Smart way to achieve goal in FM
Thanks everyone, for the suggestions! I went with the single-column, multiple rows table approach. Now I get to beat WWP into submission! -Michael -Original Message- From: quills at airmail.net [mailto:qui...@airmail.net] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:34 PM To: Michael O'Neill Cc: framers Subject: Re: Smart way to achieve goal in FM I'd make a table format and set it up that way. Then you don't have any manual operations other than adding an additional row cell to break across pages. Scott At 2:08 PM -0400 9/12/08, Art Campbell wrote: >The way I'd deal with it is your table method. The usual way to allow >or force row/table breaks across pages is to use a multi-row single >column table with reasonable size text snippets in each row. Then use >custom ruling to eliminate the inter-row rules so that it appears to >be a single row. Yes, you have to do it manually, but if it's not a >big deal unless you're constantly doing twiddles to the content that >affect the size of the cells. > >Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent >and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358
Smart way to achieve goal in FM
Kristy Nolan (Kristy.Nolan at wnco.com) suggested: > What about a text inset, where the source document has the light grey > background? If that background in the source document is achieved via the master page, it is not imported as part of a text inset. Text insets only pull in the text that is in the specified flow in the source document. You can choose whether to use the paragraph and character formatting from the source file or the container file, or to import it as plain text, but there is no way to import anything that isn't directly connected with the paragraphs in the text flow. Fred Ridder
Smart way to achieve goal in FM
The way I'd deal with it is your table method. The usual way to allow or force row/table breaks across pages is to use a multi-row single column table with reasonable size text snippets in each row. Then use custom ruling to eliminate the inter-row rules so that it appears to be a single row. Yes, you have to do it manually, but if it's not a big deal unless you're constantly doing twiddles to the content that affect the size of the cells. Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Michael O'Neill wrote: > OK Folks, > > Here's a basic question for the gurus/experts. I've been using FM for a > number of years now, but recently I'm trying to do something that I > haven't done before so I'm not sure of the best way to achieve my > objective. > > Context: > The document I am authoring from scratch is an entry-level type document > that deals mostly with system concepts and strategies. It will link to > already extant procedures in the online help, installation guides, > etc... > > The document will be delivered as both a stand-alone PDF, and as part of > a merged help set produced with WWP2003. > > Goal: > One of the things my manager wants is a threaded/running > "Example/Scenario" section that will appear in various portions of the > book that will explain the concepts in terms of an actual example. > > Basically, this means introducing the Example scenario in the beginning > of the guide and corresponding sections of text in various and > subsequent chapters. > > I want this content to appear with a light gray background. How do I do > this? > > Here's what I've thought of: > > Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of > content appears. Problem (which may have its own solution): The one > cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can > break a row across a page. > > Adding a text frame for this content (from the graphics toolbar). Seems > do-able, as I can control the dimensions and background color of the > text frame. Only problem is WWP tends to put text frames at the end of > the chapter and not at the location in which they appear in the FM > document. > > Anyone have a good solution for this? Like I said, we've never wanted > to do this type of thing before, so I am likely missing something > obvious. I'm not averse to using the help or other references...but my > searches thus far have been hindered by not knowing a good keyword to > start with. Alternatively, am I missing something obvious? Is there a > paragraph style for background color that I've managed to miss > repeatedly? > > -Michael > -=- FrameMaker 6.x -=- > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Smart way to achieve goal in FM
I'd make a table format and set it up that way. Then you don't have any manual operations other than adding an additional row cell to break across pages. Scott At 2:08 PM -0400 9/12/08, Art Campbell wrote: >The way I'd deal with it is your table method. The usual way to allow >or force row/table breaks across pages is to use a multi-row single >column table with reasonable size text snippets in each row. Then use >custom ruling to eliminate the inter-row rules so that it appears to >be a single row. Yes, you have to do it manually, but if it's not a >big deal unless you're constantly doing twiddles to the content that >affect the size of the cells. > >Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent >and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358
Smart way to achieve goal in FM
What about a text inset, where the source document has the light grey background? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael O'Neill Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:03 PM To: framers Subject: Smart way to achieve goal in FM OK Folks, Here's a basic question for the gurus/experts. I've been using FM for a number of years now, but recently I'm trying to do something that I haven't done before so I'm not sure of the best way to achieve my objective. Context: The document I am authoring from scratch is an entry-level type document that deals mostly with system concepts and strategies. It will link to already extant procedures in the online help, installation guides, etc... The document will be delivered as both a stand-alone PDF, and as part of a merged help set produced with WWP2003. Goal: One of the things my manager wants is a threaded/running "Example/Scenario" section that will appear in various portions of the book that will explain the concepts in terms of an actual example. Basically, this means introducing the Example scenario in the beginning of the guide and corresponding sections of text in various and subsequent chapters. I want this content to appear with a light gray background. How do I do this? Here's what I've thought of: Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of content appears. Problem (which may have its own solution): The one cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can break a row across a page. Adding a text frame for this content (from the graphics toolbar). Seems do-able, as I can control the dimensions and background color of the text frame. Only problem is WWP tends to put text frames at the end of the chapter and not at the location in which they appear in the FM document. Anyone have a good solution for this? Like I said, we've never wanted to do this type of thing before, so I am likely missing something obvious. I'm not averse to using the help or other references...but my searches thus far have been hindered by not knowing a good keyword to start with. Alternatively, am I missing something obvious? Is there a paragraph style for background color that I've managed to miss repeatedly? -Michael -=- FrameMaker 6.x -=- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kristy.nolan at wnco.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kristy.nolan%40wnco. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Smart way to achieve goal in FM
OK Folks, Here's a basic question for the gurus/experts. I've been using FM for a number of years now, but recently I'm trying to do something that I haven't done before so I'm not sure of the best way to achieve my objective. Context: The document I am authoring from scratch is an entry-level type document that deals mostly with system concepts and strategies. It will link to already extant procedures in the online help, installation guides, etc... The document will be delivered as both a stand-alone PDF, and as part of a merged help set produced with WWP2003. Goal: One of the things my manager wants is a threaded/running "Example/Scenario" section that will appear in various portions of the book that will explain the concepts in terms of an actual example. Basically, this means introducing the Example scenario in the beginning of the guide and corresponding sections of text in various and subsequent chapters. I want this content to appear with a light gray background. How do I do this? Here's what I've thought of: Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of content appears. Problem (which may have its own solution): The one cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can break a row across a page. Adding a text frame for this content (from the graphics toolbar). Seems do-able, as I can control the dimensions and background color of the text frame. Only problem is WWP tends to put text frames at the end of the chapter and not at the location in which they appear in the FM document. Anyone have a good solution for this? Like I said, we've never wanted to do this type of thing before, so I am likely missing something obvious. I'm not averse to using the help or other references...but my searches thus far have been hindered by not knowing a good keyword to start with. Alternatively, am I missing something obvious? Is there a paragraph style for background color that I've managed to miss repeatedly? -Michael -=- FrameMaker 6.x -=-
RE: Smart way to achieve goal in FM
Thanks everyone, for the suggestions! I went with the single-column, multiple rows table approach. Now I get to beat WWP into submission! -Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:34 PM To: Michael O'Neill Cc: framers Subject: Re: Smart way to achieve goal in FM I'd make a table format and set it up that way. Then you don't have any manual operations other than adding an additional row cell to break across pages. Scott At 2:08 PM -0400 9/12/08, Art Campbell wrote: >The way I'd deal with it is your table method. The usual way to allow >or force row/table breaks across pages is to use a multi-row single >column table with reasonable size text snippets in each row. Then use >custom ruling to eliminate the inter-row rules so that it appears to >be a single row. Yes, you have to do it manually, but if it's not a >big deal unless you're constantly doing twiddles to the content that >affect the size of the cells. > >Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent >and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Smart way to achieve goal in FM
Michael O'Neill wrote: > Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of > content appears. Problem (which may have its own solution): The one > cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can > break a row across a page. This is the best solution, IMHO. Define a borderless (or outside border only, if you want one) table format with the shading you want. Define (or pick) a pgf format set up so that its Table Cell settings will produce the correct inter-paragraph spacing between cells. Then convert the text to a one-column table with one pgf per cell. If you have long pgfs that you want to split across pages, you'll need to manually break them into two rows, but I'd recommend avoiding that. HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Re: Smart way to achieve goal in FM
I'd make a table format and set it up that way. Then you don't have any manual operations other than adding an additional row cell to break across pages. Scott At 2:08 PM -0400 9/12/08, Art Campbell wrote: >The way I'd deal with it is your table method. The usual way to allow >or force row/table breaks across pages is to use a multi-row single >column table with reasonable size text snippets in each row. Then use >custom ruling to eliminate the inter-row rules so that it appears to >be a single row. Yes, you have to do it manually, but if it's not a >big deal unless you're constantly doing twiddles to the content that >affect the size of the cells. > >Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent >and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Smart way to achieve goal in FM
Michael O'Neill wrote: > Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of > content appears. Problem (which may have its own solution): The one > cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can > break a row across a page. This is the best solution, IMHO. Define a borderless (or outside border only, if you want one) table format with the shading you want. Define (or pick) a pgf format set up so that its Table Cell settings will produce the correct inter-paragraph spacing between cells. Then convert the text to a one-column table with one pgf per cell. If you have long pgfs that you want to split across pages, you'll need to manually break them into two rows, but I'd recommend avoiding that. HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Smart way to achieve goal in FM
Kristy Nolan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) suggested: > What about a text inset, where the source document has the light grey > background? If that background in the source document is achieved via the master page, it is not imported as part of a text inset. Text insets only pull in the text that is in the specified flow in the source document. You can choose whether to use the paragraph and character formatting from the source file or the container file, or to import it as plain text, but there is no way to import anything that isn't directly connected with the paragraphs in the text flow. Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Smart way to achieve goal in FM
What about a text inset, where the source document has the light grey background? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael O'Neill Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:03 PM To: framers Subject: Smart way to achieve goal in FM OK Folks, Here's a basic question for the gurus/experts. I've been using FM for a number of years now, but recently I'm trying to do something that I haven't done before so I'm not sure of the best way to achieve my objective. Context: The document I am authoring from scratch is an entry-level type document that deals mostly with system concepts and strategies. It will link to already extant procedures in the online help, installation guides, etc... The document will be delivered as both a stand-alone PDF, and as part of a merged help set produced with WWP2003. Goal: One of the things my manager wants is a threaded/running "Example/Scenario" section that will appear in various portions of the book that will explain the concepts in terms of an actual example. Basically, this means introducing the Example scenario in the beginning of the guide and corresponding sections of text in various and subsequent chapters. I want this content to appear with a light gray background. How do I do this? Here's what I've thought of: Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of content appears. Problem (which may have its own solution): The one cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can break a row across a page. Adding a text frame for this content (from the graphics toolbar). Seems do-able, as I can control the dimensions and background color of the text frame. Only problem is WWP tends to put text frames at the end of the chapter and not at the location in which they appear in the FM document. Anyone have a good solution for this? Like I said, we've never wanted to do this type of thing before, so I am likely missing something obvious. I'm not averse to using the help or other references...but my searches thus far have been hindered by not knowing a good keyword to start with. Alternatively, am I missing something obvious? Is there a paragraph style for background color that I've managed to miss repeatedly? -Michael -=- FrameMaker 6.x -=- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kristy.nolan%40wnco. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Smart way to achieve goal in FM
The way I'd deal with it is your table method. The usual way to allow or force row/table breaks across pages is to use a multi-row single column table with reasonable size text snippets in each row. Then use custom ruling to eliminate the inter-row rules so that it appears to be a single row. Yes, you have to do it manually, but if it's not a big deal unless you're constantly doing twiddles to the content that affect the size of the cells. Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Michael O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK Folks, > > Here's a basic question for the gurus/experts. I've been using FM for a > number of years now, but recently I'm trying to do something that I > haven't done before so I'm not sure of the best way to achieve my > objective. > > Context: > The document I am authoring from scratch is an entry-level type document > that deals mostly with system concepts and strategies. It will link to > already extant procedures in the online help, installation guides, > etc... > > The document will be delivered as both a stand-alone PDF, and as part of > a merged help set produced with WWP2003. > > Goal: > One of the things my manager wants is a threaded/running > "Example/Scenario" section that will appear in various portions of the > book that will explain the concepts in terms of an actual example. > > Basically, this means introducing the Example scenario in the beginning > of the guide and corresponding sections of text in various and > subsequent chapters. > > I want this content to appear with a light gray background. How do I do > this? > > Here's what I've thought of: > > Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of > content appears. Problem (which may have its own solution): The one > cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can > break a row across a page. > > Adding a text frame for this content (from the graphics toolbar). Seems > do-able, as I can control the dimensions and background color of the > text frame. Only problem is WWP tends to put text frames at the end of > the chapter and not at the location in which they appear in the FM > document. > > Anyone have a good solution for this? Like I said, we've never wanted > to do this type of thing before, so I am likely missing something > obvious. I'm not averse to using the help or other references...but my > searches thus far have been hindered by not knowing a good keyword to > start with. Alternatively, am I missing something obvious? Is there a > paragraph style for background color that I've managed to miss > repeatedly? > > -Michael > -=- FrameMaker 6.x -=- > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Smart way to achieve goal in FM
OK Folks, Here's a basic question for the gurus/experts. I've been using FM for a number of years now, but recently I'm trying to do something that I haven't done before so I'm not sure of the best way to achieve my objective. Context: The document I am authoring from scratch is an entry-level type document that deals mostly with system concepts and strategies. It will link to already extant procedures in the online help, installation guides, etc... The document will be delivered as both a stand-alone PDF, and as part of a merged help set produced with WWP2003. Goal: One of the things my manager wants is a threaded/running "Example/Scenario" section that will appear in various portions of the book that will explain the concepts in terms of an actual example. Basically, this means introducing the Example scenario in the beginning of the guide and corresponding sections of text in various and subsequent chapters. I want this content to appear with a light gray background. How do I do this? Here's what I've thought of: Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of content appears. Problem (which may have its own solution): The one cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can break a row across a page. Adding a text frame for this content (from the graphics toolbar). Seems do-able, as I can control the dimensions and background color of the text frame. Only problem is WWP tends to put text frames at the end of the chapter and not at the location in which they appear in the FM document. Anyone have a good solution for this? Like I said, we've never wanted to do this type of thing before, so I am likely missing something obvious. I'm not averse to using the help or other references...but my searches thus far have been hindered by not knowing a good keyword to start with. Alternatively, am I missing something obvious? Is there a paragraph style for background color that I've managed to miss repeatedly? -Michael -=- FrameMaker 6.x -=- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
