Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Films before 1910

Thanks to all. I especially appreciate Jonathan Walley's skepticism bout the entire venture! I share that skepticism, actually all the best, Mark On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:50 AM, wrote: > > As some of this is perhaps about intent and ways of thinking I'd push

Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Films before 1910

As some of this is perhaps about intent and ways of thinking I'd push for you to consider those that were never made. Leopold Survage, designs for his 'Le Rythme Colore' for instance. OK it dates from 1913 but being flexible with dates could accomodate an ever so slightly wider range of

Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Films before 1910

I pretty much agree with Jonathan here. Two other elements: the avant-garde of the 1920s, and even more so I think the American movement beginning with Harry Smith and Maya Deren, operated simultaneously in opposition to the naive representationalism of the dominant commercial cinema and

Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Films before 1910

Would that I could resist this, but no… It’s probably a little dangerous to think of these films as “experimental” in any strong sense of that term, since mostly the “experiments” on view in these films are about cultivating film’s ability to tell stories; or else, formal experimentation was

Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Films before 1910

isco Torres <fjtorre...@gmail.com> Enviado: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:40:30 PM Para: Experimental Film Discussion List Asunto: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Films before 1910 The films of Segundo De Chomon are worth a look. ___ FrameWorks maili

Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Films before 1910

The films of Segundo De Chomon are worth a look. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Films before 1910

Mark Apart from obvious Méliès & Zecca … some regressive historians have considered early films (sometimes insultingly described as primitive) based mainly on formal achievement ( the first close-up, edit etc.) or precursors of hollywood narrative (point of view, establishing shots etc.)

Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Films before 1910

Hi Mark, One favorite springs to mind immediately: *Ladies Skirts Nailed to a Fence* (1899)/. Two women (actually men in drag) stand at a fence gossiping, and a young scalawag sneaks up behind them, pulls the ends of their long, Victorian skirts through the slats in the fence, and nails them to