Re: [Frameworks] lying as a theme

[Josh Drake]

Not a documentary, but Hitchcock's Stagefright contains a false flashback
narrated by the killer proving his innocence, which was unusual for
Hitchcock/the time period.
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Dorothea Braemer]

Mitch Block,  No  Lies.

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Subject:  Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

''Charade staring Archibald Leach...''  he he
Once told by an interviewer, "Everybody would like to be Cary Grant", Grant
is said to have replied, "So would I."

2017-02-22 19:01 GMT-04:00 Salise Hughes <salise.hug...@gmail.com>:
> I agree, all films lie. Charade staring Archibald Leach.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Jeff Kreines <j...@kinetta.com> wrote:
>> David Holzman¹s Diary
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Francisco Torres <fjtorre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> it may be that all films lie. that is what make them such fun.
>>> 
>>> 2017-02-22 14:31 GMT-04:00 lagonaboba <lagonab...@gmail.com>:
>>>> from the Filmmaker¹s Coop Catalog: (description seems laden with
>>>> Coyote-esque obfuscation, and I wrote itŠ)
>>>> Robert Harris 
>>>> <http://film-makerscoop.com/rentals-sales/search-results?fmc_author=1035>
>>>> COYOTE  (1997 
>>>> <http://film-makerscoop.com/rentals-sales/search-results?fmc_year=1997> )
>>>> DVD NTSC, color, 17:07 min
>>>> Genre: Documentary
>>>> <http://film-makerscoop.com/rentals-sales/search-results?fmc_genre=genre_do
>>>> cumentary> , Experimental
>>>> <http://film-makerscoop.com/rentals-sales/search-results?fmc_genre=genre_ex
>>>> perimental> 
>>>> Keywords: Ethnic/Multicultural
>>>> <http://film-makerscoop.com/rentals-sales/search-results?fmc_keyw=key_ethni
>>>> c_multicultural>
>>>> COYOTE is an invocation of the many shady, shifting forms of Coyote, wide
>>>> dog, Trickster, and smuggler, told in a style that mimics his multifarious
>>>> shape. COYOTE abandons unified visual style. The narrative is fractured, a
>>>> blend of documentary and fiction, contradictory voices, myths, and lies.
>>>> Through a discontinuity between images, between image and text, between
>>>> textual voices; through a clash of human and non-human voices, fixed
>>>> meaning is undermined. Contradiction, displacement and disruption force the
>>>> viewer's participation. Text and image drift in and out of moments of
>>>> relative, subjective synchronicity. A reading ascribed to a given image
>>>> will dissolve with the change of accompanying text. As meaning becomes
>>>> contingent on viewer and context, authorship shifts from video-maker to
>>>> collective process. COYOTE is an accumulated cacophony of evidence
>>>> fragments where meanings coagulate in the resonant harmonics of the various
>>>> voices.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs <mhoyleco...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or
>>>>> the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these
>>>>> lines: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker lying
>>>>> to them. It's left ambiguous.
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Francisco Torres]

2017-02-22 19:14 GMT-04:00 Francisco Torres :

> ''Charade staring Archibald Leach...''  he he
> Once told by an interviewer, "Everybody would like to be Cary Grant",
> Grant is said to have replied, "So would I."
>
> 2017-02-22 19:01 GMT-04:00 Salise Hughes :
>
>> I agree, all films lie. Charade staring Archibald Leach.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Jeff Kreines  wrote:
>>
>>> David Holzman’s Diary
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Francisco Torres 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> it may be that all films lie. that is what make them such fun.
>>>
>>> 2017-02-22 14:31 GMT-04:00 lagonaboba :
>>>
 from the Filmmaker’s Coop Catalog: (description seems laden with
 Coyote-esque obfuscation, and I wrote it…)

 Robert Harris
 

 *COYOTE  *(1997
 
 ) DVD NTSC, color, 17:07 min

 Genre: Documentary
 
 , Experimental
 

 Keywords: Ethnic/Multicultural
 

 COYOTE is an invocation of the many shady, shifting forms of Coyote,
 wide dog, Trickster, and smuggler, told in a style that mimics his
 multifarious shape. COYOTE abandons unified visual style. The narrative is
 fractured, a blend of documentary and fiction, contradictory voices, myths,
 and lies. Through a discontinuity between images, between image and text,
 between textual voices; through a clash of human and non-human voices,
 fixed meaning is undermined. Contradiction, displacement and disruption
 force the viewer's participation. Text and image drift in and out of
 moments of relative, subjective synchronicity. A reading ascribed to a
 given image will dissolve with the change of accompanying text. As meaning
 becomes contingent on viewer and context, authorship shifts from
 video-maker to collective process. COYOTE is an accumulated cacophony of
 evidence fragments where meanings coagulate in the resonant harmonics of
 the various voices.




 On Feb 21, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs 
 wrote:

 Hello

 Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme
 or the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these
 lines:

 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to
 them

 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker
 lying to them. It's left ambiguous.

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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Francisco Torres]

''Charade staring Archibald Leach...''  he he
Once told by an interviewer, "Everybody would like to be Cary Grant", Grant
is said to have replied, "So would I."

2017-02-22 19:01 GMT-04:00 Salise Hughes :

> I agree, all films lie. Charade staring Archibald Leach.
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Jeff Kreines  wrote:
>
>> David Holzman’s Diary
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Francisco Torres 
>> wrote:
>>
>> it may be that all films lie. that is what make them such fun.
>>
>> 2017-02-22 14:31 GMT-04:00 lagonaboba :
>>
>>> from the Filmmaker’s Coop Catalog: (description seems laden with
>>> Coyote-esque obfuscation, and I wrote it…)
>>>
>>> Robert Harris
>>> 
>>>
>>> *COYOTE  *(1997
>>> 
>>> ) DVD NTSC, color, 17:07 min
>>>
>>> Genre: Documentary
>>> 
>>> , Experimental
>>> 
>>>
>>> Keywords: Ethnic/Multicultural
>>> 
>>>
>>> COYOTE is an invocation of the many shady, shifting forms of Coyote,
>>> wide dog, Trickster, and smuggler, told in a style that mimics his
>>> multifarious shape. COYOTE abandons unified visual style. The narrative is
>>> fractured, a blend of documentary and fiction, contradictory voices, myths,
>>> and lies. Through a discontinuity between images, between image and text,
>>> between textual voices; through a clash of human and non-human voices,
>>> fixed meaning is undermined. Contradiction, displacement and disruption
>>> force the viewer's participation. Text and image drift in and out of
>>> moments of relative, subjective synchronicity. A reading ascribed to a
>>> given image will dissolve with the change of accompanying text. As meaning
>>> becomes contingent on viewer and context, authorship shifts from
>>> video-maker to collective process. COYOTE is an accumulated cacophony of
>>> evidence fragments where meanings coagulate in the resonant harmonics of
>>> the various voices.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or
>>> the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these
>>> lines:
>>>
>>> 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to
>>> them
>>>
>>> 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker
>>> lying to them. It's left ambiguous.
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Salise Hughes]

I agree, all films lie. Charade staring Archibald Leach.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Jeff Kreines  wrote:

> David Holzman’s Diary
>
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Francisco Torres 
> wrote:
>
> it may be that all films lie. that is what make them such fun.
>
> 2017-02-22 14:31 GMT-04:00 lagonaboba :
>
>> from the Filmmaker’s Coop Catalog: (description seems laden with
>> Coyote-esque obfuscation, and I wrote it…)
>>
>> Robert Harris
>> 
>>
>> *COYOTE  *(1997
>> ) DVD
>> NTSC, color, 17:07 min
>>
>> Genre: Documentary
>> 
>> , Experimental
>> 
>>
>> Keywords: Ethnic/Multicultural
>> 
>>
>> COYOTE is an invocation of the many shady, shifting forms of Coyote, wide
>> dog, Trickster, and smuggler, told in a style that mimics his multifarious
>> shape. COYOTE abandons unified visual style. The narrative is fractured, a
>> blend of documentary and fiction, contradictory voices, myths, and lies.
>> Through a discontinuity between images, between image and text, between
>> textual voices; through a clash of human and non-human voices, fixed
>> meaning is undermined. Contradiction, displacement and disruption force the
>> viewer's participation. Text and image drift in and out of moments of
>> relative, subjective synchronicity. A reading ascribed to a given image
>> will dissolve with the change of accompanying text. As meaning becomes
>> contingent on viewer and context, authorship shifts from video-maker to
>> collective process. COYOTE is an accumulated cacophony of evidence
>> fragments where meanings coagulate in the resonant harmonics of the various
>> voices.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or
>> the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these
>> lines:
>>
>> 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
>>
>> 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker lying
>> to them. It's left ambiguous.
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Jeff Kreines]

David Holzman’s Diary

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Francisco Torres  wrote:
> 
> it may be that all films lie. that is what make them such fun.
> 
> 2017-02-22 14:31 GMT-04:00 lagonaboba  >:
> from the Filmmaker’s Coop Catalog: (description seems laden with Coyote-esque 
> obfuscation, and I wrote it…)
> 
> Robert Harris 
> 
> COYOTE (1997 
> ) DVD 
> NTSC, color, 17:07 min
> 
> Genre: Documentary 
> ,
>  Experimental 
> 
> Keywords: Ethnic/Multicultural 
> 
> COYOTE is an invocation of the many shady, shifting forms of Coyote, wide 
> dog, Trickster, and smuggler, told in a style that mimics his multifarious 
> shape. COYOTE abandons unified visual style. The narrative is fractured, a 
> blend of documentary and fiction, contradictory voices, myths, and lies. 
> Through a discontinuity between images, between image and text, between 
> textual voices; through a clash of human and non-human voices, fixed meaning 
> is undermined. Contradiction, displacement and disruption force the viewer's 
> participation. Text and image drift in and out of moments of relative, 
> subjective synchronicity. A reading ascribed to a given image will dissolve 
> with the change of accompanying text. As meaning becomes contingent on viewer 
> and context, authorship shifts from video-maker to collective process. COYOTE 
> is an accumulated cacophony of evidence fragments where meanings coagulate in 
> the resonant harmonics of the various voices.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 21, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello
>> 
>> Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or the 
>> main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these lines: 
>> 
>> 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
>> 
>> 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker lying to 
>> them. It's left ambiguous. 
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Francisco Torres]

it may be that all films lie. that is what make them such fun.

2017-02-22 14:31 GMT-04:00 lagonaboba :

> from the Filmmaker’s Coop Catalog: (description seems laden with
> Coyote-esque obfuscation, and I wrote it…)
>
> Robert Harris
> 
>
> *COYOTE  *(1997
> ) DVD
> NTSC, color, 17:07 min
>
> Genre: Documentary
> 
> , Experimental
> 
>
> Keywords: Ethnic/Multicultural
> 
>
> COYOTE is an invocation of the many shady, shifting forms of Coyote, wide
> dog, Trickster, and smuggler, told in a style that mimics his multifarious
> shape. COYOTE abandons unified visual style. The narrative is fractured, a
> blend of documentary and fiction, contradictory voices, myths, and lies.
> Through a discontinuity between images, between image and text, between
> textual voices; through a clash of human and non-human voices, fixed
> meaning is undermined. Contradiction, displacement and disruption force the
> viewer's participation. Text and image drift in and out of moments of
> relative, subjective synchronicity. A reading ascribed to a given image
> will dissolve with the change of accompanying text. As meaning becomes
> contingent on viewer and context, authorship shifts from video-maker to
> collective process. COYOTE is an accumulated cacophony of evidence
> fragments where meanings coagulate in the resonant harmonics of the various
> voices.
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs 
> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or
> the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these
> lines:
>
> 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
>
> 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker lying
> to them. It's left ambiguous.
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[Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Dana Duff]

Not sure this qualifies as lying exactly, but how about Holly the 
inventive narrator in Terrence Malick's "Badlands"?

(Llama's in South Dakota?)

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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Adam Hyman]

There¹s a book called F Is for Fake, edited by Jesse Lerner & Alex Juhasz,
which is entirely on ³fake documentaries² which I think could all fit your
criterion.



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>Hello
>
>Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or
>the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these
>lines: 
>
>1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
>
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>to them. It's left ambiguous.
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Raymond Beluga Studio]

Although (I think) all films are an expression of untruth, it comes to mind
this obvious, likeable film by *enfant terrible* Alain Robbe-Grillet: "The
Man who lies".
r.

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> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:49:52 + (UTC)
> Subject: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme
> Hello
>
> Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or
> the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these lines:
>
> 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
>
> 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker lying
> to them. It's left ambiguous.
>
>
>
>
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> Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 02:57:06 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme
> Philip Hoffman's  "?O, Zoo!"
>
>
> At 1:49 + 22/02/17, Morgan Hoyle-Combs wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or
>> the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these lines:
>>
>> 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
>>
>> 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker lying
>> to them. It's left ambiguous.
>>
>
>
>
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> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 03:03:07 +
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme
> Welles "F for Fake"
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> At 1:49 + 22/02/17, Morgan Hoyle-Combs wrote:
> >Hello
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> >Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a
> >theme or the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran
> >among these lines:
> >
> >1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
> >
> >2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker
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> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme
> Mike Snow¹s ŒSo Is This¹
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> Peter
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> On 22/02/2017 9:49 am, "FrameWorks on behalf of Morgan Hoyle-Combs"
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Andy Ditzler]

Orson Welles, F for Fake

The surprise ending of Robert Nelson's Bleu Shut might be applicable, as
might Nelson's "director's commentary" (delivered in character) during
Plastic Haircut.

Possibly also Jean Rouch's Jaguar, for which the subjects of the film
(Damouré Zika et al) added an improvised commentary long after filming. I
wouldn't use the term "lying" for this one - more a playful ambiguity about
how much they're pulling the viewers' legs.

See also Buñuel's Land Without Bread.

And Shirley Clarke's Portrait of Jason.


Andy Ditzler
Founder and curator, Film Love: www.filmlove.org
Co-founder, John Q collective: www.johnq.org



On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs 
wrote:

> Hello
>
> Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or
> the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these lines:
>
> 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
>
> 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker lying
> to them. It's left ambiguous.
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Chuck Kleinhans]

The Stories We Tell, Sarah Polley, 2012
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Albert Alcoz]

*David Holzman's Diary* (1967) by Jim McBride

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Rob Gawthrop 
wrote:

> Shirley Clarke "The Connection” 1961
>
> Rob
>
> On 22 Feb 2017, at 01:49, Morgan Hoyle-Combs 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> > Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or
> the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these lines:
> >
> > 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to
> them
> >
> > 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker
> lying to them. It's left ambiguous.
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Rob Gawthrop]

Shirley Clarke "The Connection” 1961

Rob

On 22 Feb 2017, at 01:49, Morgan Hoyle-Combs  wrote:

> Hello
> 
> Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or the 
> main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these lines: 
> 
> 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
> 
> 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker lying to 
> them. It's left ambiguous. 
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[T. Siddle]

Joe Gibbons "Confessions of a Sociopath"

On Feb 21, 2017 5:53 PM, "Morgan Hoyle-Combs"  wrote:

> Hello
>
> Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or
> the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these lines:
>
> 1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
>
> 2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker lying
> to them. It's left ambiguous.
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Peter Mudie]

Mike Snow¹s ŒSo Is This¹

Peter
(Perth)


On 22/02/2017 9:49 am, "FrameWorks on behalf of Morgan Hoyle-Combs"
 wrote:

>Hello
>
>Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a theme or
>the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran among these
>lines: 
>
>1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them
>
>2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker lying
>to them. It's left ambiguous.
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Re: [Frameworks] Lying as a theme

[Pip Chodorov]

Philip Hoffman's  "?O, Zoo!"


At 1:49 + 22/02/17, Morgan Hoyle-Combs wrote:

Hello

Does anyone know of any film (essay/diary/doc) where lying is a 
theme or the main focus? I wondered if there was anything that ran 
among these lines:


1. The audience is well aware that the narrator/filmmaker is lying to them

2. The audience does not know whether or not the narrator/filmmaker 
lying to them. It's left ambiguous.

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