Re: PDF to Word Conversion
I completely agree with Ankur. Solid PDF Tools is perfect for converting up to 100 pages documents. We are using it in our organization. However, it fails miserably when asked to cover longish and complex documents. Smile lets you release negative energy Regards, N. Jain http://www.neerajjain8.com From: Ankur Srivastava ankur.1...@gmail.com To: charlene_glo...@emainc.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:21:18 AM Subject: Re: PDF to Word Conversion Hi Charlene, I have used Solid PDF Tools converter for converting PDF to MS Word. This has yielded excellent results in terms of retaining the formatting, table and figure conversion, as well as editability. However, i am not sure for large docs extending up to 2000 pages, as is your case. HTH regards Ankur On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:58 PM, charlene_glo...@emainc.com wrote: Good morning, I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word, that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Charlene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as ankur.1...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ankur.1978%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as neerajja...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/neerajjain8%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF to Word Conversion
Hi all, I normally would never contradict Jeremy or Dov, but I don't think it's fair to say that PDF is designed to create manuals only for printing. In the olden days, yes, but not now. We provide all our docs in PDF to our customers, but we designed our manuals to be used primarily on line. We include links and other features to help users find and display information quickly. We're working on adding GUI walk-throughs using Captivate, and adding 3D animated graphics using Captivate and FM as well. But I agree with Jeremy on the FM to Word issue. We actually tried that with some of our docs because the enginering division in Japan does not have FM yet (sometime this year, hopefully). Yes, we could convert the docs with mif2go, but it's a real hassle to do the conversion, get their updates in word, update the FM docs, and then convert the updated docs back to Word again. It is just not a productive way to get edits. We finally got them to accept PDFs and use the reviewing capabilities to make comments and edits. It's what the tools were designed to do and it works. However, the above process does not work for info on new features, especially when they include drawings and/or screenshots. For that, they still send us Word docs because Word is currently the tool they have. Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems == -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]on Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:06 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: charlene_glo...@emainc.com Subject: Re: PDF to Word Conversion On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:28:13 -0500, charlene_glo...@emainc.com wrote: I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the entire document in word. As everyone else has said, this is a very, very, very Bad Idea. Word is simply not stable enough to use for docs that size, let alone the fact that it lacks so many common Frame features that you will spend much of your editing time gritting your teeth to avoid screaming... Ask him *why* he wants it in Word? If it's because he wants to edit using Word's Track Changes, fine, you can give him a Word copy, made with Mif2Go, any time he wants one. (Make one Word file per chapter, *not* one file of the whole book.) Then he can edit, send it back, and you can make his changes into proper writing when you edit them into the Frame version. Many of our customers use that workflow, and it works well. Is there anyway I could convert it to word, that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Going via PDF is another Bad Idea, because PDF is, as Dov said, a final format, designed for print. It is *not* an interchange format. Frame's native RTF export leaves a lot behind. Mif2Go does too, since there is nowhere to put a lot of Frame information in Word, but what does get there is complete, accurate, and looks remarkably like the Frame document it came from. You can try the free demo at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm and see for yourself if it will work for you. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcal...@earthlink.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF to Word Conversion
For the record, I NEVER said that PDF was designed to create manuals only for printing, but rather, that it is indeed a final form file format. That implies neither just printing nor just viewing. It does imply a fairly static document layout, though, with the possibility of limited interactivity. - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:42 PM To: Jeremy H. Griffith; framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: charlene_glo...@emainc.com Subject: RE: PDF to Word Conversion Hi all, I normally would never contradict Jeremy or Dov, but I don't think it's fair to say that PDF is designed to create manuals only for printing. In the olden days, yes, but not now. We provide all our docs in PDF to our customers, but we designed our manuals to be used primarily on line. We include links and other features to help users find and display information quickly. We're working on adding GUI walk-throughs using Captivate, and adding 3D animated graphics using Captivate and FM as well. But I agree with Jeremy on the FM to Word issue. We actually tried that with some of our docs because the enginering division in Japan does not have FM yet (sometime this year, hopefully). Yes, we could convert the docs with mif2go, but it's a real hassle to do the conversion, get their updates in word, update the FM docs, and then convert the updated docs back to Word again. It is just not a productive way to get edits. We finally got them to accept PDFs and use the reviewing capabilities to make comments and edits. It's what the tools were designed to do and it works. However, the above process does not work for info on new features, especially when they include drawings and/or screenshots. For that, they still send us Word docs because Word is currently the tool they have. Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF to Word Conversion
charlene_glo...@emainc.com wrote: Good morning, I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word, that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Don't convert the PDF, convert the source documents -- which I assume are FM, since you posted to this list. Use Mif2Go (www.omsys.com). Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF to Word Conversion
I agree with the other two posters. Go from your source document to Word. It's much much easier. And then run from this client. The problems of maintaining the drawing in an updated format, and 2000 pages with, I assume, an index and table of contents, would be very, very daunting if done in Word. Word isn't designed for that type of volume. Scott charlene_glo...@emainc.com wrote: Good morning, I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word, that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Charlene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as qui...@airmail.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF to Word Conversion
Here is a list of options: - In Acrobat Reader, select View Continuous. Then select all (CTRL+A) selects the entire document, rather than the single page. Copy it to your clipboard, and Paste Special into Microsoft Word. Converters: - BCL easyConverter Desktop ($19.95): http://www.pdfonline.com/easyconverter/ - PDF-to-Word: http://www.quick-pdf.com/ - OmniPage: www.scansoft.com/products/omnipage/pro/ - Solid Converter PDF: www.solidpdf.com - Gemini: www.iceni.com/gemini.htm - PDF Converter: www.nuance.com/pdfconverter - PdfGrabber: www.pdfgrabber.com - PDF-File: www.pdf-file.com - PDFEdit995 (part of the PDF995 suite) lets you output to Word DOC files without images: www.pdf995.com - Easy PDF to Word Converter by NeoRen Soft: http://software.techrepublic.com.com/download.aspx?docid=230542 - PDF2Office: www.recosoft.com - Able2Doc: www.investintech.com - 123FileConvert: www.123fileconvert.com - Easy PDF To Word Converter: www.pdf-to-html-word.com - PDF To Word: www.verypdf.com - DocSmartz PDF TO Word: www.docsmartz.net - PDF-TO-Word: www.convert-in.com - PDF Ripper: www.pdfpdf.com - AllPDFConverter: www.bcltechnologies.com - http://convertpdftoword.net/ -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF to Word Conversion - Caution
I have to agree with Scott. The entire reason for my company going to Frame was the twice-yearly corruption of our 300-page Word manual. Frame paid for itself within a year. Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of qui...@airmail.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:46 AM To: charlene_glo...@emainc.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: PDF to Word Conversion I agree with the other two posters. Go from your source document to Word. It's much much easier. And then run from this client. The problems of maintaining the drawing in an updated format, and 2000 pages with, I assume, an index and table of contents, would be very, very daunting if done in Word. Word isn't designed for that type of volume. Scott charlene_glo...@emainc.com wrote: Good morning, I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word, that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Charlene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as qui...@airmail.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as l...@astoria-pacific.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria-pacific.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF to Word Conversion
Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to address them with Frame and PDF. -Gillian -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of charlene_glo...@emainc.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:28 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF to Word Conversion Good morning, I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word, that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Charlene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gfl...@nanometrics.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF to Word Conversion
As you noted, the built-in support in Adobe Acrobat has, to write the PDF in Word format, is pretty darn limited for any serious documents. I have used PDF Convertor Professional (from www.nuance.com) to read PDF files into Word with much better results. However, the results STILL require a LOT of editing to get it to look close to the original. You are better off (wasting the time perhaps) convincing the client that they are making a serious mistake. However, if they are willing to pay you for all this fixup work, then it is their decision, I suppose. Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of charlene_glo...@emainc.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:28 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF to Word Conversion Good morning, I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word, that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Charlene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as syed.hos...@aeris.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris. net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF to Word Conversion
Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any edits that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations only. PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source document. The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best (if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst! The real problem of the OP is that the client just doesn't get it with regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no 1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is going to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content, functionality, formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting the issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to another or even one current printer driver instance to the next. - Dov -Original Message- From: Flato, Gillian Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to address them with Frame and PDF. -Gillian ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF to Word Conversion
I suspect Gillian meant Comment and annotate in a PDF not edit in the sense that a word-worker edits. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Dov Isaacs isa...@adobe.com wrote: Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any edits that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations only. PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source document. The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best (if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst! The real problem of the OP is that the client just doesn't get it with regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no 1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is going to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content, functionality, formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting the issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to another or even one current printer driver instance to the next. - Dov -Original Message- From: Flato, Gillian Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to address them with Frame and PDF. -Gillian ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF to Word Conversion
Dov, I am talking about the Send for Review feature where people can insert and delete text and make comments. That's what I mean by editable. -Dov -Original Message- From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:48 AM To: Flato, Gillian; charlene_glo...@emainc.com; Frame Users Subject: RE: PDF to Word Conversion Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any edits that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations only. PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source document. The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best (if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst! The real problem of the OP is that the client just doesn't get it with regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no 1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is going to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content, functionality, formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting the issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to another or even one current printer driver instance to the next. - Dov -Original Message- From: Flato, Gillian Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to address them with Frame and PDF. -Gillian ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF to Word Conversion
PDF XChange Viewer is a really easy-to-use (free) tool for commenting on PDFs. It's something that you do not have to teach the reviewers. It's self explanatory. And you do not have to allow users to comment on the PDF in order to use this tool. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 Dov Isaacs wrote: Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any edits that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations only. PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source document. The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best (if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst! The real problem of the OP is that the client just doesn't get it with regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no 1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is going to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content, functionality, formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting the issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to another or even one current printer driver instance to the next. - Dov -Original Message- From: Flato, Gillian Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to address them with Frame and PDF. -Gillian ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF to Word Conversion
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:28:13 -0500, charlene_glo...@emainc.com wrote: I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the entire document in word. As everyone else has said, this is a very, very, very Bad Idea. Word is simply not stable enough to use for docs that size, let alone the fact that it lacks so many common Frame features that you will spend much of your editing time gritting your teeth to avoid screaming... Ask him *why* he wants it in Word? If it's because he wants to edit using Word's Track Changes, fine, you can give him a Word copy, made with Mif2Go, any time he wants one. (Make one Word file per chapter, *not* one file of the whole book.) Then he can edit, send it back, and you can make his changes into proper writing when you edit them into the Frame version. Many of our customers use that workflow, and it works well. Is there anyway I could convert it to word, that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Going via PDF is another Bad Idea, because PDF is, as Dov said, a final format, designed for print. It is *not* an interchange format. Frame's native RTF export leaves a lot behind. Mif2Go does too, since there is nowhere to put a lot of Frame information in Word, but what does get there is complete, accurate, and looks remarkably like the Frame document it came from. You can try the free demo at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm and see for yourself if it will work for you. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF to Word Conversion
Hi Charlene, I have used Solid PDF Tools converter for converting PDF to MS Word. This has yielded excellent results in terms of retaining the formatting, table and figure conversion, as well as editability. However, i am not sure for large docs extending up to 2000 pages, as is your case. HTH regards Ankur On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:58 PM, charlene_glo...@emainc.com wrote: Good morning, I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word, that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Charlene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as ankur.1...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ankur.1978%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
