Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[C Keefer]

Re the original request - someone may have already pointed this out, Jane
Conger didn't make films 'distinct' or independent from Jordan Belson -
only two with his assistance.

best regards,
Cindy Keefer
Center for Visual Music
www.centerforvisualmusic.org
www.centerforvisualmusic.org/Belson



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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[Adam Hyman]

The original request was for the opposite:

"Am looking to identify filmmakers who are in relationships with other
filmmakers, or those have been in the past, and where their individual
works are distinct and separate from each other, rather than outright
collaborations (if that makes sense)."



On 2/12/17, 7:51 AM, "Pip Chodorov"  wrote:

>No, Peter and Friedl did not make films together.
>
>I understood the question to be about couples who collaborate, not
>simply couples who are both filmmakers.
>
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>At 15:59 +0100 12/02/17, Anderwald Grond wrote:
>>  Peter Kubelka and Friedl Kubelka/now Friedl vom Groeller
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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[Chris Kennedy]

Ironic that Fred points that the idea of relationship was "understood to
mean sexual, when it doesn't always" and then ends with yet another tale
of that randy ol' genius Hollis Frampton.

It's true that I'm trained as a frameworker to respond quickly to all
frameworks queries in the drinking game style that Chuck lampoons, but
what was interesting about this query and made me respond to it is that
the query raises some interesting questions about parallel artists. How
does cohabitation or romantic attachment (sexual or otherwise) effect very
different people? How does that effect art: Many of the the people listed
have very different styles, some have very similar styles (are these
styles formed post or pre attraction?), some are propelled into a new
creative direction by their courtship. How does that effect reception:
Some of the people listed are overshadowed by their partners, some have
just recently been noticed by history, some have equal recognition, some
gain notice because of the partnership.

How does the couple--in all its forms (trios, too)--negotiate the
selfishness of creation we often say is required by the artist? And most
importantly, how does this list trouble the genius narrative of the
"avant-garde" that often requires the man to run around the circuit,
libido engorged...

Chris


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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[Fred Camper]

i do agree with  Chuck.

These sorts of queries would be much more interesting if we had some 
idea of the reason for them, and how the information is going to be 
used. That might even open up things to a little healthy critiquing.


Plus, the query itself has been widely misunderstood. The original 
question was


"Am looking to identify filmmakers who are in relationships with other 
filmmakers, or those have been in the past, and where their individual 
works are distinct and separate from each other, rather than outright 
collaborations (if that makes sense). This, within the artist's film, 
artist-made film, experimental film genre."


That has been interpreted to mean relationships with any other artist 
who is not a filmmaker, or relationships between collaborating 
filmmakers only, when the original question seems to exclude both.


But I also agree about the arbitrariness of "in relationships with." 
This seems to have been understood to mean sexual, when it doesn't 
always; it seems to have also been understood to mean as a relatively 
exclusive couple, when one could be in a once-a-week non live-in but 
long standing sexual relationship, or in an intense, almost spousal, 
live-in NON sexual relationship.


One could perhaps even argue that the question is itself a little 
offensive, assuming the sexual meaning was intended (as it usually is in 
such contexts), privileging sex over other connections, as if the 
presence of sex generally implies an identifiable difference in a 
relationship. Apparently "liberal" groups such as ours, hyper sensitive 
to the way certain differences do not imply an inequality, too easily 
accept unchallenged assumptions in areas outside the currently 
privileged ones of race, gender, class, orientation.


A few decades ago I was asked to an invitations-only weekend event, 
involving cinema, and was invited to bring my "spouse, or mate , if you 
have one." The organizers heard my protest and agreed to "friend." I 
invited one, who unfortunately declined.


All that said, I wouldn't mind reading a privately-published /Hollywood 
Babylon /of avant-garde cinema. Present at a circa 1980 event like the 
one Chuck describes, in which women were telling what might be called 
"he solicited me stories" about filmmaker X. I once joked about writing 
one myself.  Hollis Frampton was present, and, somewhat drunk, he 
objected, "Hold on there just a minute young man. Hold on there. He 
[naming X] is not the /only/ horny filmmaker on the lecture circuit." I 
replied, "That's OK, Hollis, we'll include you too." and he smiled.


Fred Camper
Chicago


On 2/12/2017 1:13 PM, Chuck Kleinhans wrote:

I've been away for a few days and returned to the list to see this peculiar 
(IMHO) topic.

What does this eagerly responded to question help us understand?
Is the exchange of bodily fluids related to what ends up on the emulsion?
Did people have to cohabit to be on the list?
What about filmmakers notorious for sleeping aground (often with their 
students) such as…oh just read Scott McDonald's, or view some of the films 
of….oops, don't libel the departed.
But what about filmmakers who hooked up with people in the other arts?  Or 
critics/theorists/academics?
Would making this list be a good drinking game?
Actually, I've heard some very funny and blistering comments by women speaking 
among themselves about certain male filmmakers, based on…er…personal knowledge 
that, well, you know…….


Chuck Kleinhans

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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[Chuck Kleinhans]

I've been away for a few days and returned to the list to see this peculiar 
(IMHO) topic.

What does this eagerly responded to question help us understand?
Is the exchange of bodily fluids related to what ends up on the emulsion?
Did people have to cohabit to be on the list?
What about filmmakers notorious for sleeping aground (often with their 
students) such as…oh just read Scott McDonald's, or view some of the films 
of….oops, don't libel the departed.
But what about filmmakers who hooked up with people in the other arts?  Or 
critics/theorists/academics?
Would making this list be a good drinking game?
Actually, I've heard some very funny and blistering comments by women speaking 
among themselves about certain male filmmakers, based on…er…personal knowledge 
that, well, you know…….


Chuck Kleinhans

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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[Pip Chodorov]

No, Peter and Friedl did not make films together.

I understood the question to be about couples who collaborate, not 
simply couples who are both filmmakers.



At 15:59 +0100 12/02/17, Anderwald Grond wrote:

 Peter Kubelka and Friedl Kubelka/now Friedl vom Groeller

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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[Anderwald Grond]

 Peter Kubelka and Friedl Kubelka/now Friedl vom Groeller 
> Am 12.02.2017 um 03:09 schrieb Michael Kemp :
> 
> Ian Hugo and Anais Nin (and anyone else in the immediate area) x
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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"(Peter Conrad Beyer/UndoFilm)

[undofilm]

my suggestion would be

Keitaro Oshima / http://filmfilmfilm.org/   and Maki Satake / http://www.makisatake.com/index.html

 

cheers Peter

 

UndoFilm - Platform For Experimental Moving Image / Cologne
Films distributed by Light Cone / Paris /// Atelier at Opekta / Cologne

 
 

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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[Michael Kemp]

Ian Hugo and Anais Nin (and anyone else in the immediate area) x
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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[Scott MacDonald]

Steve Ascher and Jeanne Jordan
Lucien Castaing-Taylor and Ilisa Barbash (SWEETGRASS)
Lucien Castaing-Taylor and Verena Paravel (LEVIATHAN)
Verena Paravel and J. P. Sniadecki (FOREIGN PARTS)
J. P. Sniadecki and Libbie Cohen (PEOPLE'S PARK)
Stephanie Spray and Pacho Velez (MANAKAMANA)
Claude Nuridsany and Marie Perennou (MICROCOSMOS)
Ricky Leacock and Valerie Lelonde at the end of Ricky's life

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Jeff Kreines  wrote:

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> On Feb 10, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Scott MacDonald 
> wrote:
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> Ed Pincus and Lucia Small
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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[Jeff Kreines]

> On Feb 10, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Scott MacDonald  wrote:
> 
> Ed Pincus and Lucia Small

That would be a surprise to Jane Pincus….  

Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[alena williams]

snow and wieland

> On 11.02.2017, at 08:18, James Hansen  wrote:
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>>3. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (George, Sherman)
>>4. Documentary and Community Media (Visiting Position at The
>>   Evergreen State College) (Ruth Hayes)
>>5. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Albert Alcoz)
>>6. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Andy Ditzler)
>>7. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Pip Chodorov)
>>8. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Blanca García)
>>9. Gianikian&Ricci Lucchi DVDs (Justin Mackenzie)
>>   10. Re: Gianikian&Ricci Lucchi DVDs (analogica festival)
>>   11. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Elena Duque)
>>   12. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Scott MacDonald)
>>   13. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Pip Chodorov)
>>   14. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (John MacKay)
>>   15. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Jonathan Walley)
>>   16. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Rob Gawthrop)
>>   17. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Els van Riel)
>>   18. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Els van Riel)
>>   19. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Gene Youngblood)
>>   20. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Gene Youngblood)
>>   21. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Justin Mackenzie)
>>   22. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Albert Alcoz)
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>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: minou norouzi 
>> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
>> Cc: 
>> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:59:01 +
>> Subject: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"
>> Dear Frameworkers,
>> 
>> I'm doing some research on filmmaking couples and wondered if you could help?
>> 
>> Am looking to identify filmmakers who are in relationships with other 
>> filmmakers, or those have been in the past, and where their individual works 
>> are distinct and separate from each other, rather than outright 
>> collaborations (if that makes sense). This, within the artist's film, 
>> artist-made film, experimental film genre. 
>> The pairings I'm looking to identify need not be heterosexual pairings; very 
>> open to historical suggestions as well. They just both need to have made a 
>> significant number of films of their own.
>> 
>> Look forward to hearing your suggestions - very many thanks in advance!
>> Minou 
>> 
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>> minounorouzi.com
>> sheffieldfringe.com
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>> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:14:15 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"
>> Experimental filmmaker Mary Ellen Bute made films with her husband, Ted 
>> Nemeth, a cinematographer, who also filmed work for other directors. i am 
>> not sure if this is the kind of combination you are looking for. Kit 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: minou norouzi 
>> To: frameworks 
>> Sent: Fri, Feb 10, 2017 11:00 am
>> Subject: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"
>> 
>> Dear Frameworkers,
>> 
>> I'm doing some research on filmmaking couples and wondered if you could help?
>> 
>> Am looking to identify filmmakers who are in relationships with other 
>> filmmakers, or those have been in the past, and where their individual works 
>> are distinct and separate from each other, rather than outright 
>> collaborations (if that makes sense). This, within the artist's film, 
>> artist-made film, experimental film genre. 
>> The pairings I'm looking to identify need not be heterosexual pairings; very 
>> open to historical suggestions as well. They just both need to have made a 
>> significant number of films of their own.
>> 
>> Look forward to hearing your suggestions - very many thanks in advance!
>> Minou 
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[alena williams]

smithson and holt-- in particular, their sculptural work (and some films and 
videos) are distinct but they have collaborated on a couple of films and tapes 
too

müller and girardet are not a couple, but do collaborate quite often on film; 
however they have many distinct works of their own

> On 11.02.2017, at 02:49, Albert Alcoz  wrote:
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> The initial purpose was identifying:
> "filmmakers who are in relationships with other filmmakers (...) where their 
> individual works are distinct and separate from each other"
> 
> Faith and John Hubley wouldn't fit there, but Lynne Sachs and Mark Street 
> would.
> Some of the names mentioned above work together as a team...
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Justin Mackenzie  
>> wrote:
>> Maartje Seyferth and Victor nieuwenhuijs
>> 
>> On 11 Feb 2017, at 01:09, "Gene Youngblood"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Carolee Schneeman and James Tenney.
>>> 
>>> 
 On February 10, 2017 at 4:34:45 PM, Els van Riel (m...@elsvanriel.be) 
 wrote:
 
 Anja Dornieden & Juan David Gonzalez Monroy
 
 
 On 10 Feb 2017, at 22:18, Jonathan Walley  wrote:
 
 Anthony McCall & Carolee Scheemann
 Sandra Gibson & Luis Recoder
 Jordan Belson & Jane Conger Belson Shimane
 Wilhelm & Birgit Hein
 Tony Conrad & Beverly Grant/Conrad
 Ken & Flo Jacobs
 Charles & Ray Eames
 
 
 
 Dr. Jonathan Walley
 Associate Professor and Chair
 Department of Cinema
 Denison University
 wall...@denison.edu
 
 
 
> On Feb 10, 2017, at 3:55 PM, John MacKay  wrote:
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> Vertov and Svilova!
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>> Alexander Alexeieff and Claire Parker
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Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"

[James Hansen]

Erin Espelie and David Gatten
Basma Alsharif and Ben Russell


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>3. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (George, Sherman)
>4. Documentary and Community Media (Visiting Position at The
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>5. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Albert Alcoz)
>6. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Andy Ditzler)
>7. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Pip Chodorov)
>8. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Blanca García)
>9. Gianikian&Ricci Lucchi DVDs (Justin Mackenzie)
>   10. Re: Gianikian&Ricci Lucchi DVDs (analogica festival)
>   11. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Elena Duque)
>   12. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Scott MacDonald)
>   13. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Pip Chodorov)
>   14. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (John MacKay)
>   15. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Jonathan Walley)
>   16. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Rob Gawthrop)
>   17. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Els van Riel)
>   18. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Els van Riel)
>   19. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Gene Youngblood)
>   20. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Gene Youngblood)
>   21. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Justin Mackenzie)
>   22. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Albert Alcoz)
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
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> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:59:01 +
> Subject: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"
> Dear Frameworkers,
>
> I'm doing some research on filmmaking couples and wondered if you could
> help?
>
> Am looking to identify filmmakers who are in relationships with other
> filmmakers, or those have been in the past, and where their individual
> works are distinct and separate from each other, rather than outright
> collaborations (if that makes sense). This, within the artist's film,
> artist-made film, experimental film genre.
> The pairings I'm looking to identify need not be heterosexual pairings;
> very open to historical suggestions as well. They just both need to have
> made a significant number of films of their own.
>
> Look forward to hearing your suggestions - very many thanks in advance!
> Minou
>
>
> minounorouzi.com
> sheffieldfringe.com
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: kitbasq...@aol.com
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:14:15 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"
> Experimental filmmaker Mary Ellen Bute made films with her husband, Ted
> Nemeth, a cinematographer, who also filmed work for other directors. i am
> not sure if this is the kind of combination you are looking for. Kit
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: minou norouzi 
> To: frameworks 
> Sent: Fri, Feb 10, 2017 11:00 am
> Subject: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"
>
> Dear Frameworkers,
>
> I'm doing some research on filmmaking couples and wondered if you could
> help?
>
> Am looking to identify filmmakers who are in relationships with other
> filmmakers, or those have been in the past, and where their individual
> works are distinct and separate from each other, rather than outright
> collaborations (if that makes sense). This, within the artist's film,
> artist-made film, experimental film genre.
> The pairings I'm looking to identify need not be heterosexual pairings;
> very open to historical suggestions as well. They just both need to have
> made a significant number of films of their own.
>
> Look forward to hearing your suggestions - very many thanks in advance!
> Minou
>
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Jennet Thomas and Paul Tarragó 
 
 

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[Dana Duff]

Is it possible that I didn't see Jean-Marie Straub and Danièle Huillet 
on the list?

Or Jean Luc Godard and Anne-Marie Miéville?



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3. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (George, Sherman)
4. Documentary and Community Media (Visiting Position at The
   Evergreen State College) (Ruth Hayes)
5. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Albert Alcoz)
6. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Andy Ditzler)
7. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Pip Chodorov)
8. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Blanca García)
9. Gianikian&Ricci Lucchi DVDs (Justin Mackenzie)
   10. Re: Gianikian&Ricci Lucchi DVDs (analogica festival)
   11. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Elena Duque)
   12. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Scott MacDonald)
   13. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Pip Chodorov)
   14. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (John MacKay)
   15. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Jonathan Walley)
   16. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Rob Gawthrop)
   17. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Els van Riel)
   18. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Els van Riel)
   19. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Gene Youngblood)
   20. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Gene Youngblood)
   21. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Justin Mackenzie)
   22. Re: "Husbands" and "Wives" (Albert Alcoz)


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[Albert Alcoz]

The initial purpose was identifying:
*"filmmakers who are in relationships with other filmmakers (...) where
their individual works are distinct and separate from each other"*

Faith and John Hubley wouldn't fit there, but Lynne Sachs and Mark Street
would.
Some of the names mentioned above work together as a team...



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> Maartje Seyferth and Victor nieuwenhuijs
>
> On 11 Feb 2017, at 01:09, "Gene Youngblood"  wrote:
>
> Carolee Schneeman and James Tenney.
>
>
> On February 10, 2017 at 4:34:45 PM, Els van Riel (m...@elsvanriel.be)
> wrote:
>
> Anja Dornieden & Juan David Gonzalez Monroy
>
> On 10 Feb 2017, at 22:18, Jonathan Walley  wrote:
>
> Anthony McCall & Carolee Scheemann
> Sandra Gibson & Luis Recoder
> Jordan Belson & Jane Conger Belson Shimane
> Wilhelm & Birgit Hein
> Tony Conrad & Beverly Grant/Conrad
> Ken & Flo Jacobs
> Charles & Ray Eames
>
>
>
> Dr. Jonathan Walley
> Associate Professor and Chair
> Department of Cinema
> Denison University
> wall...@denison.edu
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2017, at 3:55 PM, John MacKay  wrote:
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> Vertov and Svilova!
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[Justin Mackenzie]

Maartje Seyferth and Victor nieuwenhuijs

On 11 Feb 2017, at 01:09, "Gene Youngblood" 
mailto:ato...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Carolee Schneeman and James Tenney.



On February 10, 2017 at 4:34:45 PM, Els van Riel 
(m...@elsvanriel.be) wrote:

Anja Dornieden & Juan David Gonzalez Monroy

On 10 Feb 2017, at 22:18, Jonathan Walley 
mailto:wall...@denison.edu>> wrote:

Anthony McCall & Carolee Scheemann
Sandra Gibson & Luis Recoder
Jordan Belson & Jane Conger Belson Shimane
Wilhelm & Birgit Hein
Tony Conrad & Beverly Grant/Conrad
Ken & Flo Jacobs
Charles & Ray Eames



Dr. Jonathan Walley
Associate Professor and Chair
Department of Cinema
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wall...@denison.edu



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mailto:johnmacka...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Vertov and Svilova!

Sent from my iPhone

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Sorry I forgot
Alexander Alexeieff and Claire Parker
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[Gene Youngblood]

Carolee Schneeman and James Tenney.


On February 10, 2017 at 4:34:45 PM, Els van Riel (m...@elsvanriel.be) wrote:

Anja Dornieden & Juan David Gonzalez Monroy


On 10 Feb 2017, at 22:18, Jonathan Walley  wrote:

Anthony McCall & Carolee Scheemann
Sandra Gibson & Luis Recoder
Jordan Belson & Jane Conger Belson Shimane
Wilhelm & Birgit Hein
Tony Conrad & Beverly Grant/Conrad
Ken & Flo Jacobs
Charles & Ray Eames



Dr. Jonathan Walley
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Department of Cinema
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wall...@denison.edu



On Feb 10, 2017, at 3:55 PM, John MacKay  wrote:

Vertov and Svilova!

Sent from my iPhone

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Sorry I forgot
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[Gene Youngblood]

Yervant Gianikian and Angela Ricci Lucchi
James Broughton and Joel Singer
Matthias Muller and Christoph Giradet (I don’t know if they’re a couple)

The number of couples making post-analog video is probably infinite, for 
obvious reasons (social, cultural, economic), but Steina and Woody Vasulka must 
surely count among the great pioneers of the electronic moving image. 

And I always thought “By Brakhage” should in many cases have been “By Brakhage 
and Wodening."


On February 10, 2017 at 4:34:45 PM, Els van Riel (m...@elsvanriel.be) wrote:

Anja Dornieden & Juan David Gonzalez Monroy


On 10 Feb 2017, at 22:18, Jonathan Walley  wrote:

Anthony McCall & Carolee Scheemann
Sandra Gibson & Luis Recoder
Jordan Belson & Jane Conger Belson Shimane
Wilhelm & Birgit Hein
Tony Conrad & Beverly Grant/Conrad
Ken & Flo Jacobs
Charles & Ray Eames



Dr. Jonathan Walley
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Department of Cinema
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wall...@denison.edu



On Feb 10, 2017, at 3:55 PM, John MacKay  wrote:

Vertov and Svilova!

Sent from my iPhone

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Sorry I forgot
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[Els van Riel]

Sorry, scrolling down, I read the original question only after seeing the 
couple's lists.

Anja and Juan do make their films together

els

On 11 Feb 2017, at 00:32, Els van Riel  wrote:

Anja Dornieden & Juan David Gonzalez Monroy


On 10 Feb 2017, at 22:18, Jonathan Walley mailto:wall...@denison.edu>> wrote:

Anthony McCall & Carolee Scheemann
Sandra Gibson & Luis Recoder
Jordan Belson & Jane Conger Belson Shimane
Wilhelm & Birgit Hein
Tony Conrad & Beverly Grant/Conrad
Ken & Flo Jacobs
Charles & Ray Eames 



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> Vertov and Svilova!
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[Els van Riel]

Anja Dornieden & Juan David Gonzalez Monroy


On 10 Feb 2017, at 22:18, Jonathan Walley  wrote:

Anthony McCall & Carolee Scheemann
Sandra Gibson & Luis Recoder
Jordan Belson & Jane Conger Belson Shimane
Wilhelm & Birgit Hein
Tony Conrad & Beverly Grant/Conrad
Ken & Flo Jacobs
Charles & Ray Eames 



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Department of Cinema
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wall...@denison.edu



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> Vertov and Svilova!
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[Rob Gawthrop]

Myself & Jo Millett:
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Field Recordings: Goonhilly SD Video 2012
RootedOut 2 X 16mm live, sound 2017 (in progress) for ReRooted Hull17 (March 
25th 2017)

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On 10 Feb 2017, at 15:59, minou norouzi  wrote:

> Dear Frameworkers,
> 
> I'm doing some research on filmmaking couples and wondered if you could help?
> 
> Am looking to identify filmmakers who are in relationships with other 
> filmmakers, or those have been in the past, and where their individual works 
> are distinct and separate from each other, rather than outright 
> collaborations (if that makes sense). This, within the artist's film, 
> artist-made film, experimental film genre. 
> The pairings I'm looking to identify need not be heterosexual pairings; very 
> open to historical suggestions as well. They just both need to have made a 
> significant number of films of their own.
> 
> Look forward to hearing your suggestions - very many thanks in advance!
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Anthony McCall & Carolee Scheemann
Sandra Gibson & Luis Recoder
Jordan Belson & Jane Conger Belson Shimane
Wilhelm & Birgit Hein
Tony Conrad & Beverly Grant/Conrad
Ken & Flo Jacobs
Charles & Ray Eames 



Dr. Jonathan Walley
Associate Professor and Chair
Department of Cinema
Denison University
wall...@denison.edu



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> 
> Vertov and Svilova!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Vertov and Svilova!

Sent from my iPhone

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Sorry I forgot
Alexander Alexeieff and Claire Parker
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Claude Nuridsany and Marie Perennou (MICROCOSMOS)
Steve Ascher and Jeanne Jordan
Lucien Castaing-Taylor and Ilisa Barbash (SWEETGRASS)
Lucien Castaing-Taylor and Verena Paravel (LEVIATHAN)
Stephanie Spray and Pacho Velez (MANAKAMANA)
J. P. Sniadecki and Verena Paravel (FOREIGN PARTS)
J. P. Sniadecki and Libbie Chon (PEOPLE'S PARK)
Ed Pincus and Lucia Small

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Elena Duque  wrote:

> Peter Tscherkassky and Eve Heller
> Lewis Klahr and Janie Geiser
> Joyce Wieland and Michael Snow
>
> 2017-02-10 19:36 GMT+01:00 Blanca García :
>
>> — Maria Klonaris and Katerina Thomadaki (they both did films on their
>> own, apart from their work together)
>> — Sandra Lahire and Sarah Pucill
>> — Gregory J. Markopoulos and Robert Beavers + nowadays Beavers and Ute
>> Aurand
>>
>> These are the first that come to my mind. For sure I forget many others
>> (queer and not!)
>>
>>
>> 2017-02-10 19:23 GMT+01:00 Pip Chodorov :
>>
>>> Maya Deren and Alexander Hammid
>>>
>>> Birgit and Wilhelm Hein
>>>
>>> Patrick and Michèle Bokanowski
>>>
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Peter Tscherkassky and Eve Heller
Lewis Klahr and Janie Geiser
Joyce Wieland and Michael Snow

2017-02-10 19:36 GMT+01:00 Blanca García :

> — Maria Klonaris and Katerina Thomadaki (they both did films on their own,
> apart from their work together)
> — Sandra Lahire and Sarah Pucill
> — Gregory J. Markopoulos and Robert Beavers + nowadays Beavers and Ute
> Aurand
>
> These are the first that come to my mind. For sure I forget many others
> (queer and not!)
>
>
> 2017-02-10 19:23 GMT+01:00 Pip Chodorov :
>
>> Maya Deren and Alexander Hammid
>>
>> Birgit and Wilhelm Hein
>>
>> Patrick and Michèle Bokanowski
>>
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[Blanca García]

— Maria Klonaris and Katerina Thomadaki (they both did films on their own,
apart from their work together)
— Sandra Lahire and Sarah Pucill
— Gregory J. Markopoulos and Robert Beavers + nowadays Beavers and Ute
Aurand

These are the first that come to my mind. For sure I forget many others
(queer and not!)


2017-02-10 19:23 GMT+01:00 Pip Chodorov :

> Maya Deren and Alexander Hammid
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Maya Deren and Alexander Hammid

Birgit and Wilhelm Hein

Patrick and Michèle Bokanowski

Lucille Ball and Desi Arnas
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[Andy Ditzler]

Willard Maas and Marie Menken


Andy Ditzler
Founder and curator, Film Love: www.filmlove.org
Co-founder, John Q collective: www.johnq.org


On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:59 AM, minou norouzi 
wrote:

> Dear Frameworkers,
>
> I'm doing some research on filmmaking couples and wondered if you could
> help?
>
> Am looking to identify filmmakers who are in relationships with other
> filmmakers, or those have been in the past, and where their individual
> works are distinct and separate from each other, rather than outright
> collaborations (if that makes sense). This, within the artist's film,
> artist-made film, experimental film genre.
> The pairings I'm looking to identify need not be heterosexual pairings;
> very open to historical suggestions as well. They just both need to have
> made a significant number of films of their own.
>
> Look forward to hearing your suggestions - very many thanks in advance!
> Minou
>
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[Albert Alcoz]

Marie Menken and Willard Mass?

Werner Nekes and Dore O.?

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:27 PM, George, Sherman  wrote:

> Joel DeMott and Jeff Kreines “ Seventeen” and others.
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2017, at 7:59 AM, minou norouzi 
> wrote:
>
> Dear Frameworkers,
>
> I'm doing some research on filmmaking couples and wondered if you could
> help?
>
> Am looking to identify filmmakers who are in relationships with other
> filmmakers, or those have been in the past, and where their individual
> works are distinct and separate from each other, rather than outright
> collaborations (if that makes sense). This, within the artist's film,
> artist-made film, experimental film genre.
> The pairings I'm looking to identify need not be heterosexual pairings;
> very open to historical suggestions as well. They just both need to have
> made a significant number of films of their own.
>
> Look forward to hearing your suggestions - very many thanks in advance!
> Minou
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[George, Sherman]

Joel DeMott and Jeff Kreines “ Seventeen” and others.


On Feb 10, 2017, at 7:59 AM, minou norouzi 
mailto:minou.noro...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Frameworkers,

I'm doing some research on filmmaking couples and wondered if you could help?

Am looking to identify filmmakers who are in relationships with other 
filmmakers, or those have been in the past, and where their individual works 
are distinct and separate from each other, rather than outright collaborations 
(if that makes sense). This, within the artist's film, artist-made film, 
experimental film genre.
The pairings I'm looking to identify need not be heterosexual pairings; very 
open to historical suggestions as well. They just both need to have made a 
significant number of films of their own.

Look forward to hearing your suggestions - very many thanks in advance!
Minou


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[kitbasquin]

Experimental filmmaker Mary Ellen Bute made films with her husband, Ted Nemeth, 
a cinematographer, who also filmed work for other directors. i am not sure if 
this is the kind of combination you are looking for. Kit 



-Original Message-
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Subject: [Frameworks] "Husbands" and "Wives"





Dear Frameworkers,


I'm doing some research on filmmaking couples and wondered if you could help?

Am looking to identify filmmakers who are in relationships with other 
filmmakers, or those have been in the past, and where their individual works 
are distinct and separate from each other, rather than outright collaborations 
(if that makes sense). This, within the artist's film, artist-made film, 
experimental film genre. 

The pairings I'm looking to identify need not be heterosexual pairings; very 
open to historical suggestions as well. They just both need to have made a 
significant number of films of their own.

Look forward to hearing your suggestions - very many thanks in advance!

Minou 







minounorouzi.com

sheffieldfringe.com






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