Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema
Hi Matt, It's been awhile since I've seen Rudy Burckhardt's Eastside Summer, but it's spontaneous street photography (lovely, 1950s NYC footage). I wonder, though, if by recording people on the street, etc., you mean that the filmmaker is shooting one particular spot, or one person, or one activity. That would be different than Burckhardt et al. I would think more of the sequence from Jim McBride's David Holzman's Diary for which the cameraman (Michael Wadleigh) shot a handheld 'tracking shot' while walking past a row of park benches, filming the people sitting on them. This documentary footage (a single long take) is then incorporated into the film's fictional context as if it were shot by the film's protagonist. Andy Ditzler On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM, matt's frameworks address li...@rodeofilmco.com wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I am trying to drum up a list of films/videos that use voyeurism and/or street photography as a central component. But in typing this I realize that neither 'voyeurism' nor 'street photography' are really the correct words/terms to use for what I am looking for. I am interested in the cinematic equivalent of 'street photography,' specifically films like those made by Nathaniel Dorsky or Jem Cohen, where the filmmaker is filmming/recording people on the street and/or other public places without their knowledge. Voyeurism tends to be associated with watching people in private spaces doing private things, which is not what i am interested in, but the word still lends itself to this query. Any ideas of films, and good words/terms to describe them would be much appreciated! -Matt -- --- www.rodeofilmco.com --- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] film made in Saigon
http://archive.org/details/SirSomeQuestions I have just uploaded this ... I made a few years back when I was living in Saigon. The music is by a Vietnamese noise artist I also worked with. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] film made in Saigon
Will watch soon. Glad to know there are noise artists working in Viet Nam. PS-Should'nt that be Ho Chi Minh City? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] women movie theater workers
Hello frameworks, I?m working on a short film about women movie theater workers?usherettes, box officers, cigarette girls, concessionaires?and am looking for footage that features them. If you know of anything that features such women please let me know! I have already found a few Hollywood films about usherettes: /This Way Please/, /No Limit/, /The Good Fairy/, and /I?ll Be Yours/. I appreciate the help! All the best, Emily ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] women movie theater workers
What about female projectionists? If you're just looking for Hollywood footage, you could use Inglorious Bastards, and hopefully some other movies that I can't think of right now. Or you could go to any number of movie theaters (with permission) and capture some yourself. Or you could use photographs. photo: http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/people-issue-becca-hall-northwest-chicago-film-society/Content?oid=8201745 video: http://www.wsbt.com/videogallery/65041203/Entertainment/A-visit-with-a-movie-projectionist On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Emily Drummer emj...@hampshire.eduwrote: Hello frameworks, I?m working on a short film about women movie theater workers?usherettes, box officers, cigarette girls, concessionaires?and am looking for footage that features them. If you know of anything that features such women please let me know! I have already found a few Hollywood films about usherettes: *This Way Please*, *No Limit*, *The Good Fairy*, and *I?ll Be Yours*. I appreciate the help! All the best, Emily ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] women movie theater workers
Mary Jane's Not a Virgin Anymore ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema
I don't normally like to mention my own films but since this subject is so up my street As well as 'The Girl Chewing Gum' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57hJn-nkKSA you might like to see this extract from 'Worst Case Scenario' http://www.johnsmithfilms.com/texts/sf12.html John Smith Message: 3 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:13:09 -0500 From: matt's frameworks address li...@rodeofilmco.com Subject: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Message-ID: cahs46rvfz++bgay7uhoau6o9nkma0lspt7f2gepatp5x8wt...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Frameworkers, I am trying to drum up a list of films/videos that use voyeurism and/or street photography as a central component. But in typing this I realize that neither 'voyeurism' nor 'street photography' are really the correct words/terms to use for what I am looking for. I am interested in the cinematic equivalent of 'street photography,' specifically films like those made by Nathaniel Dorsky or Jem Cohen, where the filmmaker is filmming/recording people on the street and/or other public places without their knowledge. Voyeurism tends to be associated with watching people in private spaces doing private things, which is not what i am interested in, but the word still lends itself to this query. Any ideas of films, and good words/terms to describe them would be much appreciated! -Matt -- --- www.rodeofilmco.com --- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema
There's Steve Reinke's Speculative Anthropology, which ends with one of the viewed throwing something at the camera. On 1/27/13 1:00 PM, frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I am trying to drum up a list of films/videos that use voyeurism and/or street photography as a central component. But in typing this I realize that neither 'voyeurism' nor 'street photography' are really the correct words/terms to use for what I am looking for. I am interested in the cinematic equivalent of 'street photography,' specifically films like those made by Nathaniel Dorsky or Jem Cohen, where the filmmaker is filmming/recording people on the street and/or other public places without their knowledge. Voyeurism tends to be associated with watching people in private spaces doing private things, which is not what i am interested in, but the word still lends itself to this query. Any ideas of films, and good words/terms to describe them would be much appreciated! -Matt ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] FW: Seeking suggestions - Polaroids in film or video
There's Rosario Sotelo's Spectra vimeo.com/2276 And Neil Henderson's Polaroid Films C On 1/25/13 1:21 AM, frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com wrote: Hi All, Mimi Brody at Northwestern University¹s Block Cinema is looking for films/videos that use Polaroids (see below) - especially experimental works. Contact her directly (m-br...@northwestern.edu) or, if you reply here, I¹ll forward to her. Thx. Patrick Friel ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] FW: Seeking suggestions - Polaroids in film or video
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Re: [Frameworks] women movie theater workers
Hey Emily, Nice to see your message! I volunteer at a small underground cinema in amsterdam and about half of our volunteers are female. Think I might have some footage (not best quality though) If you're interested, will search my harddrive Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:11:07 -0500 From: emj...@hampshire.edu To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] women movie theater workers Hello frameworks, I?m working on a short film about women movie theater workers?usherettes, box officers, cigarette girls, concessionaires?and am looking for footage that features them. If you know of anything that features such women please let me know! I have already found a few Hollywood films about usherettes: This Way Please, No Limit, The Good Fairy, and I?ll Be Yours. I appreciate the help! All the best, Emily ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema
Chuck, Helen Levitt's still camera was nothing specially design to trick people. She used an eyepiece that is not unlike many of the optical viewfinders that folks attach to DSLRs today. But, it did allow her to point her body in a different direction, away from her subjects, while she shot. But, in regards to street photography, I've always thought of it as an exploration of public space (as you alluded to Matt). For me, it is a celebration of interactions: people with others, people with architecture and public spaces, subject and maker, etc. I'd love to hear more about the project as it develops. Joel www.joelwanek.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema
On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Joel Wanek wrote: Chuck, Helen Levitt's still camera was nothing specially design to trick people. She used an eyepiece that is not unlike many of the optical viewfinders that folks attach to DSLRs today. But, it did allow her to point her body in a different direction, away from her subjects, while she shot. These were fairly common accessories back in the 40s -- right angle finders -- check the ads in old issues of Popular Photography. There was a somewhat odd emphasis on candid photography which translated into sneak shooting. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema
interesting, Jeff. perhaps the marketing of it was different than the intention for inventing it. from what i've always understood, they were designed to photograph at strange angles or when the camera was lower/higher than comfortable for the eye. in an interview i read once, levitt referred to it as a 'winkelsucher' which translates (i think) to angle seeker/finder. what's interesting now, as digital photography and cinema tools have become one, is how one can be shooting video with a camera that looks like it is strictly for stills. so, one can attain candid footage in a different (easier, perhaps?) way than with motion picture film cameras. Joel www.joelwanek.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema
Joel: These finders are different from the later right angle finders -- they usually were designed for Leica rangefinder cameras and were fixed in orientation, so you looked into the side of the camera. They didn't use the camera's finder. There was also a waist level finder called the DeMornay-Budd that was a bit like a TLR finder you looked down into. Personally, I prefer cameras that do not hide the fact you are shooting. On Jan 27, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Joel Wanek wrote: interesting, Jeff. perhaps the marketing of it was different than the intention for inventing it. from what i've always understood, they were designed to photograph at strange angles or when the camera was lower/higher than comfortable for the eye. in an interview i read once, levitt referred to it as a 'winkelsucher' which translates (i think) to angle seeker/finder. what's interesting now, as digital photography and cinema tools have become one, is how one can be shooting video with a camera that looks like it is strictly for stills. so, one can attain candid footage in a different (easier, perhaps?) way than with motion picture film cameras. Joel www.joelwanek.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema
However, Walker Evans did work that way on the subway series, correct? He could point his (still) camera in that directions and actually be taking a photo in another direction. As I understand it, this was deliberate, in order to catch people unawares. Tom From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Kreines Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:50 PM To: j...@joelwanek.com; Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Joel Wanek wrote: Chuck, Helen Levitt's still camera was nothing specially design to trick people. She used an eyepiece that is not unlike many of the optical viewfinders that folks attach to DSLRs today. But, it did allow her to point her body in a different direction, away from her subjects, while she shot. These were fairly common accessories back in the 40s -- right angle finders -- check the ads in old issues of Popular Photography. There was a somewhat odd emphasis on candid photography which translated into sneak shooting. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema
Also Burckhardt's Under the Brooklyn Bridge and What Mozart Saw on Mulberry Street From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ditzler Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:20 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema Hi Matt, It's been awhile since I've seen Rudy Burckhardt's Eastside Summer, but it's spontaneous street photography (lovely, 1950s NYC footage). I wonder, though, if by recording people on the street, etc., you mean that the filmmaker is shooting one particular spot, or one person, or one activity. That would be different than Burckhardt et al. I would think more of the sequence from Jim McBride's David Holzman's Diary for which the cameraman (Michael Wadleigh) shot a handheld 'tracking shot' while walking past a row of park benches, filming the people sitting on them. This documentary footage (a single long take) is then incorporated into the film's fictional context as if it were shot by the film's protagonist. Andy Ditzler On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM, matt's frameworks address li...@rodeofilmco.commailto:li...@rodeofilmco.com wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I am trying to drum up a list of films/videos that use voyeurism and/or street photography as a central component. But in typing this I realize that neither 'voyeurism' nor 'street photography' are really the correct words/terms to use for what I am looking for. I am interested in the cinematic equivalent of 'street photography,' specifically films like those made by Nathaniel Dorsky or Jem Cohen, where the filmmaker is filmming/recording people on the street and/or other public places without their knowledge. Voyeurism tends to be associated with watching people in private spaces doing private things, which is not what i am interested in, but the word still lends itself to this query. Any ideas of films, and good words/terms to describe them would be much appreciated! -Matt -- --- www.rodeofilmco.comhttp://www.rodeofilmco.com --- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] FW: Seeking suggestions - Polaroids in film or video
Cauleen Smith's DRYLONGSO On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Scott Dorsey klu...@panix.com wrote: Amelie --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] exporting audio from Final Cut for optical print
Hi all, just checking in for some advice. Has anyone had any issues working in Final Cut Pro, exporting their audio as .wav to make their optical sound print? I did this recently and while the file was the exact same running time, the audio fell out of sync fairly quickly. Any recommendations? Fixing to go to Pro Tools and see how that export works. Thanks, alee ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
