Re: [Framework-Team] Fwd: Volunteer to join Framework Team

2021-10-29 Thread Maurits van Rees
Yes. Please invite me as well, I should probably be there as release 
manager. :-)


Maurits

On 29/10/2021 16:19, Alessandro Pisa wrote:

Is anybody ok having a meeting the next week on Tuesday?


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Re: [Framework-Team] RFC: Drop Plone 5.2 support in plone.api

2021-02-28 Thread Maurits van Rees
For clarity, it is not "Drop Plone 5.2 support", but drop support for 
versions earlier than 5.2.


Maurits

On 28/02/2021 10:24, Alessandro Pisa wrote:

Hi everybody, people are requesting an evaluation of:
- https://github.com/plone/plone.api/issues/450

It would be great if we could provide a team answer.

Ciao!


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Re: [Framework-Team] Resignation

2019-11-06 Thread Maurits van Rees

Absolutely. Thanks Gil and Jens.
And thank you to all current framework team members! We don't say that 
often enough.


Maurits

On 06/11/2019 10:21, Timo Stollenwerk wrote:
Thank you, Gil and Jens, for your service at the FWT! Your tireless 
work for the community (past, present, future) is highly appreciated!


Cheers,
Timo

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:48 AM Jens W. Klein <mailto:j...@bluedynamics.com>> wrote:


Hi Gil and all!

thanks Gil for your great work here!

I welcome our new members Rodrigo and Maik!

Since I am now a Board member - and as you may know from my board
nomination - I will also quit the framework team.

It would be just to many tasks for me. My opinion is, more than two
community tasks are enough. I am also on the security team and
there is
currently also work to be done by reviewing possible security issues.

As we are now having more than one project in the foundation to
cover it
will be one of my priorities to get them wired in our processes. The
framework team, its responsibilities and organisation are probably
also
part of this. So stay tuned - but it will take a while.

I'll also try to keep up merging and closing PRs - but please please
help with this task since my focus will shift to the Board work. So,
spread the word to other coredevs to help closing outdated PRs and
issues. If everyone would take one issue or PR a week we would already
do significant better and nobody has the full load on its shoulders.

Ciao!

Jens

On 05.11.19 22:37, Gil Forcada Codinachs wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been thinking about that for months and months, and now,
given that
> there are quite a few new members, it is time for me to say goodbye.
>
> I hope the un-subscription works :)
>
> Cheers,
> Gil
>


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Re: [Framework-Team] Missing tags on github

2019-02-06 Thread Maurits van Rees
I fixed the CHANGES.rst on CMFPlone master, copying it from the PyPI 
release, and removed the relevant entries from the news directory:

https://github.com/plone/Products.CMFPlone/commit/03ae8ce3d3e91b515f3cca8233b75c7137c157fd

I also updated the setup.py version to 5.2b1.dev0, as we want the next 
version to be a beta:

https://github.com/plone/Products.CMFPlone/commit/8809b6807da52a67661b4c1c3a2e6dbb206dc7a2
Same for the Plone package.
Can be reverted of course if we deem a third alpha necessary anyway.

Maurits

Op 06-02-19 om 10:15 schreef Gil Forcada Codinachs:
You are right, for CMFPlone, Eric might have forgotten to do a git 
push --tags.


Missatge de Alessandro Pisa <mailto:alessandro.p...@gmail.com>> del dia dt., 5 de febr. 2019 a les 
21:11:


I see we are missing some tags in github
https://github.com/plone/Products.CMFPlone
I expected to see 5.2a2 and 5.2a3 (which is currently pending).
Am I wrong?

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Re: [Framework-Team] pytz versions in Plone 5.0.2

2016-01-12 Thread Maurits van Rees
Unfortunately we can't. Well, not without fixing tests in various packages, and 
possibly code outside the tests as well. IIRC there is an abandoned pull 
request or branch on coredev for this.

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> Op 12 jan. 2016 om 16:41 heeft Johannes Raggam <thete...@gmail.com> het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> We can safely update or even remove the version specifier.
> 
> 
>> On 01/12/2016 04:02 PM, Jens W. Klein wrote:
>> Did I miss the reason why we use an outdated pytz, older than in
>> underlying Zope 2.13.23?
>> 
>> pytz
>> 2013b... http://dist.plone.org/release/5.0-latest/versions.cfg
>> 2015.4.. http://dist.plone.org/versions/zope-2-13-23-versions.cfg
>> 2013b...http://dist.plone.org/versions/zopetoolkit-1-0-8-ztk-versions.cfg
>> 
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Re: [Framework-Team] Stepping down

2015-11-11 Thread Maurits van Rees
As Paul Roeland said at the Dutch Plone User Day yesterday, Plone is in its 
fifteenth year, proving that it is sustainable software, and we can and should 
work on it in a sustainable way, with a healthy life-work balance.
See 
http://maurits.vanrees.org/weblog/archive/2015/11/paul-roeland-meer-dan-software-de-weg-naar-plone-5
 
<http://maurits.vanrees.org/weblog/archive/2015/11/paul-roeland-meer-dan-software-de-weg-naar-plone-5>
 (Dutch only)

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> On 11 Nov 2015, at 00:44, David Glick (Plone) <david.gl...@plone.org> wrote:
> 
> Open source work has a way of taking more of us than we originally intended 
> to give, and it's so important to recognize when that happens and correct it.
> 
> Jesse Noller had a good blog post on this topic recently: 
> http://jessenoller.com/blog/2015/10/31/community-boundaries 
> <http://jessenoller.com/blog/2015/10/31/community-boundaries>
> 
> And I also think of Marius Gedminas' recent tweet, " At least I no longer do 
> stuff because I think I should, or because stuff need to be done - when I do 
> FOSS, I do it because it's fun."
> 
> All the best to you Roel, and the rest of you...hope to see many of you in 
> Boston, or maybe sooner.
> David
> 
> On 11/10/15 3:36 PM, Roel Bruggink wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Okay, that "change of interest" sounded a bit more dramatic than intended :)
>> 
>> I found myself in a position where work-private life was out of balance and 
>> no longer sustainable for me.
>> 
>> There were two triggers for this conclusion. One was, of course, Rob leaving 
>> Four Digits and the process in "reinventing" our company. The other was a 
>> remark by Timo during the Anniversary Sprint where we talked a bit about why 
>> he stopped playing drums, which boiled down to "that's how things go". It 
>> made me think if I was ready to give up on that just now - I'm not.
>> 
>> Playing drums and making music has been a huge part of my life for a long 
>> time, but didn't get the attention it needed. I'm not trying to become a 
>> rockstar -as Ramon suggested-,  though I do need to find myself a band and 
>> create music again. 
>> 
>> In all, thank you for an awesome and educational time in the FWT. Hopefully 
>> see you guys soon!
>> 
>> -Roel
>> 
>> On 10 November 2015 at 22:16, Johannes Raggam <thete...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:thete...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> tnx man! and hope to see you around some time.
>> 
>> cheers,
>>   johannes
>> 
>> On 11/10/2015 05:23 PM, Roel Bruggink wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm stepping down from the FWT effective immediately due to change of
>> interest.
>> If you need any kind of input, please don't hesitate to ask!
>> 
>> So long, and thanks for all the fish!
>> 
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Re: [Framework-Team] Stepping down

2015-11-10 Thread Maurits van Rees

Thanks, Roel. Greetings from the Dutch Plone user day. We missed you!

Maurits

Op 10/11/15 om 17:23 schreef Roel Bruggink:

Hi all,

I'm stepping down from the FWT effective immediately due to change of 
interest.

If you need any kind of input, please don't hesitate to ask!

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

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Re: [Framework-Team] pypi ticket for adding Plone 5.0 to trove tags

2014-04-16 Thread Maurits van Rees

Giacomo Spettoli schreef op 15-04-14 15:32:


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On 04/15/2014 12:50 PM, Johannes Raggam wrote:
 I just opened a ticket on the pypi issue tracker to add
 Framework :: Plone :: 5.0 to the trove tags.

 https://sourceforge.net/p/pypi/support-requests/366/

 Looks like, Plone is the only project, which has version-specific trove
 tags. https://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=list_classifiers

 Should we give up these version specific tags?

IMHO no one would really trust the classifiers list for knowing the 
plugin's compatibility. I normally take a look at the README (when I'm 
lucky) and to the code (when I'm not lucky).


When I am working on a package in the collective and wonder what it is 
supposed to be compatible with, I do look at the classifiers, so that I 
know with which Plone versions I should be testing any changes that I 
make. I like that.
Of course they can be out of date, just like a remark in the readme can 
be out of date.


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Re: [Framework-Team] New releases in the Plone 3.3 series

2010-10-13 Thread Maurits van Rees
  Op 13-10-10 00:43, Wouter Vanden Hove schreef:
 Maurits van Rees wrote:

 At least I know Products.Archetypes could use a new release (which would
 become 1.5.17). I e-mailed Daniel Nouri earlier today about that, but if
 someone else wants to do the honours that is fine as well of course.
Note that for Products.Archetypes I heard from Daniel Nouri that he is 
not really active as archetypes release manager anymore.  Recent 
releases have been made by Eric, Hanno, Andi and Wichert.  Perhaps one 
of you can do a release of the 1.5 branch?

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Re: [Framework-Team] New releases in the Plone 3.3 series

2010-10-07 Thread Maurits van Rees
  Op 07-10-10 16:59, Wouter Vanden Hove schreef:
 Eric Steele wrote:

 FWIW, we're two packages (plus CMFPlone) away from having a 3.3.6 release
 ready.
 We don't have a dedicated milestone for Plone 3.3.6 in Trac with a list of
 bugs we like to see solved for this specific release.

 So what is the criterium to say we're two packages away from a release?
 What are those two packages?

At least I know Products.Archetypes could use a new release (which would 
become 1.5.17). I e-mailed Daniel Nouri earlier today about that, but if 
someone else wants to do the honours that is fine as well of course.

Cheers,

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Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP #11021 - Simple theming customizations through the plone interface

2010-08-31 Thread Maurits van Rees

 Op 31-08-10 05:41, Rob Porter schreef:

Hello framework team,
I'd like to officially submit the following PLIP for consideration for Plone 
4.1:https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/11021  
https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/10878
The html link points to a different plip than the text. So here is a 
plain text link for good measure:

https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/11021

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Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP #10778 (UUIDs) - ready for initial review

2010-08-30 Thread Maurits van Rees
  Op 29-08-10 07:24, Martin Aspeli schreef:
 plone.uuid provides a simple API for generating and accessing UUIDs.

If we use this to create uuids for non-content items, that cannot be 
traversed to, would that give any problems?

For example, it might be nice to use this to create the secrets that the 
password reset tool sends out, or secrets used in a newsletter product. 
I had a few ideas some months back that may or may not ever get 
implemented. ;-)

I'd guess that, as long as such a non-content item with a uuid does not 
end up in the portal_catalog, there is no way to accidentally try to 
traverse to such non-content.

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Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meeting Minutes - Aug. 24, 2010

2010-08-25 Thread Maurits van Rees
  Op 24-08-10 21:57, David Glick schreef:
 - Scheduling
  - Final PLIP submission deadline is next Friday, Aug. 30

Is that Friday 27 or Monday 30?


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Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone-developers] Upcoming Plone 4.0 releases

2010-05-21 Thread Maurits van Rees
Op 20-05-10 22:00, David Glick schreef:
 On 5/20/10 12:58 PM, Eric Steele wrote:
 The main issues I'd like to see fixed and released before we move to RC are:

 #10124 - should remove Large Plone Folder type and expose the folder 
 ordering setting in the schema

 I have started working on this one.
 #10360 - Incomplete migration: site_properties and portal_controlpanel
 #10363 - Can not edit personal information when one is loged in with email 
 address

I fixed this one.  Feel free to assign any remaining emaillogin related 
tickets to me.

 #10365 / #10366 - @@blob-file-migration fails on migrated site
 #10549 - Uncaught NotFound exception in plone.app.linkintegrity when page 
 contains some @@{view} links


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Re: [Framework-Team] Version support policy: revisions to page (with no change to policy)

2010-01-13 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 02:31:25PM +, Graham Perrin wrote:
 Casting a fresh eye over some areas of plone.org after a few months'
 focus elsewhere, the support policy wasn't immediately clear.
 
 (I'm familiar with the intention of the policy, but when I read it
 on screen, something seemed not quite right.)
 
 I have taken the liberty of editing
 http://plone.org/support/version-support-policy

4.x will be major. makes me think: 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 etc are major
versions.  And then the text says 4.1 and 4.2 will be minor. which
makes me confused.

I would say: Plone 4 will be a major release.

BTW, I have no access to the previous version of this document.

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[Framework-Team] Plip 9214 (email logins) has been merged

2009-10-09 Thread Maurits van Rees
Hi all,

I am happy to announce that plip 9214, email logins, has been merged.

Cheers,

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[Framework-Team] PLIP 9214, emaillogins, ready for final review

2009-09-29 Thread Maurits van Rees
PLIP 9214, to enable logging in with your email address, is ready for
final review.

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Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP load test reports available

2009-09-06 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 05:52:52PM +0800, Martin Aspeli wrote:
 This is really good stuff!

 I must admit, I don't understand the graphs or the tables-of-graphs at
 all, though. Is there a quick explanation somewhere about how to read
 them?

The reference bench results are for Plone4 without plips.
The challenger bench results are for one of the plips.

If the graph is mostly green, the plip has better performance.
If the graph is mostly red, the plip has worse performance.

For each plip three tests have been done, showing performance for:
- content creation
- read only
- heavy writes
I don't know what is being tested exactly.

On the front page of the tests at
http://weblion.psu.edu/static/loadtesting/plone4.0/plips.html
you have per plip the following items:
- label/name of the plip
- for each of the three tests:
  - main graph, with link to detailed report of the plip
  - main difference graph between plip and plain plone, with link to
detailed difference report

Take the diffence page for plip 9310 showing heavy writes:
http://bit.ly/vN9kJ

The first graph has the requests per second.
The blue line shows the results for B1 (bench 1, plain plain 4.0)
The purple line shows the results for B2 (bench 2, plip 9310)

The first part shows the difference between those lines as red,
meaning that the plip is slightly slower; this part of the graph is
for 1-3 concurrent users.

To the right we have a green difference, meaning that the plip is
faster, even up to 80% for 10 concurrent users.

If results look too absurd, probably something went wrong in the
tests.  For example plip 8814, replacing secure mail host, looks
totally red.  Apparently with that plip we serve a whopping zero pages
per second. :-)

I hope that clears things up a bit.

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Re: [Framework-Team] PLIPs in Trac

2009-06-18 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:48:24PM +0100, Matthew Wilkes wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'd like to open a public discussion on where tracs should be.  As some 
 of you may know, I'm very much against the PLIPs-in-trac system that has 
 been implemented following out-of-band discussions last year.

 I think we need to make a proper decision, I'm not sure how that will  
 happen, but if it'll stop me whinging either way.

 For Plone 4.0 we've put PLIPs on plone.org, this has the following  
 advatanges:
 - Unique, relatively low number for each PLIP
 - Custom content type enforces PLIP structure
 - Workflow matches our process

I do not really mind either way.  But I talked with Jean-Paul Ladage
about this today and he is right in saying that end users wanting to
know the future of Plone will look at the roadmap on plone.org and
they will not be impressed: http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap

They will see a bunch of plips for 3.3, one for trunk, and then about
40 'Proposals being discussed'.  Since some are apparently being
discussed since 2005 these 40 proposals might as well be ignored as
there is no guarantee or indication about when they might get
included.  This is not the sign of the healthy, active project that
Plone still is.


 The disadvantage of it being on a different site has been raised, but I 
 don't buy this.  How often do you want to look at the bugs and PLIPs for 
 a release at the same time?  They have a completely different process.

 The current crop of PLIPs for 4.0 are very unstructured, only the ones  
 copied verbatim from plone.org have seconders.  We're having to bodge  
 workflow by assigning different milestones.  It's really suboptimal.

 Do others agree with me, or do you prefer trac?

 Despairingly yours,

 Matt

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Re: [Framework-Team] Version Support Confusion

2009-04-23 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 02:07:58PM -0700, Steve McMahon wrote:
 Active maintenance of Plone happens for one major version of Plone at a time.
 Once a new major version is released, the old major version is
 maintained until the first minor version of the new major version is
 released.

To me, the second sentence contradicts the first one: we maintain one
major version at a time, except when we maintain two... :-) How about
this:

Active maintenance of Plone happens for one major version of Plone at
a time.  The exception is that once a new major version is released,
the old major version is maintained until the first minor version of
the new major version is released.

Or:

Active maintenance of Plone happens for one major version of Plone at
a time.  When a new major verson of Plone is released, this new
version will be the actively maintained version.  However, there is a
period of overlap: until the first minor version of the new major
version is released, the old major version is also maintained.


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Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP process in Trac for Plone 4 onwards

2009-04-03 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 03:49:32PM +0200, Alexander Limi wrote:
 Hi all,

 Just wanted to summarize how I think we'll using Trac for the PLIPs for  
 Plone 4 onwards:

 - PLIPs are added as tickets with the PLIP type.

 - PLIPs show up in http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/24

 - If you propose for a particular release, you assign it to that 
 release's milestone.

 - Idea PLIPs are put in the Future milestone.

 - That the ticket is accepted reflects FWT vote

I think accepted could mean two different things here:

1. The plip idea is accepted as a candidate for Plone x; no code has
   been written yet.

2. The plip has been implemented and this implementation is accepted
   and is ready for merge.

Do we need a separate state for one of those?

I guess if a plip idea is not accepted it wil immediately be put in
the rejected state, or perhaps if the idea is fine but not for the
upcoming plone version, then the milestone will be changed.


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[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 3.3 PLIP merges

2009-02-28 Thread Maurits van Rees
Andrew Burkhalter, on 2009-02-27:

 PLIP 126 is now merged and the review bundle archived.  I've tried to be as
 comprehensive as possible here, but I hope any mistakes I've made will be
 pointed out.

 Tasks that I believe need to be done from here are:

 - Need new release of plone.app.controlpanel (looks like wichert, hannosch,
 or optilude need to do this)
 - Need new release of plone.app.portlets (looks like this is either wichert
 or optilude)

A new release of plone.app.portlets is also needed for plip 197 that I
just merged.

 - Possibly changes to versions.cfg and etc/versions with
 plonenext/branches/3.3, I didn't take the time to figure out what was
 needed.

It looks like nothing is needed here at this point.

 - Relevant merging to trunk

I'd say you can do this now.

 Am I on the right track here?

Looks like it to me, but plip 197 is the first plip I did, so I'm no
expert. :)

 Thanks!

 Andrew

And thank you for creating a new plone.app.portlets branch so I did
not need to do that for my plip. :)

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[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP 197 ready for review: feedparser as external dependency

2009-01-20 Thread Maurits van Rees
Martijn Pieters, on 2009-01-20:
 On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 17:19, Maurits van Rees
 I could not reproduce that later, but I say we call the
 dependency ``FeedFeeder`` and everything should work.

 I take it you meant 'FeedParser' in that last sentence ;-)

D'oh!  You are right.  Products.feedfeeder (which is actually all
lowercase except for the 'Products' part) is an add-on product where I
first added the FeedParser requirement in setup.py.  This is not the
first time I mixed up the names and it probably won't be the last. ;-)

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[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP #197: Add FeedParser as external requirement

2008-10-03 Thread Maurits van Rees
Martijn Pieters, on 2008-10-03:
 On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 23:59, Maurits van Rees
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The plip is:
 #197: Add FeedParser as external requirement instead of shipping with it
 http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap/197

 Originally proposed by Christian Scholz in December 2007.  Seconded
 bij Martijn Pieters.

 I did not; Jens Klein seconded it, I gave my framework team vote on it
 already (a +1).

Ah yes, that was what I meant. :)

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[Framework-Team] Plip 197 in 3.2? FeedParser

2008-08-14 Thread Maurits van Rees
Hi,

Since Plone 3.2 will mostly be about packaging and installers, shall
we add Plip 197 as well?  See
http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap/197
with title:
Add FeedParser as external requirement instead of shipping with it 

Explanation:

plone.app.portlets.portlets currently has feedparser.py in it.  That
is now available as proper package via the cheese shop.  So remove the
file from plone.app.portlets and add FeedParser in the setup.py.


This issue by Wichert proposes the same:
https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/7299
I added some comments there last week.

The Unified Installer actually already has FeedParser in buildout.cfg:
https://dev.plone.org/plone/changeset/18436
https://dev.plone.org/plone/changeset/18907

Questions are:

- Does this need a maintenance branch for the current code that still
  contains feedparser.py?

- In case someone messes up the install, do we want to fail graciously
  when FeedParser is not available?  Or do we want Zope to crash and burn?
  Failing graciously sounds... gracious, but it looks less than
  trivial to hide e.g. the 'Add RSS portlet' option conditionally.


I could make the changes in plone.app.portlets.  If any installers or
recipes would need to be changed for this, I could try, but I would
need assistence/pointers.


The only danger is that I keep writing 'feedfeeder' when I mean
'feedparser'... :-) See http://plone.org/products/feedfeeder where I
actually made the same change last week.

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[Framework-Team] Re: buildout error for plip215

2008-02-15 Thread Maurits van Rees
Tom Lazar, on 2008-02-15:
 hi ree, thanks for the quick reply!

 it turns out, that my ~/.buildout/default.cfg was the culprit, where i  
 had activated the new ppix index on advice from reinout[1]:

 index = http://download.zope.org/ppix

 after removing that the buildout works fine, sorry for the confusion.  
 i'm reclaiming the ticket and will continue with my review.

 thanks,

 tom

 [1] 
 http://vanrees.org/weblog/archive/2008/01/09/ppix-instead-of-pypi-from-now-on

It works fine with that index when I try it.

The last item in the index page for this package does look strange
though:

http://download.zope.org/ppix/infrae.subversion/

  pa 
href=https://svn.infrae.com/buildout/infrae.subversion/trunk#egg=infrae.subversion-dev`_.https://svn.infrae.com/buildout/infrae.subversion/trunk#egg=infrae.subversion-dev`_./a/p

I wonder if that somehow borks things, at least for some people.

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