Re; Table sorting has accuracy issues
Tom, If it's a one-shot task, a quick and dirty option would be to do your sorting in Excel then import the Excel file into Framemaker. Ben Hechter bhech...@objectives.ca www.semitake.com > Hi Listers, > > I've been experiencing problems in sorting a table alphabetically, with a > strong desire to have the sort ignore spaces. > > FM 8.0 > Windows XP with SP 2 > > I have a long 1-column table. Each cell has two paragraphs in it: > > Gloss term > Glossary definition. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re; Table sorting has accuracy issues
Tom, If it's a one-shot task, a quick and dirty option would be to do your sorting in Excel then import the Excel file into Framemaker. Ben Hechter bhechter at objectives.ca www.semitake.com > Hi Listers, > > I've been experiencing problems in sorting a table alphabetically, with a > strong desire to have the sort ignore spaces. > > FM 8.0 > Windows XP with SP 2 > > I have a long 1-column table. Each cell has two paragraphs in it: > > Gloss term > Glossary definition. >
Table sorting has accuracy issues
Hi Tom, The index references pages won't have any effect on table sorting. Table sorting is done with a .dll and can't be controlled anywhere like a reference page. Here is one workaround that I have done with a FrameScript script: 1) Add a temporary column to the table. 2) Take the sort data and copy it to the temporary column. 3) Massage the sort data in the temporary column so that it will sort correctly. 4) Sort the table based on the temporary column. For example, this may mean replacing dashes with spaces. 5) Delete the temporary column from the table. Of course FrameScript handles all 5 steps and it happens in the blink of an eye. We have to figure out the correct sort logic for the script, but once that is done, FrameScript makes it painless to sort tables according to your specs. If you are interested in a FrameScript solution like this, please send me a sample document offlist and I will give you a quote. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. rick at frameexpert.com 585-659-8267 Hi Listers, I've been experiencing problems in sorting a table alphabetically, with a strong desire to have the sort ignore spaces. FM 8.0 Windows XP with SP 2 I have a long 1-column table. Each cell has two paragraphs in it: Gloss term Glossary definition. Some examples that I have found problematic include: bar code A system of symbols used to identify data through length, position, size, or thickness of lines or symbols. Bar codes are normally read and printed by a machine. bar An element of a controller window that groups several buttons. Examples: function bar, status bar, subsystem bar. [I prefer "bar" to precede "bar code".] carriage lock The latch that prevents the carriage arm from being pulled to the service position. carriage rail The component of the carriage that has a carriage arm and umbilical support. See also carriage arm, umbilical support. carriage-return A character in data that forces all following text to the next line. carriage The module of a printing system that holds a printhead in position over the web, provides for printhead movement across the web, provides for printhead adjustment of skew, height, and with-stream position, and allows cross-stream printhead movement between print position and service position. See also print tower. [I prefer the order to be carriage carriage-return carriage lock carriage rail ] I tried rearranging the index sorting instructions in the reference page, without effect on the table sort. I also entered a space in the Ignore characters line there. <$symbols><$numerics><$alphabetics> --[]() Any ideas or experience from anybody welcome! Tom Kohn p.s. Perhaps as a side issue, perhaps not: When I open the file fresh and sort the table, many many items are waaay out of order. If I sort again, the order is good, but still with the problems noted in the body of my message. Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering Services | Eastman Kodak Company | 3000 Research Blvd | Dayton, OH 45420-4003 | tom.kohn at kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | +01 937-259-3784 Fax | www.graphics.kodak.com ___
Table sorting has accuracy issues
Hi Listers, I've been experiencing problems in sorting a table alphabetically, with a strong desire to have the sort ignore spaces. FM 8.0 Windows XP with SP 2 I have a long 1-column table. Each cell has two paragraphs in it: Gloss term Glossary definition. Some examples that I have found problematic include: bar code A system of symbols used to identify data through length, position, size, or thickness of lines or symbols. Bar codes are normally read and printed by a machine. bar An element of a controller window that groups several buttons. Examples: function bar, status bar, subsystem bar. [I prefer "bar" to precede "bar code".] carriage lock The latch that prevents the carriage arm from being pulled to the service position. carriage rail The component of the carriage that has a carriage arm and umbilical support. See also carriage arm, umbilical support. carriage-return A character in data that forces all following text to the next line. carriage The module of a printing system that holds a printhead in position over the web, provides for printhead movement across the web, provides for printhead adjustment of skew, height, and with-stream position, and allows cross-stream printhead movement between print position and service position. See also print tower. [I prefer the order to be carriage carriage-return carriage lock carriage rail ] I tried rearranging the index sorting instructions in the reference page, without effect on the table sort. I also entered a space in the Ignore characters line there. <$symbols><$numerics><$alphabetics> --[]() Any ideas or experience from anybody welcome! Tom Kohn p.s. Perhaps as a side issue, perhaps not: When I open the file fresh and sort the table, many many items are waaay out of order. If I sort again, the order is good, but still with the problems noted in the body of my message. Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering Services | Eastman Kodak Company | 3000 Research Blvd | Dayton, OH 45420-4003 | tom.kohn at kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | +01 937-259-3784 Fax | www.graphics.kodak.com
RE: Table sorting has accuracy issues
Hi Tom, The index references pages won't have any effect on table sorting. Table sorting is done with a .dll and can't be controlled anywhere like a reference page. Here is one workaround that I have done with a FrameScript script: 1) Add a temporary column to the table. 2) Take the sort data and copy it to the temporary column. 3) Massage the sort data in the temporary column so that it will sort correctly. 4) Sort the table based on the temporary column. For example, this may mean replacing dashes with spaces. 5) Delete the temporary column from the table. Of course FrameScript handles all 5 steps and it happens in the blink of an eye. We have to figure out the correct sort logic for the script, but once that is done, FrameScript makes it painless to sort tables according to your specs. If you are interested in a FrameScript solution like this, please send me a sample document offlist and I will give you a quote. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-659-8267 Hi Listers, I've been experiencing problems in sorting a table alphabetically, with a strong desire to have the sort ignore spaces. FM 8.0 Windows XP with SP 2 I have a long 1-column table. Each cell has two paragraphs in it: Gloss term Glossary definition. Some examples that I have found problematic include: bar code A system of symbols used to identify data through length, position, size, or thickness of lines or symbols. Bar codes are normally read and printed by a machine. bar An element of a controller window that groups several buttons. Examples: function bar, status bar, subsystem bar. [I prefer "bar" to precede "bar code".] carriage lock The latch that prevents the carriage arm from being pulled to the service position. carriage rail The component of the carriage that has a carriage arm and umbilical support. See also carriage arm, umbilical support. carriage-return A character in data that forces all following text to the next line. carriage The module of a printing system that holds a printhead in position over the web, provides for printhead movement across the web, provides for printhead adjustment of skew, height, and with-stream position, and allows cross-stream printhead movement between print position and service position. See also print tower. [I prefer the order to be carriage carriage-return carriage lock carriage rail ] I tried rearranging the index sorting instructions in the reference page, without effect on the table sort. I also entered a space in the Ignore characters line there. <$symbols><$numerics><$alphabetics> --[]() Any ideas or experience from anybody welcome! Tom Kohn p.s. Perhaps as a side issue, perhaps not: When I open the file fresh and sort the table, many many items are waaay out of order. If I sort again, the order is good, but still with the problems noted in the body of my message. Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering Services | Eastman Kodak Company | 3000 Research Blvd | Dayton, OH 45420-4003 | tom.k...@kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | +01 937-259-3784 Fax | www.graphics.kodak.com ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Table sorting has accuracy issues
Hi Listers, I've been experiencing problems in sorting a table alphabetically, with a strong desire to have the sort ignore spaces. FM 8.0 Windows XP with SP 2 I have a long 1-column table. Each cell has two paragraphs in it: Gloss term Glossary definition. Some examples that I have found problematic include: bar code A system of symbols used to identify data through length, position, size, or thickness of lines or symbols. Bar codes are normally read and printed by a machine. bar An element of a controller window that groups several buttons. Examples: function bar, status bar, subsystem bar. [I prefer "bar" to precede "bar code".] carriage lock The latch that prevents the carriage arm from being pulled to the service position. carriage rail The component of the carriage that has a carriage arm and umbilical support. See also carriage arm, umbilical support. carriage-return A character in data that forces all following text to the next line. carriage The module of a printing system that holds a printhead in position over the web, provides for printhead movement across the web, provides for printhead adjustment of skew, height, and with-stream position, and allows cross-stream printhead movement between print position and service position. See also print tower. [I prefer the order to be carriage carriage-return carriage lock carriage rail ] I tried rearranging the index sorting instructions in the reference page, without effect on the table sort. I also entered a space in the Ignore characters line there. <$symbols><$numerics><$alphabetics> --[]() Any ideas or experience from anybody welcome! Tom Kohn p.s. Perhaps as a side issue, perhaps not: When I open the file fresh and sort the table, many many items are waaay out of order. If I sort again, the order is good, but still with the problems noted in the body of my message. Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering Services | Eastman Kodak Company | 3000 Research Blvd | Dayton, OH 45420-4003 | tom.k...@kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | +01 937-259-3784 Fax | www.graphics.kodak.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Table Sorting -- Cross-Reference Markers Disappear
Lin, You wrote: >I'm told this is a long-standing problem, but I'm hoping there's a >workaround. A coworker has two tables in a document. One table contains >text that cross-references the content in the other table. When the >target table is sorted, all the x-ref markers disappear and the >cross-references to the target table no longer work. When the source >table is sorted, no problems. > >Any ideas on how to make this work, other than to sort all final content >first and then insert x-refs? ;-) This is indeed a long-standing problem -- present since table sorting capability was added to FM. The only workaround I know of is to change the marker type of all cross-reference markers (in tables or throughout), leaving the marker text unchanged (for example, change the marker type to a custom type, or to Comment if not used otherwise). After the table is sorted, change the marker type back to Cross-reference. This can be automated with FrameScript or by processing the MIF file. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
Re: Table Sorting -- Cross-Reference Markers Disappear
Lin, You wrote: I'm told this is a long-standing problem, but I'm hoping there's a workaround. A coworker has two tables in a document. One table contains text that cross-references the content in the other table. When the target table is sorted, all the x-ref markers disappear and the cross-references to the target table no longer work. When the source table is sorted, no problems. Any ideas on how to make this work, other than to sort all final content first and then insert x-refs? ;-) This is indeed a long-standing problem -- present since table sorting capability was added to FM. The only workaround I know of is to change the marker type of all cross-reference markers (in tables or throughout), leaving the marker text unchanged (for example, change the marker type to a custom type, or to Comment if not used otherwise). After the table is sorted, change the marker type back to Cross-reference. This can be automated with FrameScript or by processing the MIF file. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Table Sorting -- Cross-Reference Markers Disappear
Hi all- I'm told this is a long-standing problem, but I'm hoping there's a workaround. A coworker has two tables in a document. One table contains text that cross-references the content in the other table. When the target table is sorted, all the x-ref markers disappear and the cross-references to the target table no longer work. When the source table is sorted, no problems. Any ideas on how to make this work, other than to sort all final content first and then insert x-refs? ;-) Thanks -Lin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Table Sorting -- Cross-Reference Markers Disappear
Hi all- I'm told this is a long-standing problem, but I'm hoping there's a workaround. A coworker has two tables in a document. One table contains text that cross-references the content in the other table. When the target table is sorted, all the x-ref markers disappear and the cross-references to the target table no longer work. When the source table is sorted, no problems. Any ideas on how to make this work, other than to sort all final content first and then insert x-refs? ;-) Thanks -Lin
Consider Case Not Working in Table Sorting
Hi FrameMaker 6.0 for Windows. I'm trying to use the "Consider Case" feature when sorting a table by row, but it does not work. I even experimented with the example shown in the manual, but it still does not work. In this a bug, or is there something I'm not doing right? Steven Mays
Consider Case Not Working in Table Sorting
Hi FrameMaker 6.0 for Windows. I'm trying to use the "Consider Case" feature when sorting a table by row, but it does not work. I even experimented with the example shown in the manual, but it still does not work. In this a bug, or is there something I'm not doing right? Steven Mays ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table sorting
In unstructured, it's the Sort item on the Table menu. Art On 12/13/05, Al Friend wrote: > OK, this is one of those things I have to do about every five years, and I > never remember how ... > > I want to set the sort order for a table. My recollection is that the > setting is somewhere in the FM program folder, but where? > > FM 7.1 on XP (structured). Thanks. -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
table sorting
OK, this is one of those things I have to do about every five years, and I never remember how ... I want to set the sort order for a table. My recollection is that the setting is somewhere in the FM program folder, but where? FM 7.1 on XP (structured). Thanks. Al Friend Howell Laboratories, Inc. Bridgton, ME 04009 USA 207-647-3327
Re: table sorting
In unstructured, it's the Sort item on the Table menu. Art On 12/13/05, Al Friend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, this is one of those things I have to do about every five years, and I > never remember how ... > > I want to set the sort order for a table. My recollection is that the > setting is somewhere in the FM program folder, but where? > > FM 7.1 on XP (structured). Thanks. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table sorting
OK, this is one of those things I have to do about every five years, and I never remember how ... I want to set the sort order for a table. My recollection is that the setting is somewhere in the FM program folder, but where? FM 7.1 on XP (structured). Thanks. Al Friend Howell Laboratories, Inc. Bridgton, ME 04009 USA 207-647-3327 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
