How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-20 Thread eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com
framers-bounces+eric.dunn=ca.transport.bombardier.com at lists.frameusers.com 
wrote on 07/19/2006 05:14:23 PM:
> 7) Highlight the file testTOC.fm, right click and select Set Up table
> of Contents

> No styleas are in the left side pane.

> Why not?

Both the formats to be selected in the TOC setup and the formats actually 
selected are part of the Book component. They are not part of the TOC 
file. So naturally, until you update a book for the first time to gather 
the list of all formats, there is nothing to select. And, if you copy a 
TOC from elsewhere, there are no formats selected.

Eric L. Dunn
Senior Technical Writer

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How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-20 Thread eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com
Have to say I'm intrigued as to what possible purpose a TOC of a TOC would 
serve.

But, the only way to automatically set-up a generated file would be to use 
FrameScript.

Or

Have a book set up with a TOC and other generated files as you want them, 
then use that "book template" to build new books.

- Copy the template book, and associated generated files templates to a 
new location.
- Open template book.
- Save book with the new desired name.
- Profit from a fully set-up book.

You could even have "placeholder" book components set up correctly. Rename 
the placeholder components in the book to match the "real" files when 
building a new book.

Eric L. Dunn
Senior Technical Writer


> -Original Message-
> John Posada
> Subject: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of
> Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

> Hi, guys...sorry for the long subject line, but..

> OK...follow along..I have a book with 5 new files. They've had their
> styles imported from a template file or previous product file.

> When I generate a new TOC in the book, I get the Set Up Table of
> Contents dialog, and all the styles appear in the Don't Include pane
> on the right. What I'm trying to do is get the xxTOC styles to appear
> on the left pane (Include Paragraphs tagged) without having to move
> them over individualy.

> How can I do this?

> 
> John Posada
> Senior Technical Writer


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How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-20 Thread John Posada
--- eric.dunn at ca.transport.bombardier.com wrote:

> Have to say I'm intrigued as to what possible purpose a TOC of a
> TOC would serve.

Guys...guys...it was a mis-statement. Instead of saying xxTOC styles,
I should have said styles that were used to make the TOC.

The rest of the qestion stands, and in fact, my co-worker, using a
variantion on Karen's instruction, was able to do exactly what we
needed. 

Thanks, Karen :-)

I'll try to get him to writeup how he did it sometime next
week...we're both in training clases today and tomorrow, then he
heads bck to Chicago.


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is."



How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of Contents "Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-19 Thread John Posada
Hi, guys...sorry for the long subject line, but..

OK...follow along..I have a book with 5 new files. They've had their
styles imported from a template file or previous product file.

When I generate a new TOC in the book, I get the Set Up Table of
Contents dialog, and all the styles appear in the Don't Include pane
on the right. What I'm trying to do is get the xxTOC styles to appear
on the left pane (Include Paragraphs tagged) without having to move
them over individualy.

How can I do this?



John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is."



How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-19 Thread Karen L. Zorn
If you have a previous TOC version that you like:

1. Generate new TOC. Save the file and close.
2. Open old TOC. Save As new TOC file name.
3. Regenerate TOC.

Karen L. Zorn
Zorn Technologies, Inc.
Mesa, AZ


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Hi, guys...sorry for the long subject line, but..

OK...follow along..I have a book with 5 new files. They've had their styles
imported from a template file or previous product file.

When I generate a new TOC in the book, I get the Set Up Table of Contents
dialog, and all the styles appear in the Don't Include pane on the right.
What I'm trying to do is get the xxTOC styles to appear on the left pane
(Include Paragraphs tagged) without having to move them over individualy.

How can I do this?



John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never
actually known what the question is."
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How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-19 Thread Ridder, Fred
You don't want to do that unless you're generating some 
strange sort of meta-TOC.  What you want to list in the 
Include pane are the *document* paragraph tags that 
you want to include as entries in the TOC. When you
generated the TOC, the file you get will contain all of the 
paragraphs that match the "include" tag names, packaged 
in paragraphs that have the TOC suffix. You'd only want to 
include xxxTOC paragraphs in the TOC setup if you were
extracting the contents of a generated TOC into a new,
meta-TOC.

Or maybe I don't know what your real question is?

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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To: List, Framers
Subject: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of
Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

Hi, guys...sorry for the long subject line, but..

OK...follow along..I have a book with 5 new files. They've had their
styles imported from a template file or previous product file.

When I generate a new TOC in the book, I get the Set Up Table of
Contents dialog, and all the styles appear in the Don't Include pane
on the right. What I'm trying to do is get the xxTOC styles to appear
on the left pane (Include Paragraphs tagged) without having to move
them over individualy.

How can I do this?



John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never
actually known what the question is."
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How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-19 Thread John Posada
Karen...no, it doesn't. 

1) I have a book, named Test, with three files:
   TestFile1
   TestFile2
   TestFile3

   No TOC yet

2) In the book, I select Add -> Table of Contents. I do 
   not move any styles, just click the Add button.

   It creates TestTOC.fm

3) I open an existing TOC, we'll call it mpls_install_guideTOC.fm
4) I save it as c:\temp\TestTOC.fm and say its OK to overwrite
5) Return back to test.book, select Edit -> Update Book
6) Click all option except Apply Master Page, the testTOC is in
generate, and click Update.
7) Highlight the file testTOC.fm, right click and select Set Up table
of Contents

No styleas are in the left side pane.

Why not?

--- "Karen L. Zorn"  wrote:

> If you have a previous TOC version that you like:
> 
> 1. Generate new TOC. Save the file and close.
> 2. Open old TOC. Save As new TOC file name.
> 3. Regenerate TOC.
> 
> Karen L. Zorn
> Zorn Technologies, Inc.
> Mesa, AZ
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech.com at lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf
> Of John Posada
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:45 PM
> To: List, Framers
> Subject: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of
> Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"
> 
> 
> Hi, guys...sorry for the long subject line, but..
> 
> OK...follow along..I have a book with 5 new files. They've had
> their styles
> imported from a template file or previous product file.
> 
> When I generate a new TOC in the book, I get the Set Up Table of
> Contents
> dialog, and all the styles appear in the Don't Include pane on the
> right.
> What I'm trying to do is get the xxTOC styles to appear on the left
> pane
> (Include Paragraphs tagged) without having to move them over
> individualy.
> 
> How can I do this?


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is."



How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-19 Thread Joe Malin
Why do you want TOC styles? This isn't clear. The TOC styles are
automatically created by FM in the TOC file itself; you use them to
format paragraphs in the TOC. You *don't* use them to include paragraph
tags from other files.

Basically, it goes like this:
1. You create a TOC using Setup Table of Contents, and include all the
regular paragraph tags from the individual files
   that you want represented in the TOC. So if you have ChapterTitle,
H1, H2, and H3 as paragraph tags for the chapter
   title and heading 1-3, you'd include those in the left-hand column.
2. When you generate the TOC, FM automatically adds these paragraph tags
to the TOC file:
   ChapterTitleTOC
   H1TOC
   H2TOC
   H3TOC
3. FM also adds a reference page to the TOC file called "TOC". On this
page, it adds 4 lines that start out looking
   something like
   <$pagenum>
   If you click in a line, you'll see that it has one of the paragraph
tags listed in the preceding step 2. 
   The line works like an autonumber format, and governs how an entry
will appear in the TOC. For example, if you put
   in the following line

   )<$paranum>)<$paratext>)  <$pagenum>

   (the parentheses stand for tab marks)

   and then tag it with the paragraph tag "ChapterTItleTOC", then in
your TOC, the chapter title entries will start
   tabbed in from the starting point, and will consist of the chapter
number, the title, two spaces, and then the
   page number in bold.
4. FM maintains the association between an ordinary paragraph tag in
your files and its TOC entry by having the TOC
   entry's paragraph tag be TOC. You can't change this. If
you change ChapterTitleTOC to UghTOC and then
   delete ChapterTitleTOC, FM will just automatically create another
one.

As you can see, it makes no sense to have paragraph tags ending in "TOC"
in the Setup Table of Contents dialog box.

By the way, FM has a somewhat hidden shortcut for moving all the entries
from one column to another (Oracle calls this type of control a
"shuttle", and you "shuttle" an entry between columns using the shuttle
buttons.) Hold down the shift key, and then click the arrow key. This
will move *everything*. The best place to use this is in the Generate
Acrobat Data dialog box, to clear out the paragraph tags FM puts into
your PDF before you add what you want.


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
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Subject: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of
Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

Hi, guys...sorry for the long subject line, but..

OK...follow along..I have a book with 5 new files. They've had their
styles imported from a template file or previous product file.

When I generate a new TOC in the book, I get the Set Up Table of
Contents dialog, and all the styles appear in the Don't Include pane on
the right. What I'm trying to do is get the xxTOC styles to appear on
the left pane (Include Paragraphs tagged) without having to move them
over individualy.