Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[Pip Chodorov]

Dear Gyula Nemes,

Never put film in your checked luggage because the Xray machines are 
much stronger for the hold.
You can see those effects in the film Degradation 1 by James 
Schneider (there are stills on his website: 
http://blog.jamesjune.info/films.html). He put his film successively 
through more and more airports.


Hand luggage scanners are not as strong, but the effect is 
cumulative. When I flew from Paris to interview Brakhage in Victoria, 
I changed planes in New York and Vancouver, going through 
hand-luggage xray six times, and there are visible white dot patterns 
in the dark areas of the image. (Maybe the scanners were stronger in 
2003 just after 9/11, or perhaps it's a bit easier to ask for a hand 
check now.)


Using lead bags doesn't help much because when they can't see what's 
inside, they turn up the xray power to get an image.


The workaround we developed at L'Abominable are stickers for your 
film cans that look just like Kodak labels, but show the film to be 
3200ASA. The airport workers know that their scanners will damage 
such sensitive film so they automatically opt for a hand swipe or 
check. You can bring a changing bag with you so that they can open 
the can in the darkness. Try the sticker attached here: 
EtiketXRAY.pdf.


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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[Christopher Ball]

I did have a bad experience with 35mm Fuji Reala film once (500asa) that
was fogged by an airport x-ray.  I suspect it was a more powerful x-ray
than the regular ones that scan your carry on, because it happened in Air
Canada Cargo while being shipped.  The fogging was quite evident throughout
a significant number of rolls, and it looked like light leaks from opening
a can.  We could not reshoot, but a brilliant VFX person in Halifax worked
on a digital fix for it, (he wrote an algorithm specifically for this fix),
and to this day I am one of the very few people who probably notice
anything.  All I see is very subtle fluctuations in the deepest blacks.

Anyway, the lesson is that the shippers and cargo areas probably use more
lethal xrays than the consumer ones in the normal security lines.

I still have a black lead-lined bag for film at home.  Not sure of the
legality of using those now, if you can even find them.  Maybe do a search
online.

Christopher

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Amanda Thomson <tea.ama...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> A couple of years ago I took a suitcase full of exposed, but unprocessed
> film (from print stock to Tri-X, including the Agfa stock previously
> mentioned) over the Atlantic to Europe as checked luggage where it crossed
> through roughly 8 x-rays before I processed it all at L'Abominable in Paris.
>
> I'm no expert in fogging/image quality and truth be told I did shoot a
> reasonable amount of clouds and smog from forest fires, but the the images
> showed no obvious signs of X-ray fog.  This includes the Agfa 200D which
> was shot in clear conditions.  There was another issue with some of it,
> that I later realized was bromide drag, but that's something else
> altogether (it has to do with agitation).
>
> All this lead me to believe that the fear of passing film through X-rays
> is a bit exaggerated.  But of course this is only my experience...
>
> Amanda
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> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Scott Dorsey <klu...@panix.com>
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:01:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions
> The effect is cumulative.  One pass might not hurt... ten likely will.
> Measure fog density and you'll know, but of course by then it's too late.
> --scott
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: nemes gyula <ne...@absolutfilm.hu>
>> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:57:18 +0100
>> Subject: [Frameworks] 16mm questions
>> Dear celluloid enthusiasts,
>>
>> I'm working on 16mm Bolex, travelling worldwide.
>> Can I ask you some advices?
>>
>> 1.Do you have any experiences in airport x-ray damages? Is x-ray
>> effective or not? Do lead-line bags protect the material or make even more
>> problems with security guards?
>> Airports say it's OK till 400 ISO, Kodak shows the damages caused by
>> x-ray.
>> Do you know any courier without x-ray checking?
>>
>> 2.Do you know any 16mm material produced presently besides Kodak?
>> The only one I know is Foma, a bad quality reversal material for same
>> prize as Kodak.
>>
>> Any advices highly appreciated.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gyula Nemes
>> Hungary
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[Amanda Thomson]

A couple of years ago I took a suitcase full of exposed, but unprocessed
film (from print stock to Tri-X, including the Agfa stock previously
mentioned) over the Atlantic to Europe as checked luggage where it crossed
through roughly 8 x-rays before I processed it all at L'Abominable in Paris.

I'm no expert in fogging/image quality and truth be told I did shoot a
reasonable amount of clouds and smog from forest fires, but the the images
showed no obvious signs of X-ray fog.  This includes the Agfa 200D which
was shot in clear conditions.  There was another issue with some of it,
that I later realized was bromide drag, but that's something else
altogether (it has to do with agitation).

All this lead me to believe that the fear of passing film through X-rays is
a bit exaggerated.  But of course this is only my experience...

Amanda

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-- Forwarded message --
From: Scott Dorsey <klu...@panix.com>
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:01:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions
The effect is cumulative.  One pass might not hurt... ten likely will.
Measure fog density and you'll know, but of course by then it's too late.
--scott


-- Forwarded message --
> From: nemes gyula <ne...@absolutfilm.hu>
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:57:18 +0100
> Subject: [Frameworks] 16mm questions
> Dear celluloid enthusiasts,
>
> I'm working on 16mm Bolex, travelling worldwide.
> Can I ask you some advices?
>
> 1.Do you have any experiences in airport x-ray damages? Is x-ray effective
> or not? Do lead-line bags protect the material or make even more problems
> with security guards?
> Airports say it's OK till 400 ISO, Kodak shows the damages caused by x-ray.
> Do you know any courier without x-ray checking?
>
> 2.Do you know any 16mm material produced presently besides Kodak?
> The only one I know is Foma, a bad quality reversal material for same
> prize as Kodak.
>
> Any advices highly appreciated.
>
> Best,
>
> Gyula Nemes
> Hungary
>
> --
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> Playtime
> Absolut Film Studio
> Budapest 1025 Pusztaszeri út 11-13.
> +36 20 9856277 <+36%2020%20985%206277>
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>
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[nemes gyula]

Thank you so much for your answers, dear friends.
It looks airport x-ray doesn't effect the material that much.
The best price/quality option is still Kodak, and those frozen Fuji
materials which I also use recently.
All the best,

2017-12-18 21:31 GMT+01:00 Sean Weitzel :

> And it's polyester.
>
> On Dec 18, 2017 10:03 AM, "Scott Dorsey"  wrote:
>
>> > Wittner Chrome is also making some colour reversal film, although
>> > overpriced :
>>
>> Actually, that's from the remaining Agfa stock.  It's an Agfa aerial film
>> rebadged.
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[Sean Weitzel]

And it's polyester.

On Dec 18, 2017 10:03 AM, "Scott Dorsey"  wrote:

> > Wittner Chrome is also making some colour reversal film, although
> > overpriced :
>
> Actually, that's from the remaining Agfa stock.  It's an Agfa aerial film
> rebadged.
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[Christopher Ball]

I have quite a bit of unopened frozen Fuji Reala.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:

> I ask for a hand-inspection and I have never had any problems getting a
> hand inspect on film except in Germany.  Travelling within Europe it's
> often a good idea just to ship film ahead by mail.  Mark the packages
> DO NOT X-RAY and you will not have an issue.
>
> Orwo makes excellent B filmstock, and there is some Agfa reversal film
> stock out there which has been discussed here in the past.  Fuji is no
> longer making 16mm film but they stopped recently enough that there is good
> 16mm color negative stock in freezers from Fuji.  Ferrania is talking about
> doing 16mm once they can get their line working properly.
>
> Ilford says they will do HP5 and FP4 in 16mm if they can get a large enough
> order to make it worthwhile.  I don't know how large an order that is, but
> it sounds pretty large.
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[Franco Consales]

I tried to have hand-inspection in the airports of Stansted London and
Palermo but I was not successful. They insisted that everything has to be
scanned. They said that under 800 ASA film shouldn't be affected (I don't
know if it is true or not).
I was travelling with ADOX PAN-X REVERSO SUPER8 (ASA 100) and Ilford Delta
400 35mm and both I don't think have been affected.
Franco

2017-12-18 14:53 GMT+00:00 Scott Dorsey :

> I ask for a hand-inspection and I have never had any problems getting a
> hand inspect on film except in Germany.  Travelling within Europe it's
> often a good idea just to ship film ahead by mail.  Mark the packages
> DO NOT X-RAY and you will not have an issue.
>
> Orwo makes excellent B filmstock, and there is some Agfa reversal film
> stock out there which has been discussed here in the past.  Fuji is no
> longer making 16mm film but they stopped recently enough that there is good
> 16mm color negative stock in freezers from Fuji.  Ferrania is talking about
> doing 16mm once they can get their line working properly.
>
> Ilford says they will do HP5 and FP4 in 16mm if they can get a large enough
> order to make it worthwhile.  I don't know how large an order that is, but
> it sounds pretty large.
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[Esperanza Collado]

Wittner Chrome is also making some colour reversal film, although
overpriced :

http://www.wittnercinetec.com/epages/WittnerCinetec-Super8-16mm-Film.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/WittnerCinetec-Super8-16mm-Film/Categories/%2216mm%20Filme%22


2017-12-18 15:53 GMT+01:00 Scott Dorsey :

> I ask for a hand-inspection and I have never had any problems getting a
> hand inspect on film except in Germany.  Travelling within Europe it's
> often a good idea just to ship film ahead by mail.  Mark the packages
> DO NOT X-RAY and you will not have an issue.
>
> Orwo makes excellent B filmstock, and there is some Agfa reversal film
> stock out there which has been discussed here in the past.  Fuji is no
> longer making 16mm film but they stopped recently enough that there is good
> 16mm color negative stock in freezers from Fuji.  Ferrania is talking about
> doing 16mm once they can get their line working properly.
>
> Ilford says they will do HP5 and FP4 in 16mm if they can get a large enough
> order to make it worthwhile.  I don't know how large an order that is, but
> it sounds pretty large.
> --scott
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[Scott Dorsey]

I ask for a hand-inspection and I have never had any problems getting a
hand inspect on film except in Germany.  Travelling within Europe it's
often a good idea just to ship film ahead by mail.  Mark the packages
DO NOT X-RAY and you will not have an issue.

Orwo makes excellent B filmstock, and there is some Agfa reversal film
stock out there which has been discussed here in the past.  Fuji is no
longer making 16mm film but they stopped recently enough that there is good
16mm color negative stock in freezers from Fuji.  Ferrania is talking about
doing 16mm once they can get their line working properly.

Ilford says they will do HP5 and FP4 in 16mm if they can get a large enough
order to make it worthwhile.  I don't know how large an order that is, but
it sounds pretty large.
--scott
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[Frameworks] 16mm questions

[nemes gyula]

Dear celluloid enthusiasts,

I'm working on 16mm Bolex, travelling worldwide.
Can I ask you some advices?

1.Do you have any experiences in airport x-ray damages? Is x-ray effective
or not? Do lead-line bags protect the material or make even more problems
with security guards?
Airports say it's OK till 400 ISO, Kodak shows the damages caused by x-ray.
Do you know any courier without x-ray checking?

2.Do you know any 16mm material produced presently besides Kodak?
The only one I know is Foma, a bad quality reversal material for same prize
as Kodak.

Any advices highly appreciated.

Best,

Gyula Nemes
Hungary

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