Still no Hebrew/Arabic?
This is not truly correct. I have been working in languages for over 15 years. I have been doing laying out Arabic and Hebrew for at least 5 now. I never change the language settings to work in any language. The software, such as InDesign ME (Middle Eastern Version) is made to work without having to change you language settings. I work on both Mac and Windows and I stay in the English language setting. Z ** Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. Language Layout, Translation Consulting, & Template Creation Phone: (336)922-1271 Fax:?? (336)922-4980 Cell:? (336)456-4493 Cell 2:(336)655-4783 http://www.a2z-pub.com ** -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of tom.kohn at kodak.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:30 PM To: richard.combs at Polycom.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Still no Hebrew/Arabic? Hello Richard and List- Entering text in a right-to-left language is not a function of FrameMaker, but of Windows. Most settings for the language are made in Start > Control Panel > Regional and Language Options 1. Set all numeric, date, time, and language settings for the region (note almost all Arabic-speaking countries have different settings available). 2. Under the Languages tab, select "Install files for complex script and right-to-left languages". 3. If you have non-US keyboards or other text entry devices, select Details (still under the Languages tab) and add the services installed on your computer. * 4. If your text does not use Unicode, under the Advanced tab, select the code page conversion tables. * Note it is possible to use a US keyboard, although you need to learn the keyboard layout that will usurp the US layout when you have the right-to-left language invoked. Now in FrameMaker or any other software, set the Format > Font and/or Paragraph Designer > Default Font for displaying the right-to-left language in the Paragraph Styles for the language. By displaying Windows Language bar, you can easily switch from one language format or keyboard layout to another. Caveats: !I've experienced some bugs in the Language bar or multiple availability of keyboard layouts, where the keyboard layout occasionally switches without warning--though this may be from use of some function-key usages. !Microsoft has incompletely supported Farsi, though they claim that their support is fully implemented. Two important letters are inaccessible. The same may be true for Hebrew and some Indic languages. It appears that more "purely" Arabic languages are fully supported. !I haven't experimented with using Unicode for text entry. Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering Services | Eastman Kodak Company | 3000 Research Blvd | Dayton, OH 45420-4003 | tom.kohn at kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | +01 937-259-3784 Fax | www.graphics.kodak.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as azdunczyk at triad.rr.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/azdunczyk%40triad.rr.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Still no Hebrew/Arabic?
Hello Richard and List- Entering text in a right-to-left language is not a function of FrameMaker, but of Windows. Most settings for the language are made in Start > Control Panel > Regional and Language Options 1. Set all numeric, date, time, and language settings for the region (note almost all Arabic-speaking countries have different settings available). 2. Under the Languages tab, select "Install files for complex script and right-to-left languages". 3. If you have non-US keyboards or other text entry devices, select Details (still under the Languages tab) and add the services installed on your computer. * 4. If your text does not use Unicode, under the Advanced tab, select the code page conversion tables. * Note it is possible to use a US keyboard, although you need to learn the keyboard layout that will usurp the US layout when you have the right-to-left language invoked. Now in FrameMaker or any other software, set the Format > Font and/or Paragraph Designer > Default Font for displaying the right-to-left language in the Paragraph Styles for the language. By displaying Windows Language bar, you can easily switch from one language format or keyboard layout to another. Caveats: !I've experienced some bugs in the Language bar or multiple availability of keyboard layouts, where the keyboard layout occasionally switches without warning--though this may be from use of some function-key usages. !Microsoft has incompletely supported Farsi, though they claim that their support is fully implemented. Two important letters are inaccessible. The same may be true for Hebrew and some Indic languages. It appears that more "purely" Arabic languages are fully supported. !I haven't experimented with using Unicode for text entry. Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering Services | Eastman Kodak Company | 3000 Research Blvd | Dayton, OH 45420-4003 | tom.kohn at kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | +01 937-259-3784 Fax | www.graphics.kodak.com
RE: Still no Hebrew/Arabic?
This is not truly correct. I have been working in languages for over 15 years. I have been doing laying out Arabic and Hebrew for at least 5 now. I never change the language settings to work in any language. The software, such as InDesign ME (Middle Eastern Version) is made to work without having to change you language settings. I work on both Mac and Windows and I stay in the English language setting. Z ** Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. Language Layout, Translation Consulting, & Template Creation Phone: (336)922-1271 Fax: (336)922-4980 Cell: (336)456-4493 Cell 2:(336)655-4783 http://www.a2z-pub.com ** -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of tom.k...@kodak.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:30 PM To: richard.co...@polycom.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Still no Hebrew/Arabic? Hello Richard and List- Entering text in a right-to-left language is not a function of FrameMaker, but of Windows. Most settings for the language are made in Start > Control Panel > Regional and Language Options 1. Set all numeric, date, time, and language settings for the region (note almost all Arabic-speaking countries have different settings available). 2. Under the Languages tab, select "Install files for complex script and right-to-left languages". 3. If you have non-US keyboards or other text entry devices, select Details (still under the Languages tab) and add the services installed on your computer. * 4. If your text does not use Unicode, under the Advanced tab, select the code page conversion tables. * Note it is possible to use a US keyboard, although you need to learn the keyboard layout that will usurp the US layout when you have the right-to-left language invoked. Now in FrameMaker or any other software, set the Format > Font and/or Paragraph Designer > Default Font for displaying the right-to-left language in the Paragraph Styles for the language. By displaying Windows Language bar, you can easily switch from one language format or keyboard layout to another. Caveats: !I've experienced some bugs in the Language bar or multiple availability of keyboard layouts, where the keyboard layout occasionally switches without warning--though this may be from use of some function-key usages. !Microsoft has incompletely supported Farsi, though they claim that their support is fully implemented. Two important letters are inaccessible. The same may be true for Hebrew and some Indic languages. It appears that more "purely" Arabic languages are fully supported. !I haven't experimented with using Unicode for text entry. Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering Services | Eastman Kodak Company | 3000 Research Blvd | Dayton, OH 45420-4003 | tom.k...@kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | +01 937-259-3784 Fax | www.graphics.kodak.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as azdunc...@triad.rr.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/azdunczyk%40triad.rr.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Still no Hebrew/Arabic?
Hello Richard and List- Entering text in a right-to-left language is not a function of FrameMaker, but of Windows. Most settings for the language are made in Start > Control Panel > Regional and Language Options 1. Set all numeric, date, time, and language settings for the region (note almost all Arabic-speaking countries have different settings available). 2. Under the Languages tab, select "Install files for complex script and right-to-left languages". 3. If you have non-US keyboards or other text entry devices, select Details (still under the Languages tab) and add the services installed on your computer. * 4. If your text does not use Unicode, under the Advanced tab, select the code page conversion tables. * Note it is possible to use a US keyboard, although you need to learn the keyboard layout that will usurp the US layout when you have the right-to-left language invoked. Now in FrameMaker or any other software, set the Format > Font and/or Paragraph Designer > Default Font for displaying the right-to-left language in the Paragraph Styles for the language. By displaying Windows Language bar, you can easily switch from one language format or keyboard layout to another. Caveats: !I've experienced some bugs in the Language bar or multiple availability of keyboard layouts, where the keyboard layout occasionally switches without warning--though this may be from use of some function-key usages. !Microsoft has incompletely supported Farsi, though they claim that their support is fully implemented. Two important letters are inaccessible. The same may be true for Hebrew and some Indic languages. It appears that more "purely" Arabic languages are fully supported. !I haven't experimented with using Unicode for text entry. Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering Services | Eastman Kodak Company | 3000 Research Blvd | Dayton, OH 45420-4003 | tom.k...@kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | +01 937-259-3784 Fax | www.graphics.kodak.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Still no Hebrew/Arabic?
Richard, You wrote: >I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages, >but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd >double-check with the list. That's correct -- no news with respect to right-to-left languages in FM9. With all versions of FrameMaker/Windows, you can add some isolated strings in Hebrew/Arabic (but without correlation between cursor location/selected text and the "real" insertion point). >I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code >base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible >-- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special >insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen? My speculation is that support for right-to-left languages does not seem likely, despite the implementation of Unicode in FM. Shlomo Perets MicroType * FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers 30 Easy Ways to Improve PDFs with TimeSavers/Assistants: http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html
RE: Still no Hebrew/Arabic?
FWIW, FrameMaker's code base was not "rewritten" but rather, modified to support Unicode. Unicode support does not necessarily include support for "input methods" for all writing systems. FrameMaker doesn't have input methods for either Hebrew or Arabic, which by the way although both are right-to-left languages each have to have their own input method when considering issues associated with ligatures, vowels, etc. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Shlomo Perets > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:01 AM > > Richard, > > You wrote: > > >I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages, > >but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd > >double-check with the list. > > That's correct -- no news with respect to right-to-left languages in FM9. > > With all versions of FrameMaker/Windows, you can add some isolated strings > in Hebrew/Arabic (but without correlation between cursor location/selected > text and the "real" insertion point). > > >I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code > >base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible > >-- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special > >insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen? > > My speculation is that support for right-to-left languages does not seem > likely, despite the implementation of Unicode in FM. > > > Shlomo Perets ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Still no Hebrew/Arabic?
FWIW, FrameMaker's code base was not "rewritten" but rather, modified to support Unicode. Unicode support does not necessarily include support for "input methods" for all writing systems. FrameMaker doesn't have input methods for either Hebrew or Arabic, which by the way although both are right-to-left languages each have to have their own input method when considering issues associated with ligatures, vowels, etc. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Shlomo Perets > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:01 AM > > Richard, > > You wrote: > > >I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages, > >but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd > >double-check with the list. > > That's correct -- no news with respect to right-to-left languages in FM9. > > With all versions of FrameMaker/Windows, you can add some isolated strings > in Hebrew/Arabic (but without correlation between cursor location/selected > text and the "real" insertion point). > > >I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code > >base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible > >-- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special > >insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen? > > My speculation is that support for right-to-left languages does not seem > likely, despite the implementation of Unicode in FM. > > > Shlomo Perets
Re: Still no Hebrew/Arabic?
Richard, You wrote: >I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages, >but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd >double-check with the list. That's correct -- no news with respect to right-to-left languages in FM9. With all versions of FrameMaker/Windows, you can add some isolated strings in Hebrew/Arabic (but without correlation between cursor location/selected text and the "real" insertion point). >I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code >base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible >-- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special >insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen? My speculation is that support for right-to-left languages does not seem likely, despite the implementation of Unicode in FM. Shlomo Perets MicroType * FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers 30 Easy Ways to Improve PDFs with TimeSavers/Assistants: http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Still no Hebrew/Arabic?
I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages, but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd double-check with the list. I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible -- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen? TIA! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Still no Hebrew/Arabic?
I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages, but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd double-check with the list. I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible -- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen? TIA! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
