Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Deirdre Try saving your document to .mif then back to .fm and see if this removes the little white box Richard ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Hi Deirdre, Please correct me, if I'm wrong. Your markers appear in front of the chapter titles but not in the TOC, don't they? When a TOC has hyperlinks to headings, hyperlink markers are created only in the TOC. Therefore the markers in front of the chapter titles must be something different. The boxes in front of the chapter titles aren't markers. They might be any character, which cannot be displayed properly. Eventually because they use a font which is not available. (Do you get any error messages when you open the file?) Can you copy such a box and paste it into another application (e.g. Word) and assign Arial to see what this might be? If you cannot select such a box it might be in the paragraph numbering. Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:16 PM > To: Framer's List > Cc: Combs, Richard > Subject: RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > You are correct, of course. > > Thanks, > > Clint > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & > Electronics | > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 > > > -Original Message- > From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.combs at Polycom.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:12 AM > To: Owen, Clint; Framer's List > Subject: RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > Owen, Clint wrote: > > > Generated files are hyperlinks automatically and don't need > or create > > markers. The only way you will get a marker in a TOC is if you > manually > > create a cross reference to the paragraph in the TOC after > the file is > > > generated. This is not recommended! > > That's simply not true. Assuming you set up the TOC (or other > generated > list) with Create Hypertext Links checked, each and every generated > entry begins with a Hypertext marker. The marker text looks something > like this: > > openObjectId 05-rv-adm-about.fm:2 2597 > > If you don't see markers in your TOC, either (a) you didn't select > Create Hypertext Links, or (b) you have View > Text Symbols turned off > for that file. > > Richard > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > --
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Dear FrameMakers: I just want to let you know that about five minutes ago, I went back into the files to check something, and all the boxes were gone. I quietly shut the files down, and sat here for about four minutes, wondering what the expletive just happened. Then I opened the files back up, and most of the boxes were back. One of the Ts, however, was gone. I am officially calling "uncle." These files can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned. I thank you all for your input, and if the template acts up again, I'm going to blame it on the technical writers. COL (Laughing Out Loud's sad cousin, Crying Out Loud) Deirdre
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Deirdre Try saving your document to .mif then back to .fm and see if this removes the little white box Richard
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Deirdre Reagan wrote: >I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the little > white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections (1., a., > etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. > > In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white > box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. > > All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether > the chapter had a symbol. > > None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. > > So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at > the begining of some of my chapter titles, in the actual chapter. > > I'd like to delete the symbols out of the Chapter Title in the actual > chapters (not from the TOC) and see what happens, but so far I've been > unsuccessful in finding any way to delete them. The T symbols you keep referring to are the on-screen display of FrameMaker's markers. The thing you have to realize is that there are many different types of markers, each of which are used in very different ways for different purposes. Some markers (Index markers) contain the text of index entries. Some markers (Hypertext markers) contain hypertext commands. Some markers (Cross-reference markers) identify the "target" of a cross-reference. Some markers encapsulate chunks of content that have conditionalized with a condition tag that is set to be hidden. But the point is that markers don't just appear for no reason. They only exist because you explicitly created them (e.g. for an index entry) or because you used some feature that is implemented via markers. The whole point of this explanation is to say that you should *NEVER* delete a marker unless you know exactly why it exists and are completely certain that it is no longer needed. If you go around deleting markers just because you don't understand what they are there for, you will be breaking some feature of the document that you probably want to keep. The most common example of this is breaking cross-references by deleting the target markers. The problem is that it can be difficult to examine markers because they are zero-width characters (so that they don't upset line lengths and pagination when they are dislayed) and you can have several (or even dozens of them) stacked up in one spot. If you select the whole stack, the Marker dialog only displays the properties of the topmost marker, and selecting only an individual marker is difficult. You can see if there are multiple markers in one location by observing how the insertion point moves when you use the forward or back cursor key to move over the marker(s). If it takes multiple strokes of the cursor key to move over the on-screen marker symbol (i.e. from the following text to the preceding text or vice versa), there is a stack of two or more markers in that spot. If you're careful, you can use the Shift key along with the cursor keys to select the individual markers, but the easier approach may be to temporarily insert spaces between the markers to spread them out on the line and make them individually selectable. Anyway, in your particualr situation, the markers in the TOC are most likely hypertext markers to link the entries to the corresponting headings in the book; these markers are regenerated each time you generate or update the TOC; you'll only be able to delete them (thereby destroying the hyperlinking of the TOC) temporarily. The markers in the heading paragraphs are most likely to be some combination of index markers and cross-reference markers. If they are the former, deleting them will destroy index entries; if they are the latter, deleting them will create unresolved cross-references. -FR
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Hi all: What's so strange is that the TOC hyperlinks to all the chapter titles, but not all the chapter titles in the actual chapter have the marker in front of them. What I've been able to discover that that two of the original files -- the one I renamed and the one I used to create three new chapters -- have a marker, as do the three new chapters I created. The original file that I renamed had the box marker. The renamed file now has the T marker. The original file that I copied has the box marker. Two of the three files that I created by copying the original file also have the box marker, but one has the T marker. The paragraph tag is the same in all cases -- Chapter Title. The marker didn't stay consistent in the case of the renamed chapter, and the marker didn't copy consistently in the case of the three copied files. As far as I've been able to discern, the white box and the T are both hyperlink markers. Presumably the different markers indicate some difference, but I don't know what the difference it. And, I've just noticed that one of other files has the white box both at the start *and* the end of the file. I'm not even going to go there! I think I'm creating a tempest in a teacup, here, since the document runs just fine, but when one of the tech writers used the template two weeks ago, one of the chapters appeared as the *old* chapter, that I renamed -- both the chapter title *and* the file name. I have no idea where it came from, and I'm afraid the marker, since it points to the old file, is pulling the old file from an entirely different folder. I haven't been able to duplicate that problem, so I don't know what happened there. Fred is right; I don't want to be deleting these markers without knowing what their function is. Hence, these emails. But I'm also running experiements to find out what does happen when I delete these markers. I'll be sure to let you all know if I find out anything else. Thanks, Peter, for the info about how to delete the marker with the marker dialog box open. Also, I have consulted online Help, Publishing Fundamentals (O'Keefe), Classroom in Book, and FrameMaker User Guide, and haven't so far found what the white box means. I really appreciate everyone's feed back. Deirdre On 7/3/08, Peter Gold wrote: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan > wrote: > > I just remembered someone's advice -- delete the whole paragraph and > > the marker will go away. > > Edit > Find > Any Marker will find and select markers. Keep the Marker > window open, so you can see its marker type and other information. > Delete key will delete the marker. > > > > > Thank you! > > > > Deirdre > > > > On 7/3/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > >> Thanks Peter. > >> > >> I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the little > >> white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections (1., a., > >> etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. > >> > >> In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white > >> box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. > > They are not supposed to be hyperlinks that go somewhere. They are the > targets of hyperlinks that go to them. > > >> > >> All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether > >> the chapter had a symbol. > > View > Text Symbols is a file property; perhaps some chapter files > have them turned off, so the markers don't appear. Or, perhaps you're > hyperlinking to a subsection on the chapter title page, so it appears > you're going to a chapter page that has no chapter hyperlink. When you > hyperlink somewhere, the target marker is highlighted, and the Marker > window tells you what kind it is. > > >> > >> None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. > >> > >> So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at > >> the begining of some of my chapter titles, in the actual chapter. > >> > >> I'd like to delete the symbols out of the Chapter Title in the actual > >> chapters (not from the TOC) and see what happens, but so far I've been > >> unsuccessful in finding any way to delete them. > >> > >> Any suggestions? > > Please read the Help. Search for markers, hyperlinks, generated lists, > table of contents, find marker, etc. Also there are several excellent > FM books, including: > > FrameMaker(R) 7: The Complete Reference by Sarah S. S. O'Keefe and > Sheila A. A. Loring (Paperback - Jun 11, 2002) > > Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 8 by Sarah S. > O'Keefe, Sheila A. Loring, Terry Smith (contributor), and Lydia K. > Wong (contributor) (Paperback - Jun 16, 2008) > > HTH > > Regards, > > Peter > __ > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices >
Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Dear FrameMakers: I just want to let you know that about five minutes ago, I went back into the files to check something, and all the boxes were gone. I quietly shut the files down, and sat here for about four minutes, wondering what the expletive just happened. Then I opened the files back up, and most of the boxes were back. One of the Ts, however, was gone. I am officially calling "uncle." These files can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned. I thank you all for your input, and if the template acts up again, I'm going to blame it on the technical writers. COL (Laughing Out Loud's sad cousin, Crying Out Loud) Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > I just remembered someone's advice -- delete the whole paragraph and > the marker will go away. Edit > Find > Any Marker will find and select markers. Keep the Marker window open, so you can see its marker type and other information. Delete key will delete the marker. > > Thank you! > > Deirdre > > On 7/3/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: >> Thanks Peter. >> >> I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the little >> white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections (1., a., >> etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. >> >> In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white >> box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. They are not supposed to be hyperlinks that go somewhere. They are the targets of hyperlinks that go to them. >> >> All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether >> the chapter had a symbol. View > Text Symbols is a file property; perhaps some chapter files have them turned off, so the markers don't appear. Or, perhaps you're hyperlinking to a subsection on the chapter title page, so it appears you're going to a chapter page that has no chapter hyperlink. When you hyperlink somewhere, the target marker is highlighted, and the Marker window tells you what kind it is. >> >> None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. >> >> So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at >> the begining of some of my chapter titles, in the actual chapter. >> >> I'd like to delete the symbols out of the Chapter Title in the actual >> chapters (not from the TOC) and see what happens, but so far I've been >> unsuccessful in finding any way to delete them. >> >> Any suggestions? Please read the Help. Search for markers, hyperlinks, generated lists, table of contents, find marker, etc. Also there are several excellent FM books, including: FrameMaker(R) 7: The Complete Reference by Sarah S. S. O'Keefe and Sheila A. A. Loring (Paperback - Jun 11, 2002) Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 8 by Sarah S. O'Keefe, Sheila A. Loring, Terry Smith (contributor), and Lydia K. Wong (contributor) (Paperback - Jun 16, 2008) HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Owen, Clint wrote: > Generated files are hyperlinks automatically and don't need or create > markers. The only way you will get a marker in a TOC is if you manually > create a cross reference to the paragraph in the TOC after the file is > generated. This is not recommended! That's simply not true. Assuming you set up the TOC (or other generated list) with Create Hypertext Links checked, each and every generated entry begins with a Hypertext marker. The marker text looks something like this: openObjectId 05-rv-adm-about.fm:2 2597 If you don't see markers in your TOC, either (a) you didn't select Create Hypertext Links, or (b) you have View > Text Symbols turned off for that file. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
I just remembered someone's advice -- delete the whole paragraph and the marker will go away. Thank you! Deirdre On 7/3/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > Thanks Peter. > > I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the little > white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections (1., a., > etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. > > In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white > box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. > > All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether > the chapter had a symbol. > > None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. > > So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at > the begining of some of my chapter titles, in the actual chapter. > > I'd like to delete the symbols out of the Chapter Title in the actual > chapters (not from the TOC) and see what happens, but so far I've been > unsuccessful in finding any way to delete them. > > Any suggestions? > > Deirdre > > > On 7/2/08, Peter Gold wrote: > > Hi, Dierdre: > > > > The "T" characters before your chapter headings are markers that are > > created if you check "Create Hypertext Links" in the Table of Contents > > dialog box. These markers enable the ability to jump from a TOC entry > > to its source by clicking it in a PDF. In FM, you can use the > > combination Ctrl+Alt+Click on a TOC entry to jump to the source. > > > > HTH > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter > > __ > > Peter Gold > > KnowHow ProServices > > >
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Thanks Peter. I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the little white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections (1., a., etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether the chapter had a symbol. None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at the begining of some of my chapter titles, in the actual chapter. I'd like to delete the symbols out of the Chapter Title in the actual chapters (not from the TOC) and see what happens, but so far I've been unsuccessful in finding any way to delete them. Any suggestions? Deirdre On 7/2/08, Peter Gold wrote: > Hi, Dierdre: > > The "T" characters before your chapter headings are markers that are > created if you check "Create Hypertext Links" in the Table of Contents > dialog box. These markers enable the ability to jump from a TOC entry > to its source by clicking it in a PDF. In FM, you can use the > combination Ctrl+Alt+Click on a TOC entry to jump to the source. > > HTH > > Regards, > > Peter > __ > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices >
RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Hi Deirdre, Please correct me, if I'm wrong. Your markers appear in front of the chapter titles but not in the TOC, don't they? When a TOC has hyperlinks to headings, hyperlink markers are created only in the TOC. Therefore the markers in front of the chapter titles must be something different. The boxes in front of the chapter titles aren't markers. They might be any character, which cannot be displayed properly. Eventually because they use a font which is not available. (Do you get any error messages when you open the file?) Can you copy such a box and paste it into another application (e.g. Word) and assign Arial to see what this might be? If you cannot select such a box it might be in the paragraph numbering. Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:16 PM > To: Framer's List > Cc: Combs, Richard > Subject: RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > You are correct, of course. > > Thanks, > > Clint > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & > Electronics | > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 > > > -Original Message- > From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:12 AM > To: Owen, Clint; Framer's List > Subject: RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > Owen, Clint wrote: > > > Generated files are hyperlinks automatically and don't need > or create > > markers. The only way you will get a marker in a TOC is if you > manually > > create a cross reference to the paragraph in the TOC after > the file is > > > generated. This is not recommended! > > That's simply not true. Assuming you set up the TOC (or other > generated > list) with Create Hypertext Links checked, each and every generated > entry begins with a Hypertext marker. The marker text looks something > like this: > > openObjectId 05-rv-adm-about.fm:2 2597 > > If you don't see markers in your TOC, either (a) you didn't select > Create Hypertext Links, or (b) you have View > Text Symbols turned off > for that file. > > Richard > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
You are correct, of course. Thanks, Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:12 AM To: Owen, Clint; Framer's List Subject: RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles Owen, Clint wrote: > Generated files are hyperlinks automatically and don't need or create > markers. The only way you will get a marker in a TOC is if you manually > create a cross reference to the paragraph in the TOC after the file is > generated. This is not recommended! That's simply not true. Assuming you set up the TOC (or other generated list) with Create Hypertext Links checked, each and every generated entry begins with a Hypertext marker. The marker text looks something like this: openObjectId 05-rv-adm-about.fm:2 2597 If you don't see markers in your TOC, either (a) you didn't select Create Hypertext Links, or (b) you have View > Text Symbols turned off for that file. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. >>>>>>>>>> Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement <<<<<<<<<< The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by MailMarshal ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
You are correct, of course. Thanks, Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:12 AM To: Owen, Clint; Framer's List Subject: RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles Owen, Clint wrote: > Generated files are hyperlinks automatically and don't need or create > markers. The only way you will get a marker in a TOC is if you manually > create a cross reference to the paragraph in the TOC after the file is > generated. This is not recommended! That's simply not true. Assuming you set up the TOC (or other generated list) with Create Hypertext Links checked, each and every generated entry begins with a Hypertext marker. The marker text looks something like this: openObjectId 05-rv-adm-about.fm:2 2597 If you don't see markers in your TOC, either (a) you didn't select Create Hypertext Links, or (b) you have View > Text Symbols turned off for that file. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. >>>>>>>>>> Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement <<<<<<<<<< The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by MailMarshal
RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Owen, Clint wrote: > Generated files are hyperlinks automatically and don't need or create > markers. The only way you will get a marker in a TOC is if you manually > create a cross reference to the paragraph in the TOC after the file is > generated. This is not recommended! That's simply not true. Assuming you set up the TOC (or other generated list) with Create Hypertext Links checked, each and every generated entry begins with a Hypertext marker. The marker text looks something like this: openObjectId 05-rv-adm-about.fm:2 2597 If you don't see markers in your TOC, either (a) you didn't select Create Hypertext Links, or (b) you have View > Text Symbols turned off for that file. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Deirdre, Generated files are hyperlinks automatically and don't need or create markers. The only way you will get a marker in a TOC is if you manually create a cross reference to the paragraph in the TOC after the file is generated. This is not recommended! Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Framer's List Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles Hi all: What's so strange is that the TOC hyperlinks to all the chapter titles, but not all the chapter titles in the actual chapter have the marker in front of them. What I've been able to discover that that two of the original files -- the one I renamed and the one I used to create three new chapters -- have a marker, as do the three new chapters I created. The original file that I renamed had the box marker. The renamed file now has the T marker. The original file that I copied has the box marker. Two of the three files that I created by copying the original file also have the box marker, but one has the T marker. The paragraph tag is the same in all cases -- Chapter Title. The marker didn't stay consistent in the case of the renamed chapter, and the marker didn't copy consistently in the case of the three copied files. As far as I've been able to discern, the white box and the T are both hyperlink markers. Presumably the different markers indicate some difference, but I don't know what the difference it. And, I've just noticed that one of other files has the white box both at the start *and* the end of the file. I'm not even going to go there! I think I'm creating a tempest in a teacup, here, since the document runs just fine, but when one of the tech writers used the template two weeks ago, one of the chapters appeared as the *old* chapter, that I renamed -- both the chapter title *and* the file name. I have no idea where it came from, and I'm afraid the marker, since it points to the old file, is pulling the old file from an entirely different folder. I haven't been able to duplicate that problem, so I don't know what happened there. Fred is right; I don't want to be deleting these markers without knowing what their function is. Hence, these emails. But I'm also running experiements to find out what does happen when I delete these markers. I'll be sure to let you all know if I find out anything else. Thanks, Peter, for the info about how to delete the marker with the marker dialog box open. Also, I have consulted online Help, Publishing Fundamentals (O'Keefe), Classroom in Book, and FrameMaker User Guide, and haven't so far found what the white box means. I really appreciate everyone's feed back. Deirdre On 7/3/08, Peter Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just remembered someone's advice -- delete the whole paragraph and > > the marker will go away. > > Edit > Find > Any Marker will find and select markers. Keep the Marker > window open, so you can see its marker type and other information. > Delete key will delete the marker. > > > > > Thank you! > > > > Deirdre > > > > On 7/3/08, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Thanks Peter. > >> > >> I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the > >> little white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections > >> (1., a., > >> etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. > >> > >> In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white > >> box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. > > They are not supposed to be hyperlinks that go somewhere. They are the > targets of hyperlinks that go to them. > > >> > >> All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether > >> the chapter had a symbol. > > View > Text Symbols is a file property; perhaps some chapter files > have them turned off, so the markers don't appear. Or, perhaps you're > hyperlinking to a subsection on the chapter title page, so it appears > you're going to a chapter page that has no chapter hyperlink. When you > hyperlink somewhere, the target marker is highlighted, and the Marker > window tells you what kind it is. > > >> > >> None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. > >> > >> So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at > >> the begining of s
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Deirdre, Generated files are hyperlinks automatically and don't need or create markers. The only way you will get a marker in a TOC is if you manually create a cross reference to the paragraph in the TOC after the file is generated. This is not recommended! Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:51 AM To: peter at knowhowpro.com; Framer's List Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles Hi all: What's so strange is that the TOC hyperlinks to all the chapter titles, but not all the chapter titles in the actual chapter have the marker in front of them. What I've been able to discover that that two of the original files -- the one I renamed and the one I used to create three new chapters -- have a marker, as do the three new chapters I created. The original file that I renamed had the box marker. The renamed file now has the T marker. The original file that I copied has the box marker. Two of the three files that I created by copying the original file also have the box marker, but one has the T marker. The paragraph tag is the same in all cases -- Chapter Title. The marker didn't stay consistent in the case of the renamed chapter, and the marker didn't copy consistently in the case of the three copied files. As far as I've been able to discern, the white box and the T are both hyperlink markers. Presumably the different markers indicate some difference, but I don't know what the difference it. And, I've just noticed that one of other files has the white box both at the start *and* the end of the file. I'm not even going to go there! I think I'm creating a tempest in a teacup, here, since the document runs just fine, but when one of the tech writers used the template two weeks ago, one of the chapters appeared as the *old* chapter, that I renamed -- both the chapter title *and* the file name. I have no idea where it came from, and I'm afraid the marker, since it points to the old file, is pulling the old file from an entirely different folder. I haven't been able to duplicate that problem, so I don't know what happened there. Fred is right; I don't want to be deleting these markers without knowing what their function is. Hence, these emails. But I'm also running experiements to find out what does happen when I delete these markers. I'll be sure to let you all know if I find out anything else. Thanks, Peter, for the info about how to delete the marker with the marker dialog box open. Also, I have consulted online Help, Publishing Fundamentals (O'Keefe), Classroom in Book, and FrameMaker User Guide, and haven't so far found what the white box means. I really appreciate everyone's feed back. Deirdre On 7/3/08, Peter Gold wrote: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > > I just remembered someone's advice -- delete the whole paragraph and > > the marker will go away. > > Edit > Find > Any Marker will find and select markers. Keep the Marker > window open, so you can see its marker type and other information. > Delete key will delete the marker. > > > > > Thank you! > > > > Deirdre > > > > On 7/3/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > >> Thanks Peter. > >> > >> I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the > >> little white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections > >> (1., a., > >> etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. > >> > >> In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white > >> box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. > > They are not supposed to be hyperlinks that go somewhere. They are the > targets of hyperlinks that go to them. > > >> > >> All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether > >> the chapter had a symbol. > > View > Text Symbols is a file property; perhaps some chapter files > have them turned off, so the markers don't appear. Or, perhaps you're > hyperlinking to a subsection on the chapter title page, so it appears > you're going to a chapter page that has no chapter hyperlink. When you > hyperlink somewhere, the target marker is highlighted, and the Marker > window tells you what kind it is. > > >> > >> None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. > >> > >> So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at > >> the begining of some of my chapter titles,
Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Hi all: What's so strange is that the TOC hyperlinks to all the chapter titles, but not all the chapter titles in the actual chapter have the marker in front of them. What I've been able to discover that that two of the original files -- the one I renamed and the one I used to create three new chapters -- have a marker, as do the three new chapters I created. The original file that I renamed had the box marker. The renamed file now has the T marker. The original file that I copied has the box marker. Two of the three files that I created by copying the original file also have the box marker, but one has the T marker. The paragraph tag is the same in all cases -- Chapter Title. The marker didn't stay consistent in the case of the renamed chapter, and the marker didn't copy consistently in the case of the three copied files. As far as I've been able to discern, the white box and the T are both hyperlink markers. Presumably the different markers indicate some difference, but I don't know what the difference it. And, I've just noticed that one of other files has the white box both at the start *and* the end of the file. I'm not even going to go there! I think I'm creating a tempest in a teacup, here, since the document runs just fine, but when one of the tech writers used the template two weeks ago, one of the chapters appeared as the *old* chapter, that I renamed -- both the chapter title *and* the file name. I have no idea where it came from, and I'm afraid the marker, since it points to the old file, is pulling the old file from an entirely different folder. I haven't been able to duplicate that problem, so I don't know what happened there. Fred is right; I don't want to be deleting these markers without knowing what their function is. Hence, these emails. But I'm also running experiements to find out what does happen when I delete these markers. I'll be sure to let you all know if I find out anything else. Thanks, Peter, for the info about how to delete the marker with the marker dialog box open. Also, I have consulted online Help, Publishing Fundamentals (O'Keefe), Classroom in Book, and FrameMaker User Guide, and haven't so far found what the white box means. I really appreciate everyone's feed back. Deirdre On 7/3/08, Peter Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just remembered someone's advice -- delete the whole paragraph and > > the marker will go away. > > Edit > Find > Any Marker will find and select markers. Keep the Marker > window open, so you can see its marker type and other information. > Delete key will delete the marker. > > > > > Thank you! > > > > Deirdre > > > > On 7/3/08, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Thanks Peter. > >> > >> I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the little > >> white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections (1., a., > >> etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. > >> > >> In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white > >> box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. > > They are not supposed to be hyperlinks that go somewhere. They are the > targets of hyperlinks that go to them. > > >> > >> All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether > >> the chapter had a symbol. > > View > Text Symbols is a file property; perhaps some chapter files > have them turned off, so the markers don't appear. Or, perhaps you're > hyperlinking to a subsection on the chapter title page, so it appears > you're going to a chapter page that has no chapter hyperlink. When you > hyperlink somewhere, the target marker is highlighted, and the Marker > window tells you what kind it is. > > >> > >> None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. > >> > >> So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at > >> the begining of some of my chapter titles, in the actual chapter. > >> > >> I'd like to delete the symbols out of the Chapter Title in the actual > >> chapters (not from the TOC) and see what happens, but so far I've been > >> unsuccessful in finding any way to delete them. > >> > >> Any suggestions? > > Please read the Help. Search for markers, hyperlinks, generated lists, > table of contents, find marker, etc. Also there are several excellent > FM books, including: > > FrameMaker(R) 7: The Complete Reference by Sarah S. S. O'Keefe and > Sheila A. A. Loring (Paperback - Jun 11, 2002) > > Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 8 by Sarah S. > O'Keefe, Sheila A. Loring, Terry Smith (contributor), and Lydia K. > Wong (contributor) (Paperback - Jun 16, 2008) > > HTH > > Regards, > > Peter > __ > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTE
Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just remembered someone's advice -- delete the whole paragraph and > the marker will go away. Edit > Find > Any Marker will find and select markers. Keep the Marker window open, so you can see its marker type and other information. Delete key will delete the marker. > > Thank you! > > Deirdre > > On 7/3/08, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks Peter. >> >> I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the little >> white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections (1., a., >> etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. >> >> In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white >> box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. They are not supposed to be hyperlinks that go somewhere. They are the targets of hyperlinks that go to them. >> >> All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether >> the chapter had a symbol. View > Text Symbols is a file property; perhaps some chapter files have them turned off, so the markers don't appear. Or, perhaps you're hyperlinking to a subsection on the chapter title page, so it appears you're going to a chapter page that has no chapter hyperlink. When you hyperlink somewhere, the target marker is highlighted, and the Marker window tells you what kind it is. >> >> None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. >> >> So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at >> the begining of some of my chapter titles, in the actual chapter. >> >> I'd like to delete the symbols out of the Chapter Title in the actual >> chapters (not from the TOC) and see what happens, but so far I've been >> unsuccessful in finding any way to delete them. >> >> Any suggestions? Please read the Help. Search for markers, hyperlinks, generated lists, table of contents, find marker, etc. Also there are several excellent FM books, including: FrameMaker(R) 7: The Complete Reference by Sarah S. S. O'Keefe and Sheila A. A. Loring (Paperback - Jun 11, 2002) Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 8 by Sarah S. O'Keefe, Sheila A. Loring, Terry Smith (contributor), and Lydia K. Wong (contributor) (Paperback - Jun 16, 2008) HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Deirdre Reagan wrote: >I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the little > white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections (1., a., > etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. > > In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white > box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. > > All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether > the chapter had a symbol. > > None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. > > So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at > the begining of some of my chapter titles, in the actual chapter. > > I'd like to delete the symbols out of the Chapter Title in the actual > chapters (not from the TOC) and see what happens, but so far I've been > unsuccessful in finding any way to delete them. The T symbols you keep referring to are the on-screen display of FrameMaker's markers. The thing you have to realize is that there are many different types of markers, each of which are used in very different ways for different purposes. Some markers (Index markers) contain the text of index entries. Some markers (Hypertext markers) contain hypertext commands. Some markers (Cross-reference markers) identify the "target" of a cross-reference. Some markers encapsulate chunks of content that have conditionalized with a condition tag that is set to be hidden. But the point is that markers don't just appear for no reason. They only exist because you explicitly created them (e.g. for an index entry) or because you used some feature that is implemented via markers. The whole point of this explanation is to say that you should *NEVER* delete a marker unless you know exactly why it exists and are completely certain that it is no longer needed. If you go around deleting markers just because you don't understand what they are there for, you will be breaking some feature of the document that you probably want to keep. The most common example of this is breaking cross-references by deleting the target markers. The problem is that it can be difficult to examine markers because they are zero-width characters (so that they don't upset line lengths and pagination when they are dislayed) and you can have several (or even dozens of them) stacked up in one spot. If you select the whole stack, the Marker dialog only displays the properties of the topmost marker, and selecting only an individual marker is difficult. You can see if there are multiple markers in one location by observing how the insertion point moves when you use the forward or back cursor key to move over the marker(s). If it takes multiple strokes of the cursor key to move over the on-screen marker symbol (i.e. from the following text to the preceding text or vice versa), there is a stack of two or more markers in that spot. If you're careful, you can use the Shift key along with the cursor keys to select the individual markers, but the easier approach may be to temporarily insert spaces between the markers to spread them out on the line and make them individually selectable. Anyway, in your particualr situation, the markers in the TOC are most likely hypertext markers to link the entries to the corresponting headings in the book; these markers are regenerated each time you generate or update the TOC; you'll only be able to delete them (thereby destroying the hyperlinking of the TOC) temporarily. The markers in the heading paragraphs are most likely to be some combination of index markers and cross-reference markers. If they are the former, deleting them will destroy index entries; if they are the latter, deleting them will create unresolved cross-references. -FR ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
I just remembered someone's advice -- delete the whole paragraph and the marker will go away. Thank you! Deirdre On 7/3/08, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Peter. > > I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the little > white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections (1., a., > etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. > > In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white > box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. > > All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether > the chapter had a symbol. > > None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. > > So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at > the begining of some of my chapter titles, in the actual chapter. > > I'd like to delete the symbols out of the Chapter Title in the actual > chapters (not from the TOC) and see what happens, but so far I've been > unsuccessful in finding any way to delete them. > > Any suggestions? > > Deirdre > > > On 7/2/08, Peter Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, Dierdre: > > > > The "T" characters before your chapter headings are markers that are > > created if you check "Create Hypertext Links" in the Table of Contents > > dialog box. These markers enable the ability to jump from a TOC entry > > to its source by clicking it in a PDF. In FM, you can use the > > combination Ctrl+Alt+Click on a TOC entry to jump to the source. > > > > HTH > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter > > __ > > Peter Gold > > KnowHow ProServices > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Thanks Peter. I tested this out. In my TOC, all my Chapter Titles have the little white box in front of them, and all my chapter subsections (1., a., etc) have a T in front of them. All work as hyperlinks. In the actual chapter, the Chapter Title with a T or a little white box in front of it doesn't not work as a hyperlink. All TOC hyperlinks connected to all chapters, regardless of whether the chapter had a symbol. None of the chapters with the symbol hyperlinked to anywhere. So I'm left with the question -- why are these symbols appearing at the begining of some of my chapter titles, in the actual chapter. I'd like to delete the symbols out of the Chapter Title in the actual chapters (not from the TOC) and see what happens, but so far I've been unsuccessful in finding any way to delete them. Any suggestions? Deirdre On 7/2/08, Peter Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, Dierdre: > > The "T" characters before your chapter headings are markers that are > created if you check "Create Hypertext Links" in the Table of Contents > dialog box. These markers enable the ability to jump from a TOC entry > to its source by clicking it in a PDF. In FM, you can use the > combination Ctrl+Alt+Click on a TOC entry to jump to the source. > > HTH > > Regards, > > Peter > __ > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Hi, Dierdre: The "T" characters before your chapter headings are markers that are created if you check "Create Hypertext Links" in the Table of Contents dialog box. These markers enable the ability to jump from a TOC entry to its source by clicking it in a PDF. In FM, you can use the combination Ctrl+Alt+Click on a TOC entry to jump to the source. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Clint: Nope, no tab or space in the autonumber box. The boxes don't effect the printed output at all. As far as I've been able to determine, they are markers that point to the file I used to create these files. The first file, the one with the T, I renamed to a new name. The T marker points to the original name of the document. The other four files, one with a T and three with a box marker, all point to the file I copied to create those four files. I've been looking through my two reference books (Adobe's User Guide and Adobe's Classroom in a Book) and the online help, but I haven't been able to narrow it down further than they appear to be related to coping and/or renaming the files. Deirdre On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint wrote: > Is there a Tab or Space character in the Autonumber definition for the > Title paragraph? The only way to get rid of those is to edit the > Autonumber properties. Do these boxes affect the printed output? It > could also be a bullet or symbol character of some kind. > > Clint > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 > > > -Original Message- > From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:deirdre.reagan at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:13 PM > To: Owen, Clint; Framer's List > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > Thanks, Clint. > > The outline box is a little box that is appearing before the first > letter of the text. I tried to delete it and it moved to behind the > text. > > Thank you for setting my mind at ease about these not affecting the > text. I'm being asked to make changes to these documents and I'm > learning as I'm going, so I don't want to remove the one thing that > causes the whole document to crash. > > Deirdre > > > On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint wrote: > > The extra markers won't hurt anything, like affecting the printed copy > > > or some such. They don't take up any space in the line. When you go to > > > add a new cross-reference they will show up as possible destinations > > you can choose from. The only way to get rid of them is to delete the > > containing paragraph. > > > > I am not sure what you mean by "outline boxes". Are these showing up > > in your output or moving other characters in the paragraph around? If > > so, they could be cross-references to empty paragraphs, or paragraphs > > with only "space" characters, or something like that. > > > > If you hold the "CTRL" and "ALT" keys and click on a cross-reference, > > you will be taken to the source of the reference, which might give you > > > a clue as to its origin. This works in the TOC if you notice a typo > > and want to go directly to the source to fix it. > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics > > > | > > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:deirdre.reagan at gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:54 PM > > To: Owen, Clint > > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > > > I did what Clive suggested, used the Marker menu item to identify the > > marker, and both the bold T (not upside down, but T) and the box are > > cross-references. > > > > One bold T marks a cross-reference to that chapter's old name (I > > renamed the chapter). > > > > The other bold T and all the outline boxes cross-reference a chapter I > > > copied and renamed to create those chapters. > > > > Is this normal behavior and should I be worried? Can I get rid of > > these markers? They won't delete. Do I want to get rid of them? Do > > I want to keep them? > > > > Any advice would be much appreciated! > > > > Deirdre > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > > > Thank you Clint! > > > > > > On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint wrote: > > > > Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That > > > > can be the source of strange characters. > > > > > > > > As for the upside down "T", that can be any one of several > > > > different > > > > > > kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to > > > > that > > > > > > paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing > > > > paragraph is deleted. >
Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Hi, Dierdre: The "T" characters before your chapter headings are markers that are created if you check "Create Hypertext Links" in the Table of Contents dialog box. These markers enable the ability to jump from a TOC entry to its source by clicking it in a PDF. In FM, you can use the combination Ctrl+Alt+Click on a TOC entry to jump to the source. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Thanks, Clint. The outline box is a little box that is appearing before the first letter of the text. I tried to delete it and it moved to behind the text. Thank you for setting my mind at ease about these not affecting the text. I'm being asked to make changes to these documents and I'm learning as I'm going, so I don't want to remove the one thing that causes the whole document to crash. Deirdre On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint wrote: > The extra markers won't hurt anything, like affecting the printed copy > or some such. They don't take up any space in the line. When you go to > add a new cross-reference they will show up as possible destinations you > can choose from. The only way to get rid of them is to delete the > containing paragraph. > > I am not sure what you mean by "outline boxes". Are these showing up in > your output or moving other characters in the paragraph around? If so, > they could be cross-references to empty paragraphs, or paragraphs with > only "space" characters, or something like that. > > If you hold the "CTRL" and "ALT" keys and click on a cross-reference, > you will be taken to the source of the reference, which might give you a > clue as to its origin. This works in the TOC if you notice a typo and > want to go directly to the source to fix it. > > Clint > > > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 > > > -Original Message----- > From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:deirdre.reagan at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:54 PM > To: Owen, Clint > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > I did what Clive suggested, used the Marker menu item to identify the > marker, and both the bold T (not upside down, but T) and the box are > cross-references. > > One bold T marks a cross-reference to that chapter's old name (I renamed > the chapter). > > The other bold T and all the outline boxes cross-reference a chapter I > copied and renamed to create those chapters. > > Is this normal behavior and should I be worried? Can I get rid of these > markers? They won't delete. Do I want to get rid of them? Do I want > to keep them? > > Any advice would be much appreciated! > > Deirdre > > > > > > On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > > Thank you Clint! > > > > On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint wrote: > > > Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That can > > > be the source of strange characters. > > > > > > As for the upside down "T", that can be any one of several different > > > > kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to that > > > > paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing paragraph > > > is deleted. > > > > > > Try this: go to Special >> Marker, then highlight the area of the > > > paragraph where the "T" is. The Marker Text box will tell you what > > > kind of marker it is. > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & > > > Electronics | > > > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre > > > Reagan > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:31 PM > > > To: Framer's List > > > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > > > > > And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front > > > of them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front > > > of them. > > > > > > I thought the bold T meant cross-reference? I still don't know what > > > > the outlined box means. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Deirdre > > > > > > > > > On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > > > > Hi all: > > > > > > > > I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC. > > > > > > > > The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the > > > > > whole thing is tagged Chapter Title. > > > > > > > > Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable. > > > > Neither the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in > > > > the rest of the document, as far as I can tell. One paragraph tag >
Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Clint: Nope, no tab or space in the autonumber box. The boxes don't effect the printed output at all. As far as I've been able to determine, they are markers that point to the file I used to create these files. The first file, the one with the T, I renamed to a new name. The T marker points to the original name of the document. The other four files, one with a T and three with a box marker, all point to the file I copied to create those four files. I've been looking through my two reference books (Adobe's User Guide and Adobe's Classroom in a Book) and the online help, but I haven't been able to narrow it down further than they appear to be related to coping and/or renaming the files. Deirdre On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a Tab or Space character in the Autonumber definition for the > Title paragraph? The only way to get rid of those is to edit the > Autonumber properties. Do these boxes affect the printed output? It > could also be a bullet or symbol character of some kind. > > Clint > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 > > > -Original Message- > From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:13 PM > To: Owen, Clint; Framer's List > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > Thanks, Clint. > > The outline box is a little box that is appearing before the first > letter of the text. I tried to delete it and it moved to behind the > text. > > Thank you for setting my mind at ease about these not affecting the > text. I'm being asked to make changes to these documents and I'm > learning as I'm going, so I don't want to remove the one thing that > causes the whole document to crash. > > Deirdre > > > On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The extra markers won't hurt anything, like affecting the printed copy > > > or some such. They don't take up any space in the line. When you go to > > > add a new cross-reference they will show up as possible destinations > > you can choose from. The only way to get rid of them is to delete the > > containing paragraph. > > > > I am not sure what you mean by "outline boxes". Are these showing up > > in your output or moving other characters in the paragraph around? If > > so, they could be cross-references to empty paragraphs, or paragraphs > > with only "space" characters, or something like that. > > > > If you hold the "CTRL" and "ALT" keys and click on a cross-reference, > > you will be taken to the source of the reference, which might give you > > > a clue as to its origin. This works in the TOC if you notice a typo > > and want to go directly to the source to fix it. > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics > > > | > > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:54 PM > > To: Owen, Clint > > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > > > I did what Clive suggested, used the Marker menu item to identify the > > marker, and both the bold T (not upside down, but T) and the box are > > cross-references. > > > > One bold T marks a cross-reference to that chapter's old name (I > > renamed the chapter). > > > > The other bold T and all the outline boxes cross-reference a chapter I > > > copied and renamed to create those chapters. > > > > Is this normal behavior and should I be worried? Can I get rid of > > these markers? They won't delete. Do I want to get rid of them? Do > > I want to keep them? > > > > Any advice would be much appreciated! > > > > Deirdre > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thank you Clint! > > > > > > On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That > > > > can be the source of strange characters. > > > > > > > > As for the upside down "T", that can be any one of several > > > > different > > > > > > kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to > > > > that > > > > > > paragraph the marker will rem
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front of them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front of them. I thought the bold T meant cross-reference? I still don't know what the outlined box means. Thanks, Deirdre On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > Hi all: > > I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC. > > The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the > whole thing is tagged Chapter Title. > > Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable. Neither > the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of > the document, as far as I can tell. One paragraph tag has an asterisk > in front of it, but the other one doesn't. > > Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable. I > don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an > asterisk. > > Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable. > > Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC, > would have different symbols or none at all in front of them? > > Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error > messages, but the symbols all remained the same. > > Thanks, > > Deirdre >
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Hi all: I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC. The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the whole thing is tagged Chapter Title. Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable. Neither the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of the document, as far as I can tell. One paragraph tag has an asterisk in front of it, but the other one doesn't. Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable. I don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an asterisk. Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable. Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC, would have different symbols or none at all in front of them? Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error messages, but the symbols all remained the same. Thanks, Deirdre
Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Thanks, Clint. The outline box is a little box that is appearing before the first letter of the text. I tried to delete it and it moved to behind the text. Thank you for setting my mind at ease about these not affecting the text. I'm being asked to make changes to these documents and I'm learning as I'm going, so I don't want to remove the one thing that causes the whole document to crash. Deirdre On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The extra markers won't hurt anything, like affecting the printed copy > or some such. They don't take up any space in the line. When you go to > add a new cross-reference they will show up as possible destinations you > can choose from. The only way to get rid of them is to delete the > containing paragraph. > > I am not sure what you mean by "outline boxes". Are these showing up in > your output or moving other characters in the paragraph around? If so, > they could be cross-references to empty paragraphs, or paragraphs with > only "space" characters, or something like that. > > If you hold the "CTRL" and "ALT" keys and click on a cross-reference, > you will be taken to the source of the reference, which might give you a > clue as to its origin. This works in the TOC if you notice a typo and > want to go directly to the source to fix it. > > Clint > > > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 > > > -Original Message- > From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:54 PM > To: Owen, Clint > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > I did what Clive suggested, used the Marker menu item to identify the > marker, and both the bold T (not upside down, but T) and the box are > cross-references. > > One bold T marks a cross-reference to that chapter's old name (I renamed > the chapter). > > The other bold T and all the outline boxes cross-reference a chapter I > copied and renamed to create those chapters. > > Is this normal behavior and should I be worried? Can I get rid of these > markers? They won't delete. Do I want to get rid of them? Do I want > to keep them? > > Any advice would be much appreciated! > > Deirdre > > > > > > On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you Clint! > > > > On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That can > > > be the source of strange characters. > > > > > > As for the upside down "T", that can be any one of several different > > > > kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to that > > > > paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing paragraph > > > is deleted. > > > > > > Try this: go to Special >> Marker, then highlight the area of the > > > paragraph where the "T" is. The Marker Text box will tell you what > > > kind of marker it is. > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & > > > Electronics | > > > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre > > > Reagan > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:31 PM > > > To: Framer's List > > > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles > > > > > > And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front > > > of them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front > > > of them. > > > > > > I thought the bold T meant cross-reference? I still don't know what > > > > the outlined box means. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Deirdre > > > > > > > > > On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi all: > > > > > > > > I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC. > > > > > > > > The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the > > > > > whole thing is tagged Chapter Title. > > > > > > > > Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable. > > > > Neither the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in > > > > the rest of the document, as far as
RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That can be the source of strange characters. As for the upside down "T", that can be any one of several different kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to that paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing paragraph is deleted. Try this: go to Special >> Marker, then highlight the area of the paragraph where the "T" is. The Marker Text box will tell you what kind of marker it is. Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:31 PM To: Framer's List Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front of them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front of them. I thought the bold T meant cross-reference? I still don't know what the outlined box means. Thanks, Deirdre On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all: > > I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC. > > The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the > whole thing is tagged Chapter Title. > > Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable. Neither > the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of > the document, as far as I can tell. One paragraph tag has an asterisk > in front of it, but the other one doesn't. > > Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable. I > don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an > asterisk. > > Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable. > > Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC, > would have different symbols or none at all in front of them? > > Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error > messages, but the symbols all remained the same. > > Thanks, > > Deirdre > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. >>>>>>>>>> Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement <<<<<<<<<< The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by MailMarshal ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That can be the source of strange characters. As for the upside down "T", that can be any one of several different kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to that paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing paragraph is deleted. Try this: go to Special >> Marker, then highlight the area of the paragraph where the "T" is. The Marker Text box will tell you what kind of marker it is. Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:31 PM To: Framer's List Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front of them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front of them. I thought the bold T meant cross-reference? I still don't know what the outlined box means. Thanks, Deirdre On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > Hi all: > > I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC. > > The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the > whole thing is tagged Chapter Title. > > Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable. Neither > the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of > the document, as far as I can tell. One paragraph tag has an asterisk > in front of it, but the other one doesn't. > > Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable. I > don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an > asterisk. > > Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable. > > Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC, > would have different symbols or none at all in front of them? > > Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error > messages, but the symbols all remained the same. > > Thanks, > > Deirdre > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. >>>>>>>>>> Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement <<<<<<<<<< The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by MailMarshal
Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front of them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front of them. I thought the bold T meant cross-reference? I still don't know what the outlined box means. Thanks, Deirdre On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all: > > I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC. > > The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the > whole thing is tagged Chapter Title. > > Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable. Neither > the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of > the document, as far as I can tell. One paragraph tag has an asterisk > in front of it, but the other one doesn't. > > Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable. I > don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an > asterisk. > > Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable. > > Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC, > would have different symbols or none at all in front of them? > > Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error > messages, but the symbols all remained the same. > > Thanks, > > Deirdre > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
Hi all: I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC. The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the whole thing is tagged Chapter Title. Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable. Neither the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of the document, as far as I can tell. One paragraph tag has an asterisk in front of it, but the other one doesn't. Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable. I don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an asterisk. Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable. Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC, would have different symbols or none at all in front of them? Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error messages, but the symbols all remained the same. Thanks, Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
