Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films
Thank you very much for all the suggestions about this issue. Maybe the film by Balcells and Bonet named 133 is still one of the most remarkable pieces with a perfect found soundtrack... in this case a Sound Effects LP: http://www.hamacaonline.net/obra.php?id=558 De: nicky.ham...@talktalk.net nicky.ham...@talktalk.net Para: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Enviado: Martes 26 de noviembre de 2013 10:59 Asunto: Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films Ifthis category includes films that use radio broadcast as found sound then William Raban's At One qualifies, Nicky. -Original Message- From: David Baker dbak...@hvc.rr.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 4:20 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films I will cite Ken's anamorphic astonishment KRYPTON IS DOOMED (2005) http://www.eai.org/title.htm?id=10759 also see Mary Helena Clark's most amazing AND THE SUN FLOWERS http://vimeo.com/42048057 (Here found sound starts at 2:04 approximately.) DB On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, William Wees, Dr. wrote: Yes, that's a good one too. I was going to mention it but couldn't remember the title. --Bill Wees There is this one by Ken Jacobs: GLOBE (1971, 22 mins, 16mm, color, sound on cassette) (Previously titled: EXCERPT FROM THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION) “Flat image (of snowbound suburban housing tract) blossoms into 3D only when viewer places Eye Opener before the right eye. (Keeping both eyes open, of course. As with all stereo experiences, center seats are best. Space will deepen as one views further from the screen.) The found-sound is X-ratable (not for children or Nancy Reagan) but is important to the film’s perfect balance (GLOBE is symmetrical) of divine and profane.” (KJ) (pasted in from http://nightingalecinema.org/ken-jacobs-x-3-old-new/) I've seen it, and am not completely sure what I thought of it. It is at the least extremely interesting. Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films
If this category includes films that use radio broadcast as found sound then William Raban's At One qualifies, Nicky. -Original Message- From: David Baker dbak...@hvc.rr.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 4:20 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films I will citeKen's anamorphic astonishmentKRYPTON IS DOOMED (2005)http://www.eai.org/title.htm?id=10759also see Mary Helena Clark's most amazingAND THE SUN FLOWERShttp://vimeo.com/42048057(Here found sound starts at 2:04 approximately.)DBOn Nov 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, William Wees, Dr. wrote: Yes, that's a good one too. I was going to mention it but couldn't remember the title. --Bill Wees There is this one by Ken Jacobs: GLOBE (1971, 22 mins, 16mm, color, sound on cassette) (Previously titled: EXCERPT FROM THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION) “Flat image (of snowbound suburban housing tract) blossoms into 3D only when viewer places Eye Opener before the right eye. (Keeping both eyes open, of course. As with all stereo experiences, center seats are best. Space will deepen as one views further from the screen.) The found-sound is X-ratable (not for children or Nancy Reagan) but is important to the film’s perfect balance (GLOBE is symmetrical) of divine and profane.” (KJ) (pasted in from http://nightingalecinema.org/ken-jacobs-x-3-old-new/) I've seen it, and am not completely sure what I thought of it. It is at the least extremely interesting. Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___FrameWorks mailing listFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films
Arthur Lipsett’s films are composed almost entirely of “found sound.” --Bill Wees From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Albert Alcoz Sent: November 24, 2013 3:56 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films Hi, Institutional Quality by George Landow was created from a found soundtrack, in this case a tape recorder about an instructional test. Does anyone know other examples that uses found soundtracks for experimental films, especially from the sixties and seventies? Thanks, Albert http://www.visionaryfilm.net/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films
Max de Haas, Jean Gremillon, Enrico Fulchignoni, and Jean Rouch are listed with re: the Groupe de Recherche de Musique Concrète esp '52-'56 cf Section 2.4.4 in http://music.arts.uci.edu/dobrian/CMC2009/OS12.3.Gayou.pdf Al Matthews - http://fatmilktv.com Atlanta, GA, US +1 337 214 4688 On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:13 AM, William Wees, Dr. william.w...@mcgill.ca wrote: Arthur Lipsett’s films are composed almost entirely of “found sound.” --Bill Wees From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Albert Alcoz Sent: November 24, 2013 3:56 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films Hi, Institutional Quality by George Landow was created from a found soundtrack, in this case a tape recorder about an instructional test. Does anyone know other examples that uses found soundtracks for experimental films, especially from the sixties and seventies? Thanks, Albert http://www.visionaryfilm.net/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films
I think what Albert's asking for are films that utilize a more or less intact found soundtrack, rather than a collaged soundtrack that includes found sound segments. Lipsett, Pat O'Neill, and plenty of other artists have made some exciting use of collaged found elements, but I'd also love to hear some other examples of what Albert's looking for. mark t PS Maybe it's just delayed, but I didn't see my response come in to the listserv. I had thought of James Benning's UTOPIA, John Smith's LOST SOUND, and Chris Langdon's PICASSO. I think there's at least one Mark LaPore film that makes extensive use of a pre-existing soundtrack, but can't recall which one at the moment... On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:13 AM, William Wees, Dr. william.w...@mcgill.ca wrote: Arthur Lipsett’s films are composed almost entirely of “found sound.” --Bill Wees From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Albert Alcoz Sent: November 24, 2013 3:56 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films Hi, Institutional Quality by George Landow was created from a found soundtrack, in this case a tape recorder about an instructional test. Does anyone know other examples that uses found soundtracks for experimental films, especially from the sixties and seventies? Thanks, Albert http://www.visionaryfilm.net/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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SHELLY WINTERS by Luther Price (from an interview in Big Red Shiny) *TN* *In your film SHELLY WINTERS, there is no image at all, just white leader and a soundtrack We hear the voices of both victims and perpetrators of domestic violence, telling their stories, but there is no image.* *LP* That’s a very sad film. It’s a struggle for survival. I get emotional about that one. And that film was made in Quincy, so we know the accent, there is an indigenous thing about that film. One of her only escapes was to go to Dunkin Donuts. Dunkin Donuts has been part of my life for as long as I can remember. So you feel closer to her pain because she feels almost like a relative, or like your neighbor. In that film, the absence of image creates an emptiness, a vastness. It becomes its own vast ocean of emptiness. It almost becomes a metaphor within the image itself… for her pain… that she is alone in this ocean of emptiness, and the fact that we are left with no color, no movement, no image, everything is left in the solitude of your own self. You start to understand how pain can look like nothing. Pain can be a vast hole of space that is just there. - See more at: http://www.bigredandshiny.com/cgi-bin/BRS.cgi?article=2012-09-13-060119619840570338issue=136 §ion=av#sthash.ZM8bsslF.dpuf On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com wrote: I think what Albert's asking for are films that utilize a more or less intact found soundtrack, rather than a collaged soundtrack that includes found sound segments. Lipsett, Pat O'Neill, and plenty of other artists have made some exciting use of collaged found elements, but I'd also love to hear some other examples of what Albert's looking for. mark t PS Maybe it's just delayed, but I didn't see my response come in to the listserv. I had thought of James Benning's UTOPIA, John Smith's LOST SOUND, and Chris Langdon's PICASSO. I think there's at least one Mark LaPore film that makes extensive use of a pre-existing soundtrack, but can't recall which one at the moment... On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:13 AM, William Wees, Dr. william.w...@mcgill.ca wrote: Arthur Lipsett’s films are composed almost entirely of “found sound.” --Bill Wees *From:* FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.comframeworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] *On Behalf Of *Albert Alcoz *Sent:* November 24, 2013 3:56 PM *To:* frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com *Subject:* [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films Hi, *Institutional Quality* by George Landow was created from a found soundtrack, in this case a tape recorder about an instructional test. Does anyone know other examples that uses found soundtracks for experimental films, especially from the sixties and seventies? Thanks, Albert http://www.visionaryfilm.net/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films
Tara's suggestion reminded me of a piece that Andrew Lampert has shown, I believe called Head/Tail, which is literally a found soundtrack - it's a 35mm track negative for a porno trailer, projected in Cinemascope so you get an empty frame with a salacious narration. mark t On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com wrote: I think what Albert's asking for are films that utilize a more or less intact found soundtrack, rather than a collaged soundtrack that includes found sound segments. Lipsett, Pat O'Neill, and plenty of other artists have made some exciting use of collaged found elements, but I'd also love to hear some other examples of what Albert's looking for. mark t PS Maybe it's just delayed, but I didn't see my response come in to the listserv. I had thought of James Benning's UTOPIA, John Smith's LOST SOUND, and Chris Langdon's PICASSO. I think there's at least one Mark LaPore film that makes extensive use of a pre-existing soundtrack, but can't recall which one at the moment... On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:13 AM, William Wees, Dr. william.w...@mcgill.ca wrote: Arthur Lipsett’s films are composed almost entirely of “found sound.” --Bill Wees From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Albert Alcoz Sent: November 24, 2013 3:56 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films Hi, Institutional Quality by George Landow was created from a found soundtrack, in this case a tape recorder about an instructional test. Does anyone know other examples that uses found soundtracks for experimental films, especially from the sixties and seventies? Thanks, Albert http://www.visionaryfilm.net/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Yes Mark, you are right, I was asking for films that use intact found soundtracks to produce the entire film, instead of using collaged soundtracks from different found sources. They could be labeled as Perfect found soundtracks, just as those Perfect Films by Ken Jacobs or Hollis Frampton. Thanks for the Benning, Smith and Langdon suggestions. Yes, I also think there's a sort of delay (two or three hours?) between sending and receiving one's own mails. Albert De: Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com Para: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Enviado: Lunes 25 de noviembre de 2013 16:59 Asunto: Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films I think what Albert's asking for are films that utilize a more or less intact found soundtrack, rather than a collaged soundtrack that includes found sound segments. Lipsett, Pat O'Neill, and plenty of other artists have made some exciting use of collaged found elements, but I'd also love to hear some other examples of what Albert's looking for. mark t PS Maybe it's just delayed, but I didn't see my response come in to the listserv. I had thought of James Benning's UTOPIA, John Smith's LOST SOUND, and Chris Langdon's PICASSO. I think there's at least one Mark LaPore film that makes extensive use of a pre-existing soundtrack, but can't recall which one at the moment... On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:13 AM, William Wees, Dr. william.w...@mcgill.ca wrote: Arthur Lipsett’s films are composed almost entirely of “found sound.” --Bill Wees From:FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Albert Alcoz Sent: November 24, 2013 3:56 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films Hi, Institutional Qualityby George Landow was created from a found soundtrack, in this case a tape recorder about an instructional test. Does anyone know other examples that uses found soundtracks for experimental films, especially from the sixties and seventies? Thanks, Albert http://www.visionaryfilm.net/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Albert Alcoz wrote: Yes Mark, you are right, I was asking for films that use intact found soundtracks to produce the entire film, instead of using collaged soundtracks from different found sources. Wasn't the soundtrack for Rubin's Christmas in July just having a radio tuned to a rock music station? (could be wrong…) My own Men Men Men (video c. 10 min.) uses a soundtrack from another film. Against shots of male actors faces from various porn films (thus no explicit shots), a soundtrack of excited orgasmic moaning, female voice. The reveal at the end: the voice is Traci Lords from one of her fims made while she was underage. Therefore, is it (illegal) child porn? (All of her underage films were proscribed when her real age was made public, though only in the US; they still had circulation in some countries with different age of majority--e.g. Netherlands.) Chuck Kleinhans ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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How about Ken Jacobs’ “Urban Peasants” with two tape recorded lessons in Yiddish on the sound track? --Bill Wees From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Albert Alcoz Sent: November 24, 2013 3:56 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films Hi, Institutional Quality by George Landow was created from a found soundtrack, in this case a tape recorder about an instructional test. Does anyone know other examples that uses found soundtracks for experimental films, especially from the sixties and seventies? Thanks, Albert http://www.visionaryfilm.net/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Tom Whiteside's description of his own *Home Safe Badminton* actually reminds me of a very early Luis Recoder piece, the title of which I do not recall, which paired an un-edited and untreated sound-off found film on bomb detection (scanning the underside of parked cars with a mirror on a long pole etc) with the un-edited untreated soundtrack from a film on an artist (perhaps Paul Klee of Gustav Klimpt but I could be way off on this) with lines like He is looking for something unknown... as the mirror pole scanned. Saw this at Artists' Television Access' Other Cinema series in San Francisco probably in 1997. Recoder had a real knack for amazingly creative re-presentation of unedited and un-treated films and sounds back then and many of his works from this era (likely lost forever in the haxe of life and now un-seeable probably) would have satisfied the original poster's inquiry around found sound films. See also Brian Frye's *Ozymandias* (circa 1996) and my own *Abbie Hoffman in Chicago *(release date unknown). Steve Polta On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Fred Camper f...@fredcamper.com wrote: Quoting Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es: Hi, Institutional Qualityby George Landow was created from a found soundtrack, in this case a tape recorder about an instructional test. Does anyone know other examples that uses found soundtracks for experimental films, especially from the sixties and seventies? There is this one by Ken Jacobs: GLOBE (1971, 22 mins, 16mm, color, sound on cassette) (Previously titled: EXCERPT FROM THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION) “Flat image (of snowbound suburban housing tract) blossoms into 3D only when viewer places Eye Opener before the right eye. (Keeping both eyes open, of course. As with all stereo experiences, center seats are best. Space will deepen as one views further from the screen.) The found-sound is X-ratable (not for children or Nancy Reagan) but is important to the film’s perfect balance (GLOBE is symmetrical) of divine and profane.” (KJ) (pasted in from http://nightingalecinema.org/ken-jacobs-x-3-old-new/) I've seen it, and am not completely sure what I thought of it. It is at the least extremely interesting. Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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GLOBE is great, imo. On 11/25/13 7:05 PM, Fred Camper f...@fredcamper.com wrote: Quoting Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es: Hi, Institutional Qualityby George Landow was created from a found soundtrack, in this case a tape recorder about an instructional test. Does anyone know other examples that uses found soundtracks for experimental films, especially from the sixties and seventies? There is this one by Ken Jacobs: GLOBE (1971, 22 mins, 16mm, color, sound on cassette) (Previously titled: EXCERPT FROM THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION) ³Flat image (of snowbound suburban housing tract) blossoms into 3D only when viewer places Eye Opener before the right eye. (Keeping both eyes open, of course. As with all stereo experiences, center seats are best. Space will deepen as one views further from the screen.) The found-sound is X-ratable (not for children or Nancy Reagan) but is important to the film¹s perfect balance (GLOBE is symmetrical) of divine and profane.² (KJ) (pasted in from http://nightingalecinema.org/ken-jacobs-x-3-old-new/) I've seen it, and am not completely sure what I thought of it. It is at the least extremely interesting. Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listi nfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Yes, that's a good one too. I was going to mention it but couldn't remember the title. --Bill Wees There is this one by Ken Jacobs: GLOBE (1971, 22 mins, 16mm, color, sound on cassette) (Previously titled: EXCERPT FROM THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION) “Flat image (of snowbound suburban housing tract) blossoms into 3D only when viewer places Eye Opener before the right eye. (Keeping both eyes open, of course. As with all stereo experiences, center seats are best. Space will deepen as one views further from the screen.) The found-sound is X-ratable (not for children or Nancy Reagan) but is important to the film’s perfect balance (GLOBE is symmetrical) of divine and profane.” (KJ) (pasted in from http://nightingalecinema.org/ken-jacobs-x-3-old-new/) I've seen it, and am not completely sure what I thought of it. It is at the least extremely interesting. Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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I will cite Ken's anamorphic astonishment KRYPTON IS DOOMED (2005) http://www.eai.org/title.htm?id=10759 also see Mary Helena Clark's most amazing AND THE SUN FLOWERS http://vimeo.com/42048057 (Here found sound starts at 2:04 approximately.) DB On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, William Wees, Dr. wrote: Yes, that's a good one too. I was going to mention it but couldn't remember the title. --Bill Wees There is this one by Ken Jacobs: GLOBE (1971, 22 mins, 16mm, color, sound on cassette) (Previously titled: EXCERPT FROM THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION) “Flat image (of snowbound suburban housing tract) blossoms into 3D only when viewer places Eye Opener before the right eye. (Keeping both eyes open, of course. As with all stereo experiences, center seats are best. Space will deepen as one views further from the screen.) The found-sound is X-ratable (not for children or Nancy Reagan) but is important to the film’s perfect balance (GLOBE is symmetrical) of divine and profane.” (KJ) (pasted in from http://nightingalecinema.org/ken-jacobs-x-3-old-new/) I've seen it, and am not completely sure what I thought of it. It is at the least extremely interesting. Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
