Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound Structural film
Maybe Norman McLaren, Peter kubelka ?? From: Gawthrop, Rob Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 1:09 PM To: Albert Alcoz ; Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound Structural film Guy Sherwin's DVD collection of 'Optical Sound Films' from Lux Phase Loop (1971), Sound Shapes (1972), Cycles 1(1972/1977), Newsprint (1972), At the Academy (1974), Soundtrack (1977), Musical Stairs (1977), Railings (1977), Night Train (1979), Interval (1974), Interval #2 (1974/2007), Notes (1979), Notes #2 (1979/2007), Optical Sound (2007), Spirals (1974), Cross Section #2 (1997/2007). Rob From: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es Reply-To: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, 11 February 2015 08:46 To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] Optical sound – Structural film Hello, Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? Kurt Kren drew a line with ink in his film Trees of Autumn (1960) and Guy Sherwin shot pictures on the variable area of the soundtrack. Those films were collected on the Optical Sound Films (1971-2007) DVD. I thought the soundtrack of Roh Film (1968) by Birgit Wilhelm Hein was done directly from the collage materials attached on the surface of the emulsion but it is not. It was done afterwards, as an autonomous noise piece by Christian Michelis. I'm thinking about films like Dynamo Dresden (1971) by Lis Rhodes or Soundtrack (1969) by Barry Spinello, but they are more abstract animation pieces following the visual music tradition than the structural or systemic patterns. Any suggestion will be appreciated. Thank you very much, Albert Alcoz -- http://visionaryfilm.net/ http://albertalcoz.com/ This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the intended recipient only. If you have received this email in error, please inform us immediately and then delete it. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film
Thank you all very much for those answers, especially Pip Chodorov for
suggesting that awesome film by Steve Farrer.
There's a PhD dissertation by Michel Puetz named Variable Area: Hearing and
Seeing Sound where she analyses some of this issues with films like those
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Not from the 60s or 70s but Rock Ross has a film Psycho Porpoise that fits
the bill.
https://www.fandor.com/films/psycho_porpoise
dk
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Synchromy by Norman McLaren is a great example. He photographed printed cards
that went both on the sound space and the visual space of the film. And check
out all the series of tests he made for similar experiments. You can find them
in the DVD box set of his work.
For more recent work:
-Apollo by Tom Nishikawa is great. He shoots high-contrast pictures on 16mm by
using a 35mm camera to cover the whole 16mm strip with images. He has some
other pinhole films that work on a similar dynamic.
-TB TX Dance by Roger Bebee is also a great piece that ironically synchs visual
sound with image.
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:10:25 -0500
From: nicky.ham...@talktalk.net
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film
Lis Rhodes: Light Music for two projectors facing each other. It's very intense!
Nicky.
-Original Message-
From: Amanda Christie ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca
To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:00
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film
Norman McLaren made several films by animating directly onto the optical
track.There is even a short documentary of him doing this in the film called
Pen Point Percussion where they film him working on a film called DotsYou
can view his work online on the National Film Board website:
https://www.nfb.ca/explore-all-directors/Norman-McLaren/
Is there a reason that you're keeping it to the 60s and 70s?
I can think of other artists, such Richard Reeves, as well as myself, who have
done work directly on optical tracks in the last 20 years.
adc
Amanda Dawn
Christie506-871-2062www.amandadawnchristie.caamanda@amandadawnchristie.ca___
On 2015-02-11, at 7:02 AM, Peter Mudie wrote:
Rarely discussed, but a fantastic film – one of the best from the
LFMC.Peter(Perth)
From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com
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Date: Wednesday, 11 February 2015 6:31 pm
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frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film
There's Ten Drawings by Steve Farrer
(1976)http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings
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Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film
Synchromy by Norman McLaren is a great example. He photographed printed cards that went both on the sound space and the visual space of the film. And check out all the series of tests he made for similar experiments. You can find them in the DVD box set of his work. For more recent work: -Apollo by Tom Nishikawa is great. He shoots high-contrast pictures on 16mm by using a 35mm camera to cover the whole 16mm strip with images. He has some other pinhole films that work on a similar dynamic. -TB TX Dance by Roger Bebee is also a great piece that ironically synchs visual sound with image. To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:10:25 -0500 From: nicky.ham...@talktalk.net Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film Lis Rhodes: Light Music for two projectors facing each other. It's very intense! Nicky. -Original Message- From: Amanda Christie ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:00 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film Norman McLaren made several films by animating directly onto the optical track. There is even a short documentary of him doing this in the film called Pen Point Percussion where they film him working on a film called Dots You can view his work online on the National Film Board website: https://www.nfb.ca/explore-all-directors/Norman-McLaren/ Is there a reason that you're keeping it to the 60s and 70s? I can think of other artists, such Richard Reeves, as well as myself, who have done work directly on optical tracks in the last 20 years. adc Amanda Dawn Christie 506-871-2062 www.amandadawnchristie.ca ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca ___ On 2015-02-11, at 7:02 AM, Peter Mudie wrote: Rarely discussed, but a fantastic film – one of the best from the LFMC. Peter (Perth) From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, 11 February 2015 6:31 pm To: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film There's Ten Drawings by Steve Farrer (1976) http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings At 8:46 + 11/02/15, Albert Alcoz wrote: Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film
Not from the 60s or 70s but Rock Ross has a film Psycho Porpoise that fits the bill. https://www.fandor.com/films/psycho_porpoise dk On Feb 11, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza jorgelore...@hotmail.com wrote: Synchromy by Norman McLaren is a great example. He photographed printed cards that went both on the sound space and the visual space of the film. And check out all the series of tests he made for similar experiments. You can find them in the DVD box set of his work. For more recent work: -Apollo by Tom Nishikawa is great. He shoots high-contrast pictures on 16mm by using a 35mm camera to cover the whole 16mm strip with images. He has some other pinhole films that work on a similar dynamic. -TB TX Dance by Roger Bebee is also a great piece that ironically synchs visual sound with image. To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:10:25 -0500 From: nicky.ham...@talktalk.net Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film Lis Rhodes: Light Music for two projectors facing each other. It's very intense! Nicky. -Original Message- From: Amanda Christie ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:00 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film Norman McLaren made several films by animating directly onto the optical track. There is even a short documentary of him doing this in the film called Pen Point Percussion where they film him working on a film called Dots You can view his work online on the National Film Board website: https://www.nfb.ca/explore-all-directors/Norman-McLaren/ Is there a reason that you're keeping it to the 60s and 70s? I can think of other artists, such Richard Reeves, as well as myself, who have done work directly on optical tracks in the last 20 years. adc Amanda Dawn Christie 506-871-2062 www.amandadawnchristie.ca ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca ___ On 2015-02-11, at 7:02 AM, Peter Mudie wrote: Rarely discussed, but a fantastic film – one of the best from the LFMC. Peter (Perth) From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, 11 February 2015 6:31 pm To: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film There's Ten Drawings by Steve Farrer (1976) http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings At 8:46 + 11/02/15, Albert Alcoz wrote: Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Optical sound – Structural film
Hello, Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? Kurt Kren drew a line with ink in his film Trees of Autumn (1960) and Guy Sherwin shot pictures on the variable area of the soundtrack. Those films were collected on the Optical Sound Films (1971-2007) DVD. I thought the soundtrack of Roh Film (1968) by Birgit Wilhelm Hein was done directly from the collage materials attached on the surface of the emulsion but it is not. It was done afterwards, as an autonomous noise piece by Christian Michelis. I'm thinking about films like Dynamo Dresden (1971) by Lis Rhodes or Soundtrack (1969) by Barry Spinello, but they are more abstract animation pieces following the visual music tradition than the structural or systemic patterns. Any suggestion will be appreciated. Thank you very much, Albert Alcoz-- http://visionaryfilm.net/ http://albertalcoz.com/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film
Rarely discussed, but a fantastic film – one of the best from the LFMC. Peter (Perth) From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.commailto:framewo...@re-voir.com Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, 11 February 2015 6:31 pm To: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.esmailto:albertalc...@yahoo.es, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film There's Ten Drawings by Steve Farrer (1976) http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings At 8:46 + 11/02/15, Albert Alcoz wrote: Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film
There's Ten Drawings by Steve Farrer (1976) http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings At 8:46 + 11/02/15, Albert Alcoz wrote: Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid?___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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I’m really interested on that topic also, but I’m sure that you know more films than me. Lately I found this, but you probably know all these films… http://otherfilm.org/optical-sound/ http://otherfilm.org/optical-sound/ A couple of weeks ago I spend one afternoon looking for optical sound films at vimeo and I found several interesting pieces, but most of them are from the 80s, 90s or even more recent. (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net www.mediateletipos.net De: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es mailto:albertalc...@yahoo.es Para: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Fecha: 11 de febrero de 2015, 9:46:09 CET Responder a: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es mailto:albertalc...@yahoo.es Asunto: [Frameworks] Optical sound – Structural film Hello, Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? Kurt Kren drew a line with ink in his film Trees of Autumn (1960) and Guy Sherwin shot pictures on the variable area of the soundtrack. Those films were collected on the Optical Sound Films (1971-2007) DVD. I thought the soundtrack of Roh Film (1968) by Birgit Wilhelm Hein was done directly from the collage materials attached on the surface of the emulsion but it is not. It was done afterwards, as an autonomous noise piece by Christian Michelis. I'm thinking about films like Dynamo Dresden (1971) by Lis Rhodes or Soundtrack (1969) by Barry Spinello, but they are more abstract animation pieces following the visual music tradition than the structural or systemic patterns. Any suggestion will be appreciated. Thank you very much, Albert Alcoz -- http://visionaryfilm.net/ http://www.visionaryfilm.net/ http://albertalcoz.com/ http://www.albertalcoz.com/ De: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com mailto:framewo...@re-voir.com Para: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es mailto:albertalc...@yahoo.es, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Fecha: 11 de febrero de 2015, 11:31:45 CET Asunto: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film There's Ten Drawings by Steve Farrer (1976) http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings At 8:46 + 11/02/15, Albert Alcoz wrote: Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? De: Peter Mudie peter.mu...@uwa.edu.au mailto:peter.mu...@uwa.edu.au Para: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Fecha: 11 de febrero de 2015, 12:02:09 CET Asunto: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film Rarely discussed, but a fantastic film – one of the best from the LFMC. Peter (Perth) From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com mailto:framewo...@re-voir.com Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, 11 February 2015 6:31 pm To: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es mailto:albertalc...@yahoo.es, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film There's Ten Drawings by Steve Farrer (1976) http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings At 8:46 + 11/02/15, Albert Alcoz wrote: Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film
Norman McLaren made several films by animating directly onto the optical track. There is even a short documentary of him doing this in the film called Pen Point Percussion where they film him working on a film called Dots You can view his work online on the National Film Board website: https://www.nfb.ca/explore-all-directors/Norman-McLaren/ Is there a reason that you're keeping it to the 60s and 70s? I can think of other artists, such Richard Reeves, as well as myself, who have done work directly on optical tracks in the last 20 years. adc Amanda Dawn Christie 506-871-2062 www.amandadawnchristie.ca ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca ___ On 2015-02-11, at 7:02 AM, Peter Mudie wrote: Rarely discussed, but a fantastic film – one of the best from the LFMC. Peter (Perth) From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, 11 February 2015 6:31 pm To: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film There's Ten Drawings by Steve Farrer (1976) http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings At 8:46 + 11/02/15, Albert Alcoz wrote: Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film
Lis Rhodes: Light Music for two projectors facing each other. It's very intense! Nicky. -Original Message- From: Amanda Christie ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:00 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film Norman McLaren made several films by animating directly onto the optical track. There is even a short documentary of him doing this in the film called Pen Point Percussion where they film him working on a film called Dots You can view his work online on the National Film Board website: https://www.nfb.ca/explore-all-directors/Norman-McLaren/ Is there a reason that you're keeping it to the 60s and 70s? I can think of other artists, such Richard Reeves, as well as myself, who have done work directly on optical tracks in the last 20 years. adc Amanda Dawn Christie 506-871-2062 www.amandadawnchristie.ca ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca ___ On 2015-02-11, at 7:02 AM, Peter Mudie wrote: Rarely discussed, but a fantastic film – one of the best from the LFMC. Peter (Perth) From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, 11 February 2015 6:31 pm To: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film There's Ten Drawings by Steve Farrer (1976) http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings At 8:46 + 11/02/15, Albert Alcoz wrote: Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Though earlier than your time period, Oskar Fischinger's Ornament Sound experiments (c. 1932). On CVM's VOD channel on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/26951 More recently, possibly some of Devon Damonte's work, though it's not 60s or 70s. best regards, Cindy Keefer Center for Visual Music (CVM) www.centerforvisualmusic.org CVM email = cvmaccess at gmail.com Forwarded message -- From: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Cc: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:46:09 + (UTC) Subject: [Frameworks] Optical sound – Structural film Hello, Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? Kurt Kren drew a line with ink in his film *Trees of Autumn* (1960) and Guy Sherwin shot pictures on the variable area of the soundtrack. Those films were collected on the *Optical Sound Films *(1971-2007) DVD. I thought the soundtrack of *Roh Film* (1968) by Birgit Wilhelm Hein was done directly from the collage materials attached on the surface of the emulsion but it is not. It was done afterwards, as an autonomous noise piece by Christian Michelis. I'm thinking about films like *Dynamo Dresden* (1971) by Lis Rhodes or *Soundtrack* (1969) by Barry Spinello, but they are more abstract animation pieces following the visual music tradition than the structural or systemic patterns. Any suggestion will be appreciated. Thank you very much, Albert Alcoz -- http://visionaryfilm.net/ http://www.visionaryfilm.net/ http://albertalcoz.com/ http://www.albertalcoz.com/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
