Re: [Techshoret] Re: FrameMaker index question
Thanks Shlomo. I tried your idea and it worked. I just want to point out that it seems that making the fonts the same in index entry style and the page number style was not enough. I also had to click Update All to remove the overrides. I assume that is by design but it's a bit confusing. I wish Adobe could figure out how to simplify their interfaces. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 Shlomo Perets wrote: Shmuel, You wrote: When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? If there is no character formatting present in the index, differentiating the page number from the index term, the hypertext marker present in front of the first page number extends its active area on both sides of the marker: to the beginning of the paragraph (including the index term), and to the end of the paragraph or the beginning of the next hypertext marker (when there are two entries). The link defined for the index term is the same as the first entry. Character formatting variations present in the reference page (IX flow) or in the index entries themselves (through the source marker) will interfere with this default behavior and will limit the active area to the page number only. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Techshoret Communicators Forum Serving the Israeli Technical Communicator since 1996 We already have the date! Save Thursday, February 26, 2009 for the THIRD Annual Techshoret Communicators Conference (TCC) - See You There! For updates, course information, helpful links and conference details (when they are available), see: www.techshoret.com Our Sponsors ** WritePoint Ltd./WritePoint Training Center ** Sign up for our BUSINESS COACHING and SINGLE SOURCING seminars See our Course Calendar at www.writepoint.com Need a technical writer? Contact us about our graduates! www.writepoint.com - Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/techshoret/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/techshoret/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:techshoret-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:techshoret-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: techshoret-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[Techshoret] Re: FrameMaker index question
Thanks Shlomo. I tried your idea and it worked. I just want to point out that it seems that making the fonts the same in index entry style and the page number style was not enough. I also had to click Update All to remove the overrides. I assume that is by design but it's a bit confusing. I wish Adobe could figure out how to simplify their interfaces. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 Shlomo Perets wrote: > Shmuel, > > You wrote: > > > When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. > > Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. > > Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? > > If there is no character formatting present in the index, differentiating > the page number from the index term, the hypertext marker present in front > of the first page number extends its active area on both sides of the > marker: to the beginning of the paragraph (including the index term), and > to the end of the paragraph or the beginning of the next hypertext marker > (when there are two entries). The link defined for the index term is the > same as the first entry. > > Character formatting variations present in the reference page (IX flow) or > in the index entries themselves (through the source marker) will interfere > with this default behavior and will limit the active area to the page > number only. > > > Shlomo Perets > > MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker > FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat > TimeSavers/Assistants > > > > > >Techshoret Communicators Forum > Serving the Israeli Technical Communicator since 1996 > > We already have the date! Save Thursday, February 26, 2009 for the THIRD > Annual Techshoret Communicators Conference (TCC) - See You There! > > For updates, course information, helpful links and conference details (when > they are available), see: www.techshoret.com > > Our Sponsors > ** WritePoint Ltd./WritePoint Training Center ** > Sign up for our BUSINESS COACHING and SINGLE SOURCING seminars >See our Course Calendar at www.writepoint.com > Need a technical writer? Contact us about our graduates! >www.writepoint.com > - > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/techshoret/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/techshoret/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > mailto:techshoret-digest at yahoogroups.com > mailto:techshoret-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > techshoret-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
FrameMaker index question
When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker index question
Shmuel, This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because this type of link would only work if the index string is only used once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does the link from the term go? If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is used. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote: When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker index question
Good point. In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an index consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be preferable to have the function name hyperlinked as well. Is there any automatic way of doing this? -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 Art Campbell wrote: Shmuel, This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because this type of link would only work if the index string is only used once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does the link from the term go? If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is used. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote: When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker index question
Shmuel Wolfson wrote: In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an index consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be preferable to have the function name hyperlinked as well. Is there any automatic way of doing this? Yes. Don't make an index, make an alphabetical list instead. If the function names always appear by themselves in heading pgfs: 1) Go to Add List Of Paragraphs (Alphabetical). 2) In the dialog, move the pgf tag that contains the function names to the Include list, make sure Create Hypertext Links is checked, and click Add. If the function names don't appear in headings, you can still get there, albeit with more work, by inserting custom markers and creating a List of Markers (Alphabetical). HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker index question
If you have to deliver it in an Index, no, I don't think there is. If you have the freedom to generate the other kind of front/rear matter list, like a TOC but a List of Functions, that would be both a better solution for your readers and easier to implement. You could try generating a list of functions and then integrating / alphabetizing it into the existing Index. Might be something a framescript could do... Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote: Good point. In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an index consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be preferable to have the function name hyperlinked as well. Is there any automatic way of doing this? -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 Art Campbell wrote: Shmuel, This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because this type of link would only work if the index string is only used once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does the link from the term go? If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is used. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote: When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker index question
Shmuel, You wrote: When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? If there is no character formatting present in the index, differentiating the page number from the index term, the hypertext marker present in front of the first page number extends its active area on both sides of the marker: to the beginning of the paragraph (including the index term), and to the end of the paragraph or the beginning of the next hypertext marker (when there are two entries). The link defined for the index term is the same as the first entry. Character formatting present in the reference page (IX flow) or in the index entries themselves (through the source marker) will interfere with this default behavior and will limit the active area to the page number only. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker index question
Shlomo Perets wrote: If there is no character formatting present in the index, differentiating the page number from the index term, the hypertext marker present in front of the first page number extends its active area on both sides of the marker: to the beginning of the paragraph (including the index term), and to the end of the paragraph or the beginning of the next hypertext marker (when there are two entries). The link defined for the index term is the same as the first entry. Well, I'm reluctant to contradict someone of Shlomo's stature, but index entries don't follow the standard hypertext behavior as he described it. The index term is never part of the active area. I can't fully explain this, but I'm sure the behavior is deliberate. I suspect it derives from this fact: In your index doc, each index entry is a single pgf (e.g., Level1IX), but in the reference page spec, the page number portion is defined as a separate pgf, IndexIX. Behind the curtain, I suspect the active area is initially limited to the IndexIX pgf boundaries, and it retains that limit when IndexIX is merged into the LevelxIX pgf containing the index term. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker index question
Richard, You wrote: Well, I'm reluctant to contradict someone of Shlomo's stature, but index entries don't follow the standard hypertext behavior as he described it. The index term is never part of the active area. Thanks for the compliment. If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation folder), and inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that the index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as single links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers had a different character format, this would have interfered with the link extending to include the term. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker index question
Shlomo Perets wrote: If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation folder), and inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that the index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as single links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers had a different character format, this would have interfered with the link extending to include the term. I should have known Shlomo was correct, and I apologize for doubting him. It took me a while to figure out why my experience was different. I knew there was no char format applied anywhere in my index entries or in the ref page index spec. And before posting, I confirmed that my Level1IX and IndexIX pgf formats had the same Default Font settings. So why does the active area in my indexes not extend to the left of the page number? Um, well ... because the SeparatorsIX pgf has different Default Font settings. And as a consequence, the space before the page number has a different font, terminating the active area. The origin of this SeparatorsIX pgf format are lost in the mists of time. This is the behavior I've seen for as long as I can remember, and I assumed it was just The Way Things Worked. In the immortal words of Emily Littela, Oh. That's different. Never mind! (Sorry, Shlomo!) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker index question
Don't feel bad Richard. I am right there with you!! Thanks Shlomo - after all these years, duh! Learned something new and learned it the right way. sigh It's only Monday, right? /sigh Tammy Van Boening Curriculum Developer Charter University Charter Communications, Inc. tammy.vanboen...@chartercom.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:00 PM To: Shlomo Perets; fram...@frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker index question Shlomo Perets wrote: If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation folder), and inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that the index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as single links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers had a different character format, this would have interfered with the link extending to include the term. I should have known Shlomo was correct, and I apologize for doubting him. It took me a while to figure out why my experience was different. I knew there was no char format applied anywhere in my index entries or in the ref page index spec. And before posting, I confirmed that my Level1IX and IndexIX pgf formats had the same Default Font settings. So why does the active area in my indexes not extend to the left of the page number? Um, well ... because the SeparatorsIX pgf has different Default Font settings. And as a consequence, the space before the page number has a different font, terminating the active area. The origin of this SeparatorsIX pgf format are lost in the mists of time. This is the behavior I've seen for as long as I can remember, and I assumed it was just The Way Things Worked. In the immortal words of Emily Littela, Oh. That's different. Never mind! (Sorry, Shlomo!) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as tammy.vanboen...@chartercom.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tammy.vanboening%40c hartercom.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker index question
When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133
FrameMaker index question
Shmuel, This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because this type of link would only work if the index string is only used once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does the link from the term go? If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is used. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. > Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. > Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? > > -- > Regards, > Shmuel Wolfson > Technical Writer > 052-763-7133 > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
FrameMaker index question
Good point. In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an index consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be preferable to have the function name hyperlinked as well. Is there any automatic way of doing this? -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 Art Campbell wrote: > Shmuel, > > This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because > this type of link would only work if the index string is only used > once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or > more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does > the link from the term go? > > If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a > hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is > used. > > Art > > Art Campbell >art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 > Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. >DoD 358 > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shmuel Wolfson > wrote: > >> When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. >> Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. >> Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Shmuel Wolfson >> Technical Writer >> 052-763-7133 >> >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> >> > >
FrameMaker index question
Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an > index consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be > preferable to have the function name hyperlinked as well. > > Is there any automatic way of doing this? Yes. Don't make an index, make an alphabetical list instead. If the function names always appear by themselves in heading pgfs: 1) Go to Add > List Of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical). 2) In the dialog, move the pgf tag that contains the function names to the Include list, make sure Create Hypertext Links is checked, and click Add. If the function names don't appear in headings, you can still get there, albeit with more work, by inserting custom markers and creating a List of Markers (Alphabetical). HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
FrameMaker index question
If you have to deliver it in an Index, no, I don't think there is. If you have the freedom to generate the other kind of front/rear matter list, like a TOC but a List of Functions, that would be both a better solution for your readers and easier to implement. You could try generating a list of functions and then integrating / alphabetizing it into the existing Index. Might be something a framescript could do... Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > Good point. > > In general, you don't want this. But we have some manual that have an index > consisting of a list of functions. In these cases, it would be preferable to > have the function name hyperlinked as well. > > Is there any automatic way of doing this? > > -- > Regards, > Shmuel Wolfson > Technical Writer > 052-763-7133 > > > Art Campbell wrote: >> >> Shmuel, >> >> This really isn't something you'd want to do as a default, because >> this type of link would only work if the index string is only used >> once -- a single entry. As soon at you use the same term on two or >> more pages, which is the usual situation in a good index, where does >> the link from the term go? >> >> If you want to kludge it for single entries, set up a cross-ref or a >> hypertext link from the text entry to where ever the main term is >> used. >> >> Art >> >> Art Campbell >> art.campbell at gmail.com >> "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 >> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson >> No disclaimers apply. >> DoD 358 >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shmuel Wolfson >> wrote: >> >>> >>> When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. >>> Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. >>> Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Shmuel Wolfson >>> Technical Writer >>> 052-763-7133 >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. >>> >>> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >>> or visit >>> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com >>> >>> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >>> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >>> >>> >> >> >
FrameMaker index question
Shmuel, You wrote: > When I make an index in FM, only the page number is hyperlinked. > Someone asked me to make the text in the index also hyperlinked. > Is this possible, and if so, how would I do this? If there is no character formatting present in the index, differentiating the page number from the index term, the hypertext marker present in front of the first page number extends its active area on both sides of the marker: to the beginning of the paragraph (including the index term), and to the end of the paragraph or the beginning of the next hypertext marker (when there are two entries). The link defined for the index term is the same as the first entry. Character formatting present in the reference page (IX flow) or in the index entries themselves (through the source marker) will interfere with this default behavior and will limit the active area to the page number only. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
FrameMaker index question
Shlomo Perets wrote: > If there is no character formatting present in the index, differentiating > the page number from the index term, the hypertext marker present in front > of the first page number extends its active area on both sides of the > marker: to the beginning of the paragraph (including the index term), and > to the end of the paragraph or the beginning of the next hypertext marker > (when there are two entries). The link defined for the index term is the > same as the first entry. Well, I'm reluctant to contradict someone of Shlomo's stature, but index entries don't follow the standard hypertext behavior as he described it. The index term is never part of the active area. I can't fully explain this, but I'm sure the behavior is deliberate. I suspect it derives from this fact: In your index doc, each index entry is a single pgf (e.g., Level1IX), but in the reference page spec, the page number portion is defined as a separate pgf, IndexIX. Behind the curtain, I suspect the active area is initially limited to the IndexIX pgf boundaries, and it retains that limit when IndexIX is merged into the LevelxIX pgf containing the index term. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
FrameMaker index question
Richard, You wrote: >Well, I'm reluctant to contradict someone of Shlomo's stature, but index >entries don't follow the standard hypertext behavior as he described it. >The index term is never part of the active area. Thanks for the compliment. If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation folder), and inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that the index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as single links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers had a different character format, this would have interfered with the link extending to include the term. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
FrameMaker index question
Shlomo Perets wrote: > If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the > samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation folder), and > inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that the > index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as single > links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers had > a different character format, this would have interfered with the link > extending to include the term. I should have known Shlomo was correct, and I apologize for doubting him. It took me a while to figure out why my experience was different. I knew there was no char format applied anywhere in my index entries or in the ref page index spec. And before posting, I confirmed that my Level1IX and IndexIX pgf formats had the same Default Font settings. So why does the active area in my indexes not extend to the left of the page number? Um, well ... because the SeparatorsIX pgf has different Default Font settings. And as a consequence, the space before the page number has a different font, terminating the active area. The origin of this SeparatorsIX pgf format are lost in the mists of time. This is the behavior I've seen for as long as I can remember, and I assumed it was just The Way Things Worked. In the immortal words of Emily Littela, "Oh. That's different. Never mind!" (Sorry, Shlomo!) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
FrameMaker index question
Don't feel bad Richard. I am right there with you!! Thanks Shlomo - after all these years, duh! Learned something new and learned it the right way. It's only Monday, right? Tammy Van Boening Curriculum Developer Charter University Charter Communications, Inc. tammy.vanboening at chartercom.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:00 PM To: Shlomo Perets; Framers at frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker index question Shlomo Perets wrote: > If you examine the index in the sample Ecology book (included in the > samples/overview/book folder under the FrameMaker installation folder), and > inspect the hypertext markers and their active area, you will see that the > index terms are active together with the first hypertext markers, as single > links. However, if the definitions had been such that the page numbers had > a different character format, this would have interfered with the link > extending to include the term. I should have known Shlomo was correct, and I apologize for doubting him. It took me a while to figure out why my experience was different. I knew there was no char format applied anywhere in my index entries or in the ref page index spec. And before posting, I confirmed that my Level1IX and IndexIX pgf formats had the same Default Font settings. So why does the active area in my indexes not extend to the left of the page number? Um, well ... because the SeparatorsIX pgf has different Default Font settings. And as a consequence, the space before the page number has a different font, terminating the active area. The origin of this SeparatorsIX pgf format are lost in the mists of time. This is the behavior I've seen for as long as I can remember, and I assumed it was just The Way Things Worked. In the immortal words of Emily Littela, "Oh. That's different. Never mind!" (Sorry, Shlomo!) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as tammy.vanboening at chartercom.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tammy.vanboening%40c hartercom.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited.
