Re: [Frameworks] Two reviews on experimental film
One complaint about the Gottlieb piece, though. It's just plain wrong on Charles Burnett: he was not a one man African-American New Wave, and his film Killer of Sheep didn't fall off the map after being screened at the Whitney. Yeah,yeah- you must be used to this brand of mainstream journalism by now. Why mention it? For all you know he could be better educated in the subject than you, but chose to ignore the complications in order to tantalize the uninitiated. From: Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edu To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Fri, September 28, 2012 9:50:33 AM Subject: [Frameworks] Two reviews on experimental film The new issue (Oct 8) of the US political weekly, The Nation, has two articles of interest to this list. Akiva Gottlieb reports on the 15 moving image episodes of the 2012 Whitney Biennial curated by Ed Halter and Thomas Beard. And The Nation's regular art writer, Barry Schwabsky, reviews Kevin Hatch's excellent new book, Looking for Bruce Conner, which discusses the films but also the often lesser-known drawings and sculptures. One complaint about the Gottlieb piece, though. It's just plain wrong on Charles Burnett: he was not a one man African-American New Wave, and his film Killer of Sheep didn't fall off the map after being screened at the Whitney. Chuck Kleinhans ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Two reviews on experimental film
I hadn't anticipated that this little post I thought would interest some folks on this list would result in a credentials check. Well, no disrespect to Gottlieb, assuming he's the mid-20s grad student in English at the University of Michigan that Google produces. (Sorry, I don't do Facebook.) That fellow has been writing on film for some time, starting apparently as The Teenage Movie Critic on IMDB back in 1999 or so, and describing himself as an amateur film critic in the Jewish Journal in 2002, and going on more recently being noted in Jewcy. He's done book reviews for the LA Times and movies for the Village Voice. I'd like to meet him. So, given that he's several years into a PhD program, I'm sure he has a high tolerance for pendants like me. And I don't intend to write a letter to The Nation complaining about the error. It did seem useful to correct for the record here where snow blindness (seeing only white) seems to prevail so often. But, you are presumptuous to speculate that he could be better educated in the subject than you… Are you a betting man, Estes? I'll give you 10 to 1 odds. Chuck On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:13 AM, MICHAEL ESTES wrote: One complaint about the Gottlieb piece, though. It's just plain wrong on Charles Burnett: he was not a one man African-American New Wave, and his film Killer of Sheep didn't fall off the map after being screened at the Whitney. Yeah,yeah- you must be used to this brand of mainstream journalism by now. Why mention it? For all you know he could be better educated in the subject than you, but chose to ignore the complications in order to tantalize the uninitiated. From: Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edumailto:chuck...@northwestern.edu To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Fri, September 28, 2012 9:50:33 AM Subject: [Frameworks] Two reviews on experimental film The new issue (Oct 8) of the US political weekly, The Nation, has two articles of interest to this list. Akiva Gottlieb reports on the 15 moving image episodes of the 2012 Whitney Biennial curated by Ed Halter and Thomas Beard. And The Nation's regular art writer, Barry Schwabsky, reviews Kevin Hatch's excellent new book, Looking for Bruce Conner, which discusses the films but also the often lesser-known drawings and sculptures. One complaint about the Gottlieb piece, though. It's just plain wrong on Charles Burnett: he was not a one man African-American New Wave, and his film Killer of Sheep didn't fall off the map after being screened at the Whitney. Chuck Kleinhans ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edumailto:chuck...@northwestern.edu ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Two reviews on experimental film
forestalling pedantic responses: yes, pedant not 'pendant….cursed spellchecker. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Two reviews on experimental film
On Sep 28, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edu wrote: So, given that he's several years into a PhD program, I'm sure he has a high tolerance for pendants like me. He's wearing one now. Jeff Kreines Kinetta kinetta.com j...@kinetta.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Two reviews on experimental film
I'm willing to stipulate that your pendant is bigger than mine. I'll let the author speak for himself. The 10-1 odds you offer validate my statement he could be better educated in the subject. Or do you dispute the meaning of could be? From: Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edu To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Fri, September 28, 2012 3:13:26 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Two reviews on experimental film I hadn't anticipated that this little post I thought would interest some folks on this list would result in a credentials check. Well, no disrespect to Gottlieb, assuming he's the mid-20s grad student in English at the University of Michigan that Google produces. (Sorry, I don't do Facebook.) That fellow has been writing on film for some time, starting apparently as The Teenage Movie Critic on IMDB back in 1999 or so, and describing himself as an amateur film critic in the Jewish Journal in 2002, and going on more recently being noted in Jewcy. He's done book reviews for the LA Times and movies for the Village Voice. I'd like to meet him. So, given that he's several years into a PhD program, I'm sure he has a high tolerance for pendants like me. And I don't intend to write a letter to The Nation complaining about the error. It did seem useful to correct for the record here where snow blindness (seeing only white) seems to prevail so often. But, you are presumptuous to speculate that he could be better educated in the subject than you… Are you a betting man, Estes? I'll give you 10 to 1 odds. Chuck On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:13 AM, MICHAEL ESTES wrote: One complaint about the Gottlieb piece, though. It's just plain wrong on Charles Burnett: he was not a one man African-American New Wave, and his film Killer of Sheep didn't fall off the map after being screened at the Whitney. Yeah,yeah- you must be used to this brand of mainstream journalism by now. Why mention it? For all you know he could be better educated in the subject than you, but chose to ignore the complications in order to tantalize the uninitiated. From: Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edu To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Fri, September 28, 2012 9:50:33 AM Subject: [Frameworks] Two reviews on experimental film The new issue (Oct 8) of the US political weekly, The Nation, has two articles of interest to this list. Akiva Gottlieb reports on the 15 moving image episodes of the 2012 Whitney Biennial curated by Ed Halter and Thomas Beard. And The Nation's regular art writer, Barry Schwabsky, reviews Kevin Hatch's excellent new book, Looking for Bruce Conner, which discusses the films but also the often lesser-known drawings and sculptures. One complaint about the Gottlieb piece, though. It's just plain wrong on Charles Burnett: he was not a one man African-American New Wave, and his film Killer of Sheep didn't fall off the map after being screened at the Whitney. Chuck Kleinhans ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edu___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
