RE: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
Valerie, Perhaps, then, your XML equivalent is not representative of what you are actually seeing, because that example you provided does put the text inside the desired element. If the text is actually not being wrapped, something is wrong with your conversion table. Note that if you are generating your TOC based on elements and those elements have context labels, the context labels appear in parenthesis for the TOC formats. For example, a Heading element with a context label of 1 would generate the Heading(1)TOC format in the TOC. For some reason, when you reference these formats in a conversion table, you need to escape the parenthesis with backslashes. I don't know why this is. Something like: Wrap this object or objects In this element P:Heading\(1\)TOC TOC1 P:Heading\(2\)TOC TOC2 It seems like you may have already gotten that part, so if so, please disregard. One other item of note is that there may not be any good reason to preserve the inherent hierarchy of a TOC in the structure, unless some post process depends on it. Otherwise, because the TOC is autogenerated, there is no value to the added complexity of structural hierarchy. In other words, you might be able to get away with somthing like: TOC | | - TOC1 | | - TOC2 | | - TOC2 | | - TOC3 | | - TOC2 | | - TOC1 etc. In any case, you should be able to structure a TOC with a valid structure in the end. I've done it many times. All this does beg the question, though, of why you want to do this. I used to do it out of a sense of purity, but finally realized that it had no value to me. If you are exporting XML, I'd think that any post-process would do its own contents and indexing. If all else fails and you really need this, send me a sample TOC and your conversion table. I should be able to find your problem without too much trouble. Russ Original Message Subject: Re: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker From: Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, February 08, 2008 1:36 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hi Russ, Thanks for replying! The problem I see is that in the Structure View window, with the text of the Heading lies outside of a tagged element; i.e., in FM it appears with the red vertical ellipsis and seems to be outside the valid structure. If I can relax about the look of the Structure View, please let me know, and I'll use this Structured TOC as is. If there is something else I should do in the EDD, please advise. Val On Feb 8, 2008 5:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valerie, I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help. However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because based on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you ended up with this: Heading /Level/TOC hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext .the text of the Heading in the .fm document /Heading /Level/TOC Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs. Rudd Message: 21 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800 From: Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to impose structure on the generated TOC. As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in the Structure View that FM imposes a hypertext element in the TOC that captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure; i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was absent in the EDD. I understood that because no hypertext marker was in the EDD, the hypertext pointer ID in file.fm /hypertext was not recognized when I imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called hypertext. When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as follows: Heading /Level/TOC hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext .the text of the Heading in the .fm document /Heading /Level/TOC What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer? Thanks in advance, -- Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
Hi Russ, Thanks for replying! The problem I see is that in the Structure View window, with the text of the Heading lies outside of a tagged element; i.e., in FM it appears with the red vertical ellipsis and seems to be outside the valid structure. If I can relax about the look of the Structure View, please let me know, and I'll use this Structured TOC as is. If there is something else I should do in the EDD, please advise. Val On Feb 8, 2008 5:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valerie, I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help. However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because based on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you ended up with this: Heading /Level/TOC hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext .the text of the Heading in the .fm document /Heading /Level/TOC Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs. Rudd Message: 21 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800 From: Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to impose structure on the generated TOC. As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in the Structure View that FM imposes a hypertext element in the TOC that captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure; i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was absent in the EDD. I understood that because no hypertext marker was in the EDD, the hypertext pointer ID in file.fm /hypertext was not recognized when I imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called hypertext. When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as follows: Heading /Level/TOC hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext .the text of the Heading in the .fm document /Heading /Level/TOC What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer? Thanks in advance, -- Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
Valerie, I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help. However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because based on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you ended up with this: Heading /Level/TOC hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext .the text of the Heading in the .fm document /Heading /Level/TOC Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs. Rudd Message: 21 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800 From: Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to impose structure on the generated TOC. As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in the Structure View that FM imposes a hypertext element in the TOC that captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure; i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was absent in the EDD. I understood that because no hypertext marker was in the EDD, the hypertext pointer ID in file.fm /hypertext was not recognized when I imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called hypertext. When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as follows: Heading /Level/TOC hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext .the text of the Heading in the .fm document /Heading /Level/TOC What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer? Thanks in advance, -- Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
Valerie, I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help. However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because based on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you ended up with this: the link to the source in the .fm document .the text of the Heading in the .fm document Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs. Rudd Message: 21 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800 From: "Valerie Lipow" <valli...@gmail.com> Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <808ccaab0802071127g667a1dcev388563a8d4463fd2 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to impose structure on the generated TOC. As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in the Structure View that FM imposes a element in the TOC that captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure; i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was absent in the EDD. I understood that because no marker was in the EDD, the pointer ID in file.fm was not recognized when I imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called . When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as follows: the link to the source in the .fm document .the text of the Heading in the .fm document What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer? Thanks in advance, -- Valerie Lipow vallipow at gmail.com
Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
Hi Russ, Thanks for replying! The problem I see is that in the Structure View window, with the text of the Heading lies outside of a tagged element; i.e., in FM it appears with the red vertical ellipsis and seems to be outside the valid structure. If I can relax about the look of the Structure View, please let me know, and I'll use this Structured TOC as is. If there is something else I should do in the EDD, please advise. Val On Feb 8, 2008 5:04 AM, wrote: > Valerie, > > I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help. > However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because > based on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you > ended up with this: > > > > the link to the source in the .fm document > .the text of the Heading in the .fm document > > > > Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and > looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs. > > Rudd > > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800 > From: "Valerie Lipow" > Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker > - Need Help > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Message-ID: > <808ccaab0802071127g667a1dcev388563a8d4463fd2 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC > and > Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure > the > TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to > impose structure on the generated TOC. > > As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in > the Structure View that FM imposes a element in the TOC that > captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the > TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the > structure; > i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the > structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker > was > absent in the EDD. > > I understood that because no marker was in the EDD, the > pointer ID in file.fm was not recognized when I > imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called > . > > When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as > follows: > > > the link to the source in the .fm document > .the text of the Heading in the .fm document > > > What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer? > > Thanks in advance, > -- > Valerie Lipow > vallipow at gmail.com > > > > -- Valerie Lipow vallipow at gmail.com
Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker
Valerie, Perhaps, then, your XML equivalent is not representative of what you are actually seeing, because that example you provided does put the text inside the desired element. If the text is actually not being wrapped, something is wrong with your conversion table. Note that if you are generating your TOC based on elements and those elements have context labels, the context labels appear in parenthesis for the TOC formats. For example, a Heading element with a context label of "1" would generate the Heading(1)TOC format in the TOC. For some reason, when you reference these formats in a conversion table, you need to escape the parenthesis with backslashes. I don't know why this is. Something like: Wrap this object or objects In this element P:Heading\(1\)TOC TOC1 P:Heading\(2\)TOC TOC2 It seems like you may have already gotten that part, so if so, please disregard. One other item of note is that there may not be any good reason to preserve the inherent hierarchy of a TOC in the structure, unless some post process depends on it. Otherwise, because the TOC is autogenerated, there is no value to the added complexity of structural hierarchy. In other words, you might be able to get away with somthing like: TOC | | - TOC1 | | - TOC2 | | - TOC2 | | - TOC3 | | - TOC2 | | - TOC1 etc. In any case, you should be able to structure a TOC with a valid structure in the end. I've done it many times. All this does beg the question, though, of why you want to do this. I used to do it out of a sense of purity, but finally realized that it had no value to me. If you are exporting XML, I'd think that any post-process would do its own contents and indexing. If all else fails and you really need this, send me a sample TOC and your conversion table. I should be able to find your problem without too much trouble. Russ Original Message Subject: Re: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker From: "Valerie Lipow" <valli...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, February 08, 2008 1:36 pm To: russ at weststreetconsulting.com Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Hi Russ, Thanks for replying! The problem I see is that in the Structure View window, with the text of the Heading lies outside of a tagged element; i.e., in FM it appears with the red vertical ellipsis and seems to be outside the valid structure. If I can relax about the look of the Structure View, please let me know, and I'll use this Structured TOC as is. If there is something else I should do in the EDD, please advise. Val On Feb 8, 2008 5:04 AM, wrote: Valerie, I have used lots of structured TOCs before, so I'd like to try to help. However, I'm having a little trouble understanding your question, because based on your description, your outcome seems correct to me. You said you ended up with this: the link to the source in the .fm document .the text of the Heading in the .fm document Isn't that what you want? This should produce an operational TOC entry and looks like what I have produced in the past when using structured TOCs. Rudd Message: 21 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800 From: "Valerie Lipow" <valli...@gmail.com> Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <808ccaab0802071127g667a1dcev388563a8d4463fd2 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to impose structure on the generated TOC. As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in the Structure View that FM imposes a element in the TOC that captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure; i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was absent in the EDD. I understood that because no marker was in the EDD, the pointer ID in file.fm was not recognized when I imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called . When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as follows: the link to the source in the .fm document .the text of the Heading in the .fm document What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer? Thanks in advance, -- Valerie Lipow vallipow at gmail.com -- Valerie Lipow vallipow at gmail.com
Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help
I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to impose structure on the generated TOC. As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in the Structure View that FM imposes a hypertext element in the TOC that captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure; i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was absent in the EDD. I understood that because no hypertext marker was in the EDD, the hypertext pointer ID in file.fm /hypertext was not recognized when I imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called hypertext. When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as follows: Heading /Level/TOC hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext .the text of the Heading in the .fm document /Heading /Level/TOC What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer? Thanks in advance, -- Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help
I'm not sure that there is anything to be gained by structuring a generated file in a FM book. Of course, bookmarks and Search eliminate the need for these links in an electronic PDF, and hyperlinks of any kind are irrelevant in a printed document. However, when I generated a PDF of the original book, with structured chapters and generated TOC and Index, the PDF links were broken from the TOC and Index. (In addition, the inter-chapter cross-references were broken, while the intra-chapter links were intact. But that's a different message.) My client was unhappy, and I was surprised, that when FM generated the PDF (with bookmarks and tagging), the TOC links didn't work. So, I'm looking to see if there is a way to impose structure easily on generated files. Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:43 am Subject: RE: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help I am under the impression that most FrameMaker books built from structured components have unstructured generated files. What is there to be gained by making the generated files structured? Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to impose structure on the generated TOC. As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in the Structure View that FM imposes a hypertext element in the TOC that captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure; i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was absent in the EDD. I understood that because no hypertext marker was in the EDD, the hypertext pointer ID in file.fm /hypertext was not recognized when I imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called hypertext. When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as follows: Heading /Level/TOC hypertext the link to the source in the .fm document /hypertext .the text of the Heading in the .fm document /Heading /Level/TOC What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer? Thanks in advance, -- Valerie Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help
I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to impose structure on the generated TOC. As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in the Structure View that FM imposes a element in the TOC that captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure; i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was absent in the EDD. I understood that because no marker was in the EDD, the pointer ID in file.fm was not recognized when I imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called . When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as follows: the link to the source in the .fm document .the text of the Heading in the .fm document What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer? Thanks in advance, -- Valerie Lipow vallipow at gmail.com
Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help
I'm not sure that there is anything to be gained by structuring a generated file in a FM book. Of course, bookmarks and Search eliminate the need for these links in an electronic PDF, and hyperlinks of any kind are irrelevant in a printed document. However, when I generated a PDF of the original book, with structured chapters and generated TOC and Index, the PDF links were broken from the TOC and Index. (In addition, the inter-chapter cross-references were broken, while the intra-chapter links were intact. But that's a different message.) My client was unhappy, and I was surprised, that when FM generated the PDF (with bookmarks and tagging), the TOC links didn't work. So, I'm looking to see if there is a way to impose structure easily on generated files. Valerie Lipow vallipow at gmail.com -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder <docu...@hotmail.com> To: vallipow at aol.com Sent: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:43 am Subject: RE: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help I am under the impression that most FrameMaker books built from structured components have unstructured generated files. What is there to be gained by making the generated files structured? > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:27:27 -0800 > From: vallipow at gmail.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Creating a working generated TOC using Structured Framemaker - Need Help > > I have inherited a book containing multiple documents and generated TOC and > Index. The documents have been structured. However, I want to structure the > TOC and Index as well. I have created a Conversion Table and an EDD to > impose structure on the generated TOC. > > As I was experimenting with this type of EDD on a generated file, I saw in > the Structure View that FM imposes a element in the TOC that > captured the .fm link to the Heading in the document that was added to the > TOC design. However, the text of the Heading appears outside the structure; > i.e., the pointer to the Heading and the Heading text are separated in the > structure, and FM created the marker to the pointer, although the marker was > absent in the EDD. > > I understood that because no marker was in the EDD, the > pointer ID in file.fm was not recognized when I > imposed the EDD on the document. So, I added a marker in the EDD called > . > > When I reimposed the EDD on the generated TOC, the content appears as > follows: > > > the link to the source in the .fm document > .the text of the Heading in the .fm document > > > What should the EDD look like to capture the Heading and the pointer? > > Thanks in advance, > -- > Valerie Lipow > vallipow at gmail.com > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
