can't click the text inset and
> see where it's used.
> > - Also, if we need to find information and we search the book or books
> for that string, we can't find it as text insets aren't searchable.
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Tornquist, Patti]

Yes and it looks excellent, but it only works with structured Frame.

The jump from unstructured to structured Frame is quite significant.


From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com  on behalf of 
Robert Lauriston 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 12:03 PM
To: Tornquist, Patti; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

Have you looked at InsetPlus?

http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_InsetPlus.htm

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Tornquist, Patti
 wrote:
> We are using insets for reuse (and we use unstructured FM12).  So for content 
> that is used in multiple places, we make it into a text inset and then we can 
> edit in one place and use it in multiple places.
>
> We log the insets in a spreadsheet by fm file name, topic title, writer, and 
> last change date, and then we regularly run a book of books to identify text 
> insets and determine if we're missing any in the spreadsheet.
>
> We have two main problems:
> - There is no way, other than our spreadsheet, to see where the text insets 
> are used.  So if inset A is used in book A, B, and C, we can't tell that 
> other than through the spreadsheet. You can't click the text inset and see 
> where it's used.
> - Also, if we need to find information and we search the book or books for 
> that string, we can't find it as text insets aren't searchable.
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Robert Lauriston]

Have you looked at InsetPlus?

http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_InsetPlus.htm

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Tornquist, Patti
 wrote:
> We are using insets for reuse (and we use unstructured FM12).  So for content 
> that is used in multiple places, we make it into a text inset and then we can 
> edit in one place and use it in multiple places.
>
> We log the insets in a spreadsheet by fm file name, topic title, writer, and 
> last change date, and then we regularly run a book of books to identify text 
> insets and determine if we're missing any in the spreadsheet.
>
> We have two main problems:
> - There is no way, other than our spreadsheet, to see where the text insets 
> are used.  So if inset A is used in book A, B, and C, we can't tell that 
> other than through the spreadsheet. You can't click the text inset and see 
> where it's used.
> - Also, if we need to find information and we search the book or books for 
> that string, we can't find it as text insets aren't searchable.
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Tornquist, Patti]

We are using insets for reuse (and we use unstructured FM12).  So for content 
that is used in multiple places, we make it into a text inset and then we can 
edit in one place and use it in multiple places.

We log the insets in a spreadsheet by fm file name, topic title, writer, and 
last change date, and then we regularly run a book of books to identify text 
insets and determine if we're missing any in the spreadsheet.

We have two main problems:
- There is no way, other than our spreadsheet, to see where the text insets are 
used.  So if inset A is used in book A, B, and C, we can't tell that other than 
through the spreadsheet. You can't click the text inset and see where it's used.
- Also, if we need to find information and we search the book or books for that 
string, we can't find it as text insets aren't searchable.  

Also, we are evaluating Flare and looking into structured Frame.  We know that 
a tool change will not be easy, however, so we want to be certain it meets our 
needs in doc and helps the business.

Thanks, Patti 


From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com  on behalf of 
Robert Lauriston 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:35 AM
To: Tornquist, Patti; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

Could you describe the end result? It's not exactly clear what you're
trying to accomplish. Are you generating multiple versions of a
document with different sets of insets? If so, how many documents and
how many insets?

Generally speaking, I would not try to do that with unstructured
FrameMaker. In that situation I'd be evaluating Flare and other tools
with stronger reuse capabilities.

That said, you could use Subversion or any similar revision control
system to group different sets of insets.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Tornquist, Patti
 wrote:
> In several posts recently, Framers have mentioned using Frame as a CMS with 
> text insets.  We are using text insets in Frame, but we're really struggling 
> with the CMS part.  We are "managing" the insets in a spreadsheet and that is 
> not very effective and takes quite a bit of maintenance.
>
> Could Framers who are using Frame as a CMS expound on that a bit?
>
> Thanks in advance for the insights --
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Robert Lauriston]

Could you describe the end result? It's not exactly clear what you're
trying to accomplish. Are you generating multiple versions of a
document with different sets of insets? If so, how many documents and
how many insets?

Generally speaking, I would not try to do that with unstructured
FrameMaker. In that situation I'd be evaluating Flare and other tools
with stronger reuse capabilities.

That said, you could use Subversion or any similar revision control
system to group different sets of insets.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Tornquist, Patti
 wrote:
> In several posts recently, Framers have mentioned using Frame as a CMS with 
> text insets.  We are using text insets in Frame, but we're really struggling 
> with the CMS part.  We are "managing" the insets in a spreadsheet and that is 
> not very effective and takes quite a bit of maintenance.
>
> Could Framers who are using Frame as a CMS expound on that a bit?
>
> Thanks in advance for the insights --
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Art Campbell]

And to whoever is seriously using this to manage 50-100+ insets and do it
well, please share the drugs...


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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Pat Christenson <
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> Please share your observations on the list or with me privately. I've been
> thinking about this and will welcome input.
>
> Pat Christenson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+pat.christenson=
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> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 7:54 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS
>
> In several posts recently, Framers have mentioned using Frame as a CMS
> with text insets.  We are using text insets in Frame, but we're really
> struggling with the CMS part.  We are "managing" the insets in a
> spreadsheet and that is not very effective and takes quite a bit of
> maintenance.
>
> Could Framers who are using Frame as a CMS expound on that a bit?
>
> Thanks in advance for the insights --
>
> Patti Tornquist
> Product Documentation
> TeamQuest Corporation
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Re: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Pat Christenson]

Please share your observations on the list or with me privately. I've been 
thinking about this and will welcome input.

Pat Christenson

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

In several posts recently, Framers have mentioned using Frame as a CMS with 
text insets.  We are using text insets in Frame, but we're really struggling 
with the CMS part.  We are "managing" the insets in a spreadsheet and that is 
not very effective and takes quite a bit of maintenance.

Could Framers who are using Frame as a CMS expound on that a bit?

Thanks in advance for the insights --

Patti Tornquist
Product Documentation
TeamQuest Corporation
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[Framers] Using Frame as a little CMS

[Tornquist, Patti]

In several posts recently, Framers have mentioned using Frame as a CMS with 
text insets.  We are using text insets in Frame, but we're really struggling 
with the CMS part.  We are "managing" the insets in a spreadsheet and that is 
not very effective and takes quite a bit of maintenance.

Could Framers who are using Frame as a CMS expound on that a bit?

Thanks in advance for the insights --

Patti Tornquist
Product Documentation
TeamQuest Corporation
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RE: Framemaker CMS hookup to CVS?

[Michael Norton]

Art Campbell asked:

Has anyone been able to get Frame (12) integrated with a plain ol' CVS source 
control repository through the CMS menu?
--

I got it to hook up with SharePoint. Unfortunately, SharePoint is not a very 
good source control repository for our needs. As one astute Framer noted, "It's 
more proof of concept than an actual solution." So true.





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Has anyone been able to get Frame (12) integrated with a plain ol' CVS
source control repository through the CMS menu?

Cheers,
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Re: I am planning to implement a CMS solution

[Liz Fraley]

Buying and implementing a CMS is a business decision: it is not a retail
decision. You need to understand your requirements, your needs, your
staffing and resources limitations and requirements, in order to choose a
CMS. Not all businesses are the same; everyone has different purposes and
needs. You have to do the work. There are no shortcut answers.


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Second on that. Implementing a CMS to accomplish what ends? What are
> your various deliverables?
>
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Bill Swallow 
> wrote:
> > It is impossible to recommend a CMS (or a CCMS) without knowing your
> > requirements.
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Re: I am planning to implement a CMS solution

[Robert Lauriston]

Second on that. Implementing a CMS to accomplish what ends? What are
your various deliverables?

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Bill Swallow  wrote:
> It is impossible to recommend a CMS (or a CCMS) without knowing your
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Re: I am planning to implement a CMS solution

[Bill Swallow]

Structured FrameMaker is an authoring tool, not a CMS.

It is impossible to recommend a CMS (or a CCMS) without knowing your
requirements.


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> Hi,
>
> Iam planning to implement a CMS solution, which one would you recommend. I
> know Structured FrameMaker can be used for editing documents and I just
> need the cost, best product and implementation details.
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> Thanks & Regards
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[Dixit Ponnukasu]

Hi,

Iam planning to implement a CMS solution, which one would you recommend. I know 
Structured FrameMaker can be used for editing documents and I just need the 
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 11:08:05 -0700
From: Carolyn Stallard 
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Mif2Go, DITA2Go, uDoc2Go: now open source
Message-ID: <53d3ee85.6000...@omsys.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

FrameMaker plug-in Mif2Go is available for download, at no charge:
http://mif2go.com

Join the new Mif2Go list:
https://groups.yahoo.com/group/mif2go

DITA2Go is available for download:
http://dita2go.com

Join the new DITA2Go list:
https://groups.yahoo.com/group/dita2go

uDoc2Go has not yet been released; read about uDoc and this new processor:
http://udoc2go.com

Join the new uDoc2Go list:
https://groups.yahoo.com/group/udoc2go

Omni Systems is closed.  As Jeremy Griffith wished, source code will be made 
available for all three software tools.  Scott Prentice has very kindly agreed 
to set up projects for this purpose on SourceForge.  Scott has already set up a 
list as a gathering place for people interested in helping with maintenance and 
development, so we can communicate in preparation for the move to SourceForge. 
For example, we might discuss whether to use SVN or GIT.  If you wish to help, 
please join:

https://groups.yahoo.com/group/omsys-dev

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Subject: Re: Mif2Go, DITA2Go, uDoc2Go: now open source
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Thank you, Carolyn, Scott (and Jeremy).

Nadine


>
> From: Carolyn Stallard 
>To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
>Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:08:05 PM
>Subject: Mif2Go, DITA2Go, uDoc2Go: now open source
> 
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>FrameMaker plug-in Mif2Go is available for download, at no charge:
>http://mif2go.com
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>Join the new Mif2Go list:
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>DITA2Go is available for download:
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>uDoc2Go has not yet been released; read about uDoc and this new processor:
>http://udoc2go.com
>
>Join the new uDoc2Go list:
>https://groups.yahoo.com/group/udoc2go
>
>Omni Systems is closed.? As Jeremy Griffith wished, source code will be made 
>available for all three software tools.? Scott Prentice has very kindly agreed 
>to set up projects for this purpose on SourceForge.? Scott has already set up 
>a 
>list as a gathering place for people interested in helping with maintenance 
>and 
>development, so we can communicate in preparation for the move to SourceForge. 
>For example, we might discuss whether to use SVN or GIT.? If you wish to help, 
>please join:
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>https://groups.yahoo.com/group/omsys-dev
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Re: Best CMS to use with DITA

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi Gillian,

There won’t be a best CMS to use with DITA in general. I all depends on your 
requirements. And budget…

Oxygen is not a CMS, Oxygen is an authoring tool. Subversion is not a CMS 
either. For DITA you would not look for a document CMS - look for a Component 
Content Management System (CCMS) or any of the DITA CMS-es: Easy DTA (what are 
the issues you encounter?), DITAToo (budget, best price/quality ratio, 
integrates with FrameMaker), DocZone (SaaS), Bluestream (integrates with FM 
using DITA-FMx). For large scale implementations there’s Componize, Ixiasoft, 
SDL, etc..

Trados is not a CMS either, Trados is a translation tool.

Since you’re on the FrameMaker list I presume you use FM as authoring and 
publishing tool. Then either DITAToo or Bluestream would be a good choice. Both 
easy to install and good fit for a small team.

If you need help, contact me off list.

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Wim Hooghwinkel

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Best CMS to use with DITA

[gill6034]

DITA experts, 

In your own personal experience, what do you think is the best CMS to use with 
DITA, specifically, the Oxygen authoring tool? We could do either self-hosting, 
or a SAAS model. 

I've used Subversion and EasyDita. I don't consider Subversion to be a real 
document CMS, and EasyDita has some issues. 

I think Trados is too expensive and we don't translate yet, so we really don't 
need all that. 

Thanks in advance for your help. 

-Gillian 
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{ANN:} May 2nd Webinar on DITA CMS solution for FrameMaker

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

Webinar: FrameMaker and DITAToo DITA CMS on May 2 at 10:00 AM PDT
Register at: http://adobe.ly/10sZCZ8

TWEET:
2 May 10AM PDT webinar "FrameMaker &  DITAToo DITA CMS" See DITA/CMS integrated 
in #FrameMaker http://adobe.ly/10sZCZ8 #techcomm #DITA

DITAToo is a DITA Content Management System (DITA CMS) that lets you easily and 
cost-effectively automate and facilitate many DITA-related tasks. Features that 
DITAToo provides include full text and metadata-based search, automatic 
conversion from MS Word to DITA, link management, topic reuse tracking, maps 
assembly, publishing, translation management, version control, and much more.

Now DITAToo DITA CMS is tightly integrated with Adobe FrameMaker 11. You can 
access the DITAToo content repository and work with files from within the 
FrameMaker user interface. This gives you an out-of-the-box integrated solution 
where you use FrameMaker for DITA authoring and publishing and DITAToo for 
managing DITA.

In this webinar, among other things, you'll see how to:
-Automatically convert an MS Word document to DITA and upload the converted 
content to the DITAToo content repository
-Access the DITAToo content repository from within Adobe FrameMaker
-Move and rename files and folders in the DITAToo content repository and 
let DITAToo automatically update cross-references
-Create new DITA topics and update existing topics in the DITAToo content 
repository using FrameMaker
-Publish and manage conditional content variations

About the Presenter: Alex Masycheff is a co-founder and CEO of Intuillion Ltd., 
the developer of DITAToo DITA CMS. Before founding Intuillion Ltd , Alex worked 
in the technical communication and content management industry for over 17 
years as information architect, content management consultant, CMS 
implementation manager, and product manager. He was leading the implementation 
of XML-based solutions at many companies, including Kodak, General Electric, 
Siemens, and RADVision.



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[Maxwell Hoffmann]

Webinar: FrameMaker and DITAToo DITA CMS on May 2 at 10:00 AM PDT
Register at: http://adobe.ly/10sZCZ8

TWEET:
2 May 10AM PDT webinar "FrameMaker &  DITAToo DITA CMS" See DITA/CMS integrated 
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DITAToo is a DITA Content Management System (DITA CMS) that lets you easily and 
cost-effectively automate and facilitate many DITA-related tasks. Features that 
DITAToo provides include full text and metadata-based search, automatic 
conversion from MS Word to DITA, link management, topic reuse tracking, maps 
assembly, publishing, translation management, version control, and much more.

Now DITAToo DITA CMS is tightly integrated with Adobe FrameMaker 11. You can 
access the DITAToo content repository and work with files from within the 
FrameMaker user interface. This gives you an out-of-the-box integrated solution 
where you use FrameMaker for DITA authoring and publishing and DITAToo for 
managing DITA.

In this webinar, among other things, you'll see how to:
-Automatically convert an MS Word document to DITA and upload the converted 
content to the DITAToo content repository
-Access the DITAToo content repository from within Adobe FrameMaker
-Move and rename files and folders in the DITAToo content repository and 
let DITAToo automatically update cross-references
-Create new DITA topics and update existing topics in the DITAToo content 
repository using FrameMaker
-Publish and manage conditional content variations

About the Presenter: Alex Masycheff is a co-founder and CEO of Intuillion Ltd., 
the developer of DITAToo DITA CMS. Before founding Intuillion Ltd , Alex worked 
in the technical communication and content management industry for over 17 
years as information architect, content management consultant, CMS 
implementation manager, and product manager. He was leading the implementation 
of XML-based solutions at many companies, including Kodak, General Electric, 
Siemens, and RADVision.



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FrameMaker CMS: OpenText Integration

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

Has anyone done any FrameMaker integration with OpenText content management
system? Or more generally, has anyone done any custom CMS integration with
FrameMaker 10 or 11? Any information would be appreciated. Thank you very
much.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
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FrameMaker CMS: OpenText Integration

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

Has anyone done any FrameMaker integration with OpenText content management
system? Or more generally, has anyone done any custom CMS integration with
FrameMaker 10 or 11? Any information would be appreciated. Thank you very
much.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
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FrameMaker and Open Text CMS

[William Gerstemeier]

Hello Framers,
Does anyone have experience using FrameMaker in conjunction with Open Text
- Document Management System ( formerly LiveLink - Doc mgt system).
Our company has invested in Open Text for integration with SAP.  We have
been using FrameMaker for many years to create a set of manufacturing
procedures published as PDFs with many cross references and navigation
features.  I'm hoping someone can help me appreciate the pros and cons of
managing our documents within Open text.  I appreciate any advice and
counsel available.
Thanks in advance!

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FrameMaker and Open Text CMS

[William Gerstemeier]

Hello Framers,
Does anyone have experience using FrameMaker in conjunction with Open Text
- Document Management System ( formerly LiveLink - Doc mgt system).
Our company has invested in Open Text for integration with SAP.  We have
been using FrameMaker for many years to create a set of manufacturing
procedures published as PDFs with many cross references and navigation
features.  I'm hoping someone can help me appreciate the pros and cons of
managing our documents within Open text.  I appreciate any advice and
counsel available.
Thanks in advance!

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using CMS Connection with SharePoint Foundation (was: Re: Framemaker 10)

[Robert Lauriston]

Whether the free ("Foundation") version is any different as regards
CMS Connection I don't know, but in general people have reported mixed
results:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/4340736
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4390897

Personally I've had almost no luck getting SharePoint to do anything
other than serve as a library for Microsoft Office documents.
Subversion is free, designed specifically for that purpose, and works
well, which to me outweighs any advantages of FrameMaker integration.

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> Hi,
> Does anyone know if this works with the free version of Sharepoint?
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using CMS Connection with SharePoint Foundation (was: Re: Framemaker 10)

[Robert Lauriston]

Whether the free ("Foundation") version is any different as regards
CMS Connection I don't know, but in general people have reported mixed
results:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/4340736
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4390897

Personally I've had almost no luck getting SharePoint to do anything
other than serve as a library for Microsoft Office documents.
Subversion is free, designed specifically for that purpose, and works
well, which to me outweighs any advantages of FrameMaker integration.

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Katrina Owens
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> Hi,
> Does anyone know if this works with the free version of Sharepoint?

RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

[Jack DeLand]

Richard,

 

Thanks very much for your detailed input.  I am the sole writer for our
outfit, with 15 developers in the UK and some management types in the UK and
Michigan.  I think moving to structured FM may be the better method for us
for a variety of reasons, but I will look into the feasibility of having
SMEs do edits in FM.  Definitely food for thought.

 

Regards,

Jack

 

From: ri...@inficon.com [mailto:ri...@inficon.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:36 AM
To: jackdel...@comcast.net
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

 

Jack, 

My SME's work directly in unstructured FrameMaker 9. We all work on the same
set of files in a shared directory on our corporate internet. I have a
well-defined set of templates, along with a well-defined set of Corporate
Branding Standards and Grammar Standards. I work closely with the SMEs. I
help the SMEs set up the project, train the SMEs in how to use the
FrameMaker templates, edit their work to standards, and guide the process
from start through final approvals to publishing. My deliverable is always
PDF ready to print on standard 8 1/2 x 11 paper. The PDF is posted on our
internet page and/or shipped with product on a Manuals CD.  INFICON is
ISO9001:2008 Registered. I am audited regularly. 

There are 250 people at my location. We have 15 copies of FrameMaker that
rotate through many different SMEs, depending on project activity. My
Information Systems (IS) department manages the FrameMaker licenses and
installations, IS set up the shared directory, and IS backs up the shared
directory nightly. We've been doing this for many years. Regular SMEs have
become very proficient with FrameMaker. New SMEs adapt to FrameMaker very
quickly. We all have Win7 MSOffice Professional. The SMEs use MSWord for
many of their project documentation activities. However, they prefer using
FM for manuals and other customer-facing documents. 

I don't use a CMS. All project related files are kept in a shared directory.
I use Bruce Foster's Archive plugin to keep everything neat and tidy (and to
archive the files to a secure directory when the project is published.) In
the past couple of years I have looked closely at structured authoring, XML,
DITA with a CMS. To me, this approach is expensive while providing little
added value and is therefore difficult to justify. I agree that just a CMS
may be helpful. But, even just a decent CMS alone is hard to justify given
its cost. Our current methodology works so well for us that I need to see
real value-added improvement to justify the cost of changing. I've not seen
them, yet. 

My SMEs use FrameMaker 9, a digital camera (to JPG), and a screen capture
program (FullShot or Snagit to PNG). It used to be that I was the only one
to have Photoshop and Illustrator to edit the JPG and PNG files. But, many
of the SMEs have obtained these programs because they watched what I could
do with them, and they want to use them for their other projects as well
(e.g., Engineering Proposals). 

Don't be afraid of having your SMEs use FrameMaker for authoring. As long as
you have well-defined templates backed up by corporate standards, you'll
find that your SMEs will not have any issues with working in FrameMaker. 

Thanks!
Richard

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All,

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to
edit text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as
the publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the
company is aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word
processing".  I basically need functionality something like Author-it that
ties into Frame.  I could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm
thinking we would have 3 developers at a tim

FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

[Jack DeLand]

Richard,



Thanks very much for your detailed input.  I am the sole writer for our
outfit, with 15 developers in the UK and some management types in the UK and
Michigan.  I think moving to structured FM may be the better method for us
for a variety of reasons, but I will look into the feasibility of having
SMEs do edits in FM.  Definitely food for thought.



Regards,

Jack



From: rinch at Inficon.com [mailto:ri...@inficon.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:36 AM
To: jackdeland at comcast.net
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?



Jack, 

My SME's work directly in unstructured FrameMaker 9. We all work on the same
set of files in a shared directory on our corporate internet. I have a
well-defined set of templates, along with a well-defined set of Corporate
Branding Standards and Grammar Standards. I work closely with the SMEs. I
help the SMEs set up the project, train the SMEs in how to use the
FrameMaker templates, edit their work to standards, and guide the process
from start through final approvals to publishing. My deliverable is always
PDF ready to print on standard 8 1/2 x 11 paper. The PDF is posted on our
internet page and/or shipped with product on a Manuals CD.  INFICON is
ISO9001:2008 Registered. I am audited regularly. 

There are 250 people at my location. We have 15 copies of FrameMaker that
rotate through many different SMEs, depending on project activity. My
Information Systems (IS) department manages the FrameMaker licenses and
installations, IS set up the shared directory, and IS backs up the shared
directory nightly. We've been doing this for many years. Regular SMEs have
become very proficient with FrameMaker. New SMEs adapt to FrameMaker very
quickly. We all have Win7 MSOffice Professional. The SMEs use MSWord for
many of their project documentation activities. However, they prefer using
FM for manuals and other customer-facing documents. 

I don't use a CMS. All project related files are kept in a shared directory.
I use Bruce Foster's Archive plugin to keep everything neat and tidy (and to
archive the files to a secure directory when the project is published.) In
the past couple of years I have looked closely at structured authoring, XML,
DITA with a CMS. To me, this approach is expensive while providing little
added value and is therefore difficult to justify. I agree that just a CMS
may be helpful. But, even just a decent CMS alone is hard to justify given
its cost. Our current methodology works so well for us that I need to see
real value-added improvement to justify the cost of changing. I've not seen
them, yet. 

My SMEs use FrameMaker 9, a digital camera (to JPG), and a screen capture
program (FullShot or Snagit to PNG). It used to be that I was the only one
to have Photoshop and Illustrator to edit the JPG and PNG files. But, many
of the SMEs have obtained these programs because they watched what I could
do with them, and they want to use them for their other projects as well
(e.g., Engineering Proposals). 

Don't be afraid of having your SMEs use FrameMaker for authoring. As long as
you have well-defined templates backed up by corporate standards, you'll
find that your SMEs will not have any issues with working in FrameMaker. 

Thanks!
Richard

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From:jackdel...@comcast.net 
To:framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Date:01/26/2012 03:56 PM 
Subject:FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$? 
Sent by:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 

  _  




All,

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to
edit text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as
the publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the
company is aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word
processing".  I basically need functionality something like Author-it that
ties into Frame.  I could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm
thinking we would have 

FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

[Jack DeLand]

John,



Thank you very much for your detailed reply and kind offer.  To answer your 
question, the SMEs would not be able to publish to user docs; I am the sole 
owner. We (developers and I) do all have access to XML editors, and this may be 
the push I need to finally ?go structured?.  



We do a lot of work with Federal clients and others who for reasons of security 
do not have access to the Net, and for that reason, web-based solutions such as 
wikis would not reach about 20-22% of our user base.  Internal documentation is 
another circumstance and one that I can?t go into.



I?ll do some cogitating about the structured route.  It makes a lot of sense, 
and now would be a perfect time to do it.  



Regards,

Jack DeLand



From: John Sgammato [mailto:jsgamm...@imprivata.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:08 AM
To: 'jackdeland at comcast.net'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?



If you go to structured FM, then the SMEs can write topics in their favorite 
XML/text editor. 

But getting structured is a major change that your organization might not be 
ready for. 



I would ask the boss to refine the task. Is it for SMEs to publish to users 
without your attention? That?s tricky. But if you have to edit it to company 
standards and do any wordsmithing at all, then they may as well just send you 
content in Word or in an email. In my experience, the reformatting part of it 
is quick compared to making sure the content is complete and accurate for the 
reader.



We are setting off into a project that will include your goal: Our Support crew 
needed a new knowledgebase that includes their Solutions and my product 
documentation. I got involved and suggested MindTouch (which was recommended to 
me by Scott Abel and which you can see in action at the AutoDesk/AutoCad 
knowledgebase).  

What we get: All my legacy content becomes nodes in the knowledgebase ? each 
procedure, every Heading 1 and Heading 2, becomes a tagged article in the KB. 
All the content is searchable by keyword and by product version. 

All new content can be published from FM. The published content is HTML with a 
familiar sort of interface, so Support can continue entering their own 
Solutions, but now they can reference all the product documentation as well. 
Access is role-based, so Services can add their own articles, and make them 
readable internal-only. Articles are commentable, so a user (or a support or 
Services guy) can add comments to clarify or support a procedure, and I can get 
an automatic email notification so I can update the article as needed. 

So SMEs can publish content directly, or they can submit it to me, and we get 
hugely-improved functionality as well. 

I?ll be happy to answer any questions about my experience as we go through it; 
feel free to contact me directly.



John Sgammato 

Principal Technical Writer

Imprivata, Inc





From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of jackdel...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:58 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?



All,

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing".  I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame.  I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm thinking we would have 
3 developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me.  That's a budget 
of $2500 or less per year per user.

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?  

Thanks,

Jack DeLand

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[John Sgammato]

If you go to structured FM, then the SMEs can write topics in their favorite 
XML/text editor.
But getting structured is a major change that your organization might not be 
ready for.

I would ask the boss to refine the task. Is it for SMEs to publish to users 
without your attention? That?s tricky. But if you have to edit it to company 
standards and do any wordsmithing at all, then they may as well just send you 
content in Word or in an email. In my experience, the reformatting part of it 
is quick compared to making sure the content is complete and accurate for the 
reader.

We are setting off into a project that will include your goal: Our Support crew 
needed a new knowledgebase that includes their Solutions and my product 
documentation. I got involved and suggested MindTouch (which was recommended to 
me by Scott Abel and which you can see in action at the AutoDesk/AutoCad 
knowledgebase).
What we get: All my legacy content becomes nodes in the knowledgebase ? each 
procedure, every Heading 1 and Heading 2, becomes a tagged article in the KB. 
All the content is searchable by keyword and by product version.
All new content can be published from FM. The published content is HTML with a 
familiar sort of interface, so Support can continue entering their own 
Solutions, but now they can reference all the product documentation as well. 
Access is role-based, so Services can add their own articles, and make them 
readable internal-only. Articles are commentable, so a user (or a support or 
Services guy) can add comments to clarify or support a procedure, and I can get 
an automatic email notification so I can update the article as needed.
So SMEs can publish content directly, or they can submit it to me, and we get 
hugely-improved functionality as well.
I?ll be happy to answer any questions about my experience as we go through it; 
feel free to contact me directly.

John Sgammato
Principal Technical Writer
Imprivata, Inc

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of jackdel...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:58 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

All,

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing".  I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame.  I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm thinking we would have 
3 developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me.  That's a budget 
of $2500 or less per year per user.

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?

Thanks,

Jack DeLand
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[D L Reynolds]

> IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just word processing 

For what it's worth, a colleague has created a customized user interface for FM 
that shows only basic functions; all the fancy stuff that can get you into 
trouble is hidden from the user. This enables non-FM types like admins and 
engineers to use it as if it were a simple word processor, but they can't hose 
things -- at least not creatively.

I can't swear to this, but I think he did the whole thing with changes to the 
maker.ini file.

D L Reynolds
reynolds at semicool.com

RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

[Jack DeLand]

John,

 

Thank you very much for your detailed reply and kind offer.  To answer your 
question, the SMEs would not be able to publish to user docs; I am the sole 
owner. We (developers and I) do all have access to XML editors, and this may be 
the push I need to finally “go structured”.  

 

We do a lot of work with Federal clients and others who for reasons of security 
do not have access to the Net, and for that reason, web-based solutions such as 
wikis would not reach about 20-22% of our user base.  Internal documentation is 
another circumstance and one that I can’t go into.

 

I’ll do some cogitating about the structured route.  It makes a lot of sense, 
and now would be a perfect time to do it.  

 

Regards,

Jack DeLand

 

From: John Sgammato [mailto:jsgamm...@imprivata.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:08 AM
To: 'jackdel...@comcast.net'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

 

If you go to structured FM, then the SMEs can write topics in their favorite 
XML/text editor. 

But getting structured is a major change that your organization might not be 
ready for. 

 

I would ask the boss to refine the task. Is it for SMEs to publish to users 
without your attention? That’s tricky. But if you have to edit it to company 
standards and do any wordsmithing at all, then they may as well just send you 
content in Word or in an email. In my experience, the reformatting part of it 
is quick compared to making sure the content is complete and accurate for the 
reader.

 

We are setting off into a project that will include your goal: Our Support crew 
needed a new knowledgebase that includes their Solutions and my product 
documentation. I got involved and suggested MindTouch (which was recommended to 
me by Scott Abel and which you can see in action at the AutoDesk/AutoCad 
knowledgebase).  

What we get: All my legacy content becomes nodes in the knowledgebase – each 
procedure, every Heading 1 and Heading 2, becomes a tagged article in the KB. 
All the content is searchable by keyword and by product version. 

All new content can be published from FM. The published content is HTML with a 
familiar sort of interface, so Support can continue entering their own 
Solutions, but now they can reference all the product documentation as well. 
Access is role-based, so Services can add their own articles, and make them 
readable internal-only. Articles are commentable, so a user (or a support or 
Services guy) can add comments to clarify or support a procedure, and I can get 
an automatic email notification so I can update the article as needed. 

So SMEs can publish content directly, or they can submit it to me, and we get 
hugely-improved functionality as well. 

I’ll be happy to answer any questions about my experience as we go through it; 
feel free to contact me directly.

 

John Sgammato 

Principal Technical Writer

Imprivata, Inc

 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
jackdel...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

 

All,

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing".  I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame.  I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm thinking we would have 
3 developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me.  That's a budget 
of $2500 or less per year per user.

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?  

Thanks,

Jack DeLand

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Re: Fw: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

[Keith . Soltys]

I'm starting to use SmartDocs and will be rolling it out to an initial 
group of about a dozne users, none of whom are technical writers.

It gives Word users a lot of the capabilities that Frame users have had 
for a while: conditional text, reusable variables, and snippets, all of 
which can be combined as you see fit. It uses SharePoint as a repository 
for the SmartDocs content, but your documents can reside anywhere. 

I've been using it to condense multiple versions of specification 
documents into "master" versions from which I can output "snapshots" - 
that is versions made up of specific combinations of variables, snippets, 
and conditionals. So far, it seems to be working out pretty well and will 
save me and our group a lot of work in the long run. 

It's very easy to use and seems robust. But it is a Word-only tool. (Word 
2007 and 2010, at that). 

Frame has all of these capabilities, but SmartDocs makes it much easier to 
manage them across multiple documents. I may end up using it for some 
projects that I'd have used Frame for previously, just because it's so 
easy to use. And it's mulit-user, so our group can share reusable content 
across documents and project - something that is a pain to manage in 
Frame. 

Suggestion to any Frame developers out there readomg this: Now that Frame 
has SharePoint integration, look at putting together something like 
SmartDocs for Frame. You'd clean up.

Regards
Keith


> 
> I don't really know anything about this product, but Jeff's comment made 

> me think of it: http://www.thirtysix.net/smartdocs/default.aspx
> 
> 
> >Nadine
> 
> 
> >>
> >> From: Jeff Coatsworth 
> >>To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
> >>Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:11:21 PM
> >>Subject: RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?
> >> 
> >>
> >> 
> >>IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just 
> word processing - I'd be inclined to just keep them on Word and have 
them submit 
> docs to you. Or go to something wiki-like (& cheap) like 
> Confluence.
> >>

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RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

[rebecca officer]

Something XML based? They edit in a free/cheap XML editor, you open the same 
files in FM and publish. I haven't done this so could be talking through a hole 
in my head but it sounds feasible.
 
Steep learning curve for you but prob not for the developers.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> On 27/01/12 at 10:11, Jeff Coatsworth  
>>> wrote:

IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just word processing - I'd be 
inclined to just keep them on Word and have them submit docs to you. Or go to 
something wiki-like (& cheap) like Confluence.

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Subject: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

All,

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing".  I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame.  I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm thinking we would have 
3 developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me.  That's a budget 
of $2500 or less per year per user.

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?  

Thanks,

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Re: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

[jackdeland]

Ideally, we would have a system that keeps chunks of info that I could let 
others access (with versioning), then I would output the chunks into Frame 
files and/or RoboHelp. 

- Original Message -
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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:11:21 PM 
Subject: RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$? 


IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just word processing - I'd be 
inclined to just keep them on Word and have them submit docs to you. Or go to 
something wiki-like (& cheap) like Confluence. 


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All, 

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine. I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing". I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame. I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5). I'm thinking we would have 3 
developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me. That's a budget of 
$2500 or less per year per user. 

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here? 

Thanks, 

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RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

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Would you be willing to expand on that, or at least give us your colleague's
contact information? That could address a myriad of issues for my office.
I'm currently the only person who can edit the manuals, and the most likely
backup person to train would likely screw up my manuals beyond imagination.

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> 
> > IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just word processing
> 
> For what it's worth, a colleague has created a customized user interface
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> that shows only basic functions; all the fancy stuff that can get you into
trouble
> is hidden from the user. This enables non-FM types like admins and
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-- at least
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> 
> I can't swear to this, but I think he did the whole thing with changes to
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Would you be willing to expand on that, or at least give us your colleague's
contact information? That could address a myriad of issues for my office.
I'm currently the only person who can edit the manuals, and the most likely
backup person to train would likely screw up my manuals beyond imagination.

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> > IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just word processing
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> IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just word processing 

For what it's worth, a colleague has created a customized user interface for FM 
that shows only basic functions; all the fancy stuff that can get you into 
trouble is hidden from the user. This enables non-FM types like admins and 
engineers to use it as if it were a simple word processor, but they can't hose 
things -- at least not creatively.

I can't swear to this, but I think he did the whole thing with changes to the 
maker.ini file.

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[rebecca officer]

Something XML based? They edit in a free/cheap XML editor, you open the same 
files in FM and publish. I haven't done this so could be talking through a hole 
in my head but it sounds feasible.

Steep learning curve for you but prob not for the developers.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> On 27/01/12 at 10:11, Jeff Coatsworth >> jonassoftware.com> wrote:

IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just word processing - I'd be 
inclined to just keep them on Word and have them submit docs to you. Or go to 
something wiki-like (& cheap) like Confluence.

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All,

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing".  I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame.  I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm thinking we would have 
3 developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me.  That's a budget 
of $2500 or less per year per user.

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?  

Thanks,

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[keith.sol...@tmx.com]

I'm starting to use SmartDocs and will be rolling it out to an initial 
group of about a dozne users, none of whom are technical writers.

It gives Word users a lot of the capabilities that Frame users have had 
for a while: conditional text, reusable variables, and snippets, all of 
which can be combined as you see fit. It uses SharePoint as a repository 
for the SmartDocs content, but your documents can reside anywhere. 

I've been using it to condense multiple versions of specification 
documents into "master" versions from which I can output "snapshots" - 
that is versions made up of specific combinations of variables, snippets, 
and conditionals. So far, it seems to be working out pretty well and will 
save me and our group a lot of work in the long run. 

It's very easy to use and seems robust. But it is a Word-only tool. (Word 
2007 and 2010, at that). 

Frame has all of these capabilities, but SmartDocs makes it much easier to 
manage them across multiple documents. I may end up using it for some 
projects that I'd have used Frame for previously, just because it's so 
easy to use. And it's mulit-user, so our group can share reusable content 
across documents and project - something that is a pain to manage in 
Frame. 

Suggestion to any Frame developers out there readomg this: Now that Frame 
has SharePoint integration, look at putting together something like 
SmartDocs for Frame. You'd clean up.

Regards
Keith


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> I don't really know anything about this product, but Jeff's comment made 

> me think of it: http://www.thirtysix.net/smartdocs/default.aspx
> 
> 
> >Nadine
> 
> 
> >>
> >> From: Jeff Coatsworth 
> >>To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
> >>Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:11:21 PM
> >>Subject: RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?
> >> 
> >>
> >> 
> >>IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just 
> word processing - I'd be inclined to just keep them on Word and have 
them submit 
> docs to you. Or go to something wiki-like (& cheap) like 
> Confluence.
> >>

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FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

[Art Campbell]

My take on it would be to use a free open source engine such as WordPress
as the CMS (I've been doing this a lot lately -- good solid platform.)

Then use Frame's database publishing capability to to into the MySQL
database that feed the CMS and pull out content. You should also be able to
pull legacy content out of Frame through MIF2go HTML or XML.

No, I haven't done it yet, but all the pieces should theoretically work
together. "Some assembly required."
 ;- )

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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

> All,
>
> I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our
> publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to
> edit text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker
> as the publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the
> company is aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word
> processing".  I basically need functionality something like Author-it that
> ties into Frame.  I could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm
> thinking we would have 3 developers at a time who might be using the
> system, plus me.  That's a budget of $2500 or less per year per user.
>
> Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack DeLand
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[John Sgammato]

If you go to structured FM, then the SMEs can write topics in their favorite 
XML/text editor.
But getting structured is a major change that your organization might not be 
ready for.

I would ask the boss to refine the task. Is it for SMEs to publish to users 
without your attention? That’s tricky. But if you have to edit it to company 
standards and do any wordsmithing at all, then they may as well just send you 
content in Word or in an email. In my experience, the reformatting part of it 
is quick compared to making sure the content is complete and accurate for the 
reader.

We are setting off into a project that will include your goal: Our Support crew 
needed a new knowledgebase that includes their Solutions and my product 
documentation. I got involved and suggested MindTouch (which was recommended to 
me by Scott Abel and which you can see in action at the AutoDesk/AutoCad 
knowledgebase).
What we get: All my legacy content becomes nodes in the knowledgebase – each 
procedure, every Heading 1 and Heading 2, becomes a tagged article in the KB. 
All the content is searchable by keyword and by product version.
All new content can be published from FM. The published content is HTML with a 
familiar sort of interface, so Support can continue entering their own 
Solutions, but now they can reference all the product documentation as well. 
Access is role-based, so Services can add their own articles, and make them 
readable internal-only. Articles are commentable, so a user (or a support or 
Services guy) can add comments to clarify or support a procedure, and I can get 
an automatic email notification so I can update the article as needed.
So SMEs can publish content directly, or they can submit it to me, and we get 
hugely-improved functionality as well.
I’ll be happy to answer any questions about my experience as we go through it; 
feel free to contact me directly.

John Sgammato
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Imprivata, Inc

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Subject: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

All,

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing".  I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame.  I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm thinking we would have 
3 developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me.  That's a budget 
of $2500 or less per year per user.

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?

Thanks,

Jack DeLand
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[Art Campbell]

My take on it would be to use a free open source engine such as WordPress
as the CMS (I've been doing this a lot lately -- good solid platform.)

Then use Frame's database publishing capability to to into the MySQL
database that feed the CMS and pull out content. You should also be able to
pull legacy content out of Frame through MIF2go HTML or XML.

No, I haven't done it yet, but all the pieces should theoretically work
together. "Some assembly required."
 ;- )

Art

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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

> All,
>
> I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our
> publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to
> edit text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker
> as the publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the
> company is aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word
> processing".  I basically need functionality something like Author-it that
> ties into Frame.  I could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm
> thinking we would have 3 developers at a time who might be using the
> system, plus me.  That's a budget of $2500 or less per year per user.
>
> Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack DeLand
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[rinch]

Jack,

My SME's work directly in unstructured
FrameMaker 9. We all work on the same set of files in a shared directory
on our corporate internet. I have a well-defined set of templates, along
with a well-defined set of Corporate Branding Standards and Grammar Standards.
I work closely with the SMEs. I help the SMEs set up the project, train
the SMEs in how to use the FrameMaker templates, edit their work to standards,
and guide the process from start through final approvals to publishing.
My deliverable is always PDF ready to print on standard 8 1/2 x 11 paper.
The PDF is posted on our internet page and/or shipped with product on a
Manuals CD.  INFICON is ISO9001:2008 Registered. I am audited regularly.

There are 250 people at my location.
We have 15 copies of FrameMaker that rotate through many different SMEs,
depending on project activity. My Information Systems (IS) department manages
the FrameMaker licenses and installations, IS set up the shared directory,
and IS backs up the shared directory nightly. We've been doing this for
many years. Regular SMEs have become very proficient with FrameMaker. New
SMEs adapt to FrameMaker very quickly. We all have Win7 MSOffice Professional.
The SMEs use MSWord for many of their project documentation activities.
However, they prefer using FM for manuals and other customer-facing documents.

I don't use a CMS. All project related
files are kept in a shared directory. I use Bruce Foster's Archive plugin
to keep everything neat and tidy (and to archive the files to a secure
directory when the project is published.) In the past couple of years I
have looked closely at structured authoring, XML, DITA with a CMS. To me,
this approach is expensive while providing little added value and is therefore
difficult to justify. I agree that just a CMS may be helpful. But, even
just a decent CMS alone is hard to justify given its cost. Our current
methodology works so well for us that I need to see real value-added improvement
to justify the cost of changing. I've not seen them, yet.

My SMEs use FrameMaker 9, a digital
camera (to JPG), and a screen capture program (FullShot or Snagit to PNG).
It used to be that I was the only one to have Photoshop and Illustrator
to edit the JPG and PNG files. But, many of the SMEs have obtained these
programs because they watched what I could do with them, and they want
to use them for their other projects as well (e.g., Engineering Proposals).

Don't be afraid of having your SMEs
use FrameMaker for authoring. As long as you have well-defined templates
backed up by corporate standards, you'll find that your SMEs will not have
any issues with working in FrameMaker. 

Thanks!
Richard

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All,

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into
our publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be
able to edit text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep
FrameMaker as the publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be
in order, but the company is aghast at the thought of spending more than
10K a year on "word processing".  I basically need functionality
something like Author-it that ties into Frame.  I could do single-sourcing
with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm thinking we would have 3 developers
at a time who might be using the system, plus me.  That's a budget
of $2500 or less per year per user.

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?  

Thanks,

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Ideally, we would have a system that keeps chunks of info that I could let 
others access (with versioning), then I would output the chunks into Frame 
files and/or RoboHelp. 

- Original Message -
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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:11:21 PM 
Subject: RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$? 


IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just word processing - I'd be 
inclined to just keep them on Word and have them submit docs to you. Or go to 
something wiki-like (& cheap) like Confluence. 


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All, 

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine. I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing". I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame. I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5). I'm thinking we would have 3 
developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me. That's a budget of 
$2500 or less per year per user. 

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here? 

Thanks, 

Jack DeLand 

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All, 

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine. I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing". I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame. I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5). I'm thinking we would have 3 
developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me. That's a budget of 
$2500 or less per year per user. 

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[Baruch Brodersen]

Have a look at Subversion. It's both robust and free.

http://tortoisesvn.net/
http://www.visualsvn.com/server/
http://svn.spears.at/

HTH,

Baruch


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> All,
>
> I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our
> publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to
> edit text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker
> as the publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the
> company is aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word
> processing".  I basically need functionality something like Author-it that
> ties into Frame.  I could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm
> thinking we would have 3 developers at a time who might be using the
> system, plus me.  That's a budget of $2500 or less per year per user.
>
> Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?
>
> Thanks,
>
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FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

[Jeff Coatsworth]

IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just word processing - I'd be 
inclined to just keep them on Word and have them submit docs to you. Or go to 
something wiki-like (& cheap) like Confluence.


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All,

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing".  I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame.  I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm thinking we would have 
3 developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me.  That's a budget 
of $2500 or less per year per user.

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?

Thanks,

Jack DeLand
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[Writer]

I don't really know anything about this product, but Jeff's comment made me 
think of it: http://www.thirtysix.net/smartdocs/default.aspx


>Nadine


>>
>> From: Jeff Coatsworth 
>>To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
>>Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:11:21 PM
>>Subject: RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?
>> 
>>
>> 
>>IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just 
word processing - I'd be inclined to just keep them on Word and have them 
submit 
docs to you. Or go to something wiki-like (& cheap) like 
Confluence.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
jackdel...@comcast.net
>>Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:58 
PM
>>To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: FM + CMS + SMEs 
w/o $$$?
>>
>>
>>All,
>>
>>I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input 
directly into our publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers 
would be able to edit text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep 
FrameMaker as the publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, 
but the company is aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on 
"word processing".  I basically need functionality something like Author-it 
that ties into Frame.  I could do single-sourcing with RH (we have 
TCS3.5).  I'm thinking we would have 3 developers at a time who might be 
using the system, plus me.  That's a budget of $2500 or less per year per 
user.
>>
>>Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?  
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jack DeLand
>>
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[Writer]

I don't really know anything about this product, but Jeff's comment made me 
think of it: http://www.thirtysix.net/smartdocs/default.aspx


>Nadine


>>
>> From: Jeff Coatsworth 
>>To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>>Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:11:21 PM
>>Subject: RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?
>> 
>>
>> 
>>IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just 
word processing - I'd be inclined to just keep them on Word and have them 
submit 
docs to you. Or go to something wiki-like (& cheap) like 
Confluence.
>>
>>
>>
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of jackdeland at 
comcast.net
>>Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:58 
PM
>>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: FM + CMS + SMEs 
w/o $$$?
>>
>>
>>All,
>>
>>I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input 
directly into our publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers 
would be able to edit text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep 
FrameMaker as the publishing engine.? I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, 
but the company is aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on 
"word processing".? I basically need functionality something like Author-it 
that ties into Frame.? I could do single-sourcing with RH (we have 
TCS3.5).? I'm thinking we would have 3 developers at a time who might be 
using the system, plus me.? That's a budget of $2500 or less per year per 
user.
>>
>>Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?? 
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jack DeLand
>>
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Re: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

[Baruch Brodersen]

Have a look at Subversion. It's both robust and free.

http://tortoisesvn.net/
http://www.visualsvn.com/server/
http://svn.spears.at/

HTH,

Baruch


On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

> All,
>
> I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our
> publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to
> edit text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker
> as the publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the
> company is aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word
> processing".  I basically need functionality something like Author-it that
> ties into Frame.  I could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm
> thinking we would have 3 developers at a time who might be using the
> system, plus me.  That's a budget of $2500 or less per year per user.
>
> Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack DeLand
>
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RE: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

[Jeff Coatsworth]

IMHO FM's got an awful steep learning curve for just word processing - I'd be 
inclined to just keep them on Word and have them submit docs to you. Or go to 
something wiki-like (& cheap) like Confluence.


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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

All,

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine.  I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing".  I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame.  I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5).  I'm thinking we would have 
3 developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me.  That's a budget 
of $2500 or less per year per user.

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here?

Thanks,

Jack DeLand
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FM + CMS + SMEs w/o $$$?

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All, 

I have been tasked with finding a way to allow SME input directly into our 
publishing workflow. That is, the developers and managers would be able to edit 
text and add graphics to our source files. I want to keep FrameMaker as the 
publishing engine. I'm thinking a CMS would be in order, but the company is 
aghast at the thought of spending more than 10K a year on "word processing". I 
basically need functionality something like Author-it that ties into Frame. I 
could do single-sourcing with RH (we have TCS3.5). I'm thinking we would have 3 
developers at a time who might be using the system, plus me. That's a budget of 
$2500 or less per year per user. 

Can anyone point me toward some current resources here? 

Thanks, 

Jack DeLand 
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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[John Sgammato]

Well that's certainly good news!
As you know, 2581 modules is quite a lot. Certainly too many to assess
individually, so that table helps a lot. 
I have used it, and tried a couple of the modules, most recently about
18 months ago, but I ran into trouble with finishing the job; I could
successfully import a hundred procedures or so, but at the time I could
not match the new db entries into useful nodes for Support (IIRC it
could only make one very limited content type). When I realized that I
would have to tag them all individually, I put it to the back burner
rather than work though the issues.
I guess there has been a lot of development in that time. I hope to get
back to it soon, unless...

Yves (and Jeremy) is right that DITA would be a natural way to go for
this project. And if I move the DITA project to the front burner, then
the Drupal side of the project will be even more advanced, or even
solved by the time I have DITA under control.

(Very sincere apologies to my good friend Art for hijacking his
WordPress thread!)
john


-Original Message-
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:18 PM
To: FrameUsers List
Cc: John Sgammato
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:13:36 -0500, "Jeremy H. Griffith" 
 wrote:

>In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for "import HTML files", 
>you get 279986 hits.  The module above is just the first one.  If you 
>set the filter to "Modules", you have only 2581 to look through...  
>

And if you want a nice set of tables showing the major choices and their
features, go to the Wiki page at:
  http://groups.drupal.org/node/21338

There are modules that go to/from WordPress, too, via CSV, and import
WordPress Extended RSS:
  http://drupal.org/project/wordpress_import

I love Drupal.  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[John Sgammato]

I have long thought that DITA was in my future, but it always seemed to be too 
risky for a lone writer with little time for R&D work. 

It looks like the tools are arriving to enable me to do what I envision.

It?s good to be a part of a group with similar interests!

john





From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 2:25 AM
To: John Sgammato; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)





On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM, John Sgammato  
wrote:

That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
version, not a WordPress version.
Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!




Hi John

Hmmm, FrameMaker + HTML + Drupal... this sounds like a great opportunity for 
using DITA. I wrote the first version of the content for our (Drupal) website 
in DITA (using FrameMaker + DITA-FMx), and then just published the ditamap as 
XHTML, using the DITA Open Toolkit. Each DITA topic corresponds to a page on 
our website. The only missing link back then (2007) was between Drupal and 
DITA: I had to copy/paste the HTML over in Drupal. Meanwhile, some clever 
Drupal developers have also become interested in DITA, for example Kristof Van 
Tomme of Pronovix. He has already developed some great DITA+Drupal stuff:

http://www.pronovix.com/category/all/dita

Cheers


-- 
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[Chris Despopoulos]

Can somebody point toward the CSV format that Drupal and other WIKIs expect?  
Is that actually documented somewhere?  Or am I just missing the point?

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RE: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[John Sgammato]

Well that's certainly good news!
As you know, 2581 modules is quite a lot. Certainly too many to assess
individually, so that table helps a lot. 
I have used it, and tried a couple of the modules, most recently about
18 months ago, but I ran into trouble with finishing the job; I could
successfully import a hundred procedures or so, but at the time I could
not match the new db entries into useful nodes for Support (IIRC it
could only make one very limited content type). When I realized that I
would have to tag them all individually, I put it to the back burner
rather than work though the issues.
I guess there has been a lot of development in that time. I hope to get
back to it soon, unless...
 
Yves (and Jeremy) is right that DITA would be a natural way to go for
this project. And if I move the DITA project to the front burner, then
the Drupal side of the project will be even more advanced, or even
solved by the time I have DITA under control.

(Very sincere apologies to my good friend Art for hijacking his
WordPress thread!)
john
 

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:18 PM
To: FrameUsers List
Cc: John Sgammato
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:13:36 -0500, "Jeremy H. Griffith" 
 wrote:

>In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for "import HTML files", 
>you get 279986 hits.  The module above is just the first one.  If you 
>set the filter to "Modules", you have only 2581 to look through...  
>

And if you want a nice set of tables showing the major choices and their
features, go to the Wiki page at:
  http://groups.drupal.org/node/21338

There are modules that go to/from WordPress, too, via CSV, and import
WordPress Extended RSS:
  http://drupal.org/project/wordpress_import

I love Drupal.  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/
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RE: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[John Sgammato]

I have long thought that DITA was in my future, but it always seemed to be too 
risky for a lone writer with little time for R&D work. 

It looks like the tools are arriving to enable me to do what I envision.

It’s good to be a part of a group with similar interests!

john

 

 

From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 2:25 AM
To: John Sgammato; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

 

 

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM, John Sgammato  wrote:

That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
version, not a WordPress version.
Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!

 


Hi John

Hmmm, FrameMaker + HTML + Drupal... this sounds like a great opportunity for 
using DITA. I wrote the first version of the content for our (Drupal) website 
in DITA (using FrameMaker + DITA-FMx), and then just published the ditamap as 
XHTML, using the DITA Open Toolkit. Each DITA topic corresponds to a page on 
our website. The only missing link back then (2007) was between Drupal and 
DITA: I had to copy/paste the HTML over in Drupal. Meanwhile, some clever 
Drupal developers have also become interested in DITA, for example Kristof Van 
Tomme of Pronovix. He has already developed some great DITA+Drupal stuff:

http://www.pronovix.com/category/all/dita

Cheers


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www.scripto.nu

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[Yves Barbion]

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM, John Sgammato wrote:

> That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a
> Drupal version, not a WordPress version.
> Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual
> HTML procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would
> have my grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a
> Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!
>
>
>
Hi John

Hmmm, FrameMaker + HTML + Drupal... this sounds like a great opportunity for
using DITA. I wrote the first version of the content for our (Drupal)
website in DITA (using FrameMaker + DITA-FMx), and then just published the
ditamap as XHTML, using the DITA Open Toolkit. Each DITA topic corresponds
to a page on our website. The only missing link back then (2007) was between
Drupal and DITA: I had to copy/paste the HTML over in Drupal. Meanwhile,
some clever Drupal developers have also become interested in DITA, for
example Kristof Van Tomme of Pronovix. He has already developed some great
DITA+Drupal stuff:

http://www.pronovix.com/category/all/dita

Cheers


-- 
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[Yves Barbion]

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM, John Sgammato wrote:

> That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a
> Drupal version, not a WordPress version.
> Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual
> HTML procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would
> have my grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a
> Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!
>
>
>
Hi John

Hmmm, FrameMaker + HTML + Drupal... this sounds like a great opportunity for
using DITA. I wrote the first version of the content for our (Drupal)
website in DITA (using FrameMaker + DITA-FMx), and then just published the
ditamap as XHTML, using the DITA Open Toolkit. Each DITA topic corresponds
to a page on our website. The only missing link back then (2007) was between
Drupal and DITA: I had to copy/paste the HTML over in Drupal. Meanwhile,
some clever Drupal developers have also become interested in DITA, for
example Kristof Van Tomme of Pronovix. He has already developed some great
DITA+Drupal stuff:

http://www.pronovix.com/category/all/dita

Cheers


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www.scripto.nu
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[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:57:51 -0400, "John Sgammato" 
 wrote:

>That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, 
>but I would need a Drupal version, not a WordPress 
>version.

Harking back to your original question, about CMS use,
there's this Drupal module, which I'm looking at for 
an entirely different purpose, but which is made for 
CMS support:
  http://drupal.org/project/cmis

And you might look at the CMIS standard itself:
  http://www.aiim.org/community/blogs/expert/CMIS-A-Standard-Whose-Time-has-Come

Then there's the 4601 hits for "content management"
in Modules; skim down that list for more ideas of
what's already available:
  
http://drupal.org/search/apachesolr_multisitesearch/content%20management?filters=ss_meta_type%3Amodule

One of the companies involved in the Drupal CMIS 
mosule is Alfresco, worth a look at too:
  http://www.alfresco.com/products/networks/community/
Free for non-commercial use only.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:13:36 -0500, "Jeremy H. Griffith" 
 wrote:

>In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for
>"import HTML files", you get 279986 hits.  The
>module above is just the first one.  If you set
>the filter to "Modules", you have only 2581 to
>look through...  

And if you want a nice set of tables showing the
major choices and their features, go to the Wiki 
page at:
  http://groups.drupal.org/node/21338

There are modules that go to/from WordPress, too,
via CSV, and import WordPress Extended RSS:
  http://drupal.org/project/wordpress_import

I love Drupal.  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:57:51 -0400, "John Sgammato" 
 wrote:

>That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, 
>but I would need a Drupal version, not a WordPress 
>version.
>
>Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book 
>as 300 individual HTML procedures 

Sure, no problem.  In about ten seconds. 

>and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I 
>would have my grail - all my official released procedures 
>could get pumped into a Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned 
>by our Support team!

Easy one.  There's a Drupal module that does what
you want:
  http://drupal.org/project/import_html

In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for
"import HTML files", you get 279986 hits.  The
module above is just the first one.  If you set
the filter to "Modules", you have only 2581 to
look through...  

For DITA folks, Dick Johnson has published his
infocenter on Drupal at:
  http://www.ditainfo.info
And Don Day Himself is working on "DITA for Drupal":
  
http://pronovix.com/documentation-dita-open-source-cms-drupal-presentation-cmsdita-n-america-baltimore

Of course, if you use DITA source, DITA2Go does the
same fast, thorough job that Mif2Go does... and it
is free, available at:
  http://dita2go.com
which is itself a Drupal site.  ;-)

Enjoy!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:57:51 -0400, "John Sgammato" 
 wrote:

>That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, 
>but I would need a Drupal version, not a WordPress 
>version.

Harking back to your original question, about CMS use,
there's this Drupal module, which I'm looking at for 
an entirely different purpose, but which is made for 
CMS support:
  http://drupal.org/project/cmis

And you might look at the CMIS standard itself:
  http://www.aiim.org/community/blogs/expert/CMIS-A-Standard-Whose-Time-has-Come

Then there's the 4601 hits for "content management"
in Modules; skim down that list for more ideas of
what's already available:
  
http://drupal.org/search/apachesolr_multisitesearch/content%20management?filters=ss_meta_type%3Amodule

One of the companies involved in the Drupal CMIS 
mosule is Alfresco, worth a look at too:
  http://www.alfresco.com/products/networks/community/
Free for non-commercial use only.

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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:13:36 -0500, "Jeremy H. Griffith" 
 wrote:

>In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for
>"import HTML files", you get 279986 hits.  The
>module above is just the first one.  If you set
>the filter to "Modules", you have only 2581 to
>look through...  

And if you want a nice set of tables showing the
major choices and their features, go to the Wiki 
page at:
  http://groups.drupal.org/node/21338

There are modules that go to/from WordPress, too,
via CSV, and import WordPress Extended RSS:
  http://drupal.org/project/wordpress_import

I love Drupal.  ;-)

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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:57:51 -0400, "John Sgammato" 
 wrote:

>That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, 
>but I would need a Drupal version, not a WordPress 
>version.
>
>Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book 
>as 300 individual HTML procedures 

Sure, no problem.  In about ten seconds. 

>and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I 
>would have my grail - all my official released procedures 
>could get pumped into a Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned 
>by our Support team!

Easy one.  There's a Drupal module that does what
you want:
  http://drupal.org/project/import_html

In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for
"import HTML files", you get 279986 hits.  The
module above is just the first one.  If you set
the filter to "Modules", you have only 2581 to
look through...  

For DITA folks, Dick Johnson has published his
infocenter on Drupal at:
  http://www.ditainfo.info
And Don Day Himself is working on "DITA for Drupal":
  
http://pronovix.com/documentation-dita-open-source-cms-drupal-presentation-cmsdita-n-america-baltimore

Of course, if you use DITA source, DITA2Go does the
same fast, thorough job that Mif2Go does... and it
is free, available at:
  http://dita2go.com
which is itself a Drupal site.  ;-)

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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Art Campbell]

Exactly!

It's another target for single sourcing out of Frame.
And once all the info is in the CMS or the database... you're free to
set up the web site / knowledge base / online doc site as you want

Art

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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM, John Sgammato  
wrote:
> That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
> version, not a WordPress version.
> Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
> procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
> grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
> Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:49 PM
> To: Jeremy H. Griffith
> Cc: FrameUsers List
> Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)
>
> Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files into 
> clean HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file into a 
> format that can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV format for the 
> lowest common denominator DB format...
>
> Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file at a 
> time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a little 
> wearing...
>
> Art Campbell
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> redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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>
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>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith  
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>>>
>>>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>>>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
>>
>> That doesn't make sense to me. ?Why have Mif2Go make RTF, with very
>> different requirements than HTML, and then use something else to make
>> the clean HTML/XHTML you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?
>>
>> I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which produces horrible
>> HTML. ?But Word is what our RTF is tuned for...
>>
>>>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>>>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
>>>types and other bits and pieces on import.
>>
>> WordPress doesn't import HTML? ?CSV is a very old and limited
>> format... ?Does WordPress use it internally, or does it use its own
>> XML format, as I'd expect?
>>
>> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>> ? ?http://www.omsys.com/
>>
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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[John Sgammato]

That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
version, not a WordPress version.
Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:49 PM
To: Jeremy H. Griffith
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files into clean 
HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file into a format that 
can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV format for the lowest common 
denominator DB format...

Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file at a 
time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a little 
wearing...

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith  wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  
> wrote:
>
>>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>>
>>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
>
> That doesn't make sense to me. ?Why have Mif2Go make RTF, with very 
> different requirements than HTML, and then use something else to make 
> the clean HTML/XHTML you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?
>
> I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which produces horrible 
> HTML. ?But Word is what our RTF is tuned for...
>
>>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post 
>>types and other bits and pieces on import.
>
> WordPress doesn't import HTML? ?CSV is a very old and limited 
> format... ?Does WordPress use it internally, or does it use its own 
> XML format, as I'd expect?
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> ? ?http://www.omsys.com/
>
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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Art Campbell]

Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files
into clean HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file
into a format that can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV
format for the lowest common denominator DB format...

Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file
at a time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a
little wearing...

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith  wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  
> wrote:
>
>>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>>
>>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
>
> That doesn't make sense to me. ?Why have Mif2Go make
> RTF, with very different requirements than HTML, and
> then use something else to make the clean HTML/XHTML
> you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?
>
> I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which
> produces horrible HTML. ?But Word is what our RTF is
> tuned for...
>
>>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
>>types and other bits and pieces on import.
>
> WordPress doesn't import HTML? ?CSV is a very old and
> limited format... ?Does WordPress use it internally,
> or does it use its own XML format, as I'd expect?
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> ? ?http://www.omsys.com/
>

Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  
wrote:

>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>
>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.

That doesn't make sense to me.  Why have Mif2Go make
RTF, with very different requirements than HTML, and
then use something else to make the clean HTML/XHTML
you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?

I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which
produces horrible HTML.  But Word is what our RTF is
tuned for...

>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
>types and other bits and pieces on import.

WordPress doesn't import HTML?  CSV is a very old and 
limited format...  Does WordPress use it internally,
or does it use its own XML format, as I'd expect?

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Art Campbell]

Exactly!

It's another target for single sourcing out of Frame.
And once all the info is in the CMS or the database... you're free to
set up the web site / knowledge base / online doc site as you want

Art

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               art.campb...@gmail.com
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM, John Sgammato  wrote:
> That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
> version, not a WordPress version.
> Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
> procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
> grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
> Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:49 PM
> To: Jeremy H. Griffith
> Cc: FrameUsers List
> Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)
>
> Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files into 
> clean HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file into a 
> format that can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV format for the 
> lowest common denominator DB format...
>
> Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file at a 
> time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a little 
> wearing...
>
> Art Campbell
>                art.campb...@gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
> redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>                                                       No disclaimers apply.
>                                                                DoD 358
>
> I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith  wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>>>
>>>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>>>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
>>
>> That doesn't make sense to me.  Why have Mif2Go make RTF, with very
>> different requirements than HTML, and then use something else to make
>> the clean HTML/XHTML you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?
>>
>> I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which produces horrible
>> HTML.  But Word is what our RTF is tuned for...
>>
>>>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>>>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
>>>types and other bits and pieces on import.
>>
>> WordPress doesn't import HTML?  CSV is a very old and limited
>> format...  Does WordPress use it internally, or does it use its own
>> XML format, as I'd expect?
>>
>> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>>    http://www.omsys.com/
>>
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RE: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[John Sgammato]

That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, but I would need a Drupal 
version, not a WordPress version.
Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book as 300 individual HTML 
procedures and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I would have my 
grail - all my official released procedures could get pumped into a 
Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned by our Support team!

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:49 PM
To: Jeremy H. Griffith
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files into clean 
HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file into a format that 
can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV format for the lowest common 
denominator DB format...

Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file at a 
time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a little 
wearing...

Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith  wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  
> wrote:
>
>>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>>
>>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
>
> That doesn't make sense to me.  Why have Mif2Go make RTF, with very 
> different requirements than HTML, and then use something else to make 
> the clean HTML/XHTML you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?
>
> I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which produces horrible 
> HTML.  But Word is what our RTF is tuned for...
>
>>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post 
>>types and other bits and pieces on import.
>
> WordPress doesn't import HTML?  CSV is a very old and limited 
> format...  Does WordPress use it internally, or does it use its own 
> XML format, as I'd expect?
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>    http://www.omsys.com/
>
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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Art Campbell]

Jeremy, the tool I'm playing with converts a directory of RTF files
into clean HTML, but then performs a second step of parsing each file
into a format that can be pulled into a SQL database -- hence the CSV
format for the lowest common denominator DB format...

Yes, you can cut and paste HTML into Wordpress pretty easily. One file
at a time. You have several hundred or thousand to do, it could be a
little wearing...

Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith  wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  
> wrote:
>
>>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>>
>>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
>
> That doesn't make sense to me.  Why have Mif2Go make
> RTF, with very different requirements than HTML, and
> then use something else to make the clean HTML/XHTML
> you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?
>
> I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which
> produces horrible HTML.  But Word is what our RTF is
> tuned for...
>
>>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
>>types and other bits and pieces on import.
>
> WordPress doesn't import HTML?  CSV is a very old and
> limited format...  Does WordPress use it internally,
> or does it use its own XML format, as I'd expect?
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>    http://www.omsys.com/
>
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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell  wrote:

>The workflow seems to be (unstructured):
>
>1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
>2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.

That doesn't make sense to me.  Why have Mif2Go make
RTF, with very different requirements than HTML, and
then use something else to make the clean HTML/XHTML
you can have Mif2Go make in the first place?

I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which
produces horrible HTML.  But Word is what our RTF is
tuned for...

>3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
>4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
>types and other bits and pieces on import.

WordPress doesn't import HTML?  CSV is a very old and 
limited format...  Does WordPress use it internally,
or does it use its own XML format, as I'd expect?

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/
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[Rick Quatro]

Hi Art,

How are you doing step 2: Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
Thanks.

Rick

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585-659-8267
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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:23 AM
To: Scott Prentice; FrameUsers List
Cc: Jeremy Griffith; Jeremy H. Griffith
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

Just as an update -- this certainly seems to be possible; I'm doing
some testing.

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
types and other bits and pieces on import.

It may be possible to streamline this if you can twiddle MIF2Go or a
script to do a post-processing step and generate a CSV, but I don't
know if that's possible. Yet.

And I suspect it'd be pretty easy to go from DITA or another structure
to CSV, but I haven't played with that at all.

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358

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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Art Campbell]

Just as an update -- this certainly seems to be possible; I'm doing
some testing.

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
types and other bits and pieces on import.

It may be possible to streamline this if you can twiddle MIF2Go or a
script to do a post-processing step and generate a CSV, but I don't
know if that's possible. Yet.

And I suspect it'd be pretty easy to go from DITA or another structure
to CSV, but I haven't played with that at all.

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358

I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA.



On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> I know some people that are going from DITA into WP (and Drupal). Here's a
> link to a recent Silicon Valley DITA Interest Group meeting where they
> presented their work ..
>
> ? http://svdig.ditamap.com/posts/267
>
> They author documentation in DITA (potentially FM-authored) and publish into
> Wordpress. The resulting pages can be commented and searched in the WP
> environment. Future updates to the documentation and be uploaded into WP,
> replacing the previous versions, but maintaining the associated comments.
>
> Using WP as the CMS host implies (to me) that you're trying to round trip
> (store data in WP, download/checkout to FM for authoring, then upload back
> to WP) .. which in theory could work if HTML is your source format. You'd
> just need the code bits to do the "checkin" and "checkout" .. but it
> certainly could work.
>
> The WP->DITA->FM path that I've explored basically just requires a fairly
> simple PHP script that reads the WP database directly and writes out a file
> that is the entire database dump, but wraps up each "page" in DITA topics
> with titles and other markup properly DITA-ified. The resulting single DITA
> file can be opened in Frame which applies all of the proper formatting, then
> saved directly to a PDF.
>
> In theory something similar could be used to round-trip content, but since
> the standard internal markup in WP is HTML, you'd have to be sure to author
> the DITA content using a very limited set of the specification. The nice
> thing about using DITA as the intermediate markup is that you have lots of
> tools for authoring and publishing available.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
>
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
>> single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
>> done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
>> documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.
>>
>> How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
>> your own stuff, or something else?
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
>> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Art...
>>>
>>> I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
>>> that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.
>>>
>>> ...scott
>>>
>>>
>>> Art Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
>>>> several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
>>>> I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
>>>> similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame >
>>>> WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Art
>>>>
>>>> Art Campbell
>>>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?art.campbell at gmail.com
>>>> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>>>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers
>>>> apply.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

RE: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Art,

How are you doing step 2: Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
Thanks.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:23 AM
To: Scott Prentice; FrameUsers List
Cc: Jeremy Griffith; Jeremy H. Griffith
Subject: Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

Just as an update -- this certainly seems to be possible; I'm doing
some testing.

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
types and other bits and pieces on import.

It may be possible to streamline this if you can twiddle MIF2Go or a
script to do a post-processing step and generate a CSV, but I don't
know if that's possible. Yet.

And I suspect it'd be pretty easy to go from DITA or another structure
to CSV, but I haven't played with that at all.

Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
                                                               DoD 358

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Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Art Campbell]

Just as an update -- this certainly seems to be possible; I'm doing
some testing.

The workflow seems to be (unstructured):

1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF.
2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML.
3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file.
4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post
types and other bits and pieces on import.

It may be possible to streamline this if you can twiddle MIF2Go or a
script to do a post-processing step and generate a CSV, but I don't
know if that's possible. Yet.

And I suspect it'd be pretty easy to go from DITA or another structure
to CSV, but I haven't played with that at all.

Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
                                                               DoD 358

I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA.



On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> I know some people that are going from DITA into WP (and Drupal). Here's a
> link to a recent Silicon Valley DITA Interest Group meeting where they
> presented their work ..
>
>   http://svdig.ditamap.com/posts/267
>
> They author documentation in DITA (potentially FM-authored) and publish into
> Wordpress. The resulting pages can be commented and searched in the WP
> environment. Future updates to the documentation and be uploaded into WP,
> replacing the previous versions, but maintaining the associated comments.
>
> Using WP as the CMS host implies (to me) that you're trying to round trip
> (store data in WP, download/checkout to FM for authoring, then upload back
> to WP) .. which in theory could work if HTML is your source format. You'd
> just need the code bits to do the "checkin" and "checkout" .. but it
> certainly could work.
>
> The WP->DITA->FM path that I've explored basically just requires a fairly
> simple PHP script that reads the WP database directly and writes out a file
> that is the entire database dump, but wraps up each "page" in DITA topics
> with titles and other markup properly DITA-ified. The resulting single DITA
> file can be opened in Frame which applies all of the proper formatting, then
> saved directly to a PDF.
>
> In theory something similar could be used to round-trip content, but since
> the standard internal markup in WP is HTML, you'd have to be sure to author
> the DITA content using a very limited set of the specification. The nice
> thing about using DITA as the intermediate markup is that you have lots of
> tools for authoring and publishing available.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
>
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
>> single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
>> done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
>> documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.
>>
>> How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
>> your own stuff, or something else?
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>>               art.campb...@gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>                                                      No disclaimers apply.
>>                                                               DoD 358
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Art...
>>>
>>> I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
>>> that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.
>>>
>>> ...scott
>>>
>>>
>>> Art Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
>>>> several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
>>>> I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
>>>> similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame >
>>>> WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Art
>>>>
>>>> Art Campbell
>>>>              art.campb...@gmail.com
>>>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>>>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>>>                                                     No disclaimers
>>>> apply.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Art Campbell]

I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.

How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
your own stuff, or something else?

Art

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358



On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> Hi Art...
>
> I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
> that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
>> several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
>> I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
>> similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame >
>> WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
>> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
>>
>
>

Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Scott Prentice]

I know some people that are going from DITA into WP (and Drupal). Here's 
a link to a recent Silicon Valley DITA Interest Group meeting where they 
presented their work ..


   http://svdig.ditamap.com/posts/267

They author documentation in DITA (potentially FM-authored) and publish 
into Wordpress. The resulting pages can be commented and searched in the 
WP environment. Future updates to the documentation and be uploaded into 
WP, replacing the previous versions, but maintaining the associated 
comments.


Using WP as the CMS host implies (to me) that you're trying to round 
trip (store data in WP, download/checkout to FM for authoring, then 
upload back to WP) .. which in theory could work if HTML is your source 
format. You'd just need the code bits to do the "checkin" and "checkout" 
.. but it certainly could work.


The WP->DITA->FM path that I've explored basically just requires a 
fairly simple PHP script that reads the WP database directly and writes 
out a file that is the entire database dump, but wraps up each "page" in 
DITA topics with titles and other markup properly DITA-ified. The 
resulting single DITA file can be opened in Frame which applies all of 
the proper formatting, then saved directly to a PDF.


In theory something similar could be used to round-trip content, but 
since the standard internal markup in WP is HTML, you'd have to be sure 
to author the DITA content using a very limited set of the 
specification. The nice thing about using DITA as the intermediate 
markup is that you have lots of tools for authoring and publishing 
available.


Cheers,

...scott



Art Campbell wrote:

I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.

How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
your own stuff, or something else?

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
  

Hi Art...

I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.

...scott


Art Campbell wrote:


Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame >
WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
  art.campb...@gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.

  



  

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[Scott Prentice]

I know some people that are going from DITA into WP (and Drupal). Here's 
a link to a recent Silicon Valley DITA Interest Group meeting where they 
presented their work ..

http://svdig.ditamap.com/posts/267

They author documentation in DITA (potentially FM-authored) and publish 
into Wordpress. The resulting pages can be commented and searched in the 
WP environment. Future updates to the documentation and be uploaded into 
WP, replacing the previous versions, but maintaining the associated 
comments.

Using WP as the CMS host implies (to me) that you're trying to round 
trip (store data in WP, download/checkout to FM for authoring, then 
upload back to WP) .. which in theory could work if HTML is your source 
format. You'd just need the code bits to do the "checkin" and "checkout" 
.. but it certainly could work.

The WP->DITA->FM path that I've explored basically just requires a 
fairly simple PHP script that reads the WP database directly and writes 
out a file that is the entire database dump, but wraps up each "page" in 
DITA topics with titles and other markup properly DITA-ified. The 
resulting single DITA file can be opened in Frame which applies all of 
the proper formatting, then saved directly to a PDF.

In theory something similar could be used to round-trip content, but 
since the standard internal markup in WP is HTML, you'd have to be sure 
to author the DITA content using a very limited set of the 
specification. The nice thing about using DITA as the intermediate 
markup is that you have lots of tools for authoring and publishing 
available.

Cheers,

...scott



Art Campbell wrote:
> I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
> single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
> done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
> documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.
>
> How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
> your own stuff, or something else?
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>art.campbell at gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>   No disclaimers apply.
>DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
>   
>> Hi Art...
>>
>> I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
>> that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>> Art Campbell wrote:
>> 
>>> Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
>>> several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
>>> I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
>>> similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame >
>>> WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Art
>>>
>>> Art Campbell
>>>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>>  No disclaimers apply.
>>>
>>>   
>> 
>
>   

Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)

[Art Campbell]

I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to
single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've
done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a
documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host.

How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or
your own stuff, or something else?

Art

Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
                                                               DoD 358



On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> Hi Art...
>
> I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening
> that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for
>> several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results.
>> I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something
>> similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame >
>> WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>>               art.campb...@gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>                                                      No disclaimers apply.
>>
>
>
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