SV: extract changed texts

2008-04-03 Thread Rolf Clausen
Hi,

A quick and simple method is to find/change all characters marked with
change bars to a conditional text, for example called Changebars. Then
select all text in the document and create another conditional text called
Everything and apply it to the whole document. Choose to hide all
conditions tagged Everything and show conditions tagged Changebars. As a
result only the characters with change bars is shown.

You only get changed/inserted characters. If you want whole lines or
paragraphs I believe you have to go for a scripting solution, either with
FrameScript (as suggested earlier) or a custom-made plugin (which we of
course can help you with).

Regards,

Rolf

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Hi,
One client ask me to extract all lines that have any changes (=marked 
with change bars) to get a rough idea about the amount of text to 
translate.  Anyone has an idea?  There are many many pages, so manual 
mark-copy-paste is not what I would like to do.

Regards

Gunnar 


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Re: SV: extract changed texts

2008-04-03 Thread Gunnar Carlsson
Hi,
But how do I change to a conditional text?  The alternatives in the 
Change to box are very limited, just Text, Character format and By 
pasting - I cannot choose a certain character tag.  Or?

regards

Gunnar



At 03:22 03/04/2008, you wrote:
Hi,

A quick and simple method is to find/change all characters marked with
change bars to a conditional text, for example called Changebars. Then
select all text in the document and create another conditional text called
Everything and apply it to the whole document. Choose to hide all
conditions tagged Everything and show conditions tagged Changebars. As a
result only the characters with change bars is shown.

You only get changed/inserted characters. If you want whole lines or
paragraphs I believe you have to go for a scripting solution, either with
FrameScript (as suggested earlier) or a custom-made plugin (which we of
course can help you with).


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SV: SV: extract changed texts

2008-04-03 Thread Rolf Clausen
Hi,

1) Select some text and apply the condition Changebar.
2) Edit-Copy Special-Conditional Text Settings.
3) Find: Character Format: As Is everywhere except Change Bars. Even
automatic change bars can be found this way.
4) Change: By Pasting

/Rolf

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Ämne: Re: SV: extract changed texts

Hi,
But how do I change to a conditional text?  The alternatives in the 
Change to box are very limited, just Text, Character format and By 
pasting - I cannot choose a certain character tag.  Or?

regards

Gunnar



At 03:22 03/04/2008, you wrote:
Hi,

A quick and simple method is to find/change all characters marked with
change bars to a conditional text, for example called Changebars. Then
select all text in the document and create another conditional text called
Everything and apply it to the whole document. Choose to hide all
conditions tagged Everything and show conditions tagged Changebars. As
a
result only the characters with change bars is shown.

You only get changed/inserted characters. If you want whole lines or
paragraphs I believe you have to go for a scripting solution, either with
FrameScript (as suggested earlier) or a custom-made plugin (which we of
course can help you with).


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Re: SV: extract changed texts

2008-04-03 Thread Gunnar Carlsson
Thank you VERY much, Rolf!!   After 10 years with FrameMaker I have 
finally found this function, to paste formats!! This made my day (and 
it is still 06:30 in the morning!).
Regards
Gunnar


At 03:55 03/04/2008, you wrote:
Hi,

1) Select some text and apply the condition Changebar.
2) Edit-Copy Special-Conditional Text Settings.
3) Find: Character Format: As Is everywhere except Change Bars. Even
automatic change bars can be found this way.
4) Change: By Pasting

/Rolf


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SV: extract changed texts

2008-04-03 Thread Rolf Clausen
Hi,

A quick and simple method is to find/change all characters marked with
change bars to a conditional text, for example called "Changebars". Then
select all text in the document and create another conditional text called
"Everything" and apply it to the whole document. Choose to hide all
conditions tagged "Everything" and show conditions tagged "Changebars". As a
result only the characters with change bars is shown.

You only get changed/inserted characters. If you want whole lines or
paragraphs I believe you have to go for a scripting solution, either with
FrameScript (as suggested earlier) or a custom-made plugin (which we of
course can help you with).

Regards,

Rolf

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?mne: extract changed texts

Hi,
One client ask me to extract all lines that have any changes (=marked 
with change bars) to get a rough idea about the amount of text to 
translate.  Anyone has an idea?  There are many many pages, so manual 
mark-copy-paste is not what I would like to do.

Regards

Gunnar 


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SV: extract changed texts

2008-04-03 Thread Gunnar Carlsson
Hi,
But how do I change to a conditional text?  The alternatives in the 
"Change to" box are very limited, just Text, Character format and By 
pasting - I cannot choose a certain character tag.  Or?

regards

Gunnar



At 03:22 03/04/2008, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>A quick and simple method is to find/change all characters marked with
>change bars to a conditional text, for example called "Changebars". Then
>select all text in the document and create another conditional text called
>"Everything" and apply it to the whole document. Choose to hide all
>conditions tagged "Everything" and show conditions tagged "Changebars". As a
>result only the characters with change bars is shown.
>
>You only get changed/inserted characters. If you want whole lines or
>paragraphs I believe you have to go for a scripting solution, either with
>FrameScript (as suggested earlier) or a custom-made plugin (which we of
>course can help you with).




SV: SV: extract changed texts

2008-04-03 Thread Rolf Clausen
Hi,

1) Select some text and apply the condition "Changebar".
2) Edit->Copy Special->Conditional Text Settings.
3) Find: Character Format: As Is everywhere except Change Bars. Even
automatic change bars can be found this way.
4) Change: By Pasting

/Rolf

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?mne: Re: SV: extract changed texts

Hi,
But how do I change to a conditional text?  The alternatives in the 
"Change to" box are very limited, just Text, Character format and By 
pasting - I cannot choose a certain character tag.  Or?

regards

Gunnar



At 03:22 03/04/2008, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>A quick and simple method is to find/change all characters marked with
>change bars to a conditional text, for example called "Changebars". Then
>select all text in the document and create another conditional text called
>"Everything" and apply it to the whole document. Choose to hide all
>conditions tagged "Everything" and show conditions tagged "Changebars". As
a
>result only the characters with change bars is shown.
>
>You only get changed/inserted characters. If you want whole lines or
>paragraphs I believe you have to go for a scripting solution, either with
>FrameScript (as suggested earlier) or a custom-made plugin (which we of
>course can help you with).


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SV: extract changed texts

2008-04-03 Thread Gunnar Carlsson
Thank you VERY much, Rolf!!   After 10 years with FrameMaker I have 
finally found this function, to paste formats!! This made my day (and 
it is still 06:30 in the morning!).
Regards
Gunnar


At 03:55 03/04/2008, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>1) Select some text and apply the condition "Changebar".
>2) Edit->Copy Special->Conditional Text Settings.
>3) Find: Character Format: As Is everywhere except Change Bars. Even
>automatic change bars can be found this way.
>4) Change: By Pasting
>
>/Rolf




extract changed texts

2008-04-02 Thread Gunnar Carlsson
Hi,
One client ask me to extract all lines that have any changes (=marked 
with change bars) to get a rough idea about the amount of text to 
translate.  Anyone has an idea?  There are many many pages, so manual 
mark-copy-paste is not what I would like to do.

Regards

Gunnar 


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Re: extract changed texts

2008-04-02 Thread martin . smith
Hi Gunnar,

This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.

Using FrameScript you would would do the following:

Loop for every chapter in a book:
--Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
If a change bar is detected:
Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document

If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
(www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.

If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
contact me off list.

Best regards,

Martin

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Re: extract changed texts

2008-04-02 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Is there a way to search for text with a change bar, you could do the 
same thing with a simple AutoIt script. And AutoIt is free.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Gunnar,

 This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
 powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.

 Using FrameScript you would would do the following:

 Loop for every chapter in a book:
 --Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
 Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
 If a change bar is detected:
 Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document

 If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
 are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
 FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
 (www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.

 If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
 contact me off list.

 Best regards,

 Martin

 Martin R. Smith
 www.golehtek.com

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Re: extract changed texts

2008-04-02 Thread Jim Owens
Hello, Gunnar. We have a REXX script that processes MIF files to extract 
only the changebar text. We use it to get a rough word counts for 
translation. You're welcome to it if you don't find anything else.

To run the script you'd need to install a free REXX interpreter (I use 
Regina).

Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
 Is there a way to search for text with a change bar, you could do the 
 same thing with a simple AutoIt script. And AutoIt is free.
 
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Gunnar,

 This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
 powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.

 Using FrameScript you would would do the following:

 Loop for every chapter in a book:
 --Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
 Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
 If a change bar is detected:
 Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document

 If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
 are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
 FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
 (www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.

 If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
 contact me off list.

 Best regards,

 Martin

 Martin R. Smith
 www.golehtek.com

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extract changed texts

2008-04-02 Thread Gunnar Carlsson
Hi,
One client ask me to extract all lines that have any changes (=marked 
with change bars) to get a rough idea about the amount of text to 
translate.  Anyone has an idea?  There are many many pages, so manual 
mark-copy-paste is not what I would like to do.

Regards

Gunnar 




extract changed texts

2008-04-02 Thread martin.sm...@golehtek.com
Hi Gunnar,

This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.

Using FrameScript you would would do the following:

Loop for every chapter in a book:
--Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
If a change bar is detected:
Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document

If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
(www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.

If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
contact me off list.

Best regards,

Martin

Martin R. Smith
www.golehtek.com



extract changed texts

2008-04-02 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Is there a way to search for text with a change bar, you could do the 
same thing with a simple AutoIt script. And AutoIt is free.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


martin.smith at golehtek.com wrote:
> Hi Gunnar,
>
> This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
> powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.
>
> Using FrameScript you would would do the following:
>
> Loop for every chapter in a book:
> --Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
> Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
> If a change bar is detected:
> Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document
>
> If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
> are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
> FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
> (www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.
>
> If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
> contact me off list.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin
>
> Martin R. Smith
> www.golehtek.com
>
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extract changed texts

2008-04-02 Thread Jim Owens
Hello, Gunnar. We have a REXX script that processes MIF files to extract 
only the changebar text. We use it to get a rough word counts for 
translation. You're welcome to it if you don't find anything else.

To run the script you'd need to install a free REXX interpreter (I use 
Regina).

Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
> Is there a way to search for text with a change bar, you could do the 
> same thing with a simple AutoIt script. And AutoIt is free.
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 
> 
> martin.smith at golehtek.com wrote:
>> Hi Gunnar,
>>
>> This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a  
>> powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.
>>
>> Using FrameScript you would would do the following:
>>
>> Loop for every chapter in a book:
>> --Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
>> Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
>> If a change bar is detected:
>> Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document
>>
>> If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there  
>> are many freely available scripts that can extend the capabilities of  
>> FrameMaker. I offer a number of free scripts on my web site  
>> (www.golehtek.com). I also develop custom scripts for my clients.
>>
>> If you are interested in a FrameScript solution, you are welcome to  
>> contact me off list.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Martin R. Smith
>> www.golehtek.com
>>
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extract changed texts

2008-04-02 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Gunnar:

One approach that might work is to use File > Utilities > Document
Reports > Word Count to compare the changed documents to their
originals.

If the originals aren't available, another approach might be to use
Find/Replace to replace all change-bar-marked text with nothing, and
compare the word count after the replacement with the word count
before. For this method:

* Make copies before proceeding
* Turn off Format > Text Options > Change Bars > Create Automatic Change Bars
* Click the insertion pointer into blank space, then open Edit > Find.
Choose Find > Character Format (not Character Tag), turn ON Change
Bars (all others should be As Is or display a gray square in their
checkbox). Replace With should be empty (no space or other character).
Replace All.
* Compare the word count after this replacement with the word count before.

HTH

Regards,

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extract changed texts

2008-04-02 Thread Jim Owens
REXX is a general-purpose interpretive scripting language developed by 
IBM. They bundled it with OS/2, which is where I picked it up. As 
scripting languages go, it's not bad. Some of the commands are difficult 
to remember (if you want to open a file, you CALL STREAM), the syntax is 
a bit finicky, there's no regexp support (not out of the box anyway), 
and although there are support groups and libraries out there, they're 
pretty thin on the ground compared to more mainstream scripting 
languages like Perl. But the documentation is good, and the language is 
flexible and powerful (and non-typed).

Regina is an open-source REXX interpreter for the Windows platform.

These days I use AutoIT for scripting. I have no experience with 
FrameScript, but if I had a copy I'd undoubtedly prefer it for FM work, 
if only to save myself from working with MIF.



Rene Stephenson wrote:
> Jim:
> I've never heard of REXX or Regina. Is it like FrameScript? as powerful? 
> limited to working only with FM?
>  
> */Rene L. Stephenson/*
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Jim Owens 
> To: Shmuel Wolfson 
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 1:11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: extract changed texts
> 
> Hello, Gunnar. We have a REXX script that processes MIF files to extract
> only the changebar text. We use it to get a rough word counts for
> translation. You're welcome to it if you don't find anything else.
> 
> To run the script you'd need to install a free REXX interpreter (I use
> Regina).
> 
> Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>  > Is there a way to search for text with a change bar, you could do the
>  > same thing with a simple AutoIt script. And AutoIt is free.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Shmuel Wolfson
>  >
>  >
>  > martin.smith at golehtek.com <mailto:martin.smith at golehtek.com> wrote:
>  >> Hi Gunnar,
>  >>
>  >> This is rather easy to do if you have FrameScript. FrameScript is a 
>  >> powerful and easy-to-use internals programming language for FrameMaker.
>  >>
>  >> Using FrameScript you would would do the following:
>  >>
>  >> Loop for every chapter in a book:
>  >> --Loop for every paragraph in a chapter:
>  >> Inspect each paragraph for a change bar:
>  >> If a change bar is detected:
>  >> Copy the content of the paragraph into a new document
>  >>
>  >> If you decide to go the FrameScript route, you will find that there 
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2008-04-02 Thread martin.sm...@golehtek.com
The primary difference between FrameScript and other scripting  
languages is that FrameScript provides direct access to the internals  
of FrameMaker itself. FrameScript exposes the FrameMaker API (which  
you can also manipulate by downloading the Frame Developers Kit and  
programming in C).

FrameScript also allows you to extend FrameMaker by linking to OCX  
controls. FrameScript also provides direct access to relational  
database systems through ODBC. We make extensive use of the MSXML OCX  
control for XML parsing and have developed solutions for content reuse  
by encoding sections of FrameMaker documents in XML and uploading them  
to a relational database.

Best regards,

Martin

Martin R. Smith
www.golehtek.com
martin.smith at golehtek.com