Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Mike Wickham]

Yes, it can still be an issue on Windows, if you are unaware of the 
steps necessary to prevent automatic conversion from CMYK to RGB. The 
latest versions of FrameMaker have improved CMYK support built-in, but 
there are still reports of it being tricky. So I have stuck with using 
EPS for graphics. FrameMaker passes EPS around the Windows GDI, 
eliminating the potential of unexpected CMYK to RGB or Pantone to RGB 
conversions by Windows. I don't use Pantone colors, so someone else 
would have to comment on the details of using them.


It's also important to be sure that Acrobat isn't set to convert colors.

Mike Wickham


This begs a question, with my apologies if it has been belabored here in the 
past.

In pre-press work on Mac, I often had extensive struggles with the final PDFs 
for all sorts of reasons (extraneous plates, hairlines and so on), but 
'helpful' conversion *from* CMYK was never one of them.

Is this still an issue with Windows FrameMaker? The thought of Pantones being 
converted to RGB is the stuff of nightmares.




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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Steve Rickaby]

At 20:03 -0500 9/9/16, Mike Wickham wrote:

>EPS is also the only way to keep Windows GDI from automatically converting 
>CMYK graphics to RGB. If your destination is printing press, CMYK is preferred 
>over RGB. EPS was also the only way to keep Windows from converting Pantone 
>colors to RGB. So, if your destination is printing press, EPS graphics are 
>still the safest way to go (although PDF graphics can also do the job now).

This begs a question, with my apologies if it has been belabored here in the 
past.

In pre-press work on Mac, I often had extensive struggles with the final PDFs 
for all sorts of reasons (extraneous plates, hairlines and so on), but 
'helpful' conversion *from* CMYK was never one of them.

Is this still an issue with Windows FrameMaker? The thought of Pantones being 
converted to RGB is the stuff of nightmares.

-- 
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Mike Wickham]

FrameMaker is an old program and EPS is an old all-purpose kind of 
format. It acts as an envelope for both vector and bitmap graphics, 
without automatically converting vector to bitmap. If you want maximum 
resolution on printing press, vector is preferable for line drawings 
because it is infinitely resizable without pixelation. EPS is also the 
only way to keep Windows GDI from automatically converting CMYK graphics 
to RGB. If your destination is printing press, CMYK is preferred over 
RGB. EPS was also the only way to keep Windows from converting Pantone 
colors to RGB. So, if your destination is printing press, EPS graphics 
are still the safest way to go (although PDF graphics can also do the 
job now).


I hope I got that all right.

Mike Wickham

On 9/9/2016 10:47 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

I'm still wondering why EPS is a requirement. That's not normally a
source format, and as an exported format there's not usually no reason
to prefer it to alternatives.




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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Craig Ede]

Adobe Illustrator will open eps easily and allow you to save as a variety of 
formats. Best to save as .ai to have a good source file to work with, but your 
target file can be any number of things. It's easiest if you stay with the same 
source/target (you can't "lose" the source then).


Craig



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If the source is in EPS and you don't have the originals, or the EPS
files were created by somebody who thought that was a reasonable
source format, that explains the odd requirement.

It's kind of like having only PDFs and not the original source.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Tammy Van Boening
<tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
>... I need to be able to work with an EPS source and
> then convert to something else, which is why I was asking about the correct
> tools.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

I don't like to give people bad advice, especially when it involves
giving a big chunk of money to Adobe or Microsoft.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Writer  wrote:
> Lately, every time I'm tempted to waste brain cells pondering why people do
> stuff the way they do, I go have a beer instead. I've been learning a lot
> about beer lately.
>
> From: Robert Lauriston 
>
> If the source is in EPS and you don't have the originals, or the EPS
> files were created by somebody who thought that was a reasonable
> source format, that explains the odd requirement.
>
> It's kind of like having only PDFs and not the original source.
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Tammy Van Boening
>  wrote:
>>... I need to be able to work with an EPS source and
>> then convert to something else, which is why I was asking about the
>> correct
>> tools.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Writer]

Lately, every time I'm tempted to waste brain cells pondering why people do 
stuff the way they do, I go have a beer instead. I've been learning a lot about 
beer lately.
Nadine

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If the source is in EPS and you don't have the originals, or the EPS
files were created by somebody who thought that was a reasonable
source format, that explains the odd requirement.

It's kind of like having only PDFs and not the original source.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Tammy Van Boening
<tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
>... I need to be able to work with an EPS source and
> then convert to something else, which is why I was asking about the correct
> tools.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

If the source is in EPS and you don't have the originals, or the EPS
files were created by somebody who thought that was a reasonable
source format, that explains the odd requirement.

It's kind of like having only PDFs and not the original source.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Tammy Van Boening
 wrote:
>... I need to be able to work with an EPS source and
> then convert to something else, which is why I was asking about the correct
> tools.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Ours not to reason why, ours but to do and die.

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Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

I'm still wondering why EPS is a requirement. That's not normally a source
format, and as an exported format there's not usually no reason to prefer it
to alternatives.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 6:32 AM, Tammy Van Boening
<tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> Thanks All. I purchased a legal version of CS6 (available by phone 
> only from
> Adobe) and installed the components that I needed.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Tammy Van Boening]

I am on the same page - I need to be able to work with an EPS source and
then convert to something else, which is why I was asking about the correct
tools.

Thanks all!

TVB

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On Behalf Of Art Campbell
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To: Syed Zaeem Hosain
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

I'd also agree with this -- I'd open the EPS in Photoshop or Acrobat and
save as a PDF.


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On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:33 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain <syed.hos...@aeris.net>
wrote:

> That is an old version - so not sure if it is true in the latest release.
>
> But I also do not bring in EPS formats - have had too many issues with 
> that (in FM) to use it.
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+syed.hosain=aeris.net@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 11:14 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question
>
> Xara may have issues with EPS.
>
> http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?66467-EPS-in-Designer-Pro-X
> 9
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain 
> <syed.hos...@aeris.net>
> wrote:
> > I highly recommend the Xara products. I use their image editing and
> video products with good results. I switched to their perpetual  
> licensed tools when Adobe went cloud licensed based.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

I'm still wondering why EPS is a requirement. That's not normally a
source format, and as an exported format there's not usually no reason
to prefer it to alternatives.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 6:32 AM, Tammy Van Boening
 wrote:
> Thanks All. I purchased a legal version of CS6 (available by phone only from
> Adobe) and installed the components that I needed.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Art Campbell]

I'd also agree with this -- I'd open the EPS in Photoshop or Acrobat and
save as a PDF.


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On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:33 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain <syed.hos...@aeris.net>
wrote:

> That is an old version - so not sure if it is true in the latest release.
>
> But I also do not bring in EPS formats - have had too many issues with
> that (in FM) to use it.
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+syed.hosain=aeris.net@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 11:14 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question
>
> Xara may have issues with EPS.
>
> http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?66467-EPS-in-Designer-Pro-X9
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain <syed.hos...@aeris.net>
> wrote:
> > I highly recommend the Xara products. I use their image editing and
> video products with good results. I switched to their perpetual  licensed
> tools when Adobe went cloud licensed based.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

That is an old version - so not sure if it is true in the latest release.

But I also do not bring in EPS formats - have had too many issues with that (in 
FM) to use it.

Z

-Original Message-
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Of Robert Lauriston
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Xara may have issues with EPS.

http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?66467-EPS-in-Designer-Pro-X9

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain <syed.hos...@aeris.net> 
wrote:
> I highly recommend the Xara products. I use their image editing and video 
> products with good results. I switched to their perpetual  licensed tools 
> when Adobe went cloud licensed based.

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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Art Campbell]

Subscription is $10 a month for Photoshop (and Lightroom, if you need/want
it).
Seriously not a big deal and cheaper and more reliable than the regular
licenses, speaking after several year's experience as a beta and real user.


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On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Tammy Van Boening <
tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:

> What were the last versions of Photoshop and AI that were sold with a
> perpetual license before they got sucked up into this subscription mode as
> part of CS?
>
> Thank you!
>
> TVB
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> c...@lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:36 AM
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> Subject: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question
>
> Hi All,
>
> I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
> just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
> requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
> start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
> that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
> advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
> work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
> leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
> this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
> license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
> tools?
>
> Thanks!
>
> TVB
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thanks All. I purchased a legal version of CS6 (available by phone only from
Adobe) and installed the components that I needed. 

All the input was very helpful, and I sincerely appreciate the wealth of
suggestions and knowledge on this list.

Regards,

TVB


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I read on inkscape's website that there is a plug-in to open EPS files.

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On 07-Sep-16 7:53 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> Inkscape can't open EPS files, so you have to convert them:
>
> https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#how-to-open-eps-files-in-windows
> http://kristarella.com/2010/03/edit-eps-files-in-inkscape-on-mac
>
> Then exporting to EPS when you're done is problematic:
>
> http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2013/08/12/how-to-produce-vector-eps-with-cm
> yk-color-using-free-software 
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I read on inkscape's website that there is a plug-in to open EPS files.

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On 07-Sep-16 7:53 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

Inkscape can't open EPS files, so you have to convert them:

https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#how-to-open-eps-files-in-windows
http://kristarella.com/2010/03/edit-eps-files-in-inkscape-on-mac

Then exporting to EPS when you're done is problematic:

http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2013/08/12/how-to-produce-vector-eps-with-cmyk-color-using-free-software
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

Is EPS required for any reason other than exporting for placement in FrameMaker?

If there's no other reason you need EPS, you don't need to worry about
whether the drawing application can edit EPS files. In fact, you could
probably forget about EPS entirely, and export PDF or EMF to place in
FrameMaker.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Tammy Van Boening
<tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> Thank you everyone. This list is invaluable. OK, I understand all the ins
> and outs of the difference apps., and stuff about the subscription vs.
> perpetual licenses, so I have what I need for now. I am sure that I will
> have a few more questions later on today as I try to wrap up this process.
>
> Thank you everyone again.
>
> TVB
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Carol J. Elkins [mailto:celk...@awrittenword.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:38 AM
> To: Tammy Van Boening; 'Framers List'
> Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question
>
> Tammy, Photoshop really isn't set up to handle vector graphics, such as line
> drawings. But it can handle and output photos and screen captures. I use
> both but prefer Illustrator. Illustrator's native .ai format is the same as
> .eps. I import .ai photos by reference into Framemaker and it works
> seamlessly.
>
> Carol
>
> At 07:36 AM 9/7/2016, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
>>I know
>>that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
>>advantage/disadvantage of one over the other?
>
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

Xara may have issues with EPS.

http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?66467-EPS-in-Designer-Pro-X9

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
 wrote:
> I highly recommend the Xara products. I use their image editing and video 
> products with good results. I switched to their perpetual  licensed tools 
> when Adobe went cloud licensed based.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

I highly recommend the Xara products. I use their image editing and video 
products with good results. I switched to their perpetual  licensed tools when 
Adobe went cloud licensed based.

Z

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On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 9:05 AM -0700, "Shmuel Wolfson" 
> wrote:

Inkscape is free vector-based drawing program that can save as EPS.
https://inkscape.org/en/
Xara is a cheap vector-based drawing program that can save as EPS.
http://www.xara.com/eu/photo-graphic-designer/features/

--
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Technical Writer
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On 07-Sep-16 4:36 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
> just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
> requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
> start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
> that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
> advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
> work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
> leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
> this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
> license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
> tools?
>
> Thanks!
>
> TVB
>
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

I don't know about Illustrator, but Photoshop CS 6 was the last one before 
Creative Cloud, as I recall.

Z

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On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 7:10 AM -0700, "Tammy Van Boening" 
> wrote:

What were the last versions of Photoshop and AI that were sold with a
perpetual license before they got sucked up into this subscription mode as
part of CS?

Thank you!

TVB


-Original Message-
From: Framers
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On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:36 AM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

Hi All,

I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
tools?

Thanks!

TVB

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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

Creative Suite 6 was the last version for which Adobe sells perpetual
licenses. You can still download it and buy a license from Adobe but
only by phone.

https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/cs6-product-downloads.html

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Craig, Alison  wrote:
> I know Creative Suite 5.5 was definitely perpetual license and based on a 
> quick eBay search, so was CS 6.0.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Craig, Alison]

I know Creative Suite 5.5 was definitely perpetual license and based on a quick 
eBay search, so was CS 6.0.


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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 10:25 AM
To: 'Carol J. Elkins'; 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

Thank you everyone. This list is invaluable. OK, I understand all the ins
and outs of the difference apps., and stuff about the subscription vs.
perpetual licenses, so I have what I need for now. I am sure that I will
have a few more questions later on today as I try to wrap up this process.

Thank you everyone again.

TVB



-Original Message-
From: Carol J. Elkins [mailto:celk...@awrittenword.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:38 AM
To: Tammy Van Boening; 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

Tammy, Photoshop really isn't set up to handle vector graphics, such as line
drawings. But it can handle and output photos and screen captures. I use
both but prefer Illustrator. Illustrator's native .ai format is the same as
.eps. I import .ai photos by reference into Framemaker and it works
seamlessly.

Carol

At 07:36 AM 9/7/2016, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
>I know
>that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
>advantage/disadvantage of one over the other?


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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thank you everyone. This list is invaluable. OK, I understand all the ins
and outs of the difference apps., and stuff about the subscription vs.
perpetual licenses, so I have what I need for now. I am sure that I will
have a few more questions later on today as I try to wrap up this process.

Thank you everyone again.

TVB



-Original Message-
From: Carol J. Elkins [mailto:celk...@awrittenword.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:38 AM
To: Tammy Van Boening; 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

Tammy, Photoshop really isn't set up to handle vector graphics, such as line
drawings. But it can handle and output photos and screen captures. I use
both but prefer Illustrator. Illustrator's native .ai format is the same as
.eps. I import .ai photos by reference into Framemaker and it works
seamlessly.

Carol

At 07:36 AM 9/7/2016, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
>I know
>that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an 
>advantage/disadvantage of one over the other?


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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

Inkscape can't open EPS files, so you have to convert them:

https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#how-to-open-eps-files-in-windows
http://kristarella.com/2010/03/edit-eps-files-in-inkscape-on-mac

Then exporting to EPS when you're done is problematic:

http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2013/08/12/how-to-produce-vector-eps-with-cmyk-color-using-free-software
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Scott Prentice]

I'd take a good look at Inkscape. It probably does all you need, is a 
good vector graphics editor, and is free (open source) ..


https://inkscape.org/

Between PS and AI, you'd want to use AI for EPS. Assuming you're using 
EPS because you want vector graphics, AI is a vector graphics editor. 
While PS can export EPS, that's not what PS was designed for.


However, neither of these are available as a perpetual license (AFAIK). 
Here are other choices for vector graphics editors ..


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_vector_graphics_editors

Cheers,
...scott


On 9/7/16 6:36 AM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

Hi All,

I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
tools?

Thanks!

TVB

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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Robert Lauriston]

Illustrator is for vector graphics, Photoshop is for bitmaps. EPS is a
vector format, so you should use Illustrator to edit it. You can sort
of edit EPS in Photoshop, but not really.

If you really need to edit EPS, I would not mess around with anything
but Illustrator. Is that really a hard requirement and if so why?

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Tammy Van Boening
 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
> just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
> requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
> start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
> that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
> advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
> work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
> leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
> this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
> license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
> tools?
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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Inkscape is free vector-based drawing program that can save as EPS.
https://inkscape.org/en/
Xara is a cheap vector-based drawing program that can save as EPS.
http://www.xara.com/eu/photo-graphic-designer/features/

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133


On 07-Sep-16 4:36 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

Hi All,

I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
tools?

Thanks!

TVB

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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Carol J. Elkins]

Tammy, Photoshop really isn't set up to handle vector graphics, such 
as line drawings. But it can handle and output photos and screen 
captures. I use both but prefer Illustrator. Illustrator's native .ai 
format is the same as .eps. I import .ai photos by reference into 
Framemaker and it works seamlessly.


Carol

At 07:36 AM 9/7/2016, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other?


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Re: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

[Tammy Van Boening]

What were the last versions of Photoshop and AI that were sold with a
perpetual license before they got sucked up into this subscription mode as
part of CS?

Thank you!

TVB


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On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:36 AM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: [Framers] OT: Adobe Tool Question

Hi All,

I need to start work with EPS graphics for a project and I currently have
just SnagIt in my arsenal of tools. It has served me fine until this
requirement, and I am sure that working with EPS graphics is probably the
start of other graphic considerations for me. My question is this: I know
that both AI and Photoshop can work with EPS graphics, but is there an
advantage/disadvantage of one over the other? I am considering only graphic
work requirements, no documentation development requirements, so I am
leaning more towards Photoshop, but I just wanted input from the gurus on
this list first. One big consideration - I just want a one-time perpetual
license, not a subscription. Is this still possible with either of these
tools?

Thanks!

TVB

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