RE: Workaround for marker character limit?
Hi Lynne: Good suggestion, but with the number of markers with long entries, having them do find/replaces each time they regenerate would be a pain. They are using XML and Structured Frame to automate processes, and having this process break down is a serious glitch to them. With FrameMaker's UI limiting how the text is handled, even when it is entered in the MIF, I don't think what FrameMaker offers is going to work. I've put the client in touch with Scott Prentice and hopefully they will connect and get a plug-in built that will overcome this limitation. Thank you for the help! See you in a few weeks at the conference. Take care, Kay 1.919.244.8559 -Original Message- From: Lynne A. Price Frank, Scott, Very interesting. I created a MIF file in which I inserted an Index marker containing 900 characters and also a variable whose definition had 900 characters. I opened the MIF file and saved the result back to MIF. Both 900-character strings were still there, so the entire length indeed is stored in the document. When I inserted the variable in the text, all 900 characters appear. However, when I created an index, only the first 255 characters from the marker text appear in the index entry. Thus, getting all the text into the marker isn't sufficient to create the desired index. Kay, Do any of the very long index entries differ after the 255th character? If not, you might want to use an abbreviation of the full text in the markers, generate the index, and then do a global replace of the short names with their longer equivalents. --Lynne ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Workaround for marker character limit?
At 06:03 AM 7/10/2006, Kay Ethier wrote: Good suggestion, but with the number of markers with long entries, having them do find/replaces each time they regenerate would be a pain. They are using XML and Structured Frame to automate processes, and having this process break down is a serious glitch to them. Kay, The find/replace technique would need to be automated, either with a plug-in, FrameScript, or using a conversion table to structure the generated index, saving it to XML for XSLT processing, and then opening it back up in FrameMaker. Is the customer editing the markers in FrameMaker or in XML? With some conventions about formatting and font changes, it's fairly straightforward to duplicate FrameMaker's index functionality in XSLT, generating cross-references for all the page numbers. --Lynne -Original Message- From: Lynne A. Price Frank, Scott, Very interesting. I created a MIF file in which I inserted an Index marker containing 900 characters and also a variable whose definition had 900 characters. I opened the MIF file and saved the result back to MIF. Both 900-character strings were still there, so the entire length indeed is stored in the document. When I inserted the variable in the text, all 900 characters appear. However, when I created an index, only the first 255 characters from the marker text appear in the index entry. Thus, getting all the text into the marker isn't sufficient to create the desired index. Kay, Do any of the very long index entries differ after the 255th character? If not, you might want to use an abbreviation of the full text in the markers, generate the index, and then do a global replace of the short names with their longer equivalents. --Lynne Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Workaround for marker character limit?
Hi Lynne: Good suggestion, but with the number of markers with long entries, having them do find/replaces each time they regenerate would be a pain. They are using XML and Structured Frame to automate processes, and having this process break down is a serious glitch to them. With FrameMaker's UI limiting how the text is handled, even when it is entered in the MIF, I don't think what FrameMaker offers is going to work. I've put the client in touch with Scott Prentice and hopefully they will connect and get a plug-in built that will overcome this limitation. Thank you for the help! See you in a few weeks at the conference. Take care, Kay 1.919.244.8559 -Original Message- From: Lynne A. Price Frank, Scott, Very interesting. I created a MIF file in which I inserted an Index marker containing 900 characters and also a variable whose definition had 900 characters. I opened the MIF file and saved the result back to MIF. Both 900-character strings were still there, so the entire length indeed is stored in the document. When I inserted the variable in the text, all 900 characters appear. However, when I created an index, only the first 255 characters from the marker text appear in the index entry. Thus, getting all the text into the marker isn't sufficient to create the desired index. Kay, Do any of the very long index entries differ after the 255th character? If not, you might want to use an abbreviation of the full text in the markers, generate the index, and then do a global replace of the short names with their longer equivalents. --Lynne
Workaround for marker character limit?
At 06:03 AM 7/10/2006, Kay Ethier wrote: >Good suggestion, but with the number of markers with long entries, having >them do find/replaces each time they regenerate would be a pain. They are >using XML and Structured Frame to automate processes, and having this >process break down is a serious glitch to them. Kay, The find/replace technique would need to be automated, either with a plug-in, FrameScript, or using a conversion table to structure the generated index, saving it to XML for XSLT processing, and then opening it back up in FrameMaker. Is the customer editing the markers in FrameMaker or in XML? With some conventions about formatting and font changes, it's fairly straightforward to duplicate FrameMaker's index functionality in XSLT, generating cross-references for all the page numbers. --Lynne >-Original Message- >From: Lynne A. Price > >Frank, Scott, >Very interesting. I created a MIF file in which I inserted an Index >marker containing 900 characters and also a variable whose definition had >900 characters. I opened the MIF file and saved the result back to MIF. >Both 900-character strings were still there, so the entire length indeed is >stored in the document. >When I inserted the variable in the text, all 900 characters appear. >However, when I created an index, only the first 255 characters from the >marker text appear in the index entry. Thus, getting all the text into the >marker isn't sufficient to create the desired index. > >Kay, >Do any of the very long index entries differ after the 255th character? >If not, you might want to use an abbreviation of the full text in the >markers, generate the index, and then do a global replace of the short >names with their longer equivalents. > --Lynne Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284
Re: Workaround for marker character limit?
Hi Kay... I haven't looked into this much, but I believe that the limit is in the FrameMaker UI, not the underlying marker support mechanism. Programmatically, you can add many more than 255 characters to a marker (try adding more content to the marker as a MIF, then re-open in FM and you'll see all of the content). However, if you generate the index in the usual manner, it only recognizes the first 255 characters. It should be possible to make a plugin that can process longer entries and generate an index, or if you're using structured FM you might be able to process the markers outside of FM to create the index. If there are just a handful of entries that are exceeding the limit, you could use unique codes in the index entries then search on those codes in the generated index and replace them with the expanded content (perhaps using variables). If your client is interested in developing a plugin, give me a call and we can talk more about the options. Regards, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Kay Ethier at Bright Path wrote: Hi all: Anyone have a workaround/plug-in for FrameMaker's limit on # of characters that can be typed in a marker? We have a client with markers with EXTREMELY long index entries... This is not multiple entries, it is single entries that are not fitting in a marker. Thank you, Kay Kay Ethier Senior Trainer Consultant Bright Path Solutions PO Box 14265 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-4265 1.919.244.8559 FAX: 1.919.474.9223 URL: http://www.travelthepath.com Conferences: http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/ Cha-gi like no one is watching. Love like you have never been hurt. Publish like you need to reuse. ** To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** with unsubscribe framers (no quotes) in the body. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Workaround for marker character limit?
I just ran a quick test using FrameScript and the limit (as suggested below) appears to be with the UI. I was able to create a marker with 3000 characters. You should be able to create a script (or an FDK client if you don't have FrameScript) to enter these values. Unfortunately, the FrameMaker will still only use the first 255 when you generate an index. Frank Elmore Project leader for FrameScript - Original Message - From: Scott Prentice [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Workaround for marker character limit? Hi Kay... I haven't looked into this much, but I believe that the limit is in the FrameMaker UI, not the underlying marker support mechanism. Programmatically, you can add many more than 255 characters to a marker (try adding more content to the marker as a MIF, then re-open in FM and you'll see all of the content). However, if you generate the index in the usual manner, it only recognizes the first 255 characters. It should be possible to make a plugin that can process longer entries and generate an index, or if you're using structured FM you might be able to process the markers outside of FM to create the index. If there are just a handful of entries that are exceeding the limit, you could use unique codes in the index entries then search on those codes in the generated index and replace them with the expanded content (perhaps using variables). If your client is interested in developing a plugin, give me a call and we can talk more about the options. Regards, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Kay Ethier at Bright Path wrote: Hi all: Anyone have a workaround/plug-in for FrameMaker's limit on # of characters that can be typed in a marker? We have a client with markers with EXTREMELY long index entries... This is not multiple entries, it is single entries that are not fitting in a marker. Thank you, Kay Kay Ethier Senior Trainer Consultant Bright Path Solutions PO Box 14265 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-4265 1.919.244.8559 FAX: 1.919.474.9223 URL: http://www.travelthepath.com Conferences: http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/ Cha-gi like no one is watching. Love like you have never been hurt. Publish like you need to reuse. ** To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** with unsubscribe framers (no quotes) in the body. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/elmsoft%40comcast.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Workaround for marker character limit?
Frank, Scott, Very interesting. I created a MIF file in which I inserted an Index marker containing 900 characters and also a variable whose definition had 900 characters. I opened the MIF file and saved the result back to MIF. Both 900-character strings were still there, so the entire length indeed is stored in the document. When I inserted the variable in the text, all 900 characters appear. However, when I created an index, only the first 255 characters from the marker text appear in the index entry. Thus, getting all the text into the marker isn't sufficient to create the desired index. Kay, Do any of the very long index entries differ after the 255th character? If not, you might want to use an abbreviation of the full text in the markers, generate the index, and then do a global replace of the short names with their longer equivalents. --Lynne At 03:27 PM 7/5/2006, Frank Elmore wrote: I just ran a quick test using FrameScript and the limit (as suggested below) appears to be with the UI. I was able to create a marker with 3000 characters. You should be able to create a script (or an FDK client if you don't have FrameScript) to enter these values. Unfortunately, the FrameMaker will still only use the first 255 when you generate an index. Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Workaround for marker character limit?
Hi Kay... I haven't looked into this much, but I believe that the limit is in the FrameMaker UI, not the underlying marker support mechanism. Programmatically, you can add many more than 255 characters to a marker (try adding more content to the marker as a MIF, then re-open in FM and you'll see all of the content). However, if you generate the index in the usual manner, it only recognizes the first 255 characters. It should be possible to make a plugin that can process longer entries and generate an index, or if you're using structured FM you might be able to process the markers outside of FM to create the index. If there are just a handful of entries that are exceeding the limit, you could use unique codes in the index entries then search on those codes in the generated index and replace them with the expanded content (perhaps using variables). If your client is interested in developing a plugin, give me a call and we can talk more about the options. Regards, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Kay Ethier at Bright Path wrote: > Hi all: > > Anyone have a workaround/plug-in for FrameMaker's limit on # of characters > that can be typed in a marker? We have a client with markers with EXTREMELY > long index entries... This is not multiple entries, it is single entries > that are not fitting in a marker. > > Thank you, > > Kay > > > Kay Ethier > Senior Trainer & Consultant > Bright Path Solutions > PO Box 14265 > Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-4265 > 1.919.244.8559 > FAX: 1.919.474.9223 > URL: http://www.travelthepath.com > Conferences: http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/ > > Cha-gi like no one is watching. > Love like you have never been hurt. > Publish like you need to reuse. > > > ** To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo at omsys.com ** > ** with "unsubscribe framers" (no quotes) in the body. ** > > > > >
Workaround for marker character limit?
I just ran a quick test using FrameScript and the limit (as suggested below) appears to be with the UI. I was able to create a marker with 3000 characters. You should be able to create a script (or an FDK client if you don't have FrameScript) to enter these values. Unfortunately, the FrameMaker will still only use the first 255 when you generate an index. Frank Elmore Project leader for FrameScript - Original Message - From: "Scott Prentice" <s...@leximation.com> To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Workaround for marker character limit? > Hi Kay... > > I haven't looked into this much, but I believe that the limit is in the > FrameMaker UI, not the underlying marker support mechanism. > Programmatically, you can add many more than 255 characters to a marker > (try adding more content to the marker as a MIF, then re-open in FM and > you'll see all of the content). However, if you generate the index in the > usual manner, it only recognizes the first 255 characters. > > It should be possible to make a plugin that can process longer entries and > generate an index, or if you're using structured FM you might be able to > process the markers outside of FM to create the index. > > If there are just a handful of entries that are exceeding the limit, you > could use unique codes in the index entries then search on those codes in > the generated index and replace them with the expanded content (perhaps > using variables). > > If your client is interested in developing a plugin, give me a call and we > can talk more about the options. > > Regards, > > ...scott > > Scott Prentice > Leximation, Inc. > www.leximation.com > +1.415.485.1892 > > > > Kay Ethier at Bright Path wrote: >> Hi all: >> >> Anyone have a workaround/plug-in for FrameMaker's limit on # of >> characters >> that can be typed in a marker? We have a client with markers with >> EXTREMELY >> long index entries... This is not multiple entries, it is single entries >> that are not fitting in a marker. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Kay >> >> >> Kay Ethier >> Senior Trainer & Consultant >> Bright Path Solutions >> PO Box 14265 >> Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-4265 >> 1.919.244.8559 >> FAX: 1.919.474.9223 >> URL: http://www.travelthepath.com >> Conferences: http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/ >> >> Cha-gi like no one is watching. >> Love like you have never been hurt. >> Publish like you need to reuse. >> >> >> ** To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo at omsys.com ** >> ** with "unsubscribe framers" (no quotes) in the body. ** >> >> >> >> >> > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as elmsoft at comcast.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/elmsoft%40comcast.net > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Workaround for marker character limit?
Frank, Scott, Very interesting. I created a MIF file in which I inserted an Index marker containing 900 characters and also a variable whose definition had 900 characters. I opened the MIF file and saved the result back to MIF. Both 900-character strings were still there, so the entire length indeed is stored in the document. When I inserted the variable in the text, all 900 characters appear. However, when I created an index, only the first 255 characters from the marker text appear in the index entry. Thus, getting all the text into the marker isn't sufficient to create the desired index. Kay, Do any of the very long index entries differ after the 255th character? If not, you might want to use an abbreviation of the full text in the markers, generate the index, and then do a global replace of the short names with their longer equivalents. --Lynne At 03:27 PM 7/5/2006, Frank Elmore wrote: >I just ran a quick test using FrameScript and the limit (as suggested >below) appears to be with the UI. I was able to create a marker with 3000 >characters. You should be able to create a script (or an FDK client if you >don't have FrameScript) to enter these values. Unfortunately, the >FrameMaker will still only use the first 255 when you generate an index. Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284
