Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-03-06 Thread Eric Steele
On Feb 24, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Elizabeth Leddy ele...@umich.edu wrote: Feel free to respond over email or just edit the document: http://dev.plone.org/plone/wiki/PlipProcess Great work! In general, I'd like to give the fixed release

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-28 Thread Elizabeth Leddy
Hi, at the risk of repeating myself: This all reminds me very much of handling submissions to scientific journals. They appear in regular intervals and have a review process in place to decide what goes in. One difference there, however, is how the review process is organized. Usually,

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-27 Thread Raphael Ritz
On 2/26/11 9:22 PM, Ross Patterson wrote: Alec Mitchellale...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Hanno Schlichtingha...@hannosch.eu wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Elizabeth Leddyele...@umich.edu wrote: Feel free to respond over email or just edit the document:

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 2011-2-25 21:02, Elizabeth Leddy wrote: I cannot remember any Plone releases that only took 6 months - even when we tried hard. I'd usually expect a 50% overrun from any stated timeline, so while aiming for 6 months we can manage to do a release after 9 months. We'd have to

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-26 Thread Alec Mitchell
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Elizabeth Leddy ele...@umich.edu wrote: Feel free to respond over email or just edit the document: http://dev.plone.org/plone/wiki/PlipProcess Great work! Agreed! This has the

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-26 Thread Ross Patterson
Alec Mitchell ale...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Elizabeth Leddy ele...@umich.edu wrote: Feel free to respond over email or just edit the document: http://dev.plone.org/plone/wiki/PlipProcess

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-26 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 26 February 2011 20:06, Alec Mitchell ale...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Elizabeth Leddy ele...@umich.edu wrote: Feel free to respond over email or just edit the document: 

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-25 Thread Elizabeth Leddy
I cannot remember any Plone releases that only took 6 months - even when we tried hard. I'd usually expect a 50% overrun from any stated timeline, so while aiming for 6 months we can manage to do a release after 9 months. We'd have to aim for a 3-4 months cycle to actually be able to do two

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-24 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Elizabeth Leddy ele...@umich.edu wrote: Feel free to respond over email or just edit the document: http://dev.plone.org/plone/wiki/PlipProcess Great work! In general, I'd like to give the fixed release schedule a 6 month test drive. If it sucks we can go back

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-23 Thread Elizabeth Leddy
Hey guys - After the meeting I have drafted some documentation for the new PLIP Life Cycle as would be seem from an implementors perspective. I tried to be detailed so the process was clear and also came across a few questions (they are indicated with a number in brackets plus an explanation at

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-10 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 10 February 2011 04:00, Eric Steele ems...@psu.edu wrote: 1) Consider me +1000 on this 2) Let's plan on faster/regular/smaller releases 3) Review process should be a process of continuous feedback, not the stop doing things so we can maybe look at it over the next 6 weeks 4) We need to

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-10 Thread Alec Mitchell
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Eric Steele ems...@psu.edu wrote: On Feb 9, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Ross Patterson wrote: Ross Patterson m...@rpatterson.net writes: Elizabeth Leddy ele...@umich.edu writes: Thanks for all the feedback guys! Curious what current team members think +1,

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-09 Thread Ross Patterson
Ross Patterson m...@rpatterson.net writes: Elizabeth Leddy ele...@umich.edu writes: Thanks for all the feedback guys! Curious what current team members think  +1, though I expected to gather more contradicting perspectives before weighing in in. Ok, so Eric I think we're a go. Lets

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-02-09 Thread Eric Steele
On Feb 9, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Ross Patterson wrote: Ross Patterson m...@rpatterson.net writes: Elizabeth Leddy ele...@umich.edu writes: Thanks for all the feedback guys! Curious what current team members think +1, though I expected to gather more contradicting perspectives before

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-01-21 Thread Alec Mitchell
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Elizabeth Leddy ele...@umich.edu wrote: Thanks for all the feedback guys! Curious what current team members think Liz I agree that the deadline issue isn't a major one, since the release itself would provide a natural set of deadlines and being pushed to a

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-01-20 Thread Ross Patterson
Elizabeth Leddy ele...@umich.edu writes: Thanks for all the feedback guys! Curious what current team members think  +1, though I expected to gather more contradicting perspectives before weighing in in. Ross On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-01-16 Thread Geir Bækholt
On 14-01-2011 22:24, Elizabeth Leddy wrote: Whaddup FWT - I would like to get a conversation going about reworking the PLIP process. We had some good conversations on IRC about making the process mor continuous so I want to formalize the discussion a bit. Here are my initial thoughts on how to

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-01-16 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 16 January 2011 21:07, Geir Bækholt pl...@baekholt.com wrote: On 14-01-2011 22:24, Elizabeth Leddy wrote: Whaddup FWT - I would like to get a conversation going about reworking the PLIP process. We had some good conversations on IRC about making the process mor continuous so I want to

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-01-16 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 2011-1-16 22:46, Martin Aspeli wrote: I suspect they can be overcome by release managers setting target dates, asking people to contribute to a particular milestone date for a particular planned release, but not holding up a release if people slip. Many smaller deadlines can be better than

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-01-15 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. Thanks for pushing out those thoughts to the mailing list. I'm not much on IRC lately, so I likely missed a lot of the discussions leading up to this. On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Elizabeth Leddy ele...@umich.edu wrote: In general, let's move away from the fixed timeline of announcing,

Re: [Framework-Team] Reworking the PLIP Lifecycle | discussion

2011-01-14 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi Elizabeth, This is a little tl;dr for my current state of flu, but I wanted to make one point: I, for one, need deadlines to get around to doing things. Specific release dates and well-thought-out PLIP timetables really help me structure my work and get things done and plan. A slightly more