Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Noah O'Donoghue
Android apps that you purchase will work on products from Google (Nexus), Samsung, HTC, LG, and other companies. iOS apps that you purchase will only work on products from Apple. I think this only tells part of the story - You are still being locked in to google ecosystem, (to access

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Ben Finney
Noah O'Donoghue noah.odonog...@gmail.com writes: You are [by deploying Android tablets in a public school] still being locked in to google ecosystem, (to access Google Play) The advantage of Android, as contrasted with iOS, is that it's quite straightforward to never use Google Play, and there

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Noah O'Donoghue
On 19 December 2014 at 10:24, Ben Finney ben+freesoftw...@benfinney.id.au wrote: The advantage of Android, as contrasted with iOS, is that it's quite straightforward to never use Google Play, and there are plenty of apps available from non-Google app stores. Ben, it sure doesn't seem that

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Noah O'Donoghue
On 19 December 2014 at 10:44, Andrew Pam xa...@sericyb.com.au wrote: Or install Cyanogenmod. Cheers, Andrew I had to do that for a friend on his HTC.. It involved downgrading the firmware to one that was vulnerable to a boot rom exploit, exploiting the boot rom, patching recovery,

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Noah O'Donoghue
The advantage of Android, as contrasted with iOS, is that it's quite straightforward to never use Google Play, and there are plenty of apps available from non-Google app stores. On 19 December 2014 at 10:51, Ben Finney ben+freesoftw...@benfinney.id.au wrote: What in particular are you

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Tony Morris
Has it been established, with regard to the goals, that it is reasonable to talk about iOS versus Android? For example, my children use archlinux at a school that requires mandatory Apple or Windows [because we give you the choice!] They are able to do this after I engaged in some negotiation

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Andrew Roffey
Android apps that you purchase will work on products from Google (Nexus), Samsung, HTC, LG, and other companies. iOS apps that you purchase will only work on products from Apple. I think this only tells part of the story - You are still being locked in to google ecosystem, (to access

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Noah O'Donoghue
On 19 December 2014 at 10:59, Tony Morris tmor...@tmorris.net wrote: Has it been established, with regard to the goals, that it is reasonable to talk about iOS versus Android? For example, my children use archlinux at a school that requires mandatory Apple or Windows [because we give you the

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Fraser Tweedale
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:08:51AM +1100, Noah O'Donoghue wrote: On 19 December 2014 at 10:59, Tony Morris tmor...@tmorris.net wrote: Has it been established, with regard to the goals, that it is reasonable to talk about iOS versus Android? For example, my children use archlinux at a

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Adam Bolte
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:35:01AM +1100, Noah O'Donoghue wrote: On 19 December 2014 at 10:24, Ben Finney ben+freesoftw...@benfinney.id.au wrote: The advantage of Android, as contrasted with iOS, is that it's quite straightforward to never use Google Play, and there are plenty of apps

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Noah O'Donoghue
On 19 December 2014 at 11:26, Adam Bolte abo...@systemsaviour.com wrote: You both seem to be talking about two different things. Ben was saying that you can run whatever app store you want - you are not forced to use Google. This is absolutely true. On my Sony Xperia Z1 Ultra phablet running

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Adam Bolte
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:53:55AM +1100, Noah O'Donoghue wrote: I think the main part of my argument was that there is vendor lock in on any platform. Google has less, but it's more of a technicality in the frame of the larger argument which was tablets in school environments. Because it's a

Re: [free-software-melb] Mandatory ipads in schools

2014-12-18 Thread Martin Ebourne
On Thu, 2014-12-18 at 12:13 +1100, Noah O'Donoghue wrote: I've been on conferences where teachers talk for days about all the apps they are using in their classroom and the ways they are using them for educational outcomes. There are just so many apps available. Here's a link to multiple pages