That is so cool it's unbelievable!
Ted
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From: "Robert Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: Explaining Free
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
And I can tell you that absolutely nothing that I have EVER read here or on
USENET has EVER held a candle to the power and majesty of the flames I used
to read a decade ago the old WWIV network. (that software is available
http://wwiv.sourceforge.
On Thu(23)/Jun/05 - , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:
> "Andrew L. Gould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Thursday 23 June 2005 12:16 pm, Johnson David wrote:
> > > If by "works", you mean people leave the community, then you are
> > > correct. We all know what "F" in "RTFM" means. While we may not s
"Andrew L. Gould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thursday 23 June 2005 12:16 pm, Johnson David wrote:
> > If by "works", you mean people leave the community, then you are
> > correct. We all know what "F" in "RTFM" means. While we may not say
> > it with those words anymore, we still often say it
On Thursday 23 June 2005 12:16 pm, Johnson David wrote:
> From: cali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > The idea is, the newbie gets repeatedly told "RTFM", so that
> > eventually they get the idea that they must work it out for
> > themselves because they develop this inner fear of asking for help
>
From: cali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> The idea is, the newbie gets repeatedly told "RTFM", so that eventually
> they get the idea that they must work it out for themselves because they
> develop this inner fear of asking for help and being ridiculed, ie they
> don't want to portray themselves as
Ah, but help on who's terms? Telling a newbie to RTFM for an answer that
he asks which is in the manual IS help.
Yes, it is help. But how dumb does a person have to be if this is of real
help?
If they were like ultra-newbie, they might not even know how to access the
manual, but this is impro
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Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
_I_ don't. Who does?
Some do a logo contest to make FreeBSD more appearing, there is some
activity going in.
Most of the rank and file argued long against that contest.
Not only them.
Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a
drivers license?
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>From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:05 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
>
>>>
>> _I_
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Tone is in the eye of the beholder. Sure, posts all contain a tone
to them. But very little posted on this mailing list has been
anywhere near as harsh as what you see sometimes on Usenet in the
FreeBSD groups there.
I did not say this a
>-Original Message-
>From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:36 PM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Ted M
Hi,
Andrew L. Gould wrote:
On Wednesday 22 June 2005 10:35 pm, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
/--big snip--/
That was a good idea.
That's a great analogy; but I disagree with the way you've applied it.
Yes, the hunters and farmers shared the food. That's not to say that
the farmers wanted
On Wednesday 22 June 2005 10:35 pm, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
/--big snip--/
>
> Let me put it this way. A long time ago, we call it now stone age,
> the people started to realise that a group of people shows better
> results if they specialise. The people better in hunting went
> hunting, the p
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
I do not think that it the design of Windows which makes it target. It
is the kind of support people with no knowledge get which makes it.
People pay for Windows, not for FreeBSD. The support structures are
totally different because of this. If support is what
On 2005-06-22 11:09, Warren Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ted Mittelstaedt said:
>> The 4a users, by contrast, may be attracted to Linux initially due
>> to the ease-of-entry issue your bringing up. But they try it and
>> find out that it's dumbed-down interface gets in the way just as
>> much
From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sadly, your attitude is one of the reasons that the United States is
> being
> run into the ground by a bunch of religious conservatives these days.
> Those
> people are just like you - they don't want to know anything about Stem
> Cell
> researc
Andrew L. Gould wrote:
On Monday 20 June 2005 07:37 pm, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote:
Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
*snip*
FreeBSD is a typical system driven by technical people.
Clearly its weakest point.
Once again, that depends on your audience. If you ask me, its one
of FreeBSD's strong
From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Now maybe PCBSD is going to have an independent future in it's own
> right, if so more power to it. But how will that help FreeBSD?
It can help FreeBSD by providing features and functionality that FreeBSD can
use. It's in the unique position of
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:36:48 +0800
Erich Dollansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Vulpes Velox wrote:
>
> > Ignorant useless users should be supported by commercial ventures,
> > not community ones. They will just drag the community down with
> > their weight if they don't help out.
> >
>
Ted Mittelstaedt said:
>>I agree that these 3 groups exist and that FreeBSD is probably not
>>appropriate for those in group #3. However, I think there is another
>>group that is not represented here. That would be those that are not in
>>group #3 because they DO care about understanding how thin
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>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:37 PM
>To: Vulpes Velox
>Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Vulpes Velox w
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>From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:57 PM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
>
>
>I do not think that it
>-Original Message-
>From: Warren Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:17 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Explaining FreeBSD features
>
>
>Ted Mittelstaedt said:
>> FreeBSD is ta
Hi,
Vulpes Velox wrote:
Ignorant useless users should be supported by commercial ventures,
not community ones. They will just drag the community down with their
weight if they don't help out.
This would be the real tough one.
There should also be a way to write some kind of descripton for th
12:56 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
> >
> >
> >
> >Hello.
> >
> >Thank you all for everything so far.
> >
> >But I am not looking for comparisons.
> >
> >I am looking for
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Let's say this:
Multi-threaded SMP architecture capable of executing the kernel
in parallel on multiple processors, and with kernel preemption,
allowing high priority kernel tasks to preempt other kernel
activity, reducing latency. This includes a multi-threade
>-Original Message-
>From: Liam J. Foy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:38 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
>
>
>> Fafa, I've seen these kinds
On Mon(20)/Jun/05 - , Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> I am curious why it's so difficult to get a simple and straight
> forward list of FreeBSD's features, that normal people can understand?
>
> I am trying to write one of the largest articles ever to be published
> on www.PCWorld.no --
> Fafa, I've seen these kinds of efforts before and they are all
> generally doomed to failure.
>
> You see, the problem is that FreeBSD is not a general computer
> operating system product. It is a very specific product in fact.
>
> Now, the USES that FreeBSD can be put to are VERY general. BU
From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> You see, the problem is that FreeBSD is not a general computer
> operating system product. It is a very specific product in fact.
I have to take exception to this, and your amplification of it later on.
FreeBSD is a very general operating syste
Ted Mittelstaedt said:
> FreeBSD is targeted at 2 main groups of people:
>
> 1) Very knowledgeable people who are using it for personal, or
> in-house corporate projects.
>
> 2) Very knowledgeable people who are using it to construct
> turnkey systems for customers who couldn't care less what is
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fafa Hafiz
>Krantz
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:56 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
>
>
>
>Hello.
>
>Thank you
Hi,
Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
This sounds good. How much time is left for you to write it?
A couple of weeks :)
So I have a lot of time to do research.
You could subscribe to more technical lists to see how help is done and
what kind of problems people face with a none-technical background.
On Monday 20 June 2005 07:37 pm, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote:
> Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
> *snip*
>
> >>FreeBSD is a typical system driven by technical people.
> >
> > Clearly its weakest point.
>
> Once again, that depends on your audience. If you ask me, its one
> of FreeBSD's strongest points
Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
*snip*
FreeBSD is a typical system driven by technical people.
Clearly its weakest point.
Once again, that depends on your audience. If you ask me, its one
of FreeBSD's strongest points.
Im one of those "technical people", and the main reason I like
BSD is that its
Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
I know some people who were to afraid to move to FreeBSD as they
believed installing from source is equal to being a programmer.
Yeah I know a lot of people like that :)
For those people, the pcbsd project www.pcbsd.org might be an option. I
didn't try it myself (y
> This sounds good. How much time is left for you to write it?
A couple of weeks :)
So I have a lot of time to do research.
> FreeBSD is a typical system driven by technical people.
Clearly its weakest point.
> Or, as I describe it for myself, if I would know marketing,
> I would not write so
Hi,
Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
I am curious why it's so difficult to get a simple and straight
forward list of FreeBSD's features, that normal people can understand?
There is no real answer to this question.
I am trying to write one of the largest articles ever to be published
on www.PCWorld.
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