Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
On 13/07/2012 7:12 PM, Alison Craig wrote: > > The problem is Appendix B. No matter what I do, I can?t get the > *Pagination* option *Delete Empty Pages* to stick. > > > Whenever I *Update* the file it always reverts to *Make Page Count Even*. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > Alison, I've opened your files and looked at the pagination settings. All your files are set to Double-sided, first page Right. And all your files coincidentally contain an even number of pages except for App. B and C (last file in the book), which have only one page of content each. You don't see any blank pages in any of the files other than App. B because they already have an even number of pages of content, or (in the case of the one-page App. C) no file following. But if App. B starts on page 17 and App. C starts on page 19, FM has no choice but to make the page count of App. B even by adding a blank page 18 when you update the book. FM changes the dialog box setting accordingly. If you don't want the back of App. B's single page to be blank, you have to set App. C to start on Next Available, not Right. The setting "Delete Empty Pages" would be more easily understood if it were called "Delete Unnecessary Empty Pages." The purpose of the setting is to handle the situation where the addition of content has first increased the number of pages required to hold the flow, and deletion of content has subsequently reduced the number of pages required. When you add content, FM automatically adds pages, but when the content shrinks, FM does *not* automatically delete pages left empty. Hence there's the option when saving to delete such (unnecessary) blank pages. But as in your App. B, sometimes blank pages are *necessary* to meet the requirement of double-sided and/or first page Right. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig)
Have you tried setting it at the book level and NOT declared a first page start for the file? Many times I see this issue when files are set to delete empty pages but have a RIGHT start page. Set the start to next available. On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Alison Craig wrote: > Orly: > > I'll try your first suggestion, but I've already tried the second one. > Repeatedly - with no success. > > Alison -- Bill Swallow Content Solutions Manager GlobalScript, a division of LinguaLinx http://globalscript.com http://lingualinx.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120716/e6ac4778/attachment.html>
Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
On 13/07/2012 7:12 PM, Alison Craig wrote: The problem is Appendix B. No matter what I do, I can’t get the *Pagination* option *Delete Empty Pages* to stick. Whenever I *Update* the file it always reverts to *Make Page Count Even*. Does anyone have any suggestions? Alison, I've opened your files and looked at the pagination settings. All your files are set to Double-sided, first page Right. And all your files coincidentally contain an even number of pages except for App. B and C (last file in the book), which have only one page of content each. You don't see any blank pages in any of the files other than App. B because they already have an even number of pages of content, or (in the case of the one-page App. C) no file following. But if App. B starts on page 17 and App. C starts on page 19, FM has no choice but to make the page count of App. B even by adding a blank page 18 when you update the book. FM changes the dialog box setting accordingly. If you don't want the back of App. B's single page to be blank, you have to set App. C to start on Next Available, not Right. The setting "Delete Empty Pages" would be more easily understood if it were called "Delete Unnecessary Empty Pages." The purpose of the setting is to handle the situation where the addition of content has first increased the number of pages required to hold the flow, and deletion of content has subsequently reduced the number of pages required. When you add content, FM automatically adds pages, but when the content shrinks, FM does *not* automatically delete pages left empty. Hence there's the option when saving to delete such (unnecessary) blank pages. But as in your App. B, sometimes blank pages are *necessary* to meet the requirement of double-sided and/or first page Right. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig)
Yes, I set this at the book level with 1st side page set to Next Available. Chapter 2, and Appendices A, B and C all have the same settings and they all behave except App B. (App C is also a single page.) Even though I use Conditional Text, there is less than one page of text in each file even with all Conditions visible, so I can't see that Conditions would cause this. And the end of flow tag is visible on the correct page. A MIF wash didn't help - and neither did rebuilding the file based on App C (which works fine). I've tried everything - now I need to release this stupid thing so I'll have to fudge and work on a solution later (I use version control, so I'll go back and see if I can find a version that worked then update the content). Thanks for everyone's help. If I have an "aha!" moment that I think is worth passing on, I'll let everyone know. Alison From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommd...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:15 AM To: Alison Craig Cc: Orly Zimmerman; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig) Have you tried setting it at the book level and NOT declared a first page start for the file? Many times I see this issue when files are set to delete empty pages but have a RIGHT start page. Set the start to next available. On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Alison Craig mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>> wrote: Orly: I'll try your first suggestion, but I've already tried the second one. Repeatedly - with no success. Alison -- Bill Swallow Content Solutions Manager GlobalScript, a division of LinguaLinx http://globalscript.com http://lingualinx.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig)
Yes, I set this at the book level with 1st side page set to Next Available. Chapter 2, and Appendices A, B and C all have the same settings and they all behave except App B. (App C is also a single page.) Even though I use Conditional Text, there is less than one page of text in each file even with all Conditions visible, so I can't see that Conditions would cause this. And the end of flow tag is visible on the correct page. A MIF wash didn't help - and neither did rebuilding the file based on App C (which works fine). I've tried everything - now I need to release this stupid thing so I'll have to fudge and work on a solution later (I use version control, so I'll go back and see if I can find a version that worked then update the content). Thanks for everyone's help. If I have an "aha!" moment that I think is worth passing on, I'll let everyone know. Alison From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommd...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:15 AM To: Alison Craig Cc: Orly Zimmerman; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig) Have you tried setting it at the book level and NOT declared a first page start for the file? Many times I see this issue when files are set to delete empty pages but have a RIGHT start page. Set the start to next available. On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Alison Craig mailto:Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com>> wrote: Orly: I'll try your first suggestion, but I've already tried the second one. Repeatedly - with no success. Alison -- Bill Swallow Content Solutions Manager GlobalScript, a division of LinguaLinx http://globalscript.com http://lingualinx.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120716/283b92c4/attachment.html>
Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig)
Have you tried setting it at the book level and NOT declared a first page start for the file? Many times I see this issue when files are set to delete empty pages but have a RIGHT start page. Set the start to next available. On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Alison Craig wrote: > Orly: > > I'll try your first suggestion, but I've already tried the second one. > Repeatedly - with no success. > > Alison -- Bill Swallow Content Solutions Manager GlobalScript, a division of LinguaLinx http://globalscript.com http://lingualinx.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig)
Orly: I'll try your first suggestion, but I've already tried the second one. Repeatedly - with no success. Alison -Original Message- From: Orly Zimmerman [mailto:or...@marvell.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:20 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Alison Craig Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig) HI Alison, One thing I find that usually helps, apart from everything everyone else suggested (i.e. the pagination issues) is to first save the file and then run the Format> Page Layout> Apply Master Pages to the file with the extra pages. This usually solves the problem, especially if I got the extra pages after hiding some conditions. Usually, Save, deletes the extra pages, but not when special Master pages are used. Lastly, if nothing else works, then why don't you just use the Special>Delete Pages option. Just make sure that there is really nothing on the empty pages. Verify this by viewing the end-of-file marker on the last page that you're *not* deleting. Hope this helps, Orly. -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:12:11 -0700 From: Alison Craig To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" Subject: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Message-ID: <17474827509158478ee10bc6b977a3e30b99611...@exchange.ultrasonix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FM 9 Version: 9.0p255 Unstructured OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit The attached booklet is giving me fits (I've emptied the files of content, but left "placeholders" so the layout is identical to the booklet with content). The problem is Appendix B. No matter what I do, I can't get the Pagination option Delete Empty Pages to stick. I've tried at both the book and file level. I've used Special > Delete Pages. I've imported Page Layouts and Document Properties from a file that does work. But it never sticks. I even tried recreating the file by copying Appendix C over Appendix B, then copying in new content and re-adding the file to the book. That didn't fix it either. Whenever I Update the file it always reverts to Make Page Count Even. Does anyone have any suggestions? Alison Alison Craig Technical Documentation Lead 604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com/> [cid:image001.gif@01CD6110.CB18BEE0] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2038 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.gif> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SonixGPS NB-VA Booklet.7z Type: application/octet-stream Size: 71492 bytes Desc: SonixGPS NB-VA Booklet.7z URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.obj> -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig)
Orly: I'll try your first suggestion, but I've already tried the second one. Repeatedly - with no success. Alison -Original Message- From: Orly Zimmerman [mailto:or...@marvell.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:20 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: Alison Craig Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig) HI Alison, One thing I find that usually helps, apart from everything everyone else suggested (i.e. the pagination issues) is to first save the file and then run the Format> Page Layout> Apply Master Pages to the file with the extra pages. This usually solves the problem, especially if I got the extra pages after hiding some conditions. Usually, Save, deletes the extra pages, but not when special Master pages are used. Lastly, if nothing else works, then why don't you just use the Special>Delete Pages option. Just make sure that there is really nothing on the empty pages. Verify this by viewing the end-of-file marker on the last page that you're *not* deleting. Hope this helps, Orly. -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:12:11 -0700 From: Alison Craig To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" Subject: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Message-ID: <17474827509158478EE10BC6B977A3E30B99611133 at exchange.ultrasonix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FM 9 Version: 9.0p255 Unstructured OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit The attached booklet is giving me fits (I've emptied the files of content, but left "placeholders" so the layout is identical to the booklet with content). The problem is Appendix B. No matter what I do, I can't get the Pagination option Delete Empty Pages to stick. I've tried at both the book and file level. I've used Special > Delete Pages. I've imported Page Layouts and Document Properties from a file that does work. But it never sticks. I even tried recreating the file by copying Appendix C over Appendix B, then copying in new content and re-adding the file to the book. That didn't fix it either. Whenever I Update the file it always reverts to Make Page Count Even. Does anyone have any suggestions? Alison Alison Craig Technical Documentation Lead 604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com/> [cid:image001.gif at 01CD6110.CB18BEE0] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2038 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.gif> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SonixGPS NB-VA Booklet.7z Type: application/octet-stream Size: 71492 bytes Desc: SonixGPS NB-VA Booklet.7z URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.obj> --
RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
No I haven't. That never even occurred to me - although it should have as it seems to be a common piece of advice that solves many headaches. I'll try as soon as I open that book (after making backups, of course). Alison From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 6:12 PM To: gillian.fl...@nexenta.com; Alison Craig; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Oftentimes, you don't even need to find and delete the gibberish in the MIF manually. Simply saving the file to MIF and then converting the MIF back to FM binary (the so-called "MIF wash") will often take care of a problem of this type thanks to the MIF import filter, which is designed to ignore anything in the MIF file that the given version of FrameMaker doesn't fully understand (such as features implemented in a newer version of Frame). Have you already done a MIF wash, Alison? -Fred From: gillian.fl...@nexenta.com<mailto:gillian.fl...@nexenta.com> To: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com<mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>; docu...@hotmail.com<mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>; rob...@lauriston.com<mailto:rob...@lauriston.com>; framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:50:01 + Allison, When I have a Frame file that is doing inexplicable things, I save it as a MIF file and look at the code there. I tend to see an entry that scrolls across 5 lines and contains gibberish. After I delete the tag and its contents, everything goes back to normal. -Gillian From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]<mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]> On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:45 PM To: Fred Ridder; rob...@lauriston.com<mailto:rob...@lauriston.com>; framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Fred: I've done all that and Next Available seems to (occasionally) reset itself as well. I tried resetting things at the file level only when everything else I could think of had failed to solve my problem (desperate times call for desperate measures, and all that). Everything works fine in all the other files, it's just this one that's decided to misbehave (as Rick Quatro helped me with the initial setup it's not surprising that it used to work perfectly - before I did something to screw it up). I think I'll try again on Monday. Maybe I'll try recreating it from scratch. Again. Good thing the file is tiny. Thanks, Alison From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:12 PM To: Alison Craig; rob...@lauriston.com<mailto:rob...@lauriston.com>; framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick By way of clarification, you need to look for the "Next Available" setting in the file *following* the one that appears to have the pagination ptroblem. If the following chapter is set to start on a right (recto, odd-numbered page) page rather than Next Available, it will force an empty left (verso) page in the *preceding* chapter if that chapter ends on a right (recto) page. Also noet that you can ony see (and set) the "Next Available" option when accessing the pagination properties from the book file. If you open a file independently, you will only see the Left and Right options, because "Next Available" depends on having something preceed the file in question; you can only set the behavior that will apply if you print that one file by itself. -Fred Ridder > From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com<mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com> > To: rob...@lauriston.com<mailto:rob...@lauriston.com>; > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:28:39 -0700 > Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as > well and it changes to Read from File. > > Alison > > > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com> > [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com]> > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Cc: Alison Craig > Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty
Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
No I haven't. That never even occurred to me - although it should have as it seems to be a common piece of advice that solves many headaches. I'll try as soon as I open that book (after making backups, of course). Alison From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 6:12 PM To: gillian.flato at nexenta.com; Alison Craig; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Oftentimes, you don't even need to find and delete the gibberish in the MIF manually. Simply saving the file to MIF and then converting the MIF back to FM binary (the so-called "MIF wash") will often take care of a problem of this type thanks to the MIF import filter, which is designed to ignore anything in the MIF file that the given version of FrameMaker doesn't fully understand (such as features implemented in a newer version of Frame). Have you already done a MIF wash, Alison? -Fred From: Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com<mailto:gillian.fl...@nexenta.com> To: Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com<mailto:Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com>; docudoc at hotmail.com<mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com>; robert at lauriston.com<mailto:robert at lauriston.com>; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:50:01 + Allison, When I have a Frame file that is doing inexplicable things, I save it as a MIF file and look at the code there. I tend to see an entry that scrolls across 5 lines and contains gibberish. After I delete the tag and its contents, everything goes back to normal. -Gillian From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]<mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]> On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:45 PM To: Fred Ridder; robert at lauriston.com<mailto:robert at lauriston.com>; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Fred: I've done all that and Next Available seems to (occasionally) reset itself as well. I tried resetting things at the file level only when everything else I could think of had failed to solve my problem (desperate times call for desperate measures, and all that). Everything works fine in all the other files, it's just this one that's decided to misbehave (as Rick Quatro helped me with the initial setup it's not surprising that it used to work perfectly - before I did something to screw it up). I think I'll try again on Monday. Maybe I'll try recreating it from scratch. Again. Good thing the file is tiny. Thanks, Alison From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:12 PM To: Alison Craig; robert at lauriston.com<mailto:robert at lauriston.com>; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick By way of clarification, you need to look for the "Next Available" setting in the file *following* the one that appears to have the pagination ptroblem. If the following chapter is set to start on a right (recto, odd-numbered page) page rather than Next Available, it will force an empty left (verso) page in the *preceding* chapter if that chapter ends on a right (recto) page. Also noet that you can ony see (and set) the "Next Available" option when accessing the pagination properties from the book file. If you open a file independently, you will only see the Left and Right options, because "Next Available" depends on having something preceed the file in question; you can only set the behavior that will apply if you print that one file by itself. -Fred Ridder > From: Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com<mailto:Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com> > To: robert at lauriston.com<mailto:robert at lauriston.com>; framers at > lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:28:39 -0700 > Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as > well and it changes to Read from File. > > Alison > > > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com> > [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:robert.lauriston at > gmail.com]> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:fr
Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig)
HI Alison, One thing I find that usually helps, apart from everything everyone else suggested (i.e. the pagination issues) is to first save the file and then run the Format> Page Layout> Apply Master Pages to the file with the extra pages. This usually solves the problem, especially if I got the extra pages after hiding some conditions. Usually, Save, deletes the extra pages, but not when special Master pages are used. Lastly, if nothing else works, then why don't you just use the Special>Delete Pages option. Just make sure that there is really nothing on the empty pages. Verify this by viewing the end-of-file marker on the last page that you're *not* deleting. Hope this helps, Orly. -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:12:11 -0700 From: Alison Craig To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" Subject: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Message-ID: <17474827509158478EE10BC6B977A3E30B99611133 at exchange.ultrasonix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FM 9 Version: 9.0p255 Unstructured OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit The attached booklet is giving me fits (I've emptied the files of content, but left "placeholders" so the layout is identical to the booklet with content). The problem is Appendix B. No matter what I do, I can't get the Pagination option Delete Empty Pages to stick. I've tried at both the book and file level. I've used Special > Delete Pages. I've imported Page Layouts and Document Properties from a file that does work. But it never sticks. I even tried recreating the file by copying Appendix C over Appendix B, then copying in new content and re-adding the file to the book. That didn't fix it either. Whenever I Update the file it always reverts to Make Page Count Even. Does anyone have any suggestions? Alison Alison Craig Technical Documentation Lead 604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com/> [cid:image001.gif at 01CD6110.CB18BEE0] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2038 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.gif> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SonixGPS NB-VA Booklet.7z Type: application/octet-stream Size: 71492 bytes Desc: SonixGPS NB-VA Booklet.7z URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.obj> --
RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick (Alison Craig)
HI Alison, One thing I find that usually helps, apart from everything everyone else suggested (i.e. the pagination issues) is to first save the file and then run the Format> Page Layout> Apply Master Pages to the file with the extra pages. This usually solves the problem, especially if I got the extra pages after hiding some conditions. Usually, Save, deletes the extra pages, but not when special Master pages are used. Lastly, if nothing else works, then why don't you just use the Special>Delete Pages option. Just make sure that there is really nothing on the empty pages. Verify this by viewing the end-of-file marker on the last page that you're *not* deleting. Hope this helps, Orly. -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:12:11 -0700 From: Alison Craig To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" Subject: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Message-ID: <17474827509158478ee10bc6b977a3e30b99611...@exchange.ultrasonix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FM 9 Version: 9.0p255 Unstructured OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit The attached booklet is giving me fits (I've emptied the files of content, but left "placeholders" so the layout is identical to the booklet with content). The problem is Appendix B. No matter what I do, I can't get the Pagination option Delete Empty Pages to stick. I've tried at both the book and file level. I've used Special > Delete Pages. I've imported Page Layouts and Document Properties from a file that does work. But it never sticks. I even tried recreating the file by copying Appendix C over Appendix B, then copying in new content and re-adding the file to the book. That didn't fix it either. Whenever I Update the file it always reverts to Make Page Count Even. Does anyone have any suggestions? Alison Alison Craig Technical Documentation Lead 604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com/> [cid:image001.gif@01CD6110.CB18BEE0] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2038 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.gif> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SonixGPS NB-VA Booklet.7z Type: application/octet-stream Size: 71492 bytes Desc: SonixGPS NB-VA Booklet.7z URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment-0001.obj> -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
Allison, When I have a Frame file that is doing inexplicable things, I save it as a MIF file and look at the code there. I tend to see an entry that scrolls across 5 lines and contains gibberish. After I delete the tag and its contents, everything goes back to normal. -Gillian From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:45 PM To: Fred Ridder; robert at lauriston.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Fred: I've done all that and Next Available seems to (occasionally) reset itself as well. I tried resetting things at the file level only when everything else I could think of had failed to solve my problem (desperate times call for desperate measures, and all that). Everything works fine in all the other files, it's just this one that's decided to misbehave (as Rick Quatro helped me with the initial setup it's not surprising that it used to work perfectly - before I did something to screw it up). I think I'll try again on Monday. Maybe I'll try recreating it from scratch. Again. Good thing the file is tiny. Thanks, Alison From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:12 PM To: Alison Craig; robert at lauriston.com<mailto:robert at lauriston.com>; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick By way of clarification, you need to look for the "Next Available" setting in the file *following* the one that appears to have the pagination ptroblem. If the following chapter is set to start on a right (recto, odd-numbered page) page rather than Next Available, it will force an empty left (verso) page in the *preceding* chapter if that chapter ends on a right (recto) page. Also noet that you can ony see (and set) the "Next Available" option when accessing the pagination properties from the book file. If you open a file independently, you will only see the Left and Right options, because "Next Available" depends on having something preceed the file in question; you can only set the behavior that will apply if you print that one file by itself. -Fred Ridder > From: Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com<mailto:Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com> > To: robert at lauriston.com<mailto:robert at lauriston.com>; framers at > lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:28:39 -0700 > Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as > well and it changes to Read from File. > > Alison > > > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com> > [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:robert.lauriston at > gmail.com]> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> > Cc: Alison Craig > Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > In the Pagination dialog, is 1st Page Side set to Next Available? > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as DocuDoc at > hotmail.com<mailto:DocuDoc at hotmail.com>. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at > lists.frameusers.com>. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-unsubscribe at > lists.frameusers.com> > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com<mailto:listadmin > at frameusers.com>. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120714/07945648/attachment.html>
Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
Oftentimes, you don't even need to find and delete the gibberish in the MIF manually. Simply saving the file to MIF and then converting the MIF back to FM binary (the so-called "MIF wash") will often take care of a problem of this type thanks to the MIF import filter, which is designed to ignore anything in the MIF file that the given version of FrameMaker doesn't fully understand (such as features implemented in a newer version of Frame). Have you already done a MIF wash, Alison? -Fred From: gillian.fl...@nexenta.com To: Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com; docudoc at hotmail.com; robert at lauriston.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:50:01 + Allison, When I have a Frame file that is doing inexplicable things, I save it as a MIF file and look at the code there. I tend to see an entry that scrolls across 5 lines and contains gibberish. After I delete the tag and its contents, everything goes back to normal. -Gillian From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:45 PM To: Fred Ridder; robert at lauriston.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Fred: I?ve done all that and Next Available seems to (occasionally) reset itself as well. I tried resetting things at the file level only when everything else I could think of had failed to solve my problem (desperate times call for desperate measures, and all that). Everything works fine in all the other files, it?s just this one that?s decided to misbehave (as Rick Quatro helped me with the initial setup it?s not surprising that it used to work perfectly ? before I did something to screw it up). I think I?ll try again on Monday. Maybe I?ll try recreating it from scratch. Again. Good thing the file is tiny. Thanks, Alison From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:12 PM To: Alison Craig; robert at lauriston.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick By way of clarification, you need to look for the "Next Available" setting in the file *following* the one that appears to have the pagination ptroblem. If the following chapter is set to start on a right (recto, odd-numbered page) page rather than Next Available, it will force an empty left (verso) page in the *preceding* chapter if that chapter ends on a right (recto) page. Also noet that you can ony see (and set) the "Next Available" option when accessing the pagination properties from the book file. If you open a file independently, you will only see the Left and Right options, because "Next Available" depends on having something preceed the file in question; you can only set the behavior that will apply if you print that one file by itself. -Fred Ridder > From: Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com > To: robert at lauriston.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:28:39 -0700 > Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as > well and it changes to Read from File. > > Alison > > > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Cc: Alison Craig > Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > In the Pagination dialog, is 1st Page Side set to Next Available? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/0569e649/attachment.html>
RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
Allison, When I have a Frame file that is doing inexplicable things, I save it as a MIF file and look at the code there. I tend to see an entry that scrolls across 5 lines and contains gibberish. After I delete the tag and its contents, everything goes back to normal. -Gillian From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:45 PM To: Fred Ridder; rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Fred: I've done all that and Next Available seems to (occasionally) reset itself as well. I tried resetting things at the file level only when everything else I could think of had failed to solve my problem (desperate times call for desperate measures, and all that). Everything works fine in all the other files, it's just this one that's decided to misbehave (as Rick Quatro helped me with the initial setup it's not surprising that it used to work perfectly - before I did something to screw it up). I think I'll try again on Monday. Maybe I'll try recreating it from scratch. Again. Good thing the file is tiny. Thanks, Alison From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:12 PM To: Alison Craig; rob...@lauriston.com<mailto:rob...@lauriston.com>; framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick By way of clarification, you need to look for the "Next Available" setting in the file *following* the one that appears to have the pagination ptroblem. If the following chapter is set to start on a right (recto, odd-numbered page) page rather than Next Available, it will force an empty left (verso) page in the *preceding* chapter if that chapter ends on a right (recto) page. Also noet that you can ony see (and set) the "Next Available" option when accessing the pagination properties from the book file. If you open a file independently, you will only see the Left and Right options, because "Next Available" depends on having something preceed the file in question; you can only set the behavior that will apply if you print that one file by itself. -Fred Ridder > From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com<mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com> > To: rob...@lauriston.com<mailto:rob...@lauriston.com>; > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:28:39 -0700 > Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as > well and it changes to Read from File. > > Alison > > > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com> > [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com]> > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Cc: Alison Craig > Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > In the Pagination dialog, is 1st Page Side set to Next Available? > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as > docu...@hotmail.com<mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>. > > Send list messages to > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com> > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to > listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com>. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
By way of clarification, you need to look for the "Next Available" setting in the file *following* the one that appears to have the pagination ptroblem. If the following chapter is set to start on a right (recto, odd-numbered page) page rather than Next Available, it will force an empty left (verso) page in the *preceding* chapter if that chapter ends on a right (recto) page. Also noet that you can ony see (and set) the "Next Available" option when accessing the pagination properties from the book file. If you open a file independently, you will only see the Left and Right options, because "Next Available" depends on having something preceed the file in question; you can only set the behavior that will apply if you print that one file by itself. -Fred Ridder > From: Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com > To: robert at lauriston.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:28:39 -0700 > Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as > well and it changes to Read from File. > > Alison > > > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Cc: Alison Craig > Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > In the Pagination dialog, is 1st Page Side set to Next Available? > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d9146490/attachment.html>
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RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
Oftentimes, you don't even need to find and delete the gibberish in the MIF manually. Simply saving the file to MIF and then converting the MIF back to FM binary (the so-called "MIF wash") will often take care of a problem of this type thanks to the MIF import filter, which is designed to ignore anything in the MIF file that the given version of FrameMaker doesn't fully understand (such as features implemented in a newer version of Frame). Have you already done a MIF wash, Alison? -Fred From: gillian.fl...@nexenta.com To: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com; docu...@hotmail.com; rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:50:01 + Allison, When I have a Frame file that is doing inexplicable things, I save it as a MIF file and look at the code there. I tend to see an entry that scrolls across 5 lines and contains gibberish. After I delete the tag and its contents, everything goes back to normal. -Gillian From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:45 PM To: Fred Ridder; rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick Fred: I’ve done all that and Next Available seems to (occasionally) reset itself as well. I tried resetting things at the file level only when everything else I could think of had failed to solve my problem (desperate times call for desperate measures, and all that). Everything works fine in all the other files, it’s just this one that’s decided to misbehave (as Rick Quatro helped me with the initial setup it’s not surprising that it used to work perfectly – before I did something to screw it up). I think I’ll try again on Monday. Maybe I’ll try recreating it from scratch. Again. Good thing the file is tiny. Thanks, Alison From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:12 PM To: Alison Craig; rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick By way of clarification, you need to look for the "Next Available" setting in the file *following* the one that appears to have the pagination ptroblem. If the following chapter is set to start on a right (recto, odd-numbered page) page rather than Next Available, it will force an empty left (verso) page in the *preceding* chapter if that chapter ends on a right (recto) page. Also noet that you can ony see (and set) the "Next Available" option when accessing the pagination properties from the book file. If you open a file independently, you will only see the Left and Right options, because "Next Available" depends on having something preceed the file in question; you can only set the behavior that will apply if you print that one file by itself. -Fred Ridder > From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com > To: rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:28:39 -0700 > Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as > well and it changes to Read from File. > > Alison > > > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Cc: Alison Craig > Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > In the Pagination dialog, is 1st Page Side set to Next Available? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
Fred: I've done all that and Next Available seems to (occasionally) reset itself as well. I tried resetting things at the file level only when everything else I could think of had failed to solve my problem (desperate times call for desperate measures, and all that). Everything works fine in all the other files, it's just this one that's decided to misbehave (as Rick Quatro helped me with the initial setup it's not surprising that it used to work perfectly - before I did something to screw it up). I think I'll try again on Monday. Maybe I'll try recreating it from scratch. Again. Good thing the file is tiny. Thanks, Alison From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:12 PM To: Alison Craig; rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick By way of clarification, you need to look for the "Next Available" setting in the file *following* the one that appears to have the pagination ptroblem. If the following chapter is set to start on a right (recto, odd-numbered page) page rather than Next Available, it will force an empty left (verso) page in the *preceding* chapter if that chapter ends on a right (recto) page. Also noet that you can ony see (and set) the "Next Available" option when accessing the pagination properties from the book file. If you open a file independently, you will only see the Left and Right options, because "Next Available" depends on having something preceed the file in question; you can only set the behavior that will apply if you print that one file by itself. -Fred Ridder > From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com<mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com> > To: rob...@lauriston.com<mailto:rob...@lauriston.com>; > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:28:39 -0700 > Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as > well and it changes to Read from File. > > Alison > > > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com> > [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com]> > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Cc: Alison Craig > Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > In the Pagination dialog, is 1st Page Side set to Next Available? > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as > docu...@hotmail.com<mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>. > > Send list messages to > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com> > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to > listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com>. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Fred: I've done all that and Next Available seems to (occasionally) reset itself as well. I tried resetting things at the file level only when everything else I could think of had failed to solve my problem (desperate times call for desperate measures, and all that). Everything works fine in all the other files, it's just this one that's decided to misbehave (as Rick Quatro helped me with the initial setup it's not surprising that it used to work perfectly - before I did something to screw it up). I think I'll try again on Monday. Maybe I'll try recreating it from scratch. Again. Good thing the file is tiny. Thanks, Alison From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:12 PM To: Alison Craig; robert at lauriston.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick By way of clarification, you need to look for the "Next Available" setting in the file *following* the one that appears to have the pagination ptroblem. If the following chapter is set to start on a right (recto, odd-numbered page) page rather than Next Available, it will force an empty left (verso) page in the *preceding* chapter if that chapter ends on a right (recto) page. Also noet that you can ony see (and set) the "Next Available" option when accessing the pagination properties from the book file. If you open a file independently, you will only see the Left and Right options, because "Next Available" depends on having something preceed the file in question; you can only set the behavior that will apply if you print that one file by itself. -Fred Ridder > From: Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com<mailto:Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com> > To: robert at lauriston.com<mailto:robert at lauriston.com>; framers at > lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:28:39 -0700 > Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as > well and it changes to Read from File. > > Alison > > > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com> > [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:robert.lauriston at > gmail.com]> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> > Cc: Alison Craig > Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > In the Pagination dialog, is 1st Page Side set to Next Available? > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as DocuDoc at > hotmail.com<mailto:DocuDoc at hotmail.com>. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at > lists.frameusers.com>. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-unsubscribe at > lists.frameusers.com> > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com<mailto:listadmin > at frameusers.com>. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/7b7a10cf/attachment.html>
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By way of clarification, you need to look for the "Next Available" setting in the file *following* the one that appears to have the pagination ptroblem. If the following chapter is set to start on a right (recto, odd-numbered page) page rather than Next Available, it will force an empty left (verso) page in the *preceding* chapter if that chapter ends on a right (recto) page. Also noet that you can ony see (and set) the "Next Available" option when accessing the pagination properties from the book file. If you open a file independently, you will only see the Left and Right options, because "Next Available" depends on having something preceed the file in question; you can only set the behavior that will apply if you print that one file by itself. -Fred Ridder > From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com > To: rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:28:39 -0700 > Subject: RE: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as > well and it changes to Read from File. > > Alison > > > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Cc: Alison Craig > Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick > > In the Pagination dialog, is 1st Page Side set to Next Available? > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as well and it changes to Read from File. Alison -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Alison Craig Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick In the Pagination dialog, is 1st Page Side set to Next Available? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I've set it to that (at the book level) but occasionally I lose this info as well and it changes to Read from File. Alison -Original Message- From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: Alison Craig Subject: Re: Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick In the Pagination dialog, is 1st Page Side set to Next Available?
Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
In the Pagination dialog, is 1st Page Side set to Next Available?
Can't Get "Delete Empty Pages" to stick
FM 9 Version: 9.0p255 Unstructured OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit The attached booklet is giving me fits (I've emptied the files of content, but left "placeholders" so the layout is identical to the booklet with content). The problem is Appendix B. No matter what I do, I can't get the Pagination option Delete Empty Pages to stick. I've tried at both the book and file level. I've used Special > Delete Pages. I've imported Page Layouts and Document Properties from a file that does work. But it never sticks. I even tried recreating the file by copying Appendix C over Appendix B, then copying in new content and re-adding the file to the book. That didn't fix it either. Whenever I Update the file it always reverts to Make Page Count Even. Does anyone have any suggestions? Alison Alison Craig Technical Documentation Lead 604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com/> [cid:image001.gif at 01CD6110.CB18BEE0] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2038 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment.gif> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SonixGPS NB-VA Booklet.7z Type: application/octet-stream Size: 71492 bytes Desc: SonixGPS NB-VA Booklet.7z URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120713/d0985270/attachment.obj>
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Yay, the list is back! I've missed you guys. :-) Thanks to Michelle, Brad, and Eric for persevering to fix the problem. For the benefit of the archives, I'll post another reply I sent during the down time, which apparently went to the bit bucket. Kelly McDaniel wrote: > I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to > set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't > include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've > followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy. > > Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by "FrameMaker just > does that." :-) > Is there a Framescript fix? > I'm a well-experienced user, feeling stupid...Kelly. The KB article you cited addresses only one reason for empty pages not deleting (and it's not the most common reason). More than likely, FM won't delete them because it can't while complying with your pagination settings. I assume your FM documents are double sided and in a book. If chapter 1 ends on a right-hand page, but chapter 2 has 1st Page Side set to Right (which is a common way of setting up books), then FM has to add an empty left-hand page to chapter 1 (every page has to have a front and back, so a right-hand page can't follow a right-hand page). HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
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Yay, the list is back! I've missed you guys. :-) Thanks to Michelle, Brad, and Eric for persevering to fix the problem. For the benefit of the archives, I'll post another reply I sent during the down time, which apparently went to the bit bucket. Kelly McDaniel wrote: > I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to > set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't > include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've > followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy. > > Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by "FrameMaker just > does that." :-) > Is there a Framescript fix? > I'm a well-experienced user, feeling stupid...Kelly. The KB article you cited addresses only one reason for empty pages not deleting (and it's not the most common reason). More than likely, FM won't delete them because it can't while complying with your pagination settings. I assume your FM documents are double sided and in a book. If chapter 1 ends on a right-hand page, but chapter 2 has 1st Page Side set to Right (which is a common way of setting up books), then FM has to add an empty left-hand page to chapter 1 (every page has to have a front and back, so a right-hand page can't follow a right-hand page). HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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You don't specifically say so, but I'm guessing your problem files are In the book file. Book file pagination settings always trump component file settings. So if the files are in a book the pagination of any given file is affected by the file following it, in particular the starting page. And that's probably what you're missing. This means that if your Chapter 1 has one page and you set it to Delete empty pages in the book file, but the Chapter 2 file is set to start on a right-hand page, a filler page is likely to be inserted into Chapter 1 so that Chapter 2 can start on a right-hand page. In the book file, I would guess all or most of the files are still set to start on a right-hand page rather than "Any" or "Next Available." Other possibilities are hidden text or text frames and a few other things, but those are less likely than the pagination settings. Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Kelly McDaniel wrote: > I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to > set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't > include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've > followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy. > > Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by "FrameMaker just > does that." :-) > Is there a Framescript fix? > I'm a well-experienced user, feeling stupid...Kelly. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
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Yes, thanks. I have done that many times, thinking "Maybe it'll stick this time." (Silly human.) -Original Message- From: Kristy Nolan [mailto:kristy.no...@wnco.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:01 PM To: Kelly McDaniel; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Delete Empty Pages Hi, Kelly! Have you checked under Format/Page Layout/Pagination? There is a setting there that dictates whether you always have to have the last empty. Been there done tat, and recently. Kristy -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McDaniel Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:48 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Delete Empty Pages I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy. Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by "FrameMaker just does that." :-) Is there a Framescript fix? I'm a well-experienced user, feeling stupid...Kelly. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kristy.nolan at wnco.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kristy.nolan%40wnco. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you.
Delete Empty Pages
Hi, Kelly! Have you checked under Format/Page Layout/Pagination? There is a setting there that dictates whether you always have to have the last empty. Been there done tat, and recently. Kristy -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McDaniel Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:48 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Delete Empty Pages I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy. Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by "FrameMaker just does that." :-) Is there a Framescript fix? I'm a well-experienced user, feeling stupid...Kelly. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kristy.nolan at wnco.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kristy.nolan%40wnco. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you.
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I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy. Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by "FrameMaker just does that." :-) Is there a Framescript fix? I'm a well-experienced user, feeling stupid...Kelly.
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Yes, thanks. I have done that many times, thinking "Maybe it'll stick this time." (Silly human.) -Original Message- From: Kristy Nolan [mailto:kristy.no...@wnco.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:01 PM To: Kelly McDaniel; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Delete Empty Pages Hi, Kelly! Have you checked under Format/Page Layout/Pagination? There is a setting there that dictates whether you always have to have the last empty. Been there done tat, and recently. Kristy -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McDaniel Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:48 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Delete Empty Pages I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy. Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by "FrameMaker just does that." :-) Is there a Framescript fix? I'm a well-experienced user, feeling stupid...Kelly. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kristy.no...@wnco.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kristy.nolan%40wnco. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy. Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by "FrameMaker just does that." :-) Is there a Framescript fix? I'm a well-experienced user, feeling stupid...Kelly. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Hi, Kelly! Have you checked under Format/Page Layout/Pagination? There is a setting there that dictates whether you always have to have the last empty. Been there done tat, and recently. Kristy -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McDaniel Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:48 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Delete Empty Pages I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy. Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by "FrameMaker just does that." :-) Is there a Framescript fix? I'm a well-experienced user, feeling stupid...Kelly. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kristy.no...@wnco.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kristy.nolan%40wnco. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
