Re: [Frameworks] The Participatory Camera

[Carl E Bogner]

John, hi -
Would Joyce Wieland + Hollis Frampton's  A + B in 
Ontario
 count? Wieland and Frampton shot it in 1967, the 
film edited in 1984.

Nancy Holt and Robert Smithson's 
Swamp (1971)?

Though, sure, I wouldn't say these are overlooked or under-appreciated. I'm 
just avoiding grading.

Carl
Milwaukee



From: FrameWorks  on behalf of John 
Powers 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:53 PM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
Subject: [Frameworks] The Participatory Camera

Hi Frameworkers,

Sorry to hit the list with one of those periodic crowd-sourcing requests, but 
I'm curious if anyone can recommend experimental films from the 1960s-80s, 
especially overlooked or under-appreciated, where the camera could be said to 
"participate" in the actions depicted, rather than simply to "observe." I 
understand that these distinctions are not so black-and-white, and, construed 
broadly, any instance of shooting film could be called "participatory." But I'm 
thinking more of examples like Carolee Schneemann's FUSES, where the camera is 
integrated into Carolee and Tenney's sexual life, and they pass it back and 
forth; or Brakhage's WEDLOCK HOUSE: AN INTERCOURSE, where Stan & Jane pass the 
camera back-and-forth during an argument. CHRISTMAS ON EARTH is another 
candidate. Anyone have similar examples of 
camera-sharing/participation/interaction with the instrument, however you want 
to construe such a thing?

Thanks for your assistance!

best,
John

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Re: [Frameworks] Autobiographical Films

[Carl E Bogner]

Lindsay, also and but of course, the work of another colleague:


Kym McDaniel’s Exit Strategy 
series<https://www.kymmcdaniel.com/exit-strategy-1/> (#1-#6)


Carl
Milwaukee


From: FrameWorks  on behalf of Carl E 
Bogner 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 11:27 AM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Autobiographical Films



Lindsay,

Some ideas re: autobiographical


Ariel Teal’s Becoming<http://arielkateteal.com/BECOMING-1>

Neil Goldberg’s My Parents Read Dreams I’ve Had About 
Them<https://neilgoldberg.com/work_dreams.htm>

Carrie Hawks’ black enuf<https://www.blackenuf.com/>

Scott Fitzpatrick<https://vimeo.com/artbarbarian>’s Fifth Metacarpal

Drew Durepos’ Elder Abuse<https://vimeo.com/256346126>

Jenni Olson’s Blue 
Diary<https://www.frameline.org/distribution/distribution-catalog/distribution-film-index/blue-diary>


Thanks for instigating this thread. "Following,” as they say.


Carl

Milwaukee



From: FrameWorks  on behalf of lindsay 
mcintyre 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 9:59 PM
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Subject: [Frameworks] Autobiographical Films

Hi Frameworkers,

I the wisdom of the list-serve. I'm looking for some good, available, 
(preferably short) autobiographical, auto-ethnographic or even fictionalized 
autobiographical films. Maybe some that are off the beaten path or new to the 
world. Experimental or otherwise. Can anyone think of funny ones? Indigenous 
makers or people of colour, female, non-binary, suggestions are great but any 
and all suggestions are very welcome. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Lindsay McIntyre


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Re: [Frameworks] Autobiographical Films

[Carl E Bogner]

Lindsay,

Some ideas re: autobiographical


Ariel Teal’s Becoming

Neil Goldberg’s My Parents Read Dreams I’ve Had About 
Them

Carrie Hawks’ black enuf

Scott Fitzpatrick’s Fifth Metacarpal

Drew Durepos’ Elder Abuse

Jenni Olson’s Blue 
Diary


Thanks for instigating this thread. "Following,” as they say.


Carl

Milwaukee



From: FrameWorks  on behalf of lindsay 
mcintyre 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 9:59 PM
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Subject: [Frameworks] Autobiographical Films

Hi Frameworkers,

I the wisdom of the list-serve. I'm looking for some good, available, 
(preferably short) autobiographical, auto-ethnographic or even fictionalized 
autobiographical films. Maybe some that are off the beaten path or new to the 
world. Experimental or otherwise. Can anyone think of funny ones? Indigenous 
makers or people of colour, female, non-binary, suggestions are great but any 
and all suggestions are very welcome. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Lindsay McIntyre


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Re: [Frameworks] FrameWorks Digest, Vol 94, Issue 20: Portrait Films

[Carl E Bogner]

Edward Owens’ Remembrance: A Portrait 
Study
 (6min., 1967), available from Film-makers Coop, who shares the Tate’s 
description:


Remembrance: A Portrait Study is a filmic portrait of the artist’s mother, 
Mildered Owens, and her friends Irene Collins and Nettie Thomas, set to a score 
of 50s and 60s hit songs. Using Baroque lighting techniques, Owens captures the 
three women drinking and lounging one evening.


Also screening in Milwaukee on April 
24, just saying.


Carl



From: FrameWorks  on behalf of 
Katherine Bauer 
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 12:38 PM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] FrameWorks Digest, Vol 94, Issue 20

HI Frameworkers
I was wondering if anyone could give some titles of films that are "portrait 
films"
I am teaching at Hofstra U, and I am feeling stumped after assigning the kids 
to make a portrait film, on examples of what to show them.
Just juggling so much, thought I would reach out for some help on at least on 
of my 100s of to dos!
Anything, narrative, experimental, avant-gaurd, structuralist, montage...
just that tells the story of a person.
preferably SHORT FILMS! But CAN also be features too.
Thanks.
xoK



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Re: [Frameworks] Eulogy Films

[Carl E Bogner]

Ahhh, more generalized/communal/generational that you may be interested in, but 
also:

Michael Wallin’s Decodings (1988)

Mike Hoolboom’s Letters from Home (1996)



From: FrameWorks  on behalf of Margaret 
Rorison 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 10:43 AM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: [Frameworks] Eulogy Films

Dear Film Friends,

I am curious about film eulogies and would love to know more films that have 
been made to honor someone. For example, Nathaniel Dorsky's August and After

I am looking for short films in particular.

Poetic gestures of goodbye, final notes, odes...

thank you,
Margaret Rorison

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Margaret Rorison
margaretrorison.com
One Document for Hope . Funes el memorioso. vindmøller


http://sightunseenbaltimore.com/
Sight Unseen
sightunseenbaltimore.com
5/30 - Arab Experimental Films: Reflections on Situated Time . 4/6 - The Body 
Extended: Works by Scott Stark . 12/14 - 52nd Ann Arbor Film Festival Tour




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Re: [Frameworks] Eulogy Films

[Carl E Bogner]

Michele Pearson Clarke’s  “All That is Left Unsaid”


(Er, but were you asking after film work in particular...)


From: FrameWorks  on behalf of Ken 
Eisenstein 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 10:59 AM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Eulogy Films

Gloria!
Sirius Remembered

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:50 AM, LJ Frezza 
> wrote:
I recently caught Sky Hopinka's I'll Remember You as You Were, not as What 
You'll Become. Defintely worth checking it out if you haven't seen it.
-LJ

On Mar 18, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Margaret Rorison 
> wrote:

Dear Film Friends,

I am curious about film eulogies and would love to know more films that have 
been made to honor someone. For example, Nathaniel Dorsky's August and After

I am looking for short films in particular.

Poetic gestures of goodbye, final notes, odes...

thank you,
Margaret Rorison

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Re: [Frameworks] Swings

[Carl E Bogner]

Oh, more jungle gym than swings, sure, but the crows do also collect across a 
swing set before attacking the school children in Hitchcock's "The Birds."


Carl
Milwaukee


From: FrameWorks  on behalf of Claire 
Henry, Curatorial 
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 4:43 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Swings

Speaking of Kazan, the glove scene in "On the Waterfront" partially takes place 
on swings.

Claire

Claire K. Henry
Assistant Curator, The Andy Warhol Film Project
Whitney Museum of American Art
99 Gansevoort Street
New York, NY  10014
tel:  212 570 7740
fax:  212 570 7749

From: FrameWorks [frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] on behalf of Alex 
Lake [stagnantp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 5:16 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Swings

Kazan's East of Eden immediately leaps to mind...

http://youtu.be/2uG4PRf6ROM
[https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2uG4PRf6ROM/hqdefault.jpg]

East Of Eden scene
youtu.be
Cal Trask is dealing with the issue of always being in his brothers shadow, and 
seeking the love of his father.



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 5:09 PM Surbhi Goel 
> wrote:
Mahal, 1949

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:47 AM, Gene Youngblood 
> wrote:
Friends, I need recommendations of memorable swing scenes (as in playground 
swings), preferably in narrative feature films. I already have Charulata and 
Ikiru. Thanks.
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Re: [Frameworks] Eclipse on film

[Carl E Bogner]

How about:

Joseph Cornell’s "Rose Hobart”  (1936)
Apichatpong Weerasethakul’s “Syndromes and a Century” (2006)


Carl
Milwaukee


From: FrameWorks  on behalf of John 
Warren 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:28 AM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: [Frameworks] Eclipse on film

I have a question—can you think of any experimental films or videos that 
feature a solar eclipse specifically or other astronomical event?

peace, jw
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Re: [Frameworks] Titles of scratch films

[Carl E Bogner]

Tess, hi -


I had a colleague in the Film Department, recently transplanted to Ann Arbor, 
who wouldn't let a frame of her film go through the gate unless she had 
scratched on it.


I overstate but Naz Dincel's practice relentlessly involves scratching on her 
film -- or, that is to say, involves relentless scratching. Her film Her 
Silent Seaming -- to cite an example -- was a Jury Award winner at FLEX this 
year and also screened at Images, among other places.


(I think she has her ear to the ground so she may respond to you off-list? Naz, 
contact Tess.)


Also there is that propositional film that Frampton talked about in A 
Lecture, its constantly inscribed scratch transplanting what the film is about 
from Lana Turner to that very scratch, if I recall correctly.


What's with Roger Beebe's premature fatigue? Man!


Carl

Milwaukee





From: FrameWorks frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com on behalf of Tess 
Takahashi tess.takaha...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:08 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: [Frameworks] Titles of scratch films

I'm doing something on films that employ scratching directly on celluloid like 
Brakhage's Chinese Series, David Gatten's Fragrant Portals..., Dona Cameron's 
World Trade Alphabet, Barbel Neubauer's work, Pierre Hebert's work, Storm 
DeHirsch's Peyote Queen, and Len Lye's Free Radicals.

What am I missing? Old and New?

Bonus points it it's set to African drums...


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Re: [Frameworks] Kid-friendly films?

[Carl E Bogner]

Dan,

One of the best things I have been able to see this year was the Saturday 
morning cartoon 16mm program that EYEWORKS presented at Jesse Malmed's 
LIVE-TO-TAPE FESTIVAL in Chicago this last May.

The program was entitled Make Me Psychic and featured films by Sally 
Cruikshank, Kathy Rose, Trixy Sweetvittles, and Amy Lockhart. Some of the 
prints -- the Cruikshank and the (sublime) Rose films -- were, I think, from 
the holdings of Chicago Filmmakers, do I have that right?

I was smacked out on all of the free breakfast cereals provided and am old, but 
I thought it was all a delight, giddy and transcendent, of possible interest to 
your programming. Psychedelic/trippy presented, understood, as also 
kid-friendly?

Details on the LIVE-TO-TAPE program here:
https://www.facebook.com/events/837281176348961/

Eyeworks Festival of Experimental Animation
http://eyeworksfestival.com

Chicago Filmmakers Film Distribution Project
http://www.chicagofilmmakers.org/membership-filmmaker-services/film-distribution-project


Carl
Milwaukee



From: FrameWorks frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com on behalf of Rob 
Gawthrop r...@robgawthrop.co.uk
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 8:54 AM
To: elizabeth mcmahon; Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kid-friendly films?

 Jan Svankmajer - Alice 1988.  maybe more of an adult friendly children's film 
though my daughter when 5, watched it over and over (though now 28 and in 
retrospect wonders whether it was suitable)

Rob


On 13 Jul 2015, at 13:54, elizabeth mcmaon 
elizmcma...@yahoo.commailto:elizmcma...@yahoo.com wrote:

Much from Mary Ellen Bute could be considered very kid friendly.

And one of my favorites is Bruno Bozzetto's film Allegro Non Troppo. It is 
rousing and inspiring, with magical animation.

Elizabeth


From: Dan Anderson bcfilmf...@gmail.commailto:bcfilmf...@gmail.com
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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 12:01 AM
Subject: [Frameworks] Kid-friendly films?

Hey all,

Just wondering if anyone has recommendations for avant-garde films that go over 
well with kids (12 and up). I'm not very good with censorship and always forget 
that there is something  inappropriate with most of my favorite movies... 
even just a good PG narrative is hard to find..

So far my go-to is usually Neighbours by McLaren, and Dr. Strangelove for a 
good narrative that won't get me in trouble..

thanks!



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Re: [Frameworks] Andrew Noren

[Carl E Bogner]

The concluding -- and personal favorite -- passage from that Andrew Noren / 
Scott MacDonald interview (in Critical Cinema 2) that Mr. Youngblood referred 
to earlier:


“The absolute best thing I’ve seen recently and certainly the most avant-garde 
was a lightning storm over southern New Jersey. It was so spectacular and 
sophisticated and surely one of the all-time great movies. It was incredibly 
powerful and intricate and intelligent and terrifying. It blasted us awake at 
two a.m. and we watched it through the black frame of the back door: vivid, 
intense, electric presentation of every last single detail of each bush, tree, 
leaf-of-grass. Vibrating out of absolute blackness in blinding, blue-white 
light, figure and ground switching places several times a second. Violent 
dimensional collisions, macroscopic magnification of the smallest things. Then 
everything vanishing into blackness so intense that the after-images were 
almost as strong as the original. And sound! Earth-shattering contrapuntal 
booms and blasts of such power I was sure the house would be blown away. I wish 
I could begin to describe it. It was wonderful, and as avant-garde is it gets. 
We were enchanted.”



Carl

Milwaukee



From: FrameWorks frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com on behalf of Steve 
Polta steve.po...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 12:16 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Andrew Noren

Yes. Noren was an amazing filmmaker with an incredible body of work that threw 
done some serious aesthetic challenges and expressed, in purely visual terms, a 
very complex aesthetics-based philosophy that to me is incredibly deep and 
profound and still shakes me up to think about. I posted the following to 
facebook and paste it here too...

Today I learned that the great filmmaker Andrew Noren died a few weeks ago from 
cancer, age 72 (I think). For those who don't know, Noren's films were among 
the most visually intense and overwhelming films ever created. Noren was a 
master 16mm photographer, a master of capturing motion and a master of 16mm 
black  white (I never had the opportunity to see his color films but I'm told 
they were amazing as well). Noren's films tended to be long-form (30+ minutes) 
and were (the ones I've seen) relentless barrages of imagery—very fast cutting, 
incredible single-framing and time lapse—that only would pause for the briefest 
of moments. Generally (the films I've seen) shot in cities during the course of 
daily life, the films emphasize the passing of time and—in their speed and 
Noren's uncanny way of rendering solid forms as fragile and ephemeral—seem to 
be constantly concerned with not only passing time but the brevity of life. By 
the time I came to film, Noren—a contemporary and filmmaker-in-dialog-with 
Brakhage, Dorsky, Gehr and all those guys—had largely withdrawn his films from 
distribution and had done the (probably deliberate, although I don't know) slow 
fade into relative obscurity. Each rare screening of Noren's aggressive (if 
overwhelming) films was an occasion for ones personal sense of visuality (as 
well as filmmaking and film history) to be altered permanently, and for the 
better, in that these films feel like wake-up call jolts to the senses and made 
you feel exhileratingly alive (albeit in intense ways—given that they 
stressed—to me—the brevity of life and the non-reality of the physical world, 
they also really shook me up in ways that few other films have). His earlier 
films (which I've not seen) were attempts to document all aspects of his life 
on film and were—this is documented—the direct inspiration for DAVID HOLZMAN'S 
DIARY. It's really too bad that his films didn't screen more often but in later 
years Noren—a classic, intensely opinionated curmudgeonly filmmaker—did not 
make it easy. I was really glad to have seen him in person (and meet him 
briefly) at Pacific Film Archive in 2005 and to have screened IMAGINARY LIGHT, 
via San Francisco 
Cinemathequehttps://www.facebook.com/sanfranciscocinematheque, at SFMOMA in 
2012...

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 9:42 AM, 
direc...@lift.on.camailto:direc...@lift.on.ca wrote:
I can understand that. There was a moment in the early 2000s when Susan
Oxtoby brought some of his films (and him) to Toronto over the course of a
few years. I likely saw about 4 or 5 of his films over that period and
still think of them often. A quick description --- rich high-contrast
imagery, long point-of-view shots down pathways and evocative time lapses
of domestic spaces -- doesn't do them justice; there was something
especially stunning about the experience.

Chris

 Those of us who were there at the time can recall the excitement when a
 new film by Andrew was released. We anticipated them almost like we did
 the next Brakhage or Godard.

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Re: [Frameworks] Women working in Expanded Cinema

[Carl E Bogner]

Kellie Bronikowski
Sandra Gibson
Zoe Beloff


From: FrameWorks frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com on behalf of Amanda 
Christie ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Women working in Expanded Cinema

Kerry Laitala 



On 2015-03-21, at 1:48 PM, Kenneth Linehan wrote:

 I'd recommend adding Brittany Gravely  Tara Nelson to your list. Both 
 working of film  in expanded cinema context.


 On Mar 20, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Alex Balkam blueswingingd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Frameworks,

 At the Atlantic Filmmakers Cooperative where I work we are interested in 
 inviting women working in the Expanded Cinema realm to join us as Visiting 
 Artists for an Expanded Cinema program we are hoping to develop.

 I was interested to know if anyone on the list would like to recommend 
 practicing Expanded Cinema artists, ideally women who work in the practice. 
 We are primarily interested in artists working with celluloid film, as 
 opposed to video mapping, etc.

 Thank you,

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Re: [Frameworks] Derivés and City Symphonies

[Carl E Bogner]

?

Matt McCormick's _Subconscious Art of Graffitt Removal_, perhaps?




From: FrameWorks frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com on behalf of Eli 
Horwatt ehorw...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 5:44 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Derivés and City Symphonies

Hollis Frampton's Surface Tension

Wolf Vostell's Notstandbordstein sort of flips the derive - it turns the 
streets themselves into a screen - but the images are projected outside of a 
car, so it may not be appropriate. Youngblood talks about it in Expanded Cinema 
and there's a copy I believe at Filmmaker's Co-op.




On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Jason Halprin 
jihalp...@gmail.commailto:jihalp...@gmail.com wrote:
Off the top of my head, here are two that might fit:

Bruce Biaille - Castro Street
Richard Myers - Zocalo


Jason Halprin
jihalp...@gmail.commailto:jihalp...@gmail.com

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Kelsey Velez 
kelsve...@hotmail.commailto:kelsve...@hotmail.com wrote:
Framworkers,

I'm seeking suggestions for film based derivés, shot on 16mm or 8/s8mm. If you 
have an outstanding example of a video derivé to share, please feel welcome to 
do so. Anything in the vein of Tomonari Nishikawa's Market Street is ideal, but 
if you are particularly keen on a representational piece that does something 
interesting viz. the derivé, don't hold back.

kv

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Re: [Frameworks] Green and Orange Films

[Carl E Bogner]

?

Lewis Klahr's  Green '62 (1996)




From: FrameWorks frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com on behalf of Benjamin 
Popp noiseonf...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:39 AM
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Subject: [Frameworks] Green and Orange Films

I'm looking for films with a theme of the color Green or Orange.
Any ideas?
ben
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Re: [Frameworks] exp film orgs suggestions

[Carl E Bogner]

Also from Milwaukee, and maybe excluded initially as I was too beholden to an 
understanding of the categories queried about:

Milwaukee Underground Film Festival - which is working to do/host year-round 
outside-of-the festival (May 1-4) occasions.
http://film-milwaukee.org

- Original Message -
From: Carl E Bogner crlel...@uwm.edu
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] exp film orgs suggestions



Milwaukee:

Microlights
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Microlights/145321888972059

UWM Union Theatre’s
Experimental Tuesdays at the Union Theatre
http://www.aux.uwm.edu/union/union_theatre/


Woodland Pattern Book Center (occasional)
http://woodlandpattern.org


- Original Message -
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:29:41 PM
Subject: [Frameworks] exp film orgs suggestions



Hello friends 


I'm putting together a lecture for USC at the end of March and I'm organizing a 
list of micro-cinemas, exp film orgs and periodicals for young filmmakers to 
get to know. I'm mainly looking for organisations that are supportive of young 
filmmakers like Echo Park Film Center, but I'm also including some places they 
can go to watch important classics like PFA (I'm staying away from film 
festivals). Here's my current list (I know I'm forgetting a bunch): 




LA Filmforum 

Echo Park Film Center 

Academy Film Archive 

Anthology Film Archive 

Pacific Film Archive 

Millennium Film Workshop 

Artists Television Access 

Light Industry 

RedCat 

Harvard Film Archive 

MoMA 

Pittsburg Filmmakers 

Filmmaker’s Co-operative 

ABC No Rio 

Black Hole Cinematheque 

Lux Center for Film and Video Art 

CineWest 

MoCA 

Pasadena's Armory Center for the Arts 

SF Cinematheque 


OtherCinema 

iotaCenter 

CVM 

ReVoir 

Frameworks - hi-beam.com 

40 Frames 

Dublab 

Prelinger Archive 


OtherZine 

Millennium Film Journal 

Bomb! 

LA Record 


Thanks for your help! 



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