Re: Evaluating FM 7.2 replacement? RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I'm using FM 7.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64-bit and after a few initial hiccups, it's been smooth sailing. ...Susan From: Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com To: don...@uw.edu don...@uw.edu Cc: Framers framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011

Evaluating FM 7.2 replacement? RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I'm using FM 7.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64-bit and after a few initial hiccups, it's been smooth sailing. ...Susan From: Scott Prentice To: "donnaf at uw.edu" Cc: Framers Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 5:55:51 PM Subject: Re: Evaluating FM 7.2

Re: Evaluating FM 7.2 replacement? RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Hi Donna... The non-Roman character problem should be significantly reduced with FM10 .. or InDesign. I've never been able to warm up to working with Flare, which feels a lot like RoboHelp .. not that there's anything wrong with these products, but if you're used to the solid feel of writing

Evaluating FM 7.2 replacement? RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Hi Donna... The non-Roman character problem should be significantly reduced with FM10 .. or InDesign. I've never been able to warm up to working with Flare, which feels a lot like RoboHelp .. not that there's anything wrong with these products, but if you're used to the solid feel of writing

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 17:44 + 2/3/11, Steve Rickaby wrote: They have $6 million to play with. Sorry: that should have read 'They have $6 *billion* to play with.' Duh. Yes, I was kidding about Apple buying Adobe. And Steve J is right, there's no point in ranting about Mac FrameMaker here: that's been done to

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Well, you can still upgrade to Frame 10 from 8 or 9 (not just 9) but riddle me this batman You can upgrade to Tech Comm Suite from Frame 7 for $1299 (saves you 300 over TCS direct purchase). I really wish Adobe would come out with a roll your own suite... I've got CS5, but Frame

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Think about it. Why s it that you miss Macromedia's upgrades prices? I recall they were not onerous and were flexible, and they are no longer there. On 3/03/2011, at 1:06 PM, Don Rinderknecht wrote: At the risk of going Off Topic I really miss Macromedia's upgrade prices. sigh Alan

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

We are looking to upgrade 60-70 seats to FM 10; we were quote a per-seat cost of 925.00 USD. Adobe has a volume licensing program: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/volumelicensing/clp/. It'll be interesting to see how much this reduces the per-seat cost - Original Message From:

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I had lock-up problems with 7.2 on Win 7. I could take care of the lock-ups by running it in administrator mode, but then updating books and generating PDFs was extremely slow, so I would switch back and forth between modes. I'm enjoying 10 now. I think it's too bad Adobe doesn't allow an

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 08:15 AM 2/03/2011, Alan Litchfield wrote: Yeah, I'm in that boat, and pricing in this part of the world is such that we get to pay significantly more than those stateside. Worse, that upgrade thing is a cheat. I was contentedly using FM6 which, when bought, had an upgrade path of two

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

By Adobe changing their upgrade policy, to *not* allow upgrades for a few version back, they essentially have raised their price a lot for those who want to stay even somewhat current. You used to be able to upgrade every three versions without a problem. Now you have to upgrade *every*

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price? As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by closing off historical upgrade

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker? From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 1:13 AM To: Shmuel Wolfson;

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

And what makes you really think that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker? EXACTLY! Bodvar 2011/3/2 Dov Isaacs isa...@adobe.com It is absolutely *not *going to ever happen! And what makes you really think that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker? *From:*

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Will never happen, either or both! At 09:44 -0500 1/3/11, Alan Houser wrote: Indeed it was. In my dreams, Apple buys Adobe and forces them to revive it. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 09:27 -0800 2/3/11, Dov Isaacs wrote: It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker? Two answers... . First point: I was joking. . Second point: Apple still uses FrameMaker for a lot of its own documentation, about

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

There is a third point, which is just as viable: What makes you think that Adobe gives a d*mn about FrameMaker? Scott On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:44, Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote: At 09:27 -0800 2/3/11, Dov Isaacs wrote: It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

IMHO, it's time to close out this discussion because it's become a series of meaningless rants. Regardless of what you think about the various versions of Frame over the years, as of the release of Frame 10, the only prior version you can get from Adobe anymore is Frame 9. Adobe has closed the

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I'm excited about getting FM 10 here at work. I've been using FM9 for a couple of years, and it was a huge improvement over 7.2 to me. I've used only unstructured and I'm just doing run-of-the-mill technical publications, but I love FrameMaker--always have and

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Everette, Dimi wrote: Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I'm excited about getting FM 10 here at work. I've been using FM9 for a couple of years, and it was a huge improvement over 7.2 to me. I've used only unstructured and I'm just doing run-of-the-mill technical publications, but I love

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote: Are others in the same boat? Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a later point upgrading again? Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck. -- Steve ___ You are currently

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 09:44 -0500 1/3/11, Alan Houser wrote: I know the FrameMaker on Mac horse was beaten to death long ago, but perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse... Indeed it was. In my dreams, Apple buys Adobe and forces them to revive it. -- Steve

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Carrie, We are in the same boat. We are currently using FM 7.0 and the company is pretty tight-fisted when it comes to software. We bought one FM 9 upgrade for evaluation, as it turns out, a week before FM 10 was released. You can't upgrade to FM 8 or 9, except if you get lucky on eBay. Our

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I sort of just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of that vintage. On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser a...@groupwellesley.com wrote: If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Hi Carrie, I'm lodged on Frame 7.2 by choice. There have been no bells and whistles in the more recent releases that gave me anything I felt I needed for my very small department of one. I've been using Frame since 2.1 and have a strong partiality for the Frame interface vs. the Adobe one, so

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Yes, I'm in the same boat: FrameMaker 7.2. But I don't see an upgrade path to 9 and then 10. I think that to even buy 9 now, you'd have to pay for a full license for 10 and downgrade. We're just going to have to bite the bullet. Fei Min Lorente -Original Message- From:

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

If there's no business or functional reason to upgrade, why bother? At this point you're stuck paying the full price for an upgrade, so if FM7 provides everything that you need I'd hold out as long as possible. I think that there are plenty of people on FM7 and earlier who are perfectly happy

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

7.2 here. FM10 has not really met my needs (spellchecking and hyphenation in Icelandic), so I can just as well continue with 7.2 until FM breaks free of the bonds that is keeping them from expanding these tools to other languages than the few they are supporting. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Iceland

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Yeah, I'm in that boat, and pricing in this part of the world is such that we get to pay significantly more than those stateside. Alan On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Carrie Baker wrote: I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame 8 or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I agree with Scott. For me, FrameMaker 8 is the gold standard. It supports Unicode, but is not encumbered by the new interface and slow performance of FrameMaker 9 (the Windows Millennium version of FrameMaker :-)). FrameMaker 10 is better than 9, but, as Scott said, only upgrade if you need some

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:23:06 -0500, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote: I agree with Scott. For me, FrameMaker 8 is the gold standard. It supports Unicode, I agree. I use FM 8 myself, and our pubs manager uses 7.0. If you don't need Unicode, there's no reason to go past 7. And if you do

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

7.2 was fine for me until I upgraded to Windows 7. I then began to experience a lot of crashes, most of them when highlighting text or moving borders of frames. Adobe wouldn´t upgrade to FM9 when I tried 2 days after the release of FM10 (FM10 wasn’t even available in Sweden at that time), but I

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Maybe it's time for someone to build a whole new mousetrap. Nadine --- On Tue, 3/1/11, Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com wrote: From: Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2? To: 'Framers' framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday,

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I'm looking at buying the latest version because our company is moving everyone to Windows 7, and FrameMaker 7.2 isn't supported on that OS. It doesn't mean it won't work, but our management prefers to play it safe. Fei Min Lorente From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Please note that upgrades to FrameMaker 9 were no longer available from Adobe as of the day of release of FrameMaker 10. The only way to upgrade to FrameMaker 9 would be to find a legal copy of a FrameMaker 9 upgrade that is still on some reseller's shelf. And since you typically did not see

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

No one from Adobe is forcing you to upgrade! :) On the other hand, don't expect support for newer versions of Windows and interoperability with new versions of both Adobe and non-Adobe applications with four version old software. If your self-contained environment needs no more than what