Re: Identifying overrides in FrameMaker
Hi Nancy, If you want to replace one paragraph tag with another, do the following: 1. Use the Copy Special Paragraph Format to copy the new paragraph to your clipboard. 2. Open the find and replace dialog box. 3. In the Find drop-down menu, select Paragraph tag. 4. In the Find field, type the name of the old paragraph tag. 5. In the Paste drop-down menu, select paste by (this means that whatever is in your clipboard will be pasted in place of the old paragraph tag, in this case cause you copied the new paragraph format to your clipboard, the new paragraph will replace it. 6. DO NOT do a an All change. 7. Make one change to verify that it is working. 8. THEN do an All change. That should convert all your old paragraph tags in your book to the new ones. -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Identifying overrides in FrameMaker
Hi Nancy, If you want to replace one paragraph tag with another, do the following: 1. Use the Copy Special > Paragraph Format to copy the new paragraph to your clipboard. 2. Open the find and replace dialog box. 3. In the Find drop-down menu, select Paragraph tag. 4. In the Find field, type the name of the old paragraph tag. 5. In the Paste drop-down menu, select paste by (this means that whatever is in your clipboard will be pasted in place of the old paragraph tag, in this case cause you copied the new paragraph format to your clipboard, the new paragraph will replace it. 6. DO NOT do a an All change. 7. Make one change to verify that it is working. 8. THEN do an All change. That should convert all your old paragraph tags in your book to the new ones. -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini
RE: Identifying overrides
Hi Nancy If you get a message about overrides when switching from Master Pages to Body Pages, these overrides are on the text frame(s), not in the paratags. For example, you may have changed the size of the body page text frames a bit, or changed the column width, so the body pages no longer match the master pages. However, if you do the following, you should no longer get a message about overrides: 1. Go to the Master Pages. 2. Go back to the Body Pages and select Remove Overrides. 3. Do not change anything on the Body Pages. 4. Go back to the Master Pages. 5. Go back to the Body Pages: no messages about overrides? Cheers -- Yves Barbion • Managing Director • Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu • skype: yves.barbion ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Identifying overrides
Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and Body pages, and select Remove Overrides each time, and change nothing on the body pages, I get the Remove Overrides prompt each time. Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the master pages to the file. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Identifying overrides
Have you cleaned up the file by saving as MIF and reopening that version? Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote: Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and Body pages, and select Remove Overrides each time, and change nothing on the body pages, I get the Remove Overrides prompt each time. Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the master pages to the file. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Identifying overrides
I've been struggling with just this problem. I solved it by 1. Inserting a disconnected page (Special Add Disconnected Pages) that uses the same Master Page as the misbehaving body page, 2. Copying the text from the bad body page into the new body page, and 3. Deleting the old body page. You may then need to connect the body page flow of the new body page to the other body pages. I think the way to do that is to select Autoconnect in the object properties of the frame of the new body page. Eli. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:34 PM To: Yves Barbion Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Identifying overrides Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and Body pages, and select Remove Overrides each time, and change nothing on the body pages, I get the Remove Overrides prompt each time. Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the master pages to the file. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as ehare...@checkpoint.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ehareven%40checkpoint.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Scanned by Check Point Total Security Gateway. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Identifying overrides
Hi Nancy, Follow these steps on a copy of your document. 1) Click somewhere in the main text flow. 2) Choose Edit Select All In Flow (Control+A). 3) Cut the selection to the clipboard using Edit Cut (Control+X). 4) Choose Special Delete Pages. Delete all of the pages in the document. You should now be viewing the master pages. 5) Choose View Body Pages. You will be prompted to add a Body Page; click OK. 6) Click an insertion point in the new body page and choose Edit Paste (Control+V). See if this fixes the override problem. Thanks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Identifying overrides
Hello, all. Have gotten caught up in minutiae but didn't want to leave this discussion hanging, since you have all been so helpful. I have given up temporarily on the overrides stuff, since there are more basic things I must fix. Anybody know how to replace tags at the book level? I've replaced some cryptic tags with descriptive names. I do not want to replace them chapter by chapter (total of 20 chapters), by going into the Paragraph Designer and using the Global replace option for each of the 12 tags. I'd much much rather do it at the book level. Possible? Thanks again, very much. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Identifying overrides
Use either Import Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File Import Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most applications, because it isn't additive). Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote: Hello, all. Have gotten caught up in minutiae but didn't want to leave this discussion hanging, since you have all been so helpful. I have given up temporarily on the overrides stuff, since there are more basic things I must fix. Anybody know how to replace tags at the book level? I've replaced some cryptic tags with descriptive names. I do not want to replace them chapter by chapter (total of 20 chapters), by going into the Paragraph Designer and using the Global replace option for each of the 12 tags. I'd much much rather do it at the book level. Possible? Thanks again, very much. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Identifying overrides
No, darlin, I've already used the CleanImports plug-in. It deleted all the old tags and imported my nice, clean, understandably-named tags. *However,* the text in the files remains tagged with the old tags. They're just not in the catalog any more. I still have to replace them with my beautiful new tags, and I'd prefer not to do it chapter-by-chapter. I will try the plug-in someone recommended. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Art Campbell wrote: Use either Import Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File Import Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most applications, because it isn't additive). ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Identifying overrides
OK... Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format. Then: Copy Special Para Format. SR for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting. Make sure the Book option is checked in the SR dialog to define your range. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote: No, darlin, I've already used the CleanImports plug-in. It deleted all the old tags and imported my nice, clean, understandably-named tags. *However,* the text in the files remains tagged with the old tags. They're just not in the catalog any more. I still have to replace them with my beautiful new tags, and I'd prefer not to do it chapter-by-chapter. I will try the plug-in someone recommended. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Art Campbell wrote: Use either Import Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File Import Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most applications, because it isn't additive). ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Identifying overrides
And don't forget Rick Quattro's Find/Change Special plugin, well worth the $30 I paid for it. [http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/findchangespecial/index.htm] [Standard disclaimer: No association other than a happy customer of several of Mr. Quattro's plugins. They rock.] On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote: OK... Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format. Then: Copy Special Para Format. SR for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting. Make sure the Book option is checked in the SR dialog to define your range. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Identifying overrides
Oh, you clever fellow! It WORKS! Thankee! On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Art Campbell wrote: OK... Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format. Then: Copy Special Para Format. SR for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting. Make sure the Book option is checked in the SR dialog to define your range. Art ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Identifying overrides
Still working on my template. I've whittled down the tags for my Index file to only those that are used in the file. When I switch from the Master page to the Body page of my Index file, I get a message that there are overrides on every page. I always say "Remove overrides," but the next time I switch between Master and Body pages, I get the same message. When I use the File/Utilities/Overrides function, which Frame says is the way to identify the problem, my catalogs do indeed fill up with new tag names -- but they are tags used all over the document and NOT in my Index file. This happens even if I have closed all other files and the book file itself. I don't know why that's happening, and it's useless to me since none of those tags is used in the Index. Is there some clever way to output to a MIF file to identify the real overrides? You see, I'm learning! Or, do you have any other insights into why Frame tells me there are overrides, and how I can eliminate them?
Identifying overrides
Hi Nancy If you get a message about overrides when switching from Master Pages to Body Pages, these overrides are on the text frame(s), not in the paratags. For example, you may have changed the size of the body page text frames a bit, or changed the column width, so the body pages no longer match the master pages. However, if you do the following, you should no longer get a message about overrides: 1. Go to the Master Pages. 2. Go back to the Body Pages and select Remove Overrides. 3. Do not change anything on the Body Pages. 4. Go back to the Master Pages. 5. Go back to the Body Pages: no messages about overrides? Cheers -- Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu ? skype: yves.barbion
Identifying overrides
Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and Body pages, and select "Remove Overrides" each time, and change nothing on the body pages, I get the "Remove Overrides" prompt each time. Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the master pages to the file.
Identifying overrides
Have you cleaned up the file by saving as MIF and reopening that version? Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Nancy Allison wrote: > Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and > Body pages, and select "Remove Overrides" each time, and change nothing > on the body pages, I get the "Remove Overrides" prompt each time. > > Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the > master pages to the file. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Identifying overrides
I've been struggling with just this problem. I solved it by 1. Inserting a disconnected page (Special > Add Disconnected Pages) that uses the same Master Page as the misbehaving body page, 2. Copying the text from the "bad" body page into the new body page, and 3. Deleting the old body page. You may then need to connect the body page flow of the new body page to the other body pages. I think the way to do that is to select Autoconnect in the object properties of the frame of the new body page. Eli. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:34 PM To: Yves Barbion Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Identifying overrides Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and Body pages, and select "Remove Overrides" each time, and change nothing on the body pages, I get the "Remove Overrides" prompt each time. Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the master pages to the file. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as ehareven at checkpoint.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ehareven%40checkpoint.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Scanned by Check Point Total Security Gateway.
Identifying overrides
Hi Nancy, Follow these steps on a copy of your document. 1) Click somewhere in the main text flow. 2) Choose Edit > Select All In Flow (Control+A). 3) Cut the selection to the clipboard using Edit > Cut (Control+X). 4) Choose Special > Delete Pages. Delete all of the pages in the document. You should now be viewing the master pages. 5) Choose View > Body Pages. You will be prompted to add a Body Page; click OK. 6) Click an insertion point in the new body page and choose Edit > Paste (Control+V). See if this fixes the override problem. Thanks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com
Identifying overrides
Hello, all. Have gotten caught up in minutiae but didn't want to leave this discussion hanging, since you have all been so helpful. I have given up temporarily on the overrides stuff, since there are more basic things I must fix. Anybody know how to replace tags at the book level? I've replaced some cryptic tags with descriptive names. I do not want to replace them chapter by chapter (total of 20 chapters), by going into the Paragraph Designer and using the Global replace option for each of the 12 tags. I'd much much rather do it at the book level. Possible? Thanks again, very much. --Nancy
Identifying overrides
Use either Import > Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File > Import > Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most applications, because it isn't additive). Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Nancy Allison wrote: > > Hello, all. Have gotten caught up in minutiae but didn't want to leave > this discussion hanging, since you have all been so helpful. I have > given up temporarily on the overrides stuff, since there are more basic > things I must fix. > > Anybody know how to replace tags at the book level? I've replaced some > cryptic tags with descriptive names. I do not want to replace them > chapter by chapter (total of 20 chapters), by going into the Paragraph > Designer and using the Global replace option for each of the 12 tags. > I'd much much rather do it at the book level. > > Possible? > > Thanks again, very much. > > --Nancy > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Identifying overrides
No, darlin, I've already used the CleanImports plug-in. It deleted all the old tags and imported my nice, clean, understandably-named tags. *However,* the text in the files remains tagged with the old tags. They're just not in the catalog any more. I still have to replace them with my beautiful new tags, and I'd prefer not to do it chapter-by-chapter. I will try the plug-in someone recommended. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > Use either Import > Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File >> Import > Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most > applications, because it isn't additive). >
Identifying overrides
OK... Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format. Then: Copy Special > Para Format. S for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting. Make sure the Book option is checked in the S dialog to define your range. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Nancy Allison wrote: > > No, darlin, I've already used the CleanImports plug-in. It deleted all the > old tags and imported my nice, clean, understandably-named tags. > > *However,* the text in the files remains tagged with the old tags. They're > just not in the catalog any more. I still have to replace them with my > beautiful new tags, and I'd prefer not to do it chapter-by-chapter. I will > try the plug-in someone recommended. > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > >> Use either Import > Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File >>> >>> Import > Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most >> >> applications, because it isn't additive). >> >
Identifying overrides
And don't forget Rick Quattro's Find/Change Special plugin, well worth the $30 I paid for it. [http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/findchangespecial/index.htm] [Standard disclaimer: No association other than a happy customer of several of Mr. Quattro's plugins. They rock.] On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > OK... > Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format. > > Then: > Copy Special > Para Format. > S for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting. > > Make sure the Book option is checked in the S dialog to define your range. -- Lin Sims
Identifying overrides
Oh, you clever fellow! It WORKS! Thankee! On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > OK... Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format. Then: Copy Special > Para Format. S for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting. Make sure the Book option is checked in the S dialog to define your range. Art
