Those old book numbering blues

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Steve,

There is an excellent document on autonumbering at the FrameUsers.com.
You will find it under the Website Subsections Downloads.

Happy rest of Christmas (in Iceland we have 13 days of Christmas!).
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On 12/19/05, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
> At 9:17 am +1100 19/12/05, hedley.finger at myob.com wrote:
>
> >With this scheme, you don't need numbering flows, e.g.
> >  Chaps Whatever  Sects  Figs   Tables  Eqns   Steps
> >Substeps
> > Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >   < =0>  < =0>  < =0>   < =0>  < =0>  <
> >=0>
> >
> >See the section "Using counters in autonumber formats" in the "Text
> >formatting" chapter of the User Guide.
>
> Yup, I'm now well-educated on complex numbering formats. In fact, I used to 
> know all this from pre version 5 days (honest), but I'd archived the 
> knowledge since the advent of simpler schemes based on $chapnum and named 
> threads. I rarely use multi-level numbering.
>
> Thanks to your and Roger Shuttleworth's help, I am now well re-educated and 
> have numbering working exactly as I want. Roger was particularly patient with 
> me as I floundered my way through sorting the problems out, even to the point 
> of telling him firmly that it did not work when it did.
>
> This subject needs better explanation than it gets in the user guide. One 
> thing that is specifically counter-intuitive and needs to be spelled out very 
> firmly is that fact that separate numbering fields within a thread do not 
> necessarily map to separate level counters in a multi-level numbering scheme, 
> which is what one might intuitively expect.
>
> My thanks to all.
> --
> Steve

Re: Those old book numbering blues

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Steve,

There is an excellent document on autonumbering at the FrameUsers.com.
You will find it under the Website Subsections Downloads.

Happy rest of Christmas (in Iceland we have 13 days of Christmas!).
Bodvar
---
On how the feast of the rebirth of the Sun became Christsmas, see:
http://klingenberg.blogspot.com

On 12/19/05, Steve Rickaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 9:17 am +1100 19/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >With this scheme, you don't need numbering flows, e.g.
> >  Chaps Whatever  Sects  Figs   Tables  Eqns   Steps
> >Substeps
> > Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >   < =0>  < =0>  < =0>   < =0>  < =0>  <
> >=0>
> >
> >See the section "Using counters in autonumber formats" in the "Text
> >formatting" chapter of the User Guide.
>
> Yup, I'm now well-educated on complex numbering formats. In fact, I used to 
> know all this from pre version 5 days (honest), but I'd archived the 
> knowledge since the advent of simpler schemes based on $chapnum and named 
> threads. I rarely use multi-level numbering.
>
> Thanks to your and Roger Shuttleworth's help, I am now well re-educated and 
> have numbering working exactly as I want. Roger was particularly patient with 
> me as I floundered my way through sorting the problems out, even to the point 
> of telling him firmly that it did not work when it did.
>
> This subject needs better explanation than it gets in the user guide. One 
> thing that is specifically counter-intuitive and needs to be spelled out very 
> firmly is that fact that separate numbering fields within a thread do not 
> necessarily map to separate level counters in a multi-level numbering scheme, 
> which is what one might intuitively expect.
>
> My thanks to all.
> --
> Steve
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RE: Those old book numbering blues

[Steve Rickaby]

At 9:17 am +1100 19/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>With this scheme, you don't need numbering flows, e.g.
>  Chaps Whatever  Sects  Figs   Tables  Eqns   Steps
>Substeps
> Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >   < =0>  < =0>  < =0>   < =0>  < =0>  <
>=0>
>
>See the section "Using counters in autonumber formats" in the "Text
>formatting" chapter of the User Guide.

Yup, I'm now well-educated on complex numbering formats. In fact, I used to 
know all this from pre version 5 days (honest), but I'd archived the knowledge 
since the advent of simpler schemes based on $chapnum and named threads. I 
rarely use multi-level numbering.

Thanks to your and Roger Shuttleworth's help, I am now well re-educated and 
have numbering working exactly as I want. Roger was particularly patient with 
me as I floundered my way through sorting the problems out, even to the point 
of telling him firmly that it did not work when it did.

This subject needs better explanation than it gets in the user guide. One thing 
that is specifically counter-intuitive and needs to be spelled out very firmly 
is that fact that separate numbering fields within a thread do not necessarily 
map to separate level counters in a multi-level numbering scheme, which is what 
one might intuitively expect.

My thanks to all.
-- 
Steve
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Those old book numbering blues

[Steve Rickaby]

At 9:17 am +1100 19/12/05, hedley.finger at myob.com wrote:

>With this scheme, you don't need numbering flows, e.g.
>  Chaps Whatever  Sects  Figs   Tables  Eqns   Steps
>Substeps
> Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >   < =0>  < =0>  < =0>   < =0>  < =0>  <
>=0>
>
>See the section "Using counters in autonumber formats" in the "Text
>formatting" chapter of the User Guide.

Yup, I'm now well-educated on complex numbering formats. In fact, I used to 
know all this from pre version 5 days (honest), but I'd archived the knowledge 
since the advent of simpler schemes based on $chapnum and named threads. I 
rarely use multi-level numbering.

Thanks to your and Roger Shuttleworth's help, I am now well re-educated and 
have numbering working exactly as I want. Roger was particularly patient with 
me as I floundered my way through sorting the problems out, even to the point 
of telling him firmly that it did not work when it did.

This subject needs better explanation than it gets in the user guide. One thing 
that is specifically counter-intuitive and needs to be spelled out very firmly 
is that fact that separate numbering fields within a thread do not necessarily 
map to separate level counters in a multi-level numbering scheme, which is what 
one might intuitively expect.

My thanks to all.
-- 
Steve

Those old book numbering blues

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

Steve:

> >Then set your chapter title numbering as follows:
> >
> >Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>
> >
> >The < > placeholder after <$chapnum> is the one you want to continue
> >through the book. The < =0> resetters are for the numbering you
> >want to restart for each chapter, e.g. figure, table, equation
> >numbering, etc.  Is this what you want?
> 
> I'm not sure. How would this reset named numbering threads, such as
> 'T:<$chapnum>.'?

With this scheme, you don't need numbering flows, e.g.
  Chaps Whatever  Sects  Figs   Tables  Eqns   Steps 
Substeps
 Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >   < =0>  < =0>  < =0>   < =0>  < =0>  < 
=0>

See the section "Using counters in autonumber formats" in the "Text 
formatting" chapter of the User Guide.

Regards,
Hedley

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Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

? MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2005

RE: Those old book numbering blues

[hedley . finger]

Steve:

> >Then set your chapter title numbering as follows:
> >
> >Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>
> >
> >The < > placeholder after <$chapnum> is the one you want to continue
> >through the book. The < =0> resetters are for the numbering you
> >want to restart for each chapter, e.g. figure, table, equation
> >numbering, etc.  Is this what you want?
> 
> I'm not sure. How would this reset named numbering threads, such as
> 'T:<$chapnum>.'?

With this scheme, you don't need numbering flows, e.g.
  Chaps Whatever  Sects  Figs   Tables  Eqns   Steps 
Substeps
 Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >   < =0>  < =0>  < =0>   < =0>  < =0>  < 
=0>

See the section "Using counters in autonumber formats" in the "Text 
formatting" chapter of the User Guide.

Regards,
Hedley

--
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Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

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Those old book numbering blues

[Steve Rickaby]

I said...

>I am using one autonumber thread to control stuff that needs to flow through a 
>book. I just wanted to check that in this case, i.e. paragraph number threads 
>not reset between chapters, there is no alternative to creating a separate 
> paragraph clone for all the numbered paragraphs. Anyone know any good 
>tricks?
>
>FrameScript is not an option for this job, but the final template will be 
>structured.

but I don't think I was being clear enough, so here goes again...

I have a series of numbering threads that run through a book, for figures, 
tables and so on, of the form ':<$chapnum>.' - a fairly normal 
situation. These need to restart for each chapter, to give 4.1, 4.2 etc or 
whatever. However, I have one numbering thread that I do *not* want to reset 
for each chapter.

As far as I know, the only way to do this is to reset the chapter-level 
numbering threads using a special ':<$chapnum>.' (sorry, not 
, as I originally posted) paragraph tag for the first instance of each 
respective numbering thread in each chapter. I'd like to avoid that, but cannot 
see how. That's what I was asking - is there some clever way of avoiding this 
tag duplication?

I'd like to find a solution that works in unstructured FrameMaker,  but I'm 
also interest in whether numbering thread resetting can be programmed into an 
EDD somehow. Afaik, if a separate ':<$chapnum>.' para tag 
exists, that can be chosen automatically for the first instance of the 
respective enclosing element in its parent element (chapter). That doesn't get 
round the tag duplication, but at least it automates the number thread 
resetting.

I'm just trying to avoid 'tag explosion' here, to keep template maintenance 
within some sort of reasonable limits.
-- 
Steve

Those old book numbering blues

[Steve Rickaby]

At 8:57 am +1100 16/12/05, hedley.finger at myob.com wrote:

>Then set your chapter title numbering as follows:
>
>Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>
>
>The < > placeholder after <$chapnum> is the one you want to continue
>through the book. The < =0> resetters are for the numbering you want to 
>restart for each chapter, e.g. figure, table, equation numbering, etc.  Is 
>this what you want?

I'm not sure. How would this reset named numbering threads, such as 
'T:<$chapnum>.'?
-- 
Steve

Those old book numbering blues

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

Steve:

> I am using one autonumber thread to control stuff that needs to flow
> through a book. I just wanted to check that in this case, i.e.
> paragraph number threads not reset between chapters, there is no
> alternative to creating a separate  paragraph clone for all the
> numbered paragraphs. Anyone know any good tricks?

Set each book component to continue numbering through the book.

Then set your chapter title numbering as follows:

Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>

The < > placeholder after <$chapnum> is the one you want to continue 
through the book. 
The < =0> resetters are for the numbering you want to restart for each 
chapter, e.g. figure, 
table, equation numbering, etc.  Is this what you want?

Regards,
Hedley

--
Hedley Finger
Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

? MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2005

RE: Those old book numbering blues

[Steve Rickaby]

At 8:57 am +1100 16/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Then set your chapter title numbering as follows:
>
>Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>
>
>The < > placeholder after <$chapnum> is the one you want to continue
>through the book. The < =0> resetters are for the numbering you want to 
>restart for each chapter, e.g. figure, table, equation numbering, etc.  Is 
>this what you want?

I'm not sure. How would this reset named numbering threads, such as 
'T:<$chapnum>.'?
-- 
Steve
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Re: Those old book numbering blues

[Steve Rickaby]

I said...

>I am using one autonumber thread to control stuff that needs to flow through a 
>book. I just wanted to check that in this case, i.e. paragraph number threads 
>not reset between chapters, there is no alternative to creating a separate 
> paragraph clone for all the numbered paragraphs. Anyone know any good 
>tricks?
>
>FrameScript is not an option for this job, but the final template will be 
>structured.

but I don't think I was being clear enough, so here goes again...

I have a series of numbering threads that run through a book, for figures, 
tables and so on, of the form ':<$chapnum>.' - a fairly normal 
situation. These need to restart for each chapter, to give 4.1, 4.2 etc or 
whatever. However, I have one numbering thread that I do *not* want to reset 
for each chapter.

As far as I know, the only way to do this is to reset the chapter-level 
numbering threads using a special ':<$chapnum>.' (sorry, not 
, as I originally posted) paragraph tag for the first instance of each 
respective numbering thread in each chapter. I'd like to avoid that, but cannot 
see how. That's what I was asking - is there some clever way of avoiding this 
tag duplication?

I'd like to find a solution that works in unstructured FrameMaker,  but I'm 
also interest in whether numbering thread resetting can be programmed into an 
EDD somehow. Afaik, if a separate ':<$chapnum>.' para tag 
exists, that can be chosen automatically for the first instance of the 
respective enclosing element in its parent element (chapter). That doesn't get 
round the tag duplication, but at least it automates the number thread 
resetting.

I'm just trying to avoid 'tag explosion' here, to keep template maintenance 
within some sort of reasonable limits.
-- 
Steve
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Those old book numbering blues

[Steve Rickaby]

I am using one autonumber thread to control stuff that needs to flow through a 
book. I just wanted to check that in this case, i.e. paragraph number threads 
not reset between chapters, there is no alternative to creating a separate 
 paragraph clone for all the numbered paragraphs. Anyone know any good 
tricks?

FrameScript is not an option for this job, but the final template will be 
structured.
-- 
Steve

RE: Those old book numbering blues

[hedley . finger]

Steve:

> I am using one autonumber thread to control stuff that needs to flow
> through a book. I just wanted to check that in this case, i.e.
> paragraph number threads not reset between chapters, there is no
> alternative to creating a separate  paragraph clone for all the
> numbered paragraphs. Anyone know any good tricks?

Set each book component to continue numbering through the book.

Then set your chapter title numbering as follows:

Chapter\ <$chapnum>< >< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>

The < > placeholder after <$chapnum> is the one you want to continue 
through the book. 
The < =0> resetters are for the numbering you want to restart for each 
chapter, e.g. figure, 
table, equation numbering, etc.  Is this what you want?

Regards,
Hedley

--
Hedley Finger
Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

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Those old book numbering blues

[Joe Malin]

I'm confused.

You want one autonumber format to control stuff that flows through an
entire book. You want paragraph numbers not reset between chapters. If
so, then you *don't* want , cuz that will restart the numbering?

To set up *one* paragraph style so that it was numbered 
  from paragraph 1 for the book's first paragraph in the first file, 
  to paragraph  for the n-th paragraph in the last file,

I'd use autonumber P: for the style, and set Document > Numbering...
so that paragraph numbers continued from the previous file in the book.

Alternatively, if I wanted the first paragraph to be 1 for *each* file
in the book, I'd use P: but set Document > Numbering... so that
paragraph numbers restart at 1 for each file.

Joe

Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

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Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:09 PM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Those old book numbering blues

I am using one autonumber thread to control stuff that needs to flow
through a book. I just wanted to check that in this case, i.e. paragraph
number threads not reset between chapters, there is no alternative to
creating a separate  paragraph clone for all the numbered
paragraphs. Anyone know any good tricks?

FrameScript is not an option for this job, but the final template will
be structured.
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RE: Those old book numbering blues

[Joe Malin]

I'm confused.

You want one autonumber format to control stuff that flows through an
entire book. You want paragraph numbers not reset between chapters. If
so, then you *don't* want , cuz that will restart the numbering?

To set up *one* paragraph style so that it was numbered 
  from paragraph 1 for the book's first paragraph in the first file, 
  to paragraph  for the n-th paragraph in the last file,

I'd use autonumber P: for the style, and set Document > Numbering...
so that paragraph numbers continued from the previous file in the book.

Alternatively, if I wanted the first paragraph to be 1 for *each* file
in the book, I'd use P: but set Document > Numbering... so that
paragraph numbers restart at 1 for each file.

Joe

Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
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necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

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Subject: Those old book numbering blues

I am using one autonumber thread to control stuff that needs to flow
through a book. I just wanted to check that in this case, i.e. paragraph
number threads not reset between chapters, there is no alternative to
creating a separate  paragraph clone for all the numbered
paragraphs. Anyone know any good tricks?

FrameScript is not an option for this job, but the final template will
be structured.
--
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Those old book numbering blues

[Steve Rickaby]

I am using one autonumber thread to control stuff that needs to flow through a 
book. I just wanted to check that in this case, i.e. paragraph number threads 
not reset between chapters, there is no alternative to creating a separate 
 paragraph clone for all the numbered paragraphs. Anyone know any good 
tricks?

FrameScript is not an option for this job, but the final template will be 
structured.
-- 
Steve
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