Re: QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
On 9/24/06, Karen Mardahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Grant Bodvar - do you do a compare of the entire FM book in one step? My complaint about the FM compare is that it is per chapter. I need to do the entire book. I am sure there is a FrameScript solution to such a task, but tell me - is there a built-in method that I have overlooked? Thanks. regards, Karen Mardahl No. I have just recently started using the compare and have only compared files. It is limited, of course, especially with structured FM, but I use it as a basis for further markings in the original. The CMP document is usually full of redundancies and changes that don't matter, like splitting a word with a hyphen, changing qote types etc. You really don't want that in the final document that serves as a new revision. But it is geat combined with the summary files (that I print out) to show the reviewers what to look for. Our good relations with the authorities have still improved considerably since we started this. And about the conditional texts (although you seem to be complaining only about how Acrobat renders its changes): If the users don't like red overstrike and green underscore, why not just make your own colors and condition text formatting? Try numeric underscore and make a darker green color for the added text. Bodvar ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
Hi Grant You are looking for a way to compare two docs with conditional text. I do this all the time with Adobe Acrobat Professional (7.0). You MUST have pro. (We upgraded from 6.0 pro to 7.0 standard, because someone had extra licenses from an acquisition. I hit the ceiling the second I opened the program and found no compare feature. So I do know from experience!) Drawbacks (IMHO) with the Acrobat compare: - side-by-side gets skewed if you added or deleted text so the pagination is different between the two versions. Then you have to scroll back and forth to compare. I might be forced to do it - my engineers will say life is too short... - legibility of changes - in 7.0 pro, the "older" version uses red strikeout, the newer version uses blue underline. I find the placement of the blue can make it hard to read. I view my compares with two monitors, but still I cannot tell if the new number is an 8 or a 0. I have to zoom quite a bit to get past the point where there is no doubt about the number. Of course, I can look in my source, but the point is that I should be able to see it here. I simply cannot find a place to change these parameters in Acrobat. The FM compare is OK for a chapter. Mentally, I can get thrown by seeing the deletions and additions all together. You have to process the different color coding and read it accordingly. I find that tricky. That would be for heavy duty changes. For a light revision, it might be OK. Bodvar - do you do a compare of the entire FM book in one step? My complaint about the FM compare is that it is per chapter. I need to do the entire book. I am sure there is a FrameScript solution to such a task, but tell me - is there a built-in method that I have overlooked? Thanks. regards, Karen Mardahl
QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
On 9/24/06, Karen Mardahl wrote: > Hi Grant > > Bodvar - do you do a compare of the entire FM book in one step? My > complaint about the FM compare is that it is per chapter. I need to do > the entire book. I am sure there is a FrameScript solution to such a > task, but tell me - is there a built-in method that I have overlooked? > > Thanks. > > regards, Karen Mardahl No. I have just recently started using the compare and have only compared files. It is limited, of course, especially with structured FM, but I use it as a basis for further markings in the original. The CMP document is usually full of redundancies and changes that don't matter, like splitting a word with a hyphen, changing qote types etc. You really don't want that in the final document that serves as a new revision. But it is geat combined with the summary files (that I print out) to show the reviewers what to look for. Our good relations with the authorities have still improved considerably since we started this. And about the conditional texts (although you seem to be complaining only about how Acrobat renders its changes): If the users don't like red overstrike and green underscore, why not just make your own colors and condition text formatting? Try numeric underscore and make a darker green color for the added text. Bodvar
Re: QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
Hi Grant You are looking for a way to compare two docs with conditional text. I do this all the time with Adobe Acrobat Professional (7.0). You MUST have pro. (We upgraded from 6.0 pro to 7.0 standard, because someone had extra licenses from an acquisition. I hit the ceiling the second I opened the program and found no compare feature. So I do know from experience!) Drawbacks (IMHO) with the Acrobat compare: - side-by-side gets skewed if you added or deleted text so the pagination is different between the two versions. Then you have to scroll back and forth to compare. I might be forced to do it - my engineers will say life is too short... - legibility of changes - in 7.0 pro, the older version uses red strikeout, the newer version uses blue underline. I find the placement of the blue can make it hard to read. I view my compares with two monitors, but still I cannot tell if the new number is an 8 or a 0. I have to zoom quite a bit to get past the point where there is no doubt about the number. Of course, I can look in my source, but the point is that I should be able to see it here. I simply cannot find a place to change these parameters in Acrobat. The FM compare is OK for a chapter. Mentally, I can get thrown by seeing the deletions and additions all together. You have to process the different color coding and read it accordingly. I find that tricky. That would be for heavy duty changes. For a light revision, it might be OK. Bodvar - do you do a compare of the entire FM book in one step? My complaint about the FM compare is that it is per chapter. I need to do the entire book. I am sure there is a FrameScript solution to such a task, but tell me - is there a built-in method that I have overlooked? Thanks. regards, Karen Mardahl ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
Thanks, Peter -- Basically I I'm concerned about a Content Diff so that my reviewers can see the difference. Unfortunately, I don't have Acrobat Pro (just Standard v6 at the moment) Grant -Original Message- From: Peter Gold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Grant Hogarth wrote: OK - I can think of a brute-force method to do this (duplicate the directory and make one Version A and and one Version B), but I wondered if anyone had a more elegant/less risky methodology/tool/technique for this task Hi, Grant: It's not clear what level of detail you need in your comparison, but you might find that the options available for document comparison in Acrobat Professional offer results that suit your needs better than FrameMaker's File Utilities Compare Documents. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
Grant Hogarth wrote: Thanks, Peter -- Basically I I'm concerned about a Content Diff so that my reviewers can see the difference. Unfortunately, I don't have Acrobat Pro (just Standard v6 at the moment) It might be worth a look at your Acrobat Standard - I'm not sure if it does comparisons. Another approach, while it might be ugly, is to turn on condition indicators and show all conditions and save as PDF. The ugly part is where text flows - or maybe that's mis-flows. If you don't have any indicators set, choose a color for each condition, but don't use magenta. FrameMaker reserves magenta for content that is tagged with two or more conditions; the color isn't the result of any known rules of color mixing, it's just arbitrary. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
Comparing two documents (old and new) makes two conditional tags: in the new composite document, Deleted and Changed (or added, can't remember off the top of my head). The deleted one by default changes the deleted text (the one in the old document that you do not find in the new one) to overstrike red and the added (or changed) text (the one that you find in the new document and not in the old one) as green underlined. My reviewers are very happy about this and find it easy to follow. Different folders is only a question of taste or practical way to go at a bunch of files. ;-) Or you can just name the files differently. Bodvar On 9/22/06, Grant Hogarth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Peter -- Basically I I'm concerned about a Content Diff so that my reviewers can see the difference. Unfortunately, I don't have Acrobat Pro (just Standard v6 at the moment) Grant -Original Message- From: Peter Gold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Grant Hogarth wrote: OK - I can think of a brute-force method to do this (duplicate the directory and make one Version A and and one Version B), but I wondered if anyone had a more elegant/less risky methodology/tool/technique for this task Hi, Grant: It's not clear what level of detail you need in your comparison, but you might find that the options available for document comparison in Acrobat Professional offer results that suit your needs better than FrameMaker's File Utilities Compare Documents. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
OK - I can think of a brute-force method to do this (duplicate the directory and make one "Version A" and and one "Version B"), but I wondered if anyone had a more elegant/less risky methodology/tool/technique for this task Grant
QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
Grant Hogarth wrote: > OK - I can think of a brute-force method to do this (duplicate the > directory and make one "Version A" and and one "Version B"), but I > wondered if anyone had a more elegant/less risky > methodology/tool/technique for this task > > > Hi, Grant: It's not clear what level of detail you need in your comparison, but you might find that the options available for document comparison in Acrobat Professional offer results that suit your needs better than FrameMaker's File > Utilities > Compare Documents. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
Thanks, Peter -- Basically I I'm concerned about a Content Diff so that my reviewers can see the difference. Unfortunately, I don't have Acrobat Pro (just Standard v6 at the moment) Grant -Original Message- From: Peter Gold [mailto:pe...@knowhowpro.com] Grant Hogarth wrote: > OK - I can think of a brute-force method to do this (duplicate the > directory and make one "Version A" and and one "Version B"), but I > wondered if anyone had a more elegant/less risky > methodology/tool/technique for this task > Hi, Grant: It's not clear what level of detail you need in your comparison, but you might find that the options available for document comparison in Acrobat Professional offer results that suit your needs better than FrameMaker's File > Utilities > Compare Documents. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
Grant Hogarth wrote: > Thanks, Peter -- > Basically I I'm concerned about a Content Diff so that my reviewers can > see the difference. > Unfortunately, I don't have Acrobat Pro (just Standard v6 at the moment) > > It might be worth a look at your Acrobat Standard - I'm not sure if it does comparisons. Another approach, while it might be ugly, is to turn on condition indicators and show all conditions and save as PDF. The ugly part is where text flows - or maybe that's "mis-flows." If you don't have any indicators set, choose a color for each condition, but don't use magenta. FrameMaker reserves magenta for content that is tagged with two or more conditions; the color isn't the result of any known rules of color mixing, it's just arbitrary. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
QUESTION: Creating a DIFF doc comparing 2 conditionalized versions of manual
Comparing two documents (old and new) makes two conditional tags: in the new composite document, "Deleted" and "Changed" (or added, can't remember off the top of my head). The deleted one by default changes the deleted text (the one in the old document that you do not find in the new one) to overstrike red and the added (or changed) text (the one that you find in the new document and not in the old one) as green underlined. My reviewers are very happy about this and find it easy to follow. Different folders is only a question of taste or practical way to go at a bunch of files. ;-) Or you can just name the files differently. Bodvar On 9/22/06, Grant Hogarth wrote: > Thanks, Peter -- > Basically I I'm concerned about a Content Diff so that my reviewers can > see the difference. > Unfortunately, I don't have Acrobat Pro (just Standard v6 at the moment) > > Grant > > -Original Message- > From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com] > > Grant Hogarth wrote: > > OK - I can think of a brute-force method to do this (duplicate the > > directory and make one "Version A" and and one "Version B"), but I > > wondered if anyone had a more elegant/less risky > > methodology/tool/technique for this task > > > Hi, Grant: > > It's not clear what level of detail you need in your comparison, but you > might find that the options available for document comparison in Acrobat > Professional offer results that suit your needs better than FrameMaker's > File > Utilities > Compare Documents. > > HTH > > Regards, > > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bodvar at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
