RE: reversed text style

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi Dick,

There's one draw back though on the rotated cell/text: it's very difficult to 
edit. I'd advise to use variables for the text so you don't have to edit the 
'buttons' directly (unless they're all different of course).


Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel
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Van: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Verzonden: woensdag 19 mei 2010 9:50
Aan: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hi Wim,

Your table-in-a-frame solution seems easier than the Rubi text solution because 
you can change (I read that with Rubi you cannot change or delete, only add). 

Using a table is also what Art Campbell tipped me. Now I have got that tip 
twice. But rotating table and text in opposite directions to auto-adapt to the 
text length is an excellent addition to this idea! 
You got me turned: using text instead of graphics keeps the option open to 
restyle, change and for the user ...to search!

Thanks for that tip and see you June 9th on NLDITA 2010!

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

Dick Spierings

? +31 (0)413 343786
? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 

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Van: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 20:05
Aan: framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Dick Spierings
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

Two more options I haven't seen passing by:

- Use an anchored frame at insertion point, put a text frame inside and in
that texframe place the one cell table. Adjust the frame to make it fit
nicely (store a dummy version somewhere for reuse). Additionally, if you
rotate the table left and then rotate the text right it will automatically
adapt to the text length. 

- Use the Rubi text function to create special highlighting. See the web
pages of Klaus Daube: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker51.html. He made a very
nice description of how to make use of Rubi tex.

But indeed, if you have a fixed set of buttons, using illustrations may be
more easy. Using text based images keeps the option open to make changes if
needed.

Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel

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RE: reversed text style

[Dick Spierings]

Hi Wim,

Your table-in-a-frame solution seems easier than the Rubi text solution because 
you can change (I read that with Rubi you cannot change or delete, only add). 

Using a table is also what Art Campbell tipped me. Now I have got that tip 
twice. But rotating table and text in opposite directions to auto-adapt to the 
text length is an excellent addition to this idea! 
You got me turned: using text instead of graphics keeps the option open to 
restyle, change and for the user ...to search!

Thanks for that tip and see you June 9th on NLDITA 2010!

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
 +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 

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Van: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 20:05
Aan: framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Dick Spierings
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

Two more options I haven't seen passing by:

- Use an anchored frame at insertion point, put a text frame inside and in
that texframe place the one cell table. Adjust the frame to make it fit
nicely (store a dummy version somewhere for reuse). Additionally, if you
rotate the table left and then rotate the text right it will automatically
adapt to the text length. 

- Use the Rubi text function to create special highlighting. See the web
pages of Klaus Daube: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker51.html. He made a very
nice description of how to make use of Rubi tex.

But indeed, if you have a fixed set of buttons, using illustrations may be
more easy. Using text based images keeps the option open to make changes if
needed.

Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel

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forward to see you there!

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reversed text style

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi Dick,

There's one draw back though on the rotated cell/text: it's very difficult to 
edit. I'd advise to use variables for the text so you don't have to edit the 
'buttons' directly (unless they're all different of course).


Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel
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to see you there!

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Van: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spierings at fluidwell.com] 
Verzonden: woensdag 19 mei 2010 9:50
Aan: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hi Wim,

Your table-in-a-frame solution seems easier than the Rubi text solution because 
you can change (I read that with Rubi you cannot change or delete, only add). 

Using a table is also what Art Campbell tipped me. Now I have got that tip 
twice. But rotating table and text in opposite directions to auto-adapt to the 
text length is an excellent addition to this idea! 
You got me turned: using text instead of graphics keeps the option open to 
restyle, change and for the user ...to search!

Thanks for that tip and see you June 9th on NLDITA 2010!

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

Dick Spierings

? +31 (0)413 343786
? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 

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Van: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:wim at idtp.eu] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 20:05
Aan: framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Dick Spierings
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

Two more options I haven't seen passing by:

- Use an anchored frame at insertion point, put a text frame inside and in
that texframe place the one cell table. Adjust the frame to make it fit
nicely (store a dummy version somewhere for reuse). Additionally, if you
rotate the table left and then rotate the text right it will automatically
adapt to the text length. 

- Use the Rubi text function to create special highlighting. See the web
pages of Klaus Daube: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker51.html. He made a very
nice description of how to make use of Rubi tex.

But indeed, if you have a fixed set of buttons, using illustrations may be
more easy. Using text based images keeps the option open to make changes if
needed.

Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel

Don't forget to invite your contacts to join us at NLDITA 2010. Looking
forward to see you there!

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Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in FrameMaker / NLDITA 2010
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reversed text style

[Dick Spierings]

Hi Wim,

Your table-in-a-frame solution seems easier than the Rubi text solution because 
you can change (I read that with Rubi you cannot change or delete, only add). 

Using a table is also what Art Campbell tipped me. Now I have got that tip 
twice. But rotating table and text in opposite directions to auto-adapt to the 
text length is an excellent addition to this idea! 
You got me turned: using text instead of graphics keeps the option open to 
restyle, change and for the user ...to search!

Thanks for that tip and see you June 9th on NLDITA 2010!

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
? +31 (0)413 343786
?? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 

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Van: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:wim at idtp.eu] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 20:05
Aan: framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Dick Spierings
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

Two more options I haven't seen passing by:

- Use an anchored frame at insertion point, put a text frame inside and in
that texframe place the one cell table. Adjust the frame to make it fit
nicely (store a dummy version somewhere for reuse). Additionally, if you
rotate the table left and then rotate the text right it will automatically
adapt to the text length. 

- Use the Rubi text function to create special highlighting. See the web
pages of Klaus Daube: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker51.html. He made a very
nice description of how to make use of Rubi tex.

But indeed, if you have a fixed set of buttons, using illustrations may be
more easy. Using text based images keeps the option open to make changes if
needed.

Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel

Don't forget to invite your contacts to join us at NLDITA 2010. Looking
forward to see you there!

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Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in FrameMaker / NLDITA 2010
tel. +31652036811
Skype wimhooghwinkel
Twitter @idtp @NLDITA
info at idtp.eu 
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www.nldita.nl
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RE: reversed text style

[Simon BUCH]

Hello,

I would err against using a 'reverse' font, as I've found they are often
limited to a small subset of characters, and can sometime cause problems
when sending to print.

I would recommend Art Campbell's suggestion, of using a table with a
fill setting.  This way, the document can use the regular prescribed
font - which can assist situations where a document has to be translated
for a multi-language interfaces.

Regards
// Simon BUCH





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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: 18 May 2010 01:20
To: 'Dick Spierings'
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Hi Dick,

Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface.

Rick

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Dick Spierings
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: reversed text style

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on
a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and
create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you
can
control the placement precisely.

Cheers,
Art


On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
d.spieri...@fluidwell.comwrote:

 I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
 background) in my body text. Examples are short words like RUN,
 STOP, SETUP and PROGRAM, which indicate system states.

 I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?



 Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,



 Dick Spierings



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RE: reversed text style

[Simon BUCH]

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



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From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.

Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no at insertion point anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
' +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 

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RE: reversed text style

[Simon BUCH]

Hello Framers  Dick,

My reason for keeping instructions simple is to avoid situations like:
When the system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown, enter [X][X][X].
... as I have seen users follow instructions and pressing the keys: X and X and 
X and .

I prefer to separate input and output onto separate lines, for example:
When the system indicators:
{FOO} {BAR}
... are shown, enter:
[X][X][X]

Punctuation can often mess up instructions, and so I avoid them.
It's just a personal style thing, but for me, keep instructions simple. 


Regards
// Simon


-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 11:25
To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
' +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 


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Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.


Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no at insertion point anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
' +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 




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RE: reversed text style

[Dick Spierings]

Hi all,

Surprise that such a feature is not available. On the other hand, I have never 
been confronted with this in the last 10 years either!
What I need to reproduce are some black LCD display bulbs with text inside, 
representing a limited number of system states. Reading your feedback I think I 
better drop the idea of using reversed text and go for inline graphics on the 
reference page instead.

Thank you all for your feedback, it has been helpful.

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
 +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 2:24
Aan: Dick Spierings
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hi Dick,

Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Dick Spierings
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: reversed text style

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you can
control the placement precisely.

Cheers,
Art


On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
d.spieri...@fluidwell.comwrote:

 I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
 background) in my body text. Examples are short words like RUN,
 STOP, SETUP and PROGRAM, which indicate system states.

 I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?



 Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,



 Dick Spierings



 ' +31 (0)413 343786

   www.fluidwell.com http://www.fluidwell.com/

 * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com




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RE: reversed text style

[Dick Spierings]

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
 +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.


Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no at insertion point anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
' +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 




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Re: reversed text style

[Brad Anderson]

Dick,

You can do this even more simply with 2 paragraph formats.  I've just post a 
sample FrameMaker document at my website to demonstrate how this is done.  The 
first paragraph controls the look/height of the dark colored bar.  The second 
paragraph controls the reversed text.

http://www.beyondprint.com/2010/05/creating-reversed-headings-in-framemaker/

Best Regards

Brad



On May 18, 2010, at 5:11 AM, Simon BUCH wrote:

 Hello Dick,
 
 If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
 probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
 or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
 using anchored frames.
 
 I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
 instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For 
 example: I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
 instructions like:
   To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
 ... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.
 
 
 Hope that helps
 // Simon BUCH
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
 Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
 To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: Rick Quatro
 Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed 
 text style
 
 Hi Simon,
 
 The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
 simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
 Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided 
 to rule that option out.
 
 Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with 
 black background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the 
 text like you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no at insertion 
 point anchoring position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about 
 a single word somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 
 
 Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
  
 Dick Spierings
  
 ' +31 (0)413 343786
   www.fluidwell.com
 w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 

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RE: reversed text style

[Dick Spierings]

Hi Simon,
Just a warning upfront: This could end up in a long discussion as each writer 
has his/her own preferences, and should have - to maintain this profession as 
an art instead of just another job. ;-)

I think I get your drift, but for me the temptation as a user to just pressed 
as it says here I should do so... stays: It is not just in the used 
punctuation and line separation but moreover in the emphasis combined with the 
wording: Your separation in different lines would make no difference to me as 
the sentence structure has not changed a bit; I would still act the same I 
suppose...

It may be enough for others, but I think rephrasing and weight balancing is 
also necessary here. What I think I should see are an acknowledge this step, 
and a subsequent act now step. If the first step is likely to be skipped you 
need to make sure the weight shifts to the first line and you have a virtual 
full stop and now think remark standing out between these two lines. 

The emphasis that your button graphics automatically get (due to the abnormal 
typeface of graphics in text), acts as honey to bees and should be balanced 
(maybe even over balanced - can't hurt!) by the just as important line right 
above which tells you to WAIT for these indicators...

I would therefore rephrase as follows: 
(note that both [X] and {FOO}/{BAR} are eye-catching graphics)


1. **Make sure** system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown.
2. After confirming step 1 enter [X][X][X]


The numbering emphasizes that this instruction actually exists of two steps; a 
first warning not just to enter [X][X][X]. I then emphasized **make sure** to 
increase the weight of the first step to make it stand out better and draw more 
attention than the subsequent step: In my opinion this too helps draw the 
readers' eye to the top line, despite the tempting buttons in the second line 
(which you may also choose to reformat and stand-out less). Finally I embedded 
a silent warning in the second step: After confirming step 1..., a third 
indicator that there's more to do than just enter [X][X][X]!


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
 +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:41
Aan: framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro; Dick Spierings
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Framers  Dick,

My reason for keeping instructions simple is to avoid situations like:
When the system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown, enter [X][X][X].
... as I have seen users follow instructions and pressing the keys: X and X and 
X and .

I prefer to separate input and output onto separate lines, for example:
When the system indicators:
{FOO} {BAR}
... are shown, enter:
[X][X][X]

Punctuation can often mess up instructions, and so I avoid them.
It's just a personal style thing, but for me, keep instructions simple. 


Regards
// Simon


-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 11:25
To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
' +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps

Re: reversed text style

[Steve Rickaby]

At 06:28 -0500 18/5/10, Brad Anderson wrote:

You can do this even more simply with 2 paragraph formats.  I've just post a 
sample FrameMaker document at my website to demonstrate how this is done.

Yes, we have used this technique extensively, after trying other options such 
as tables. You can see the results here...

http://www.amazon.com/Java-Actually-Comprehensive-Primer-Programming/dp/1844809331/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1274200946sr=1-4

Only one thing to add: in structured FrameMaker, you can 'bind' the two 
paragraphs together with a parent element, which makes the whole scheme simpler 
to use.

-- 
---
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RE: reversed text style

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hello Dick,

Two more options I haven't seen passing by:

- Use an anchored frame at insertion point, put a text frame inside and in
that texframe place the one cell table. Adjust the frame to make it fit
nicely (store a dummy version somewhere for reuse). Additionally, if you
rotate the table left and then rotate the text right it will automatically
adapt to the text length. 

- Use the Rubi text function to create special highlighting. See the web
pages of Klaus Daube: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker51.html. He made a very
nice description of how to make use of Rubi tex.

But indeed, if you have a fixed set of buttons, using illustrations may be
more easy. Using text based images keeps the option open to make changes if
needed.

Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel

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reversed text style

[Simon BUCH]

Hello,

I would err against using a 'reverse' font, as I've found they are often
limited to a small subset of characters, and can sometime cause problems
when sending to print.

I would recommend Art Campbell's suggestion, of using a table with a
fill setting.  This way, the document can use the regular prescribed
font - which can assist situations where a document has to be translated
for a multi-language interfaces.

Regards
// Simon BUCH





-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: 18 May 2010 01:20
To: 'Dick Spierings'
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Hi Dick,

Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Dick Spierings
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: reversed text style

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on
a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and
create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you
can
control the placement precisely.

Cheers,
Art


On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
wrote:

> I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
> background) in my body text. Examples are short words like "RUN",
> "STOP", "SETUP" and "PROGRAM", which indicate system states.
>
> I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?
>
>
>
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Dick Spierings
>
>
>
> ' +31 (0)413 343786
>
> "  www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/>
>
> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com


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reversed text style

[Simon BUCH]

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.

Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no "at insertion point" anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
' +31 (0)413 343786
"? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 

reversed text style

[Simon BUCH]

Hello Framers & Dick,

My reason for keeping instructions simple is to avoid situations like:
When the system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown, enter [X][X][X].
... as I have seen users follow instructions and pressing the keys: X and X and 
X and .

I prefer to separate input and output onto separate lines, for example:
When the system indicators:
{FOO} {BAR}
... are shown, enter:
[X][X][X]

Punctuation can often mess up instructions, and so I avoid them.
It's just a personal style thing, but for me, keep instructions simple. 


Regards
// Simon


-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 11:25
To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
' +31 (0)413 343786
"? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.buch at m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.


Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no "at insertion point" anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
' +31 (0)413 343786
"? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 

reversed text style

[Dick Spierings]

Hi all,

Surprise that such a feature is not available. On the other hand, I have never 
been confronted with this in the last 10 years either!
What I need to reproduce are some black LCD display "bulbs" with text inside, 
representing a limited number of system states. Reading your feedback I think I 
better drop the idea of using reversed text and go for inline graphics on the 
reference page instead.

Thank you all for your feedback, it has been helpful.

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
? +31 (0)413 343786
?? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Rick Quatro [mailto:rick at rickquatro.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 2:24
Aan: Dick Spierings
CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hi Dick,

Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com

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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Dick Spierings
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: reversed text style

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you can
control the placement precisely.

Cheers,
Art


On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
wrote:

> I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
> background) in my body text. Examples are short words like "RUN",
> "STOP", "SETUP" and "PROGRAM", which indicate system states.
>
> I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?
>
>
>
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Dick Spierings
>
>
>
> ' +31 (0)413 343786
>
> "  www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/>
>
> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com

reversed text style

[Dick Spierings]

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
? +31 (0)413 343786
?? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.buch at m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.


Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no "at insertion point" anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
' +31 (0)413 343786
"? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 

reversed text style

[Brad Anderson]

Dick,

You can do this even more simply with 2 paragraph formats.  I've just post a 
sample FrameMaker document at my website to demonstrate how this is done.  The 
first paragraph controls the look/height of the dark colored bar.  The second 
paragraph controls the reversed text.

http://www.beyondprint.com/2010/05/creating-reversed-headings-in-framemaker/

Best Regards

Brad



On May 18, 2010, at 5:11 AM, Simon BUCH wrote:

> Hello Dick,
> 
> If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
> probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
> or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
> using anchored frames.
> 
> I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
> instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For 
> example: I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
> instructions like:
>   To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
> ... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.
> 
> 
> Hope that helps
> // Simon BUCH
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spierings at fluidwell.com] 
> Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
> To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: Rick Quatro
> Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed 
> text style
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
> simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
> Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided 
> to rule that option out.
> 
> Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with 
> black background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the 
> text like you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no "at insertion 
> point" anchoring position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about 
> a single word somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 
> 
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>  
> Dick Spierings
>  
> ' +31 (0)413 343786
> "  www.fluidwell.com
> w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 

reversed text style

[Dick Spierings]

Hi Simon,
Just a warning upfront: This could end up in a long discussion as each writer 
has his/her own preferences, and should have - to maintain this profession as 
an art instead of just another job. ;-)

I think I get your drift, but for me the temptation as a user to "just pressed 
as it says here I should do so..." stays: It is not just in the used 
punctuation and line separation but moreover in the emphasis combined with the 
wording: Your separation in different lines would make no difference to me as 
the sentence structure has not changed a bit; I would still act the same I 
suppose...

It may be enough for others, but I think rephrasing and "weight balancing" is 
also necessary here. What I think I should see are an "acknowledge this" step, 
and a subsequent "act now" step. If the first step is likely to be skipped you 
need to make sure the weight shifts to the first line and you have a virtual 
"full stop and now think" remark standing out between these two lines. 

The emphasis that your button graphics automatically get (due to the abnormal 
"typeface" of graphics in text), acts as honey to bees and should be balanced 
(maybe even over balanced - can't hurt!) by the just as important line right 
above which tells you to WAIT for these indicators...

I would therefore rephrase as follows: 
(note that both [X] and {FOO}/{BAR} are eye-catching graphics)


1. **Make sure** system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown.
2. After confirming step 1 enter [X][X][X]


The numbering emphasizes that this instruction actually exists of two steps; a 
first warning not just to enter [X][X][X]. I then emphasized **make sure** to 
increase the weight of the first step to make it stand out better and draw more 
attention than the subsequent step: In my opinion this too helps draw the 
readers' eye to the top line, despite the tempting buttons in the second line 
(which you may also choose to reformat and stand-out less). Finally I embedded 
a silent warning in the second step: "After confirming step 1...", a third 
indicator that there's more to do than just enter [X][X][X]!


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
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-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.buch at m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:41
Aan: framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro; Dick Spierings
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Framers & Dick,

My reason for keeping instructions simple is to avoid situations like:
When the system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown, enter [X][X][X].
... as I have seen users follow instructions and pressing the keys: X and X and 
X and .

I prefer to separate input and output onto separate lines, for example:
When the system indicators:
{FOO} {BAR}
... are shown, enter:
[X][X][X]

Punctuation can often mess up instructions, and so I avoid them.
It's just a personal style thing, but for me, keep instructions simple. 


Regards
// Simon


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From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 11:25
To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
' +31 (0)413 343786
"? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.buch at m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:

reversed text style

[Steve Rickaby]

At 06:28 -0500 18/5/10, Brad Anderson wrote:

>You can do this even more simply with 2 paragraph formats.  I've just post a 
>sample FrameMaker document at my website to demonstrate how this is done.

Yes, we have used this technique extensively, after trying other options such 
as tables. You can see the results here...



Only one thing to add: in structured FrameMaker, you can 'bind' the two 
paragraphs together with a parent element, which makes the whole scheme simpler 
to use.

-- 
---
Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk

reversed text style

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hello Dick,

Two more options I haven't seen passing by:

- Use an anchored frame at insertion point, put a text frame inside and in
that texframe place the one cell table. Adjust the frame to make it fit
nicely (store a dummy version somewhere for reuse). Additionally, if you
rotate the table left and then rotate the text right it will automatically
adapt to the text length. 

- Use the Rubi text function to create special highlighting. See the web
pages of Klaus Daube: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker51.html. He made a very
nice description of how to make use of Rubi tex.

But indeed, if you have a fixed set of buttons, using illustrations may be
more easy. Using text based images keeps the option open to make changes if
needed.

Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel

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reversed text style

[Dick Spierings]

I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
background) in my body text. Examples are short words like RUN,
STOP, SETUP and PROGRAM, which indicate system states. 

I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?

 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

 

Dick Spierings

 

' +31 (0)413 343786

  www.fluidwell.com http://www.fluidwell.com/ 

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Re: reversed text style

[Art Campbell]

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you can
control the placement precisely.

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On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
d.spieri...@fluidwell.comwrote:

 I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
 background) in my body text. Examples are short words like RUN,
 STOP, SETUP and PROGRAM, which indicate system states.

 I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?



 Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,



 Dick Spierings



 ' +31 (0)413 343786

   www.fluidwell.com http://www.fluidwell.com/

 * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com



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RE: reversed text style

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Dick,

Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface.

Rick

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Dick Spierings
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: reversed text style

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you can
control the placement precisely.

Cheers,
Art


On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
d.spieri...@fluidwell.comwrote:

 I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
 background) in my body text. Examples are short words like RUN,
 STOP, SETUP and PROGRAM, which indicate system states.

 I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?



 Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,



 Dick Spierings



 ' +31 (0)413 343786

   www.fluidwell.com http://www.fluidwell.com/

 * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com


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reversed text style

[Dick Spierings]

I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
background) in my body text. Examples are short words like "RUN",
"STOP", "SETUP" and "PROGRAM", which indicate system states. 

I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?



Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,



Dick Spierings



' +31 (0)413 343786

"  www.fluidwell.com  

* d.spierings at fluidwell.com 

reversed text style

[Art Campbell]

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you can
control the placement precisely.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
wrote:

> I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
> background) in my body text. Examples are short words like "RUN",
> "STOP", "SETUP" and "PROGRAM", which indicate system states.
>
> I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?
>
>
>
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Dick Spierings
>
>
>
> ' +31 (0)413 343786
>
> "  www.fluidwell.com 
>
> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com
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reversed text style

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Dick,

Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface.

Rick

Rick Quatro
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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Dick Spierings
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: reversed text style

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you can
control the placement precisely.

Cheers,
Art


On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
wrote:

> I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
> background) in my body text. Examples are short words like "RUN",
> "STOP", "SETUP" and "PROGRAM", which indicate system states.
>
> I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?
>
>
>
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Dick Spierings
>
>
>
> ' +31 (0)413 343786
>
> "  www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/>
>
> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com